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- cmiller1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26resolution independence, possibly the reincarnation of yellow box, possibly quartz 2d extreme, and as with every update huge additions to their APIs that make developing software a breeze
- hurtle24, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20>The rumor mill has been surprisingly quiet this year.
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Has it? Not from where I'm sitting, lets see, here are some of the rumors that I've heard:
Built in virtualization
Animated icons
Animated desktop
Collaborative documents
New Kernel
Dashboard improvements
Improved UI theme
iPod Home feature
Revamped finder
iChat Tabs
Improved spotlight
Improved voice recognition
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Just to name a few, find more on Leopard Watch - twid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18> not even the orignal beta was free.
Actually, the 10.0 to 10.1 upgrade was free, but none of the others were. - hwh43, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18holy ***** if i hear that lame joke again I'm going to kill somebody...
- birch25, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15nope, 10.5 is a major release. the .1 difference in release numbers make many people think it's just a minor update. the additions in these .1 updates are just about as extensive as the upgrade from XP to Vista.
- tagliare, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15So, aside from an updated iSync and Boot Camp, what else can we expect from Leopard? The rumor mill has been surprisingly quiet this year.
- isosceles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Considering that XP is somewhere between $150 and $300 for the professional version and Apple doesn't mess around with Home/Pro nonsense Apple's prices are always fair. Better yet, Apple offers the Family/5 License pack which I think is one of their best ideas. For less than the price of 2 licenses they let you upgrade 5 machines legally. MS will never catch on...Instead they'll introduce the whole activation process where you have to type in 25 to 50 character strings...
- Scott2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Minor upgrades are free, but major feature upgrades aren't. You would expect to pay for a Windows Vista upgrade if you were using XP, right?
Apple is releasing these updates because they are trying to make money. It is possible to buy OS X subscriptions, but at $129 a copy, its not really that big of a deal. It also gets quite a bit cheaper if you are in education or if you buy a 5 pack. - Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"Built in virtualization"
To me, this is the "Killer App". If I can run a Windows program by just double clicking on it's icon in Finder, and have it work PERFECTLY, then I'm ditching the Dell and going full Apple. - sitryd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"Microsoft first talked about "Longhorn" in July 2001, even before Windows XP's release in October of that year. It was originally expected to ship sometime late in 2003 as a minor step between Windows XP and "Blackcomb" (now known as Windows "Vienna")." - Wikipedia.org
just because Vista got pushed back three years doesn't mean such a long time between upgrades is the way things should work. each 10.x revision of the Mac OS often includes complete rewrites of entire sections of the OS code in addition to new features. they don't just fix bugs or add eye candy from the previous version - barnett25, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11There were more features added from Panther to Tiger than there were from win2k to XP.
- lnxaddct, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10These "updates" are pretty major overhauls with pleny of minor additions as well. OS X 10.4 to 10.5 is a bigger leap than going from Windows 2000 to Windows Vista.
- Arkitan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I hope it doesn't have animated icons/desktop, it would just be distracting.
- shortstack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8parallels allows you to install linux/windows/beos, pretty much any OS, not just windows.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9There's nothing unusual with paying for major upgrades. You have to pay for upgrades of most software. You have to pay for upgrades of Windows. You have to pay for upgrades of OS X.
Maintanance and development of software is expensive and software companies aren't charity. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I bet it still comes out before vista with less hardware requirements
- gsnedders, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yellow Box was what was originally called OPENSTEP Enterprise, that allowed OPENSTEP applications to run on other OSes (Windows NT and Solaris were both supported, IIRC).
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9You can forget about Cocoa on Windows (Yellow Box). It's not going to happen.
-jcr - tabledesk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Because they love their customers.
- NumbCore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Not Necessarily.
They could include it in OS X Leopard without an extra OS, just like many people think that they are going to do that with BootCamp.
It makes no point for them to actually include a windows licence.
But...they could always include Linux. - WhidbeyGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ Chewie67....
What makes you think it will run perfectly? I can't even get Windows to run perfectly on native hardware. - althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@kmedlin
Keep in mind that all security and minor os updates are free. Just like windows updates are free.
The difference you have to understand is the naming conventions. 10.3 to 10.4 is about the same as winxp to vista. Somtime after WWDC apple is likely to have a page on their website all about leopard, if you view that page and compare it with tigers features you will see the vast number of feature, performance, and security additions. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4well, that, and to keep current and cutting edge. windows is supposed to be every 2-3 years (ha!). their timeframe didn't cover all the minor-yet-major advances made in that time, so they released service packs. essentially a gigantic patch filled mostly with bug fixes, they added "new" (aka delayed) features (cd-rom burning from desktoip in sp-1 for exaple).
apple starts over from base code (rather than patching holes in the old os). they include new tech at the fundamental levels, and the end result is a cleaner, slicker, smoother user experience with greater stability, and a greater response time to user suggestions, customer complaints, known issues, etc.
it's a lot more work for apple, and costs plenty of money, but the alternative is windows. so, which do you think is better? the loyal mac owners, the ones who come back year after year, will tell you that this is one of many important reasons we ARE so loyal to apple; because they're loyal to us. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You responded in the wrong area.
