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- bawpcwpn, on 07/26/2008, -0/+28Well it's nice to know that Steve's cancer isn't back. I wish him good health for the future.
- duckley, on 07/26/2008, -2/+20“This is Steve Jobs,” he began. “You think I’m an arrogant [expletive] who thinks he’s above the law, and I think you’re a slime bucket who gets most of his facts wrong.”
So, no change there in Stevie's arrogant behaviour! - Oldsmobile, on 07/26/2008, -5/+18If Apple's stock plummeted 25% at Jobs' death, that would make his death a great investment opportunity since I doubt Apple would lose any of it's mojo even with Jobs out of the picture.
A terrible thought, and kinda sick profiting from someone's death. But if he does die on the job, remember to buy buy buy. - streak, on 07/26/2008, -3/+12Joe Nocera (the reporter) is indeed a slime bucket. He has gotten a lot wrong. Too bad he can't admit it. For example, the cancer Jobs had was completely curable and cured by surgery, but the surgery is radical and would affect him for the rest of his long life. It would be insane and irresponsible of Jobs not to seek alternatives to that surgery. The chance of cure with the surgery was not just "better-than-even," as Nocera reports, it was better than 90%. The "bug" Jobs had recently was almost certainly the reason why Jobs looked and sounded weak at WWDC. That bug was the reason Jobs had considered not presenting. It wasn't due to his more recent, corrective surgery.
Don't take my word for it. Certainly don't take an ignoramus of a reporter like Nocera's word for it. Look to experts, which curiously the reporters seem unable to do on their own. (That's how the press helps get a country into an unnecessary war.)
http://digg.com/apple/A_Surgical_Oncologist_specul ... - surfacewound, on 07/26/2008, -0/+9Yeah, it'd be a Wii with an Apple logo. Oh and it would cost $600, not $250, though you could buy one with half the internal memory for $500.
- bitterscream, on 07/26/2008, -4/+12"he is, instead, the single most indispensable chief executive on the planet"
The author doesn't give the employees of the company that much credit. I don't know the structure of the Apple but I don't expect it to be just Jobs, some programmers, and advertisers. There must be some executives and other management that make key decisions in the company. Otherwise what would happen to Apple if Jobs got in a car accident. - Tyrghast, on 07/26/2008, -1/+8You say that like Apple doesn't buy or copy projects that they like.
- Tyrghast, on 07/26/2008, -1/+8You would have to pay 70 bucks a month for the online service and it would only play Peggle.
- Judman, on 07/26/2008, -1/+6This article is highly underrated. Read the last two paragraphs:
"On Thursday afternoon, several hours after I’d gotten my final “Steve’s health is a private matter” — and much to my amazement — Mr. Jobs called me. “This is Steve Jobs,” he began. “You think I’m an arrogant [expletive] who thinks he’s above the law, and I think you’re a slime bucket who gets most of his facts wrong.” After that rather arresting opening, he went on to say that he would give me some details about his recent health problems, but only if I would agree to keep them off the record. I tried to argue him out of it, but he said he wouldn’t talk if I insisted on an on-the-record conversation. So I agreed.
Because the conversation was off the record, I cannot disclose what Mr. Jobs told me. Suffice it to say that I didn’t hear anything that contradicted the reporting that John Markoff and I did this week. While his health problems amounted to a good deal more than “a common bug,” they weren’t life-threatening and he doesn’t have a recurrence of cancer. After he hung up the phone, it occurred to me that I had just been handed, by Mr. Jobs himself, the very information he was refusing to share with the shareholders who have entrusted him with their money." - streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+4I'd say he sounds healthy. Go Steve!
- pensel, on 07/26/2008, -0/+4"Otherwise what would happen to Apple if Jobs got in a car accident."
The problem with this - the reason for this inordinate amount of press coverage to this computer company's CEO's weight - is they've never been able to give any answer or indication to that very "if he got hit by a bus" scenario. There isn't anyone on the exec team whose skillset overlaps enough to make the company the same.
The way they operate *is* actually Steve Jobs. Their corporate culture and convention surrounds him. - streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+4Nocera apparently isn't an Apple shareholder. But perhaps he needs to tell us of his holdings in MSFT.
- pensel, on 07/26/2008, -0/+3It'd be pretty baller to behave like that in a meeting and know you always have the upper hand.
