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- sputnike, on 10/11/2008, -5/+44I've found Intel's integrated graphics products to work pretty well, but NVIDIA would be a nice change. Man I remember when they used ATI's back in the day :)
- vmcomputer, on 10/12/2008, -12/+48This, plus the rumored $800 notebook, are going to change some things in the personal computer markets.
- Daiken, on 10/12/2008, -1/+31It's unfortunate they can't use ATI anymore considering they do currently have the best integrated graphics solution imo.
- fluffyturtle, on 10/12/2008, -6/+31I know Mac users aren’t really hardware enthusiasts so let me share what this really means.
The good news is it will reduce the price of the systems.
The bad news is that mobile chipsets are Intel’s specialty. What I mean by this is support and reliability (support being updates etc) are pretty much unsurpassed. So you are taking a step back in this regard. Also if you have followed Nvidia’s chipsets for even a single generation they are known to usually have a bug of some kind, data corruption, broken features, you name it. They typically run hot and consume more power too.
Now I am not trying to rain on anyone’s parade here and I have nothing against Nvidia, back when AMD was the best bang for the buck Nvidia had the best chipsets in town and arguably still does for AMD. Unfortunately the simple fact is that this will be a step back in a few areas but a step forward in bringing the price of macbooks down.
Nothing kept them from using an Intel chipset with an Nvidia GPU so there is no gain here in that regard.
“This should make it easier to emulate a mac now.”
Err what? Why would this help in that regard? It actually hurts it in some ways as people will have to start from square one with the new distros.
With anything being on the table one could even assume they went with Nvidia because they were going to be cheaper to make a mac specific locks-out-hackintosh’s-of-the-future motherboard.
'Tis a bittersweet move. - FriedTurkey, on 10/12/2008, -36/+58Does this mean the average joe can finally afford a Mac laptop? Apple needs to stop overpricing their ***** in this economy.
Go ahead and digg me down you Apple fanboys. You know you have to because you can't afford to do anything else because you are brainwashed to buy a new version of every Apple product that Steve Jobs ***** out. - IpwnZnoobs, on 10/12/2008, -3/+23Would you shut up
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -4/+24Pretty cool. This is relevant to my interests.
- MyNameIsGusto, on 10/12/2008, -9/+25Average Joe still can't afford it, but Joe Six Pack can!
- AzureRise, on 10/12/2008, -1/+15I'll give you 300 dollars for it.
- AlexHarazim, on 10/12/2008, -7/+21*Looks down at new MacBook Pro I just bought*
What the *****? - ChunkerMunker, on 10/12/2008, -5/+16So buying a superior product in its class (according to many experts) is stupid?
Easier to use
Safer to use
Easier to maintain
Longer life expectancy
Better resale value
Better compatibility right out of the box
More powerful than its similarly specced (is that the proper pronunciation?) counterparts
Can run more apps
Now, is it perfect? NO
But its vastly superior than a winpc and easier to maintain and operate than a linux box, so yeah....... its customers are idiots. - protogenxl, on 10/12/2008, -2/+12Apple must have gotten a discount for all those GPU failures
- SilverBlade2k, on 10/12/2008, -5/+15About time. Intel graphics are only good for the landfill. No point to them at all. With an Intel graphic chip, the system is severely limited. Can't do most games, any 3D modeling app, and nothing else beyond e-mail and word processing.
- phunlee, on 10/12/2008, -0/+10I think you'll be okay. But, you didn't read any of the DIGG Laptop-rumor stories in the last two to three months?
- scy1192, on 10/12/2008, -3/+13I'm from the grammar police, we'll take it from here.
- thebrain1288, on 10/12/2008, -1/+10And then committed one of your own...
- raydeen, on 10/12/2008, -0/+8Do you even know the difference between a chipset and an operating system??!! A Mac isn't going to get malware just because of it's hardware. Trust me, you're still safe and you've got better parts under the hood now.
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -2/+10I did not bother to spell check it.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2008, -0/+7Apple Computers are priced at what the market will bear. Just because you don't want to pay that price, don't complain. Do I wish Macs were less expensive? Sure I do, but since I only replace them every 3 to 5 years it really isn't that big of a deal.