- gavintlgold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Like for instance, the version 10.3 doesn't have Dashboard, doesn't have spotlight, has a slightly different and older-looking UI, and quite a few free apps don't support it. (no Automator either, or the newest iChat, etc)
- gavintlgold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And because the new OSes always include lots of new features (like spotlight and Dashboard--they weren't in 10.3)
- stanthegoomba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, XP is architecturally much more similar to Vista than to ME, so the original comparison makes more sense. Same architecture + feature updates.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Here's some rumors I made up about 10.5:
-Revamped Finder (more meta data support, better preview options)
-FrontRow will get iTunes music store support naively inside the GUI for use as a set top box
-Rosetta will get a ton of speed & compatibility fixes
-Dashboard will get new options such as the ability to embed widgets into your desktop or use them as a sidebar, ala Windows Vista.
-iTunes will an IPTV section where users can eventually subscribe to TV networks for live feeds and sporting events.
-Safari will get anti-Phising spport and other security updates -- possibly even some sort of preemptive anti-spyware technology.
-Apple Remote Desktop will see a big overhaul, including on the fly resolution switching, disk sharing, sound mapping, etc.
-iChat will offer some level of native VOIP support. Either directly from Apple or in a partnership with another VOIP provider.
-FrontRow will get the ability to use Dashboard widgets (they're perfect for a set top box UI) - The_Larch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6duh. of course they are. That's the point. That's why they pushed it back this year.
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think its innacurate to say 10.3 to 10.4 is the same as winxp to vista. Perhaps its more like 10.1 to 10.4 is like winxp to vista. Think about it. Vista is getting most of the features that were new in 10.4, but not even all of them. And 10.1 was quite comparable to what windows xp is offering. So although its true that when microsoft does update its os its far reaching. It does not make any technological advances past what apple already has out on the market. If it did make advances in vista far beyond os x, I would be using my pc more.
Funny thing is, vista still doesn't quite include everything 10.4 offers and Apple will be on 10.5 by the time vista ships. Microsoft will always be playing catch up because Apple works harder to get its customers the latest and greatest new features every 12 months. Microsoft gets you the latest new features every 5 years. - cmyk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Arkitan:
Unless they somehow made it practical. I can see animation being used in subtle ways, like rolling over an icon makes it glow or pulse... have some kind of feedback on the desktop itself. Who knows what's possible, as long as it's an option, let's figure out how to exploit it in ways that make sense and look good. Otherwise, I'm sure there'll be a way to turn it off. - Scott2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Actually, the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 was free. Apple decided to do this as a bonus for early adopters, as 10.0 was nearly unusable, and 10.1 was better.
- mh10190, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Im hoping for...
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Stream lined UI
Embed VLC codec support in iTunes/Quicktime/Front Row
A podcasting model used for TV shows on iTunes, with an Advertising model
The TV shows will come in a special file format, that knows where it is being played
TV - HD/iPod - Standard/iPod Video - Widescreen Standard
Embed Adium network support in iChat, and VOIP capabilities (soft phone for other services)
A Complete PIM Solution offering, by updating - Mail/iCal/Addressbook and add Tasks , Stickies,RSS
Safari - build more FF tech in it
Have all of the PIM info and Safari info, and other system data oraganized in a new advanced syncing system. iSync, it should be able to connect Computers, Websites (Gcal), Devices and sync all info across
Upgraded Dashboard
Re-written Spotlight
Finder - completly overhauld and designed around spotlight
NextStep had this app bundled with it, it was like automator. It helped you deisgn your own apps. I think that is coming, a new UI for Automator. And Dashcode, the simple widget maker.
Animated icons, new expose, and task switcher.
A new kernel, cleaned up and optimized.
New ZFS file system. (awsome)
Multiple desktops.
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Alright, this is my virtualization/windows predictions
I think that Apple has something that we havnt thought of yet up their sleeves. and this is what makes sense to me.
Boot Camp is great, but the prob is that it is inconvenient to reboot everytime you need windows.
On the other hand, Parallels, or something like paralles from apple, would be
1) nothing new, it is available now
2) still slow for the main reason to get it, gaming.
