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- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45"I didn't let it go past the initial drivers..."
Erm... Wouldn't that be kind of an important thing to "let" it do? - xierox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29This means that one could possibly install Linux upon your Mac. In effect you could have Windows XP, Mac OS X, and Linux on one computer which would take care of the wants/needs of 99% of the Geeks out there.
- Genius16, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26why not test to see if you can RUN linux fully? who the heck cares that it can boot the kernel. i care if i can use linux on an intel mac.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30Hmm... this is making me seriously consider buying a Mac.
- breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -10/+30For a non-Linux user, explain to me what this means.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16that's neat and all but someone should actually install and test a linux distrubtion and by install, i mean actually install it, not what this guy did.
- QueenOfSwords, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13So.... can you have a Windows partition, *and* a Linux partition? Thats the question I want answered in the coming days. Finally... one laptop to 'rule them all' :)
- InternetUser, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18@breakneckridge:
You must be new here :) - vinny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"I hope you realise you can do this better on a PC, and OSX86 is still floating around the net"
You can't do it legally, which is a factor for some people who care about that sort of thing. - breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Why would somebody minus digg a legitimate on topic question?
- captaindan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about.
- jonesy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13no, mac OSX is based on bsd, not linux. There's a big difference.
- rvalles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Maybe you'd want to try and boot a knoppix livecd. www.knoppix.net
It's a GNU/Linux system that runs from CD and doesn't need to be installed. - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Yeah, uh... Where exactly are there pictures of Linux actually being booted? The title of this story is wrong. No where in the linked article was Linux actually "booted."
- kingtubby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I´m a Windows user who dabbles with Linux now and again, but I can´t imagine why you wanna go and put something that´s almost as good as a Mac ...on a Mac. This must just be for the thill of it, no?
- StatusQuoRules, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Can't wait for 200GB 7200RPM 2.5" SATA HDs! We'll need all that space for the 3 OS's
- gargantuan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14To answer that question one must first take into account the underlying forces that drive society. If we make the assumption that humanity as a whole strives for an ideal, a utopia so to speak then we can say with certainty that because the ideal has not yet been reached, there must be idiots out there ruining it for everyone else.
So to answer your question, it's because some people are idiots. - ollywompus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"I'm curious as well. What does real Linux get you that OSX (unix) with X-Windows doesn't already offer?
IOW, what runs on Linux that doesn't run on other Unix flavors?"
It's not neccessarily about what does or doesn't run on Linux vs. Mac OS X, but about your preference of OS. Linux is infinitely more customizable than OS X is, and it's completely Open Source (which matters to some people, while not to others).
The things that will always keep me personally a Linux user (though at some point I may buy a MacBook and dual boot, since I DO think that OS X is an interesting OS) are as follows:
1.) Development is much more rapid on apps for Linux then on either OS X or Winblows.
2.) Apt-get (or slapt-get or yum or synaptic or whatever). apt is my choice, but in general the package managers are a godsend. Perfect example: my wife was going on a trip recently, and she wanted to watch dvd's on her laptop (which runs XP). I had to reload XP for her a few months ago (after a nasty virus hosed everything completely) and the IBM recovery disks didn't include the DVD codecs. So I set out on the net to find those codecs, and after 20 minutes, finally found some that WEREN'T spyware infested (the first 10 I found were). On my Ubuntu-top? 'apt-get install libdvdcss xine-ui' solves the problem in about 2 minutes.
3.) Non-proprietary crap. I like to know that if a program is hosing my system, I can go in and look at the source to figure out WHY. Yes, I care about the philosophical side of the OSS debate, but the practical side is more important in my opinion. I'm not dependent on anyone else for getting things to run the way I want them.
Just my .02 cents.
-olly - bloodylip, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Just like George Bush doesn't care about black people?
- Toshibi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm right there with you. Mac's just seem lovely and well, I'm sick of Windows, but need to have it around
Maybe I'll go this route! - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Now let's see a penta-boot: OS X / WinXP / Linux / BeOS / NeXTSTEP
anyone? anyone? - StatusQuoRules, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm going to install the free SuSE 10.1 beta 9 on mine
- wickmeup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I agree with you on the ugly part, but not on the pirated images. Luckly Intel Mac users have much more choice with Linux and various distro's nice looking installers. Anaconda looks pretty good, as well as YaST.
(but then again, I also am fond of ncurses so I guess I just like them functional and could care less about looks) - Bandito, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Agreed 100%. I've done this. I installed Boot Camp on my Macbook Pro yesterday. Installed and ran Windows flawlessly. While leaving a "bootable cd" in the superdrive I also noticed that you gain an additional icon in the boot menu. (very nice).
I tried running nUbuntu (Live Linux Distro) and received Kernel Panic errors.
It may work for some distros (I heard that Knoppix works, but haven't tried yet) however this blanket statement is not quite accurate.
NO DIGG - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11OS X is Unix-based, and Linux is Unix-based. However, UNIX != Linux and Linux !=OS X
- wickmeup, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Would be, but the focus was to test if the kernel would boot with BootCamp.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6yup, ati has absolutely horrible linux support while nvidia is much better.
- mdweaver7485, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Totally with you, no longer limited to just the Macintosh operating system it allows other operating system manufacturers to develop for a known system specification. I'm thinking it allows other Operating System Developers to release versions of their software slimmed down to only include the necessary drivers. One machine to run any operating system makes it the hardware platform of choice for consumers.
