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- natemc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4ziks, it was called Firewire before it was called IEEE 1394
http://www.1394ta.org/Technology/About/faq.htm - tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wil_Brim you couldn't be more wrong. Apple is responsible for the development of the spec that led to the IEEE 1394 standard in 1995.
http://www.faculty.iu-bremen.de/birk/lectures/PC101-2003/13firewire/history.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394
http://firewirestuff.com/whatis.html
Apple's development of this technology dates back to as far as 1988. Who, Along with IBM was searching for a much faster and more affordable solution to SCSI. Read here for more information.
http://www.ieee802.org/802_tutorials/july04/1394HistoryAndMarket.pdf
Sony is responsible for developing the 4 pin connector used in most digital video cameras. Apple does not recommend this 4 pin connector simply because of the fact that the mechanisms that are used to ensure a good connection around the pins are housed in the camera and not in the actual connector(the 6 pin has all the mechanisms inside the connector). Another advantage over the 4 pin is that the 6 pin has the ability to carry power across the line.
Also, In 2001, the IEEE group adopted Apple's Trademark and logo for the IEEE 1394 standard:
http://www.1394ta.org/Press/2002Press/may/5.29.a.htm
So basically, IEEE 1394 *is* FireWire.
Simple Google search pulled up all the information... You get a glue. - tarouszars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Taking firewire out of the iPods made sense. All new Macs and PC's have USB. Why ship 2 cables when 1 will do.
Taking firewire out of Macs makes no sense. Take out firewire and say goodbye to iLife. Every digital camcorder uses firewire.
Sure its a rumor, someone said it, and others have spread it, that's a rumor. A dumb one, that I can't believe, but a rumor none the less. - Skibop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3RE: USB 2.0 is still far superior.
uhm....your kidding right ? Firewire leaves USB in the dust. - Bootes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2An analyst saying that he thinks that new iBooks won't have firewire is not a rumor. It's even less credibly than a rumor. It's just some guy that is guessing what Apple will do.
- MilenkoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2FireWire rocks.... My FireWire external HDD smokes my USB 2.0 drive. I don't understand why FireWire hasn't taken off...
- monsy68, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.usb-ware.com/firewire-vs-usb.htm
get a clue... - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2RE: Why hasn't firewire taken off?
I think it has to do with the fact that USB 1.x became so ubiquitous on the everyday peripherals - stuff that Firewire is overkill for. Therefore, when USB 2.0 came out, people were inherently more comfortable going with that rather than something they had no prior use for unless they were digitizing video (OK, iPods too).
Brand recognition is a powerful thing. Given a choice, average consumers will pick USB 2.0 equipment over Firewire simply because they don't know or understand the advantages/disadvantages of USB 2.0 vs. Firewire. - soopafly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1...this is a good nod BTW
- tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1clue*
dammit.. We need to be able to edit comments. - CowboyBebop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But isn't Apple slowly phasing firewire out? I know there hasn't been anything official on the matter, but they've been weeding it out with every new hardware announcement in some fashion or another.
- leomyhero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1check out the wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Definition_Audio-Video_Network_Alliance - RayMetz100, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This article has nothing to do with Apple Firewire. It looks to me like it's an alliance to extract maximum profits out of HD video consumers.
- adam.lindsay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would be shocked if Firewire was removed from the Macintosh line. Removing from the iPod line made sense. If for no better reason then the question of, "why can my video ipod, not play video via my firewire cable to my tv, which has firewire". Ah enter in a whole slew of issues.
However, how many DV Cams have firewire? Um all of them. Think apple is going to ditch support for this? Ha ha, doubt it. - jasondefaoite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I thought the rumour was Apple would be killing off firewire in the Intel iBooks. We know it's gone from the 5th gen iPods... Will be interesting to see the configuration of those iBooks next month
- ziks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't really see that this has anything to do with Apple at all. They didn't invent the interface. All they did was rename it from the rather stodgy "IEEE 1394" to the flashy "Firewire". Digital camcorders have used IEEE 1394 since they've existed so it's no surprise that they'd continue to use it in HD. And all this is independent of Apple.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I love firewire.
- Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Apple killing off Firewire would seriously damage its Final Cut Pro market, as they would have a lot of angry producer/directors on their hands with multi-thousand-dollar cameras that can't be retrofitted for USB 2.0. You would end up having to buy a PCIe card just for Firewire support, which opens another can of worms since the G5s only have 3 open slots, a perennial gripe with high-end professionals who find having only 3 to be a bit stifling in the first place. Even though technology is developing to the point that it seems to obviate the need for 5-slot systems, power users' constant demand for more power is still finding ways to fill those slots and then some.
My recent upgrade to a G5 became that much more expensive when I realized that my internal hard drive mounting options were so incredibly limited that I'd either have to buy an external case and ATA card to support my current drives or buy a brand-new larger internal to cover my storage requirements. - brewer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah, my new 1080i HD video camera uses Sony's "iLink" (aka IEEE 1394).
- monsy68, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0heh, it seems some folks here thinks USB 2.0 is everything.
- funkytaco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0USB 2.0 is superior over Fire Wire (if you like growing old copying data)
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"So FireWire is better... okkkkkkay. Now please find me these with FireWire:
ThumbDrives
Coffee Warmer
Laptop Lamp
Speakers
Scanner (with no power cord)
Digital Camera
Humidifier
Everyday Printers
MiniAquarium
Keyboard
Mice
Cellphone Charger
Pulsing X-Mas Tree
7-in-1 Card Reader
Mini Lava Lamp
Vacuum Cleaner
When you get atleast 12 of these items listed available with FireWire... wake me up. Otherwise, STFU Apple Fanboys."
you do realize you have lost all credibility with some of those items you've listed - 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1APPLE ISN'T KILLING OFF FIREWIRE!