So this is what i am thinking they will do
They have the rights to the Win32 api (the deal they had with MSFT when steve came back)
So i think they will have a Boot Camp utility that will install, in a certain area of the Mac OS services tier, a striped down Windows XP. With all of the unessizsary parts of it not running. And only certain parts virualized. It will be like Wine on Crack for OS X. So when you want to install a Game, it will run inside of Mac OS X, in a Windows XP window. Or if you want to run outlook, it will work the same way.
They have to strip down windows, run the parts that it can nativly, and the other parts virtualized. That is the perfect balance of Virtual and Native.
The performance will be smack in the middle. and wityh the new Duos, you wont tell the differnce - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2apple will most likely lisence parallels ala os classic. further development may provide virtualization that behaves like a transparent Win32 layer. this is probablly just the in-between stages.
of all the rumor mills, and of how wildly people like to speculate about apple's developments, i'm surprised i haven't heard more on the issue aside from a few minor murmurs here and there.
to really compete with windows, os x has to be able to do whatever windows does, without being or containing windows. for the time being, they can just pre-install paralells and claim it's for using your "other OSs." that way they're not officially saying you should put windows on it, but more like, "oh, by the way it can also do this if you set it up, etc."
it's a big mess, and why they haven't done it undoubtedly has to do with the secret developments to come. but with paralells, boot camp, and the intel platform, how long do you really think it will take for apple to iron out all the details until we have on, clean, slick mac that runs any os? prolly not too long.
it's fun to see the development process, but i think we should all remember to be patient. once the end product is presented, then we can all make a final judgment about it true merits. who knows? the annals of history may look back on this as a terrible idea, or the best idea ever. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Actually, the 10.0 to 10.1 upgrade was free, but none of the others were."
Thats because Apple knew 10.0 was crap and didn't want people to go back to OS 9, come on, if you used 10.0, then you know its true. - djscooterb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would like to see iChat have a "blackboard" style collaboration tool so you could have real-time doodling or diagramming between users. Slingin' back and forth documents is one thing, but having some tools to hold a real, interactive meeting via iChat would really help in an enterprise situation. Pointing my iSight at a whiteboard isn't cutting it. I want everyone to see it and potentially draw on it too.
- awoodhouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If they license Parallels - which I've paid for - I assume I'll get the upgrade for reduced cost. It's good but I won't be happy paying for it twice.
- eridius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, you wish they would, but it makes no sense for Apple to do this. One of the strengths of the Apple platform is the great softwre available for it, and the fantastic APIs and developer tools. By making these available for Windows Apple would be doing themselves a huge disservice.
- gandubhalla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would really like a good VOIP app but I am not signing with dot mac. I use Skype but that doesn't integrate with the rest of the system well.
- mitcha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've been waiting to hear more about 10.5, and it looks like we are just a little over a month away. Hopefully there aren't any huge changes to the interface. I'm pretty happy with the current look of the OS.
- gandubhalla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This has been known for months??????
http://www.ipodhub.net/articles/20060418wwdc_explore_leopard.html - eneville, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@NSResponder: I know you're somewhat of an insider into most things Apple. Other than the potential support issues (and I certainly don't discount these) , I can't see why they wouldn't want to push such a great cross platform framework. Doesn't mean I think they'll (re)roll it out, but I really wish they would.
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe "apple works harder" isn't the best way to phrase it. It's more like, because microsoft has to support a myriad of hardware it has to spend multitudes more time developing its os just to get the same features. I apologize about the "works harder" comment, that was elitest.
- weareglass, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Well, it's sort of inaccurate to compare the OS X version jumps to Windows' version jumps. Apple follows the strategy of more frequent updates with incremental, evolving changes, while MS updates are infrequent but far-reaching. I think Apple's model is superior because they can react quicker to market changes and innovations come out more quickly. That said, if MS weren't a huge, hulking beast of a company I'm sure they'd prefer to do things differently.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can't wait until it comes out and I get to buy it from my schools own little apple store
just to give an example of how cheap it will be, I bought iLife '06 and iWork '06 for $20 each - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Link to "Leopard Watch"? Google just throws up a bunch of spam pages.
- kmedlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That makes sense. I wasn't slamming Mac OSX like people seemed to think! I was just curious about why every 18 months there was a new ~$100 update when I haven't paid a dollar in upgrades since 2002 for XP. If they're major updates like everyone indicates, that's awesome. I still think creating a subscription process would be cool though to help ammortize those upgrade costs.
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3maybe not WinXp to Vista (Mac os 9 - Mac os X). More like WinMe to WinXp
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2iChat tabs is already accomplished with Chax
http://www.ksuther.com/chax/ - weareglass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5I think the Boot Camp aspect of Leopard is less interesting than what else it will have to offer. If Apple's been good about their secrecy then who knows what they could be unveiling? I'll take a surprise over details on a known rumor anyday.
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