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- wontstoptalking, on 07/09/2009, -2/+33If you read between the lines, this becomes an awesome story about how, if the HTML 5 video feature is supported enough, we can finally get in-browser (probably with the option to go full screen) streaming video on the iPhone.
Huzzah! - Commodus, on 07/09/2009, -0/+25It'll be part of the HTML 5 standard -- that's the point. You won't need Flash to show video.
Also, people haven't been worried about the lack of Flash Lite on the iPhone so far, and I don't think the new embedded Flash 10 will change that. - RocketGib, on 07/09/2009, -10/+35So, how about Adobe Flash Player?
- davidwasman, on 07/09/2009, -3/+17Wow. Someone is bitter. Ease up on the hateraid.
FYI - not everyone who owns an Apple branded product is a "fanboy". I happen to have 3 systems - Linux, Mac OS, and Windows 7. I also own 2 phones. 1 Nokia and 1 iPhone.
Curious to know what YOU run at home. - davidwasman, on 07/09/2009, -3/+17@serif69 - Try a little research. These stories have been on Digg's front page and all over tech blogs. Example:
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3 ...
Not my fault you missed it.
@Nothlit - Most of those vulnerabilities relate to Windows and the ones which do not are related to deeper system integration than an iPhone client would have. - jbella, on 07/09/2009, -2/+16I think Apple has been pretty reasonable about this.
The DRM on their iTunes store was a requirement that the record labels initially mandated. Today, thanks in part to Apple's efforts, most stores sell DRM free music. Movies are another matter that I'm sure will take a bit longer to shake out.
What other instance of Apple intentionally trying to create a captive audience are you thinking of? - colincornaby, on 07/09/2009, -0/+14The QuickTime Stream Server is open source, along with large chunks of OS X.... But people frequently ignore that...
- digitalpencil, on 07/09/2009, -2/+15Apple don't want a native Flash player on the iPhone for a variety of reasons, primarily that it will allow app devs to transcend the walled-garden.
If Adobe were to create a fully functional mobile Flash player (not that lite *****), that could run AS3/2 then it would completely circumvent app store policies by providing an uncensored platform on which to develop. Given Flash's humble beginnings as a vector animation suite, the capabilities of AS3 are truly astounding. The problem is that Flash is a resource-hog, it rapes your CPU and given Apple have already stripped down the battery in the 3GS to accommodate increased component footprint, this would result in greatly diminished battery life for mainstream users.
Case in point, it's not going to happen due to lessening their control over app content and due to high CPU cycling inherent to the Flash platform.. - colincornaby, on 07/09/2009, -0/+11"Actually, the reason that QuickTime stopped playing was because Apple did not want QuickTime vids to be played in other players. So it was Apple that stopped the QuickTime codec, not Microsoft. So there is no "Just as" *****. To this day the reason sane people need to use QuickTime Alternative is because of Apple greed."
Ummmm. That doesn't make any sense because QuickTime Player broke, which was Apple's own damn player.
And if Apple didn't want anyone else playing movies, why did they release the QuickTime API? You know, the C API for Windows that lets you play anything QuickTime supports? The one that I code for in my day job for Windows? The one that's existed from the very beginning, and stuff like Myst for Windows used way back in the day?
Seriously, did you just make all this up? - bornfreeid, on 07/09/2009, -2/+13Sorry for the stupid reply, but I don't see how Flash/FLV format has anything to do with the HTTP Live Streaming. Did I miss something?
- t0ny, on 07/09/2009, -1/+11Um.
"The technology behind HTTP Live Streaming leaked into public knowledge in May when Apple submitted it to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) as a draft standard on track to become an RFC (or Request For Comments, the memorandum used by the Internet Society to define how technologies work in order to foster cooperation and compatibility between the vendors implementing them)."
Meaning anyone can build this into what ever they want. - MiDri, on 07/09/2009, -1/+11How did you get the extra minute of battery life out of it?!
