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- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -9/+84Wow, talk about Masters of the Obvious (the article's authors). OF COURSE the iPod trend will be toward flash memory. Just as it will be for notebook computers.
But they certainly won't be cramming 80 gigs (the capacity of my video iPod) of flash memory into the iPod by year-end. Not even close. - TheDiggMan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+63I really hope they don't switch...yet. There are good and bad points for flash memory.
The Good:
-Thinner/Smaller
-Faster.
-More battery life.
The Bad:
-More expensive.
-Not enough memory yet.
I rather have a touch screen iPod with 120 GB HDD memory, than a touch screen iPod with 32 GB flash memory. Maybe next year they will be able to pull it off, because I'm sure they will have more memory for flash memory, but I don't think we will be seeing them this year. - Blackmane, on 10/12/2007, -12/+40An iPod with all flash memory would be, better, would also be quicker. I hope they bring out a new iPod soon, my 4th Gen is starting to break. Didn't help with me dropping it on the floor many times, and using it in a large thunderstorm. My Bad.
- adnk283, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25http://www.bartleby.com/61/40/A0554000.html
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In short, ax == axe - OriginalLucid1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Danny, have you been drinking again? Crazy Danny!
- vitr0x, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20He copied the exact title of the article he posted about. Criticize apple insider. And what exactly was unclear about getting rid of HDD iPods for all-flash models?
- OriginalLucid1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16100GB touchscreen Wi-Fi/Bluetooth iPod NOW, please.
- fanboydcs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Trust me you are going to kill a harddrive way way way before you will kill flash memory in a mobile device.
- MedHead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Buelldozer:
You asked why 160GB or more were needed for portable media players. I ask, why not? Does anyone "need" 60GB of space? 80GB? In short, no. One can survive without any portable media.
The great thing about iPods and other similar devices is the ability to choose what one wishes to hear or watch. On a rainy day I often want to hear music that is entirely different from what I'd want to hear on a sunny day. On mornings I may want to listen to something different than nights. When I drive *to* work, I enjoy listening to different music than when I'm driving *from* work.
If it wasn't for the space I have available on an iPod, I'd not be able to make those choices. I really can't fully understand the mentality that doesn't see the value in having one's entire collection of media on hand, for when the mood strikes (and then changes). Why do we collect music, if not for the ability to listen to it? Why is it then a strange thing for some of us to choose to actually have the ability to do so when we want? - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Why don't you try...oh I don't know... WORKING while you're at work instead of watching movies you lazy hippie?
- fanboydcs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11thediggman,
The biggest Pro is, durability. The flash ipods are so much better for an active lifestyle. I use my nano fishing, working out, running, and it can lay in my pocket with out worry. If I had a harddrive based ipod I know it would have died a long time ago.
I bet apple replaces or repairs harddrives in their iPods much more than batteries or any other component. - zip22, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9archos has the 160GB 504. its considered a portable media player by most and is larger than the ipod, but if he needs the space there are options in a portable form factor.
- superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I would like to see an ultra-high capacity NAND flash unit, but I would also like to see 120Gb model as well. I can see Apple doing both; the market is large enough that no matter what they do they will make money hand over fist.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I work full time, and have a job where I can thankfully listen to it all day. I like having the option to listen to any of the music I have, as my tastes change many times during the day. Also, I have up to an hour for lunch, depending on how busy things are, and during that time I'd like to be able to watch a few ATHF episodes or Space Ghost.. or even half of a movie.
- kiwiboyus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I love my 60Gb HDD, I'd hate to think how much 60Gb of Flash would cost.
- brlittle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Someboy school the non-memory-tech...doesn't flash memory have a limited life in terms of number of reads/writes? Would that be a problem in this kind of use?
I'm just asking out of curiousity. - JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9exception:
When referring to the Cologne Spray/Antiperspirant/Body wash brand, The word is always "Axe", as it is a proper noun. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9They could still build hybrid players, like they have been for years, but increase the available Flash to cache more of the disk at once; most listeners listen to the same songs very frequently, spinning up the disk and moving these to the flash (based on number of plays, for example) could increase the battery life by a substantial margin. The disadvantage is that the harddrive is still in the device (which drives up both the cost and support cost, and decreases the reliability), but it does add a very clear advantage of still being a high-capacity device.