Example: My kid's iMac G5 will soon need replacing. I'll wait for the next product refresh and grab a refurb for 15 to 30% off. Probably end up costing me around $800 to 1100 and they'll use it throughout at least my older son's high school years (He's a freshman now). I don't find that to be unreasonable but of course if you just MUST replace your computer or all of it's components every year then you probably don't want to buy Macs. If that's what you do however, don't complain about price as you'll be spending more than I will over 4 years. - livelifenaked, on 10/12/2008, -1/+8I laughed so hard when I saw "speeled specificially."
- Urkel, on 10/12/2008, -3/+10To declare "this is going to change things" then you need to be the first to do it. Nvidia in a mid-range notebook has been done since 2005 so what exactly is making this so game changing?
- subtle, on 10/12/2008, -1/+7Specifically, sparky, specifically. And, of course, spelled. Never mind, you're good at math, right?
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2008, -0/+6@ThMadlib
What graphic chip sets or boards that they use in Macs has a lot to do with how much the manf is willing to create or update drivers to work in OS X. Everyone keeps talking about how Windows runs all this different hardware without understanding that Microsoft does not make the drivers for that hardware. Of course having over an 85% market-share helps, but it isn't up to Apple (or Linux) to make those drivers. If they want to sell hardware to people on other platforms, they have to make that hardware friendlier with better drivers. - rowlodge, on 10/12/2008, -2/+8so this thing can handle "motion" ?
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -1/+6Okay, now Apple has my attention.
I've always wanted a laptop that doesn't look like a plastic trainwreck, but MacBooks ain't cheap, and sorry, but Intel's graphics suck for gaming. If you're telling me that I well be able to buy a MacBook that supports XP, runs on NVIDIA, and only costs $800 ... Dell is in trouble with their $799 Inspiron. - Radan, on 10/12/2008, -0/+5Well, if you are gaming on your computer a lot, I wouldn't recommend you to buy a Mac, and I'm saying this as a hardcore Apple fan.
- fugazied, on 10/12/2008, -0/+5You Betcha!
- NathanCH, on 10/12/2008, -2/+7I was going to digg you up because I agree. Until you threw in the "Apple Fanboys". You're no better.
- ElAmo, on 10/12/2008, -1/+6bad choice. apple is about to go up, considering the new notebooks that will be formally announced on tuesday.
- somestranger26, on 10/12/2008, -2/+6Oh sorry, sir. But I believe your comment is implying that NVIDIA's integrated graphics chipsets are first off better than Intel ones, and second off that they can suddenly handle games and 3D modeling. Except that NVIDIA's IGPs are just as ***** as Intel's and won't magically let you do everything you can with discrete graphics. If you want to play games and such, you either get an ATI IGP (still pretty limited) or you pay up and get discrete graphics.
- raydeen, on 10/12/2008, -0/+4I wouldn't hold your breath for a gaming laptop at $800. That would totally kill the Pro line of laptops. I would think the best hope would be that WoW won't look like total crap like it does now on a MacBook. The old iBook G4s had better rendering in WoW than the MacBooks did due to the ATI chip. The newer Nvidia chips will hopefully look just as good if not better. I doubt that the high end versions of the chip will make it into the sub $1000 dollar model though. You'll get WoW but not Crysis. ;)
- fluffyturtle, on 10/12/2008, -0/+4Comments like this don't make any sense. There isn't anything stopping you from having a gaming mac this very moment with a Intel chipset and a third party GPU.
- al3xman, on 10/12/2008, -0/+3What?
- rowlodge, on 10/12/2008, -2/+5every time i'm about to buy a nvidia graphics card for my pc,it seems the reviews say they have an overheating problem or the fan is too loud, so i wait a little longer.
- orph3us, on 10/12/2008, -0/+3I dont know about that. The IGP for the new macbooks is said to be based on the 9300 from nvidia. While not the best card, it is one of the latest. 9400 would be nice but that will probably make it into some of the low end macbook pros? Anyway, an nvidia 9300 IGP would be a big improvement over the Intel IGP's.