- scruffles, on 07/09/2009, -0/+10HTML 5 will no longer specify a codec for the video support. It still has video support.
- bloominoctober, on 07/09/2009, -2/+11Instead, I'll bury your comment because you're a douchebag.
- WiseWeasel, on 07/09/2009, -0/+9As I replied to your previous post, this is incorrect. HTML 5 will no longer spec out *Theora* video streaming, leaving the particular codec to use with the <video> tag up to the website operator. Apple wanted the Theora spec removed because they sell a bunch of devices (iPhones and iPods) that are incapable of decoding the Theora format in real-time, meaning they can't play them at acceptable frame rates to be usable (they can only do h.264 playback because they have specialized graphics hardware decoders for that specific format).
- WiseWeasel, on 07/09/2009, -1/+10Incorrect. What they dropped was the requirement to use any particular codecs in HTML 5 video. The <video> tag is still a part of the HTML 5 draft spec, it just doesn't tell you what codec you have to use with it. The market will decide that (and it'll be h.264/AAC, not Theora, I can tell you that much, simply from the ubiquity of devices and software to play/record/edit the format). Mozilla will be forced to accommodate h.264 playback at some point if the <video> tag becomes at all popular, so that's how the issue will be resolved.
- sirch, on 07/09/2009, -0/+8http://iphone.akamai.com/
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -6/+13now your battery will last 4 minutes
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -2/+9He runs ClamXAV, Spybot, and Avast.
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5I bet his explanation includes the word "fanboys" and mentions something about Steve Jobs' *****.
- WiseWeasel, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5It's a part of the W3C spec for HTML 5. That's about as standardized as you could hope, and *does*, in fact, mean more than squat.
- colincornaby, on 07/10/2009, -1/+5Darwin Streaming Server = QuickTime Streaming Server without the GUI. They're the same engine.
- HonoredMule, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4@tmcal: tell that to the ISPs who think anything not on port 80, 443, 22, etc. and either encrypted or one of the common protocols (http, imap, pop3, ftp, etc.) are commie/spy/nazi/terrorist pirate transmissions.
- kitsua, on 07/10/2009, -1/+5***** Flash.
- s0ny, on 07/09/2009, -1/+5Holy ***** the douchy commenter of this ***** is an idiot.
- WiseWeasel, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4It's the worst possible reason, until YOU are the one that has to deal with customer support...
- kitsua, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3The days of Flash dominating online video are coming to an end. Thank goodness.
- Cybrwolf, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Wrong! By being able to provide the video stream as simple http data, AT&T will have zero say in using/not using this technology.
This provides circumvention of ISPs, and Cable Companies! - HonoredMule, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3Enough with the intentional deception and FUD already!
- peacenik, on 07/10/2009, -1/+4Given that you viewed the content using Safari running on a desktop or laptop computer, it's no surprise that you missed the "***** point" of viewing a site called "iPhone Showcase".
- Cybrwolf, on 07/10/2009, -1/+4You just confirmed your own argument. Yes, DSPs have support for certain codecs, which Ogg is NOT readily support by "most" accelerating, decoding chips.
So, it is true to say that Ogg lacks silicon support. However, it is 100% accurate to say that Ogg's silicon support is minimal, at best. - collution, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3Thanks DeFranco for migrating your pea brain YouTube posse over to Digg.
- inferno10, on 07/09/2009, -1/+4I wonder if the MLB At Bat software is already using the HTTP Live Streaming standard. That app features live streaming of some games, which is even viewable on 3G.
- Balanced, on 07/09/2009, -1/+4Might be holding out until Flash for Mac OS X is a bit less buggy.
- CapeKid, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3"Good app," not really. But Joost, TV.com and TVUPlayer all stream TV shows, none of which do it particularly well. But they are free so it is worth a shot.
Alternatively, OrbLive for the iPhone costs $10 and if you have a TV tuner in your computer, that can be used for live TV. It can also do streaming TV with various webstreams, but it is crap in this department. - t0ny, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3It says they did this to bypass firewalls.
- kevinmoore, on 07/09/2009, -1/+4and CCleaner, AdAware, Norton Internet Security...
- davidwasman, on 07/09/2009, -7/+9Built and ready but Apple won't ok it because they THINK it has vulnerabilities.
Funny how they allow it on Mac OS without issue.
The other argument is that it's a memory and battery hog which, to be honest, is partially true. However, Adobe thought of that and was able to put together a client with a small memory footprint. - rimantas, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3@pentiumii: you don't have to wait a few years before HTML5 is out it is already out: Chrome, Safari4, Firefox3.5, recent builds of Opera.
"The future is already here - it is just unevenly distributed." © William Gibson - InverGoatie, on 07/10/2009, -1/+3"their narrow-minded design/usability philosophies"
You're joking right.. - inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2Stepson, is that you?
- mrsteveman1, on 07/09/2009, -1/+3Source for what? It's a standard, not code.
- pentiumii, on 07/11/2009, -0/+1yes html 5 is out but not really its kinda still being test and is not full up and running as of yet
it will be a few more years before it is up n running to it fullest and it becomes the standers
u can keep waiting for html 5 to save your iphone but it will still be a couple years befor u start seeing embeded video in html 5 as the norm and by then probable will just get a mid device
also lte and wimax is going to be the death of the cell phone
u will see cell phone providers turning in to wireless isp instead
this has all ready been stated by most of the big cell company - RMoore08, on 07/09/2009, -1/+2Way to try and promote your own story.
- HonoredMule, on 07/10/2009, -1/+2Apple has never been about controlling the content...they've always pushed open content access similar to Google. Hardware and software, however, are another issue, and they've done anything they could to lock their users into an Apple-only hardware market with tightly linked software. A good example of that is the encryption/authentication being applied to prevent using iPods with 3rd party media players, or their tight control over the iPhone OS and software market.
I'm biased against Apple because of the hardware + software lock-in they're always pushing and their narrow-minded design/usability philosophies. But they generally do well by open standards, especially when it comes to content, which is pretty much all 3rd party anyway. - BlueStarr, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1Are you ***** mental? NO ONE HERE HAS SAID APPLE IS THE FIRST TO DO THIS YOU ***** D-BAG. And if you'd RTFA you'll see it' says that they give MS props. Jackass!
- inactive, on 07/11/2009, -0/+1Safari, the exact same browser that is on the iPhone, the desktop version always being a version ahead. The iPhone's media framework is QuickTime, the same framework used in MacOS X on the desktop.
They say they want this to be a web standard, not an iPhone-only-thing that no one will use. So it would seam that you sir were the one who missed the point. - WiseWeasel, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1Oops, this one is actually not a part of the draft spec for HTML 5, and has simply been submitted to the IETF for consideration as a standard at this point. I was confused, mod my previous post down. It does bode well that this solution is not dependent on any proprietary non-standard technology, though, and is thus quite likely to be ratified as a standard eventually.
- jbella, on 07/10/2009, -0/+1I don't entirely agree that the iPod is particularly locked. I have not tried in quite a while, but I believe other media players will show up in itunes, and provided your have DRM free music, you can transfer them to the player. Sure, auto-sync does not work.. but there is nothing stopping those other players from building their own jukebox software that works with their players. I'm not quite sure what you meant by "encryption/authentication being applied to prevent using iPods with 3rd party media players" because I'm not sure exactly how you would use an iPod with a Zune, for example.
As for the 'narrow-minded design/usability philosophies' I can kinda see what you mean. With apple, they do make some design decisions that some people love and other people hate. The one button mouse or the virtual keyboard are probably the prime examples, but I think it's fair to say that Apple has a pretty clear voice when it comes to these design decisions, and they seem to be okay with making decisions that appeal greatly to their core audience even if it really cheeses of others. I personally think it's a strengh of theirs. They don't necessarily try to be all things to all people. -
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