This improvement in customer experiece is also supported if yesterdays diggs about Mac releasing an API layer to run Mac Binaries in Windows are true. It would also be good if the API were released for Linux The opperating system and hardware platforms would become irrelevant and the Mac Binary Format would become the developers choice as it could be developed once and ran anywhere.
Bootcamp or not the Mac hardware can now boot the the big three Opperating Systems, it drives of hardware sales of the Mac line the consumer wont have to give up their current working methods to join the Mac Revolution. The concept of the universal binary running on other operating systesm will entice developers who want to reduce their costs and still reach most of the market, the shipments to developers will also serve to increase hardware sales.
I have no clue what the MacOS' role would be, there is a demand for the Mac experience, and that should be limited to the Mac platform to keep hardware sales up.
The whole focus is 'buy a mac.' Go ahead and use what ever operating system, buy a mac. Hey developers want a tool to allow your software to run anywhere, buy a mac. Hey consumers, run our software anywhere. If you want it to run faster, buy a mac. - briguyd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Right, Apple doesn't care for their Linux users... exactly the same way Microsoft doesn't care for theirs.
Think before you type. - thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12i'll digg it once he actually installs linux and tries it rofl wtf
- adam.lindsay, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Not trying to troll, but Linux lost me at 31 flavors. Working so hard to mimic MSFT, that it ended up getting no where fast. I love the community/open concept. But everyone went off and did their own thing, which both is cool and harmful. Apple on the other hand took BSD and pushed it to users that up to a year ago couldn't handle a right click. Linux on a Mac? I just don't see the point. I guess its about choice, and I am cool with that.
- bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8No digg. Half assed at best. Maybe try actually installing the whole OS. And Red Hat are already working on booting from EFI.
- Iccanui, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"why not test to see if you can RUN linux fully? who the heck cares that it can boot the kernel. i care if i can use linux on an intel mac."
Cause if it can load the kernal then no matter what the linux community can make the rest work.
But i agree, i would have loaded up a distro and try it, im curious too. - gookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Now someone gets it fully installed. That'd be much dugg.
- StatusQuoRules, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5sure why not, if you have the partitions there
- gookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I may be wrong, but the linux booting you're talking about is for the PPC version. This is for the new mac intel duos.
- blugu64, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No OS X isn't BSD, it's baised on the Mach Micokernel, it has the BSD userland though which is probably where you are getting confused.
- antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Is there a way to Triple boot with bootcamp?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@briguyd:
I believe he was referring to the way that Apple took what they wanted, and then pissed all over the OSS community, rather than actual users of Linux on Mac. Read more carefully! - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4running a live cd could prove it a working option, just make sure you have something like the 2.6.16 branch on your disc as there are drivers on there which may help (they are now supporting the new intel cpus).
http://www.linux-live.org/ is a simple way to create your own livecd, or goto the gentoo support pages which has a nice write-up on that as well.
@ bandito - the latest nUbuntu livecd (which came out TODAY) does not have 2.6.16 so the disc you used was no good.
@ jabba - all of those distros you named are horribly outdated. make your own cd or use fedora core 5 - isalpha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4But that's the whole point. FOSS works because everyone can take an exisiting piece of code and modify it. Thus good software forks and mutates - it's evolution: survival of the fittest ideas and code. The same applies to distros.
Here's an alternative opinion from a Unix guy:
http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/sucks/ibook.html
I really like some of his conclusions:
# Don't for the love of god buy an Apple Macintosh if you believe both that you'll be buying an appliance, and that the thing is a real, usable UNIX computer. I cannot now imagine how I could have been stupid enough to do so.
# Proprietary software really does suck if you have ambitions to make it work the way you want, not the way Steve Jobs does. I wasn't misremembering, and Richard Stallman is right. - mightymouse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5looks like cnet pounced on this thing pretty fast. I think i actually might get a macbook pro now.
- Jozer99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is what bootloaders do, its not a suprise. BootCamp is simply an EFI update that includes BIOS emulation, a bootloader, and a Windows XP driver install package.
- jabba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The problems start after the initial boot. I tried several distros (SUSE, Fedora Core 4, Mandriva) and the problem is always partitioning of the drive. None of the above distros could see the drive.
- lepton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't understand why you want to install a *nix OS partition when OSX is already based on *nix? You already have *nix in OSX, what's missing from it that you want?
- rockintom99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ollywompus: Just your .02 cents? Cheapskate, I actually give a full 2 cents :P
- ivanjs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And for those who don't have an intel mac yet, you have several linux options for PowerMacs including my favorite: ubuntu!
http://www.ubuntu.com/ - rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Eh, not really a surprise or anything. The title is misleading as you can't RUN linux just yet. Further, since distros would have to be updated to work on these machines anyway, this doesn't really change anything at all.
- eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ thisisgil
"I believe he was referring to the way that Apple took what they wanted, and then pissed all over the OSS community, rather than actual users of Linux on Mac. Read more carefully!"
How did Apple piss on the OSS community? As jonesy and felchdonkey pointed out OS X is based on BSD (and Mach), nothing to do with GNU/Linux. If you're referring to WebKit, Apple did everything they were required to do with regard to the Konqueror license. Get your facts straight, quite whinning and grow up. - Xopl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Mach was initially hosted as additional code written directly into the existing 4.2BSD kernel."
So if Mach came out of BSD, and OS X uses the BSD userland.... I don't get why OS X can't be called a BSD. -
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