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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35"Jobs and Woz considered themselves best friends, but in all the accounts of I've read of both men, they really couldn't be much different."
Somewhere, an English teacher just died. - creep303, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Pay to digg strikes again!?
- Personatech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"WTF dude?!?! Who gives a crap. Language is there so that we can communicate. I can understand saying excuse me or whatever if you didn't understand, but you understood exactly what he was trying to convey."
I, for one, applaud the grammar smackdown. The purpose of a language is to communicate ideas efficiently and effectively; if I have to parse someone's communication it itsn't really communication after all, now is it? I've gotten to the point where I simply reply "cannot understand" to student emails that look like they were written by the ubiquitous 12-year-old AOLer.
I would also suggest that there is a small revision of history in the article: Jobs didn't "prod" Woz to build the first Apple - Woz was self-motivated to do that. What Jobs did do is convince Woz that there was a market for the device. - VargVikernes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Considering he didn't want to write the foreword for his book... not very close I think.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Ever since Colbert interviewed him on his show.. I view Woz in a different way.
Man, it was seriously just embarassing as all hell. - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"Jobs and Woz considered themselves best friends, but in all the accounts of I've read of both men, they really couldn't be much different."
Try this:
Woz may describe himself and Jobs as best friends but by all accounts they could not be more different.
Which sentence makes more sense to you? -OR- as the author of this article would probably put it:
Of this sentence which between both makes sense to you most of? - hesiod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Agreed. This is a fluff story and I'm not sure why this is on the front page.
Then again, it's 5:27am EST. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Then stop commenting on stories about him.
- nickiank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Troll nothing. Here's the relevant part for you again, this time with the problem section emphasized:
"...but in all the accounts *of I've read of both men*"
That's some convoluted, nonsensical *****. Eloquence is not a requirement for good communication. A desire for clarity, however, is the cornerstone of the entire effort, and is why we actually have language in the first place. Otherwise we'd all be scraping by with grunting and vague hand gestures. - mrspin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't think he "shunned the public". After Apple (which he never officially left), he finished his degree, did a bunch of start-ups, and became a high-school teacher.
He is also surprisingly accessible - back in 2004 (two years before the book came out) I was able to secure a lengthy interview with Woz for my debut documentary: In Search of the Valley.
insearchofthevalley.com - aboyd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ apo11o16
Kevin mentioned in a recent podcast that they had changed the algorithm for promoting stories. They now consider where the diggs come from. If the votes come from a "ring" of the submitters friends, or people all from the same IP address, or a bunch of sock puppet accounts, then they count less. Therefore, it's now very easy for a story with lots of diggs to fail to hit the home page, while a story with a few diggs (but from a very diverse crowd) hits the home page quickly.
-Tony - saska, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Woz's talk was interesting, although he seemed very nervous. I grew up with PCs -- my Dad bought one of the first production run IBM 8088 PCs -- but always wanted a Mac as a child and watched their evolution in my school's labs. Getting to meet him was appropriately geek-thrilling. The book is a good read, if simple.
That said, the most interesting part of Woz's talk at Microsoft was when he flat out said that Apple does a lot of things that would get them sued for antitrust if they were Microsoft. - sugarbearcsa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I believe differnet Catagories have differnet limites on how many it digg it need to get to the front page. Also i believe if the submiter has more story that make it to the front page (and less vote that say it a bad story) thier story might have more weight, (giving thouse who who post good storys more power, and though who post bad/inaccurate/lame stuff, less power). Hell maybe diggers diggs have more power if they digg for more thing that go to the home page over though that don't...
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Somewhere, an English teacher just died." = a light and amusing comment. You on the other hand need to stick with decaf for awhile.
But "We really need to keep this crap off the internet" is so funny....go ahead with another quart of espresso. - rajulkabir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Woz may be cool, but the linked blog entry was a big zero. It said absolutely nothing. Total waste of whatever effort it cost me to click the mouse button. And my time. Is there a pay-to-digg-down system yet?
- SectorNation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Woz visits restroom, uses facilities... Film at eleven.
Seriously though, the guy goes on a book signing tour and this is news? - rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ apo11o16
the wii hardware story you reference is a duplicate. that might be why. - rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8I think the Woz is cool and all, but this is getting old. He shunned the public for the past 20 years, but now he has a book out I seem to come across a story about or video of him almost daily. Enough. I don't want to hear about it everytime the guy scratches his ass.