- SpacedCowboy, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4So, basically, that slimeball of a reporter (1) agreed to not disclose what he and Steve talked about, and then (2) went ahead and summarised the conversation anyway. What a *****. If a conversation is off-limits, it's off-limits, it's like being "a little bit pregnant", it's a binary state.
"reporters" like this bastard are what gives the rest a bad name. The NYT ought to fire him for breaching confidentiality like that. - UNL1M1T3D, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4What do you work for Apple or something?
- cheez124, on 07/26/2008, -0/+3his health is none of our business
- greathair, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4Well... Steve is quite right.
The guy is a slimebag. Steve made him promise to go off the record, and the guy still posts this article. Yes, he did not explicitly say what's up with Steve, but he might as well have - there is little integrity in this article and its unfortunate it was STILL posted after the reporters encounter with Steve. - doctordbx, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2I always had the impression that Steve was such an egotistical douche that he wouldn't groom anyone to take over after him.
- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2Read this very good article published a while ago on Wired regarding Apple's secrecy.
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-04/bz_ ... - buddhistMonkey, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2It's not really all that funny. The government's secrecy gave us an unjustified war, a terror watch list with a million names on it, and wiretapping without a warrant. Apple's secrecy gave us the iPod, the iPhone, and all the "just one more things" from every Steve Jobs keynote. Do you really not see the difference between the two?
- polalion, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2http://digg.com/comedy/iCult
- cfabbriumd, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2I think he's "an arrogant [expletive]"
- streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2Well, I, for one, am not interested in learning about Steve's bowel habits. That is information best kept off the record, and I doubt the public cares to know it either. The reporter has now publicly proven himself to be at least as bad as Jobs' assessment of him. Don't forget who the "victim" is in all of this, and don't forget the powerful interests--and the not-so-powerful interests--who stand to gain from it.
- Autodidaddict, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2Can someone explain the whole "off the record" thing? The author says he cannot disclose what SJ told him because it is "off the record" yet then proceeded to basically report SJ's exact health report update. wtf
- maexus, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2That question is what people have been talking about lately and really Steve is the driving force behind Apple. Word is he hasn't even begun grooming anyone to take over because Apple revolves around him.
- third_eye, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2It is if you're an investor and the stock price hinges on it.
- streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2@ronaldmonster, give some examples from that 99%, and be sure they weren't already in Mac OS X pre-Leopard and weren't where the technology/industry was headed anyway. Then factor in that Loghorn (sic) was years late and a mile short on usability. Furthermore, if any ideas were worth stealing, then Microsoft should have patented them.
- streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1The NY Times article doesn't contradict the crap that's been reported. That's part of the problem. Reiteration of crap is still crap. The other part of the problem is misrepresentation (re: "better-than-even" versus the better than 90% which Jobs' physicians reported years ago). And we're talking absolute cure here, NOT merely some period of time before a cancer is likely to rear its ugly head again. It's like people who have some forms of skin cancer that can be surgically removed for an absolute cure, except that the surgery in Jobs' case is simply awful.
If one seeks a cure, there really weren't any surgical options available to Jobs. I don't know where you got the idea that other options were available. It's a "Whipple procedure" or nothing. Jobs' cancer was of such a nature, though, that waiting to see if a dietary solution might help is a reasonable and responsible decision, given the radical nature of the surgery. The decision ultimately to undergo the surgery was Jobs', not his wife's and not the board's. Steve Jobs is the one who has to live most closely with the long-term ramifications of that surgery. Give him credit where credit is due.
Read it!
http://digg.com/apple/A_Surgical_Oncologist_specul ... - tiuk, on 07/26/2008, -2/+3I don't even know what to say about your comment.
- demicritter, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Culture of secrecy? What a joke! Apple is no more secretive than any other technology company. And in matters of one's health, whether an executive or otherwise, these are personal, private matters and not for public consumption. HIPAA legislation protects all our medical privacy issues. Just because some meat head journalist (Matt Drudge) first brought up the topic of Job's health, using a very specific photo, this fraud has been kept afloat for purely PR reasons.
- pensel, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2There is precedent. The last time they were on top of their game, and he left, they happily drove themselves to bankruptcy in about a decade before buying him back.
Defiance to include groupthink in plans and roadmaps is still really ***** difficult for someone already in the company or an outsider to do. - NSResponder, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2" There must be some executives and other management that make key decisions in the company."
