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- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -9/+42Apple's taking a hint from the tobacco industry: hook 'em while they're young.
- MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -8/+33eMac 2.0, the horror.
- Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24The eMac wasn't so bad, was it? It was pretty much an old CRT iMac. Not bad, just not cutting edge.
They could do well with an enlarged Mac Mini to remove the need for more expensive notebook parts. 3.5" hard drive, standard size optical drive, desktop cpu, plastic enclosure instead of aluminum. All those things could reduce costs somewhat.
Call it the Mac. Then when the G5 tower replacements come out we'd have Mac Pro, Mac, Mac mini. Makes sense to me.
(Was meant as a reply to MoeB's "eMac 2.0, the horror." comment) - BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24pilot3033, believe me, the last people I blame are the tobacco industry. Those guys are class acts all the way.
- AhronZombi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17lets pray its a resonably priced laptop. the macbook and macbook pro are skateing the edge when it comes to poor kids these days
- lilrabbit129, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14The business world rejects? There are countless articles on professionals using OSX and co-existing in a PC environment.
Honestly does it even matter what OS they use in elementary or middle school? I mean yes I would like it to be OSX, but that's not what they're really learning. After you learn the basic navigation (double-click, folders, etc..) What do they really interact with? Office. They learn Office, they get a good start. - cwoolf34, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15I can't wait for the kids to be pushing pens through the LCDs, Yeaaaa!!!! Lets put candy bars in the slot loading combo drive!!! Oh, wait that already happens with the iBooks.
- Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I thought the elementry system was poor because it was underbudgeted, too short in the day, with unmotivated teachers, poor parents, and a nanny like government.
If anything the computers are provideing the most motivation for the kids to succeed. I know I wouldn't be where I am today if my elementry school didn't have a computer lab with macs running OS 7.2 or something, along with zoombinis, because that is what made me interested in computers, before that there was just nintendo, which was viewed as an appliance. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6one thing i like about the eMac is that it weighs a friggin ton... in other words, they can't get ripped off... we are putting minis in labs now (i work at a high school), because they don't sell the eMac, but now we have to buy a bunch of locking cables to make sure that they don't get stolen... from my experience the students will steal anything possible, and a 5lb mini is definately easy to put in a backpack... i mean, they steal apple puck mice, and those are next to worthless...
- Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"and the current iMac? for the midway computer for the family? The Mid-Mac?"
Aha! But the iMac is a class of it's own. i for integrated.
Integrated screen: iMac.
Separate screen: Mac mini, Mac, Mac Pro.
Notebook: Macbook, Macbook Pro.
(Yes, I'm making it up as I go. Mostly because I want a bigger Mac Mini) - pilot3033, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Can't blame 'em if it works.
- super_spyder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6it doesn't matter if you learn mac or pc, Office is Office Adobe CS is adobe CS. The programs are more important to learn than the operating system, and more important still is the concepts. I learned how to edit on a pc using avid, and now I edit on a mac using final cut, its all the same stuff.
- mkpeaches, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=17979
a rumor 6 days after what i said w00t - pero69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4funny enough--I think powerschool was just bought by pearson. Which if you've dealt with any of their older products (CCC Math), you hate them. I just hope they don't trash powerschool.
- Gardenhead, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I wish people would put rumor in the title, it'd be nice.
- henryaj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Please keep your homophobia to yourself in future.
- pero69, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"And they wonder why we continue to have such a poor (elementary) education system. The rest of the world is getting their children ready for the competitive world and we want to burden our children with a computer and OS that the business world rejects? Yay America."
I completely agree. I think we should have the youth of America on machines highly susceptible to virii and spyware so that by the time they reach maturity, we won't have to teach them sex-ed because they'll already know it all from the porn pop ups caused by malware. - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If everyone in out school knew how to use a Mac, the school would but Intel iMacs by the dozen for the 4 computer labs. Not the cheapo kind. With CS2 loaded on all of em.
But. Schoola have space. no need to put small hardware. a Tower that comes with a monitor would be better. and it must be vandal proof... I hate it when ppl stick pencils in the optical drive on brand new computers for the heck of it. - h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the ibook if available through edu, is simply that way until they trickle out the remaining stock cheap to students.. it's a convenience, nothing more.
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Likely to be a cheap Intel Mac with Core Solo. Hey, I'd get one, I have the EDU discount. They may open it to the public later though. When eMac came out, you could only buy it through the EDU store (much like the iBook now). Later on, they sold it to the public, changing it from "educationMac" to "economicMac".