Then again, Apple's more about practicality, so I doubt they'll go with this approach. It's far more likely we'll see an 8- and 16-GB next gen iPods that are all Flash for the high end devices, with no hard disk devices remaining in the line up. 32-GB is still far too expensive (lest we'd be seeing hard-diskless laptops on the market en force). - iwannagofast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6if your still using the ipod in 10-15 years you might have a problem. I feel there will be better upgrades before it dies on you ; )
- mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@neiltc13:
The title is clear. You are just a moron. - ronmexico, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4How about you buy a flash one and others can decide what kind they want to buy.
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Good to have you back. I'm Sockpuppets, your designated rebutter. You're assigned a digg case number of 486482. I've dugg you down and put the "digg you down" indicator on your profile to indicate you're currently lame. Also, I made you a cookie but I eated it. If there's anything else I can assist you with please let me know.
- razorpit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If that is the case Lyph4 then you shouldn't really have to worry yet because you should still be listening to cassettes unless of course you recently upgraded to a portable CD player. Whatever the case you won't be ready for an iPod for another few years. How long do you keep your portable electronics anyways? 15-20 Years?
- richardiscool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love you sockpuppets.
- nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I like battery time because I have no car and when I take the bus to the city (45min.) and walk around or shop, I dont want it dead on the ride home.
plus if you take it travelling you cant always find a place to just charge it up.
theres alot of other situations not having a dead ipod is nice
(When I ran my marathon, that would've sucked having it die 2/3 of the way through) - PixelVision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The people who ask why someone needs a certain technology fail to understand that if people didn't desire the next step up then technology wouldn't progress, or at least it would progress very slowly without consumer money. "hell, I can see my 23" CRT TV perfectly fine, I don't need a 42" plasma". Grow some balls and demand progress! It's what our society survives upon
- zip22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"They haven;'t considered it for a very good reason. Because polls of iPod owners list HDD capacity VERY low on their list of priorities."
really? i am willing to bet the reason they aren't doing it yet is because they currently have the highest capacity 1.8" drive (that i know of) seagate announced a 120GB option, but i haven't heard of it actually going into production yet. toshiba is supposed to have 100GB coming this year. i'm sure once they come, they will be used. - ronmexico, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't speak nerd. What just happened here?
- standalonematt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe use OLED - hey were dreaming about flash/touch screen iPods here - why not.
- D4N747, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I know flash memory is, in the long run, much more economical when it comes to battery life and playback, but for some reason I've become attached to hard drives.
Just hearing my 4g's 20gig spin up when I select a song just seems like it's saying "I'm working, what the hell do you want now?" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I need more than the 60 gigs I have now, and an upgrade to 80 isn't enough either. I have to choose between my movies, my tv shows, or my music now, and even with only my music it's getting to the point where I have to stop it from including certain artists when I sync
Apple, please keep adding features and upping the storage capacity.. Or I'll be forced to buy something from a different company. My love for the iPod motivated me to take the plunge and get a Macbook Pro, and I am glad to say I'm a satisfied switcher.. but don't ignore the people who actually have a large music collection! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4iriver has done this for two years because HD failures are costly.
- franklinbluth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Let me axe the following question. Where do these "analysts" get these predictions from? While the trend is to move to flash, it's still going to super expensive in the next few years. I'm tired of predictions that seem to come out of people's asses. For instance, the analyst who said the Sony will not come out with a PS4.... straight out of the ass.
- shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Look at the iPod Mini to iPod Nano transition. Everyone then said it would be outrageously expensive too. Remember, Apple isn't paying list price for these drives, they'll probably cut a million+ shipment deal with samsung.
- eclipxe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Uh...have you ever heard of smart-playlists? You can do the same thing and get a random sampling of music or music based on a combination of your favorites and new stuff...Same thing as autofill.
- chrisrcary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, I would sacrifice that "upgrade" in space in a future revision for a flash-based iPod, but that's because of my usage patterns iPod-wise; I have a 20GB iPod and a 4GB green mini (I like the monochrome screen as you can see it in the sun, and no one watches video on the UGA bus), and I use the mini almost exclusively, because it really has all of my favourites: the highlights of my CDs, the more recently added music on my library, and if I want some "extended listening," I pull out my 20GB, which has everything and stays at home or goes on extended trips.