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -10/+13Really? My Mac Pro is cheaper than the Dell alternative.
- Jeremyz0r, on 10/12/2008, -0/+3But can it play Crysis?
- WomensUnderwear, on 10/12/2008, -0/+3Joe Six Mac
- phunlee, on 10/12/2008, -0/+3Thank you. You started out a little sarcastic, but it was with an honest heart and I appreciate it.
This announcement comes perfectly timed as I was ready to purchase a Macbook 2 months ago when I heard the announcement was coming. If the price on these is lowered well enough, I think it would be a safe choice to purchase the extended Applecare, which, if I'm not mistaken should take care of any bugs or hardware hiccups along the way. Apple is also kind of known for pretty good support (i.e. "My Laptop is broken and still under warranty" Apple: "Here's a new one!") For a lot of people sending it in and waiting for a new one, etc, is a pain in the ass. I'm lucky enough to have a back up tower and never trust my information and data in one source (seriously, you're just asking for it if you do..am I right?). I'm not afraid to send it back if it crashes on me twice in the same day.
Thanks again for the breakdown, the rest was just me patting myself on the back for my timing and choices. - TheMadlib, on 10/12/2008, -4/+7Mac's should keep up with the market and adopt what is the best graphics solution at that time and review the hardware upgrade option more frequently.
- univerio, on 10/12/2008, -1/+4Sweet, now I can install OS X on my PC without hunting around for working chipset drivers. Hooray for the osx86 community!
- Tayls, on 10/12/2008, -0/+3My MacBook burns my balls as is. It's going to be a nice, toasty winter.
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -0/+2Cool for gamers and 3d modelers obviously I OTH don't care that much because the only gaming I do is casual gaming in Quake III and Porsche Unleashed under Parallels. That's what happens when you become an old fart. Now git off my lawn. :)
- K4emic, on 10/12/2008, -0/+2I concur, the guy above you should go take a piss somewhere else.
But there is something that keeps mac from being a gaming-platform: Software. - inactive, on 10/12/2008, -0/+2You are really stupid
- schrutefan, on 10/12/2008, -2/+4Um wasn't nVidia the one with all those faulty GPUs?
- fugazied, on 10/12/2008, -0/+2I had an Nvida chipset on a PC mobo about 2 years back, buggy with the on-board audio, lots of driver issues. But I guess because it's Apple they will address any hardware compatibility issues long before it gets out the door. That's one of the reasons I love my MBP, I don't have to worry about chipsets, drivers, registrys and hardware conflicts.
- Tenoq, on 10/12/2008, -0/+2I don't think NVIDIA's hardware reliability is the problem - as many have said, if you've got a warranty it's a moot point. The bugs are more of an issue; and by that I mean the bugs that cannot be fixed or NVIDIA just aren't interested in fixing. Remember nForce2 and the USB 2.0 glitches with certain chipsets (genesys, IIRC?)? What about nForce3 and it's "We'll support Vista, no we won't, yes we will, no we won't" fiasco?
IMO the ATi/AMD platform is a better choice now in terms of integrated graphics, but obviously that's not going to happen any time soon for Apple (or AMD). As others have said though, at least you'll get a decent GPU out-of-the-box. - raydeen, on 10/12/2008, -0/+2The low end X86 Macs introduced in '06 used Intel IGPs mostly for cost cutting reasons. ATI and Nvidia chips generally add more cost to the system build as they are generally more functional chips. This has been my one sticking point with the MacBook. Up until now that is. Just please, for the love of all that's holy, add some more vents to the new ones. The old ones got hot enough without a decent graphics card.
- solistus, on 10/12/2008, -0/+2What the hell does Intel's experience with USB or the needs of *audio streaming* devices have to do with whether or not to use Intel for integrated graphics processing? Are you claiming that only Intel has the expertise needed to, um, make a graphics chip that won't somehow break USB? Also, I've *never* seen a product not made by Intel that recommended an integrated graphics chip over the available alternatives for anything, ever.
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