- chrisrad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4They (Jobs + Woz) certainly had a weird friendship, I wonder how close they are today..
- joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would have dugg it if the story didn't completely suck. I can give a more insightful description of the ***** I just took - whoever wrote that article is a silly goose.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hate to interrupt your happy little dream, flag, but Woz is a hardware guy, not a software guy.
- Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What is shows is that the things that people bash MS for are not inherently "evil"; if they were such, then it would be wrong for anyone to do them, not just "monopolies". It's not inherently evil to include a browser in an OS (if it is, tell me which of the 10 Commandments that it violates).
That said, Apple does have a monopoly in the mp3 player/online music store biz, and has signed *exclusive* contracts with certain content providers (mostly video content) that prevents those providers from provideing their content on other online stores, thus creating a barrier to entry for those that want to compete against iTMS/iPod. How is that not an abuse of dominant market share to pursuade (or bully, compell, coerce) content providers into making exclusive deals that are meant to protect said dominant market share? - saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Shocking. Engineers without English degrees? Bloggers without editors? What is the world coming to?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1He`s going to work with Ray Ozzie to help the Woz get back at Steve and squash Apple.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Not as fat as your mouth though.
- jamesdwi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I bet that most of the diggs this article receved were given as reflexes, "oooh a story on Woz" CLICK!!
I can see that happening quite easily, there are many Woz fan's and yes I'm one of them. - rytr23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I would have thought is was pretty obvious that once you attain monoply status, you can no longer do certain things you could try doing when you were just a competitor..not really interesting..
- iNoles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Woz was grounded and knew he wanted to be an engineer, while Jobs was a free spririt."
Wow, a typo in the msdn blog site. That's interesting. - scilec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"He shunned the public for the past 20 years, but now he has a book out I seem to come across a story about or video of him almost daily."
I had the chance to listen to Steve Wozniak last week. He spoke at my company before he went to Apple. From what I heard, I don't think that he had any intention of ever "shunning" the public. He was very clear that his love has always lied in Engineering. Before working at Apple, Steve worked at HP. He seemed to have a lot of fond memories of working at HP as an Engineer. Then, after he and Steve Jobs started Apple, he turned down management opportunities because of his love for Engineering.
So the impression that I got was that he simply wanted to continue pursuing that which he loved so much and didn't really have a great interest in being in the public limelight. - catmistake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I wonder about those days. I have marginal recollection from 76-81, and it occurs to me now there were ample opportunities everywhere. A simpler time? They were friends. They were heads of fledgling technology companies. Did MSFT and APPL ever directly compete? If you remove the personalities, could the commercial dynamic (an empty rivalry) between the two compaines be considered a successful archetypal form of enterprise? In the early days at Apple it appears controlled internal war was part of their management style. Could Bill and the two Steves have contrived the next 30 years of business from their proverbial tree house? The myths are important, and every big company has their myths, which are ample to evoke from the mass unconsciousness a resounding "oh, ok," and scarcly question it again. They didn't offer their customers merely a simple and distinct product, but something they nurtured though never endorsed or advertised: a sense of belonging. Sit back and laugh (or cry) when the rug rats you know are suddenly insanely emotional about Cabbage Patch dolls, or Barney, or Pokemon... but maybe that's what happens to everyone at any time in their life – when the right buttons are pushed. They took a fringe technology, one that could have stayed exclusively in the industrial commercialized world, and made everyone get one or want one. I think there's more to the story than our cherished comic book myths.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Woz should hook up with the Ubuntu people and kick the other Steve's butt in the OS war.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+8Lovers.
- sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1And, he got fat.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Woz has to be one of the coolest people on the planet. Nuff said.
- FallibleDragon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Just so everyone is aware, "Apple Micro" doesn't mean Apple Mac. Those came later.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2This is a duplicate of this, posted twelve hours before: http://digg.com/apple/Apple_s_Steve_Wozniak_spends_the_day_at_Microsoft_s_Seattle_campus
- cam18, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3I don't get it. What's wrong with the sentence? Or maybe I'm just really slow... :-)
- cenobyte40k, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2WTF dude?!?! Who gives a crap. Language is there so that we can communicate. I can understand saying excuse me or whatever if you didn't understand, but you understood exactly what he was trying to convey.
We really need to leave this crap off the internet. If you are trying to be helpful then great, otherwise your just a troll.
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