There certainly are. I've met eight of Apple's senior vice presidents, and they're some of the greatest management talent in the country. One of the things that people don't give SJ credit for is recruitment. He's very, very good at getting the people he wants to join Apple.
-jcr - buddhistMonkey, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2Or how about an article about Digg's culture of digging some fool down just because he's racist?
- izikdela, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Everyone is too much of a pansy to because he is an African-American and there are so many people infatuated with him. Even watching the tonight show-- Jay Leno, Conan-- whoever-- has no problem making jokes about Bush, McCain, or Clinton, but Obama? Oh NO! No way, he is God's gift to the U.S. and he is the messiah! (Sorry for the sarcasm, but it's frustrating)
I didn't hear one thing about any of the umpteen gaffes, lies, and backtracks in Obama's speeches (Saying he just visited his 57'th state in the U.S., lying that his relative served in the U.S. military and was one who helped liberate Auschwitz--[Russia liberated Auschwitz], and tons more I won't get into.) Look them up for yourself if you're interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4
I wouldn't go as far to say he is a fool, or idiot. He is obviously very intelligent, articulate, and charismatic. I just don't agree with some of his beliefs or morals--or lack thereof, like being for partial-birth abortion and being against the death penalty.
Don't say I'm a hypocrite either, because it is the difference between killing an innocent life versus killing a mass-murdering, child rapist.
Anyway, that's my two cents. - UKsHaDoW, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2Apple Pippin lol
- Diggnabbit, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Who calls him SteveN P. Jobs?
- streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Well written for English class, but for a New York Times article, it's utter crap. Where's the research?
http://digg.com/apple/A_Surgical_Oncologist_specul ... - fanclerks, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1What the hell are you blathering on about exactly? It sounded like you were just stringing big words together to make yourself sound more intelligent and failed.
- JHHinshaw, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1You can give the reporter crap for basically writing what he promised not to write but anyone who calls a reporter a slimebag and then proceeds to tell him intimate secrets off-the-record is just an idiot to start with. Not to mention, why would he tell those secrets to someone off-the-record. It kind of defeats the point to reveal secrets the public is interested in off-the-record. I mean, just keep it to yourself.
- streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1There's also investigative reporting. Nocera's article is just sleaze.
- streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Thank you, New York Times editorial staff, I've been looking for ways to trim my monthly expenses, and this morning I found one.
- SouthsideIrish, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Ah, did FDR or JFK talk about their health problems with the press. Good god man, Steve Jobs is just a CEO. The other two where way more powerful than the other one will ever be. It is none of our damn business, just as it was none of our business what the health of these two presidents were.
- swimtwobirds, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1but it doesn't, not in any real sense.
gizmodo wrote pretty well on this; he's a bloke
with a family and a private life, anyone looking at the cut
of him purely through the lens of their shares is a bit off. - streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Indeed. Nocera used a technicality to report that Jobs called him, while the important content of the call was "off the record." Then to further support Jobs' low opinion of him, Nocera reiterates wrong-headed remarks about Jobs' health situation and claims to have basically been correct. In effect, Nocera says the content of the conversation is off-the-record but then implicitly reveals the content by saying it's consistent with what he had said all along (which is actually a misrepresentation of the facts and a misrepresentation of what he told Jobs about the conversation being off the record). What a slime bucket.
- pensel, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2I don't see how this article contradicts.
"For example, the cancer Jobs had was completely curable and cured by surgery, but the surgery is radical and would affect him for the rest of his long life. It would be insane and irresponsible of Jobs not to seek alternatives to that surgery."
By all accounts and also by the original piece to describe it (the Forbes spread) it wasn't that he was seeking alternatives to an intense operation; he refused to even see a surgeon to talk about options. He spent almost a year trying to fix himself by changing his diet before his wife and the board convinced him to do something actually modern-medicine about it. - streak, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1"This article was poorly titled - should have gotten over and done with and called it the history of Steve Jobs's Cancer."
Except that the article doesn't contain any information (where "information" isn't information unless it's accurate) about Steve Jobs' cancer. Nocera simply used Jobs' phone call as an attention-getting opportunity--and an opportunity to make more money off the clicks. - sheepzilla, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Remarkably well written.
- SouthsideIrish, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Ah, so why did you read and comment. Just bury it, like me the Apple Fanboi
- strategynode, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1Not really - that's Mormonism. But if you have to choose between the two, Apple's a lot cooler.
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