Considering that the iBook is only available to buy if you log in through the EDU store, it's possible they'll replace this with a cheap, Core Solo laptop. - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I'd rather have my child use an apple than a pc, it makes it easy to share your work and keeps your documents consistent even if they switch from one mac to another. I think they are a great tool when it comes to teach children to work as a group (because that is how it's going to be in the real world), since sharing your work is so easy. Also Office is available for it so they will know all the office apps if they DECIDE to work in the corprate world, since you've already labeled everyone as a corprate whore. They are also used in programing, music, video, science, architecture, engineering, design, 3D animation etc at least i know my child won't become some lemming and will be able to decide what they want to do in the future.
- nesagwa, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7But the Art and Design world embraces.
Which is it going to be? - artman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I have an eMac, got it in January. My 5 year old iMac finally died (actually a friend has it and it's still running) and I needed a new one fast. I had the money and went for it. Thing's built like a tank, fast and has all the tools I need for graphic, web and video work.
I know some are wondering why not wait and get a new Intel iMac? One's a software issue and another was that I also am wary of the new iMacs or anything from Apple with slot drives (thats what finally broke on the old iMac). I might get over that and put enough money away for a MacBook.
Why aren't the Mac Minis appealing to schools though? They are perfect for that.
eMac
PowerPC G4 1.42 GHz
1 GB RAM
SuperDrive
OS X 10.4.6
/and lovin it - buckaroo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8"The departure away from CRT displays and towards pricier flat-screens means that Apple will have to carefully balance its component costs and shave as much as possible off the computer's bill-of-materials if it plans to hit a home run with educational institutions"
Translation: No Thermal Paste! - bellmor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3OS X Server using Open Directory is the solution. Network logins, managed preferences, and even integrates into an Active Directory. Or you could just make the Macs apart of an Active Directory, this is supported out of the box on OS X Clients.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Apple should be releasing the product NOW (or better yet, last month), not revealing that they're working on it. Schools are putting together their '06-'07 school year budgets and ordering stuff NOW. This is just like that fiasco with the iMac G5 a couple of years ago. If they had come out with *those* at the right time, I wouldn't be dealing with over a hundred of these fracking Dells at my campus.
- aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3More Mac Labs is always a good thing, I think I got my best work done in them.
- pero69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Actually, Mac Minis are the last thing I would want in this school. Enough mice come up missing--I would hate to have highly portable entire machines come up missing because they fit perfectly into a backpack. Plus, there's the fact that there are PC Labs and Mac labs. The labs get replaced in cycles. If i'm replacing a lab of macs, I probably don't already have monitors there. Essentially, it's cheaper for me to buy the $600 eMac instead of a mini + keyboard/mouse/monitor.
- pero69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Do you really know what you're talking about? With the pace that technology changes at, your kids won't be using the same programs in the "real world" that they used in high school anyways. What schools are meant to teach are concepts. Keyboarding is the same either way, Microsoft office applications are the same either way, Teaching programming languages is concepts that transfer over to other languages, CAD can now be run on a mac within Windows. (Quite well i might add) backwards and non standard...? These machines can now do anything. They can run Linux, they can run windows, they can run OS X. In other words, the machines are capable of training a child to go into any field of employment and can run ANY application that you need them to. The only disservice that's occurred is the one you've done by not letting your children experience the possibilities.
"I Like swiss cheese. That's all you get Billy." - joshwehatetech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As I have said over and over again....they need a tower unit that isn't integrated into a monitor. It needs to be an actual tower (or workstation) and needs to be as much if not less than the mini. The mini time you get a 3 year warranty on it and buy everything is going to cost you over $1000 a unit. Most schools if they are purchasing new units are not spending that kind of money (a lot are purchasing refurbs). Was recently working with a school that bought brand new Optis from Dell for around $400 a unit (was a 3.2 Ghz with 512MB of RAM). Schools are hurting for money, only large suburbs of major cities have money to spend on Macs.
- pero69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4i'm glad you said that. I just replied with something similar above. Another good thing about the eMac was that it came with everything you needed. Keyboard/mouse/crt. Didn't have to buy the "extras"
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I thought anything about apple "developing" something is automatically a rumor, since it's not official untill you see it on their homepage or in stores.
- t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah. God no! I'm a mac fan, but the eMacs were not quite up to their apple standard...
- coolbru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How would you prefer your kids to learn (in any subject)? The 'right' way, or the shortcut, low-quality, pretend-you-know-it, cheat-in-your-exams route? Practicality should play a part, but not to the exclusion of the bigger picture. We all just take for granted such travesties of modern technology as Windows' total disregard for metadata - but that doesn't mean that it's a good thing, and we shouldn't teach anyone that it is.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@BloodJunkie:
http://www.picfury.com/16/AppleStore-1.html
You need to get the Steve Jobs AltarPro then. - t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Obviously you've never even used Mac OS X Server.
- aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And you wonder why your son hates you.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2actually it's PowerSchool.
http://www.apple.com/powerschool/ - fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They secure our minis down with the kