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- stupidverizon, on 10/12/2007, -9/+66My XP iTunes runs fine....why is it pure *****? Has never crashed, or glitched.
Only downside I can figure is that the shuffle must be broken because it keeps playing the certain songs way too much. - asskey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39And you're going to run iTunes on that?
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -31/+63just because it's "Vista Compatible" doesn't mean it will be any more stable than the XP version, which is pure *****.
iTunes runs best on OSX, nuff said. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34asskey..you think he was serious? No. He just desperately wants his comment to be dugg, and knows htat saying he is going to dump Windwos for Ubuntu is the best way to do it.
He knows that diggers are sheep, and will digg ANYTHING up as long as it is pro-Linux.
Obvious if he was going to REALLY install Ubuntu, he wouldn't be gloating over the fact that he doesn't care about iTunes not working on Vista, since it wil work far worse for him after Spring Break. - BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36lol, you bought a dell
- Noah0504, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26This article begs to differ: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6164830.html (New iTunes version still not fully Vista-ready)
- 3rnesto, on 10/12/2007, -13/+35Thats because Dells SUCK!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30I'd say iTunes taking up 128MB of RAM sitting idle isn't a FEATURE of iTunes for Windows...
iTunes runs so nice on my MBP.. - punk90, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Thats funny, I used iTunes on vista for a while now and never had a crash. Just must have been pure luck.
- Xavier1012, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19I'm running iTunes 7.1 on Vista Ultimate and it runs just fine. Syncing, playing, everything works. The only problem is the black "scattered display" that comes up when I start iTunes. I'm running a Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM setup so maybe my pc can handle the resource consumption better...
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"Only downside I can figure is that the shuffle must be broken because it keeps playing the certain songs way too much."
On the bottom if the shuffle page, there is an option to play higher rated songs more often. uncheck that.
Have fun. - moofer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13He's being a smart-ass, you dumb-ass.
- Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22Itunes for windows is the most bloated piece of software I've ever seen. I stick to ephpod for my music transfers, I've heard good things about foopod also.
- Ocelot13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12i used itunes on vista before this, sure i had to reinstall itunes after i upgraded, but it ran fine, even with multi plugin.
- elvenseven, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14He just wants someone to talk to.
- Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Actually, a lot of that issue might be that iTunes was programmed to utilize memory more efficiently on OSX, and they didn't spend any time optimizing it for XP's particular memory quirks.
- celeronxl, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11My iTunes on Vista crashes every time I try to close it. I suppose it's still doing what I want it to (closing), but it's in quite the unorthodox fashion.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Apple has had access to the final version of Vista for 4 months. It certainly took them long enough.
Hell, there's no excuse for them not to have had it working as of 6 months ago. Anything after Beta 2 was relatively close to the final version of Vista in terms that an application developer should care about. - maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I just thought i should add that the title is inaccurate too, iTunes isn't vista compatible. It merely addresses several of the issues that were wrong with iTunes in Vista, some issues are still significant and unresolved.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What? Every other media player has worked flawlessly. (Only Quicktime based programs have been having problems, due to the way Quicktime rather stupidly locks the desktop DC to draw video disables desktop composition: aero glass shuts off), and iTunes of course, has had trouble. Anything "properly" coded should work on Vista without issues.
Winamp has always "just worked" with Vista.
Windows Media Player 11 is a spectacular app, with a rather nice library (Apple certainly must have thought so, they now have a library view that looks suspiciously similar.)
Eh, anything else that uses DirectShow to push out content, obviously..... - maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@imike...
Handling memory, maybe, but if we think about actual performance, 180MB of paged memory will be slower than 180MB of main memory. So how is this not in favor of windows for performance.
My theory, make your product seem slow on windows, that way MS's OS looks/feels slow, even though it isn't necessarily. That and the way that GUI in iTunes/Quicktime is not written in a way that is efficient for windows to handle. We see this when apps are written with direct draw, as noted here.
http://blogs.msdn.com/kamvedbrat/archive/2006/04/02/566788.aspx - gikeymarcia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why the hell is it Microsofts fault that Apple was too lazy to get iTunes running properly on Vista? Microsoft did their job (media player 11 is nifty) so get off their case about something that isn't their screw up.
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6foobar is not opensource, it's freeware.
winamp was never open source, it used to be freeware, now it's shareware.
foobar can look exactly like winamp if you want it to (no one does)
foobar is far more customisable than winamp, or any other media player under windows - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I said relatively close. Obviously there have been changes. But they've still had _4 months_ of final, and about 6 since the RC1 branch! (I've been beta testing since 5270, the December 2005 CTP, and testing/updating my company's stuff against Vista since Beta 2) You can't honestly say that a significant amount of _major_ changes that developers should be concerned about have been made since RC1. Minor tweaks and bug fixes, at best, should have been necessary after the RC1 branch.
- jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5iTunes is good, but what about Quicktime? I work for a software company, and our product relies on qt 7. Since qt is broken in Vista we've had to tell all our customers we're not Vista compatible until Apple fixes qt to work on Vista or MS fixes Vista to play nice with qt.
Does this mean qt is fixed in Vista? - maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14*Correction*
winamp is the best app on windows.
In media terms, oh wait that's the only terms, cause that's all you can do with itunes.
(VLC give me a break) - ProximaC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7This is good news since I've been using it on Vista for a month... but at least now it's official.
- MacRae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4has anyone noticed how terrible this website is?
1. It is chock full of ads. (the article is both preceded and followed by adwords)
2. It is poorly written. (see the opening lines "iTunes from apple confirmed few hrs ago that..." how can iTunes confirm anything?
3. While it does little more than summarize the information found on apple docs it does so porly and incorrectly. It says that it has a bug to fix which is "Ejecting Ipod from windows should keep it in working condition" when this is really the fix and not the bug, followed though by actual bugs.
3. continued. One of the "new" features is listed as "Enjoy Favorite Music and TV Shows." When in reality that is a shortened form of an actual feature which is that it is now Apple TV compatible.
4. "Improved Full Screen Cover Row" Wrong Wrong Wrong. Actually new (it has never been full screen) and called Cover Flow not some combination of Cover Flow and Front Row.
There are more but I don't feel like spending any more time on it.
That such an article reaches the front page is ridiculous. Yes it is news that people would like to know, but in such a case wouldn't it be better to simply post the relevant apple doc pages rather than this wholly incorrect blatant splog? - BadassCheese, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8http://duggmirror.com
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Tell Apple to get off their asses and render content without locking the whole damned DC, or you're stuck with having them run Quicktime in its GDI safe mode thing.
- Temujin2887, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Itunes runs horribly slow in vista, Especially when syncing to an ipod. it uses absolutely insane amounts of both cpu and ram... not to mention how gorribly laggy it is to switch song, or change to another page in the itunes store.
- maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@robdazomba
If it's not intentionally programmed poorly to make MS look bad, then what is wrong the problem with itunes and quicktime for windows. Why are they so glaringly slow to load and always have remember quicktime 4 back in the day. I have an E6600 and 4GB of DDR2 800, it should not take itunes 10 seconds to open. I have a mac buddy with a G4 mac mini and his itunes and quicktime open instantly, either it's intentional, or the media team at apple can't program for win32 for their lives. Does their app need to be 30MB, winamp is 6 MB and does everything itunes does (and more), even syncs with an ipod. I smell something fishy honostly. - iMagic2k7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@willynilly
design flaws? i think user flaws in this case.
umm ... drag and drop your music (folders at a time) into the main iTunes window. you don't need to import them individually. secondly, iTunes can organize your music directories automatically, if you set it up to do so - by artist or by album. no extra effort needed on your part. thirdly, "Sync iPod" is always supposed to be an available menu option regardless of auto-sync. sounds like a poor installation. reinstall, pergaps? lastly, apple developed itunes. they didn't "buy" it. - dickeytk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"itune"
Hmm... that must be what you call it when you have 1 song in your library
badump-psh - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3WMP11 or MC. Have any of you fanboys actually used any of these programs?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm running Vista Ultimate and iTunes 7.1 still doesn't fully work.
When I right click a song, get info..
I can't edit the song name and info or every change the volume amplification.
This blows Apple is taking there sweet ass time with this update, how hard can it be?
Luckily I have a Mac that runs iTunes just fine, but it is very inconvenience not be able to seamlessly jumping Mac to PC with something as simple as iTunes. - BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Xiliquiern
Microsofts DRM? Im usuing vista and im not having any problems with my .mp3s
Ha ha so why did people digg me down, does iTunes not have DRM and im just high or fan boys cant except the truth that apple does do things wrong to just like every other company. You guys treat apple is if it were your religion and Steve Jobbs as if he were your god. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I guess if you're dealing with lower level stuff, that'd probably be true....But honestly, this is a front end for a media player, you think they'd keep it simple and high level enough so that changes on that level wouldn't impact it as much.
- bainjurn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It crashes for me whenever I try to close it. Not a big deal, but kind of annoying
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5you're right, there really was no excuse for this, the RTM has been available since November - the issues were noted in the public betas.
- tropican8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ever check out this thread? http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=43077
Foobar's very customizable, it's just a lot more complicated than downloading a winamp skin. You get a lot more control over the final look of your player though.
All audio players on Windows are "the best" at what they do. iTunes is designed to allow the broadest audience possible to have an enjoyable music experience on their computer. Winamp wants to take that experience as far as it possibly can go, offering as many features as you can possibly imagine. Foobar is more of a music management type program. You can do mass editing of your files, reencodes, replaygain scans, etc. a lot easier than in the other two.
Oh, and none of those three were ever open source. Winamp and Foobar have open SDKs for plugins however. - moofer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3According to their download page, it doesn't mention Vista yet - sorry:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html
If you are running it (successfully or not), and want to help out with any of your observations, provide them with feedback here:
https://appleseed.apple.com/QTVistaSurvey/run/
I'm sure the reason that this code works so well under OS X, as mentioned before in this thread, is because they have very tight control over the hardware it runs on. When you enter the PC/Windows world, there's hundreds of different hardware configurations and they couldn't possibly test them all. User feedback can be very helpful in these situations. This is why MS released their OS in beta form first. User-feedback is critical. Instead of sitting in this forum crying "it's about time" and "hurry up already" try submitting your successes and failures at the above links, and actually do some good with the cycles you're spending. - maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6*theory*
Typical apply delay, iTunes has alot of market share in the media player world, no one is going to blame apple if their software doesn't work immediately, only MS will get the blame. My guess, this is market strategy. - Speed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why not link to the iTunes and Windows Vista compatability website? Bad neough it's blog spam, the poster could do is link to a blog that can withstand a digging.
- etx313, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well i'd be nice if they fix quicktime too. Out of all the 3d and video work I do Vista runs flawlessly, until I try to seek in the quicktime player and it crashes my machine.
- adamc80, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I keep getting a total blackout of the GUI in iTunes 7 in Vista. Supposedly resizing the window makes them come back on so I'm going to try that now. I can't understand ppl who say "don't get Vista" though, since all machines now come with it. New laptop=Vista. Not my choice but hey, I like it. They may have copied OSX in a lot of ways but it's all the good bits they've swiped ;) Anyone know the WinKey+D Vista equivalent to show all your open windows at once?
- ashishmohta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Guys thanlks for all your diggs....I am facing lot of problem due to traffic my host is saying i have so many http opened its overloading the server......I will just hide the page for sometimes ..sorry but i can do anything else they will suspend me....You can read from my feed if possible ....help me please
http://feeds.feedburner.com/technospot/tecnologywalksthewayoflife - schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, it's because you're a mac Zealot who doesn't actually own a Dell and is full of *****.
- jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thanks moofer, hadn't seen that page before. We've started doing exactly what you suggested.
To all others who commented, thanks. We had tried all of these suggestions, but there are a few function calls that are missing in safe mode, and disabling directdraw didn't fix the issue we run into.
Thanks again. - Reno582, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah iTunes works its just as unoptimized as ever as well
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