Please forgive my screaming but I really think this rumor has to be axed. I'm not at all surprised to see Apple remove Firewire from iPods (where space is at a premium) and I won't be surprised if Apple removes Firewire from their entry level iBooks (where costs must be trimmed to the bone). But I feel confident that the higher end Macs and the PowerBooks will continue to come equipped with Firewire. - deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Taking firewire out of Macs makes no sense. Take out firewire and say goodbye to iLife. Every digital camcorder uses firewire."
I believe that Apple will still use Firewire 800 on its pro gear, and likely will relegate it's entry level machines to USB2. - pgm_01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What is with the PC fanboys? I don't even own a Mac and I know that Firewire is faster. I really don't care what interface HDTV content uses as long as the connection has enough bandwidth to support HD now and in the future, and just as important that the connection does not limit my ability to hook up devices (no broadcast flag content restriction nonsense).
- sunyata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0maybe you should make an amendment to the wikipedia entry regarding the history of IEEE1394?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE1394 - BlueStarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^^^That's because they're MS lemmings.
FireWire 800 eats your children for breakfast. - cpawl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I love the PC people arguement about USB 2.0 is faster than firewire. I often trade files with a PC head who has a dual external drive (firewire / USB 2.0) and for geeky fun we had time the data transfer of both. Not only did firewire win... the supposed slower technology - it was almost 15 minutes faster transferring 80GB of data.
USB 2.0 is popular because PC companies do not have to pay royalties on it like the did (do) firewire.
To me, a platform that installed floppy drives up until a year ago... I am not surprised at all with it's choices. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Port gaurenteed to be on every computer?
USB.
Arguement completed. - kardi412, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What is with the Fire Wire, we should just be waiting on the Ultra Wide Band. Once that stuff hits the market , it's going to be a world without wires
- tyba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Will Sony i.LINK ports work with HD inputs? I'm under the impression they'll only worked with compressed video. I've been thinking about getting a XBR960 that has like 3 i.LINK ports... if i could use the i.LINK ports to hook a DVD player and a PS3, and keep the HDMI port for use with a cable box, I'd be stoked.
- bjdraw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is a great announcement but what happened to HAVi? If you haven't heard of it, they made the same promises as HANA and I have a TV that supports it and the feature is useless. I just want to know what they are going to do differently this time around.
- Bitgod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0USB2 is only faster on paper. In reality, the overhead makes USB2 slower, plus USB2 uses more CPU, at least when I tested FW vs USB on my 3rd gen ipod.
- cybernezumi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First get straight which versions of the two you're talking about. USB 2.0 is on par with Firewire 400. Firewire 800 thus does smoke USB. Second, USB has a slight edge in burst speed, but it can't sustain it. Firewire 400 beats it in the long run. Thirdly, Firewire guarantees its rate -- which is why its used for video instead of USB. You can keep your USB toys, I'd rather have something that gets the job done.
- lostngone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What a clueless twit
Coffee Warmer
Laptop Lamp
Humidifier
MiniAquarium
Pulsing X-Mas Tree
Mini Lava Lamp
Vacuum Cleaner
Cellphone Charger
These use the power from the usb port. Hell if you wanted I could get them to run off the parallel port if you wanted. And yes I could get them to work on a 1394. I can't figure out why though?!? - monsy68, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wake you up ??? hello ??
well that's what USB is for... Universal Serial Bus..
in your small mind, what you are thinking ? people who uses Firewire dun support USB ???
it has nothing to do about using macs or pc... I use both platforms... PCs and Macs
at least on the macs you don't those irritating pop ups every time you stick a USB device in ... - phpkerouac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0USB 2 is faster than Firewire. I dont know what all this leaving in the dust is talking about. If you connect the same 7200RPM drive to the same machine and copy the same file - once via USB2 and once via Firewire - USB2 will win.
- h2d2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0So FireWire is better... okkkkkkay. Now please find me these with FireWire:
ThumbDrives
Coffee Warmer
Laptop Lamp
Speakers
Scanner (with no power cord)
Digital Camera
Humidifier
Everyday Printers
MiniAquarium
Keyboard
Mice
Cellphone Charger
Pulsing X-Mas Tree
7-in-1 Card Reader
Mini Lava Lamp
Vacuum Cleaner
When you get atleast 12 of these items listed available with FireWire... wake me up. Otherwise, STFU Apple Fanboys. - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Hey, Applefanbois:
"Firewire" is Apple's (not so standard) implementation of the IEEE 1394 standard. And Sony (who calls it iLink) had an implementation before Apple.
This trade industry says NOTHING about Apple. This has to do with how components (like recorders) will talk to set top boxes and HDTVs. Get a clue. Please.
No digg. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Neat, USB 2.0 is still far superior.
- h2d2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0What the ***** would you do with a superior speed FireWire port when there aren't enough peripherals out there with it. So USB 2.0 is superior, if not in mere speed then at least in support.
Also, FireWire has also been the choice of AV Pro and manufacturers. How the hell is this "news" is beyond me... just another way for Apple Fanboys to post a story. I guess we didn't have enough of the Apple story quota today. - 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0RE: Why hasn't firewire taken off?
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