I really think that may be how most people use their iPods that way in the first place, put their faves on an iPod nano/mini, and shuffle it whilst walking/on the bus. At the UGA campus, I see most people with nanos, and I don't consider it a money issue as this is a "public Ivy" nor do I think that most people have that little music at a time where we archive everything on our machines.
I think it's a smart product decision. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2A REAL video iPod with less than 80 gigs is a waste. Movies from the iTMS are a gig, and TV shows run along there. Also, you're putting music on there.
32 gigs for a video iPod? *laf* - dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Because 80GB of flash is SO cheap. Like I said, people are going to complain, but they will long run down the battery before they watch/listen to everything they have on their iPod.
- steve_s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WOW Groundbreaking!! ...Just kidding. bout time apple. I dont like Ipods. Maybe i use them wrong but they dont seem to last over 18 months. had 1 that broke and another that slowin down, im not buying abother ever again. I think the problem is in the hard drive so I wont reject the flash based ones. Think about 400 dollars for an ipod, think about the great stuff that you would use more with that, like an xbox 360, a great GPU, or an Aqurium and some fish. way more fun that an ipod
- shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But wouldn't a shorter battery life also run counter to this trend? What's the use of having a full touchscreen ipod if you can only finish one movie before the battery dies?
- Merrick178, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1iPod shuffles and the Nano (I think) use Flash memory already and that's never been an issue to consumers before.
- whirlwind12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3uh huh, and which different company are you buying from that has more HDD space on their mp3 player?
- Merrick178, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well I'd hope that they'd still make an HDD Model because I have just about 80GB of stuff on my iPod (That includes Music, Videos, Pictures, And Files) and It'd be ridiculous if I had to widdle all of that information down to 32GB of "what's the most important."
Ehh... It'd be kinda ridiculous because while flash memory is faster, I was hoping the iPod HDD would expand to higher GB sizes... I don't dare say I might switch to the Zune if my iPod dies of old age and the only iPods on the market are Flash Memory. Oops to late. - RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I like the idea of going all flash, but not quite yet. The memory needs to get cheaper and compact enough to cram 80+ gigs of it into an iPod casing. Going to flash now would run counter to the trend of iPods becoming video players, with ever larger video files. A proper video player needs massive capacity.
- Kwipper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I would love to own a video iPod, but there are a few things that concern me.
1.) Expensive Price Tag on both product and anything with iPod in the name of the accessories.
2.) Lack of UMS Compatibility
3.) Proprietary Playback Formats
4.) Proprietary Battery
5.) Proprietary Sync Cable
6.) HDD Storage Memory... whoops they just fixed this. Never mind this one. =D
When Apple decides to fix these problems, I'll consider buying one. - randall814, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Companies already started demoing 128 GB flash chipsets. And you'd be a fool to think that Apple will pay even close to what we pay for flash memory. Flash memory will get cheap rapidly. By years end, probably not cheap enough, but by the end of 2008, you will probably be cramming your episodes of The Office into a 100GB flash, touchscreen, OLED, stereo bluetooth iPod, with the thickness of a nano and a 3.5 inch screen. By then, I see very few reasons why we wouldn't see a 7+ hour battery life. There will be a nice tradeoff with the HD no longer sucking up the battery life, we can "trade" the HD for some other features that will use a fraction of the battery, all combining to give us, at the very worst, the same 5 hours we're already used to.
- 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What? I can get a 16GB flash drive for ~£300 (which, knowing how prices translate between the U.S. and the U.K, would probably be about $350 over there). I realize you can't just double price to double capacity, but 32GB is nowhere near $2500.
- shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Except if the 6G ipods have full touchscreens like the ipod, the screens will suck a lot of power and the battery life would drop quickly. Also, with a full touchscreen, the screen will have to be on to play/pause or do anything with the ipod. I can't really see them going with anything other than flash memory. By the end of this year, Apple will be in an excellent position to force high-capacity MP3 players to flash memory.
- Xanadude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Maybe it's just me, but I never feel too constrained by the puny 8GB on my Nano. It's not that big a deal to move music around, and 8GB still holds a pretty decent amount of stuff.
- MikeSobe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For those of you that say the battery life is acceptable as is.... adding a larger screen, GPS, and a better processor (for higher res screen) is going to eat up the battery. Going to flash memory is one way to make up for all the additional drain on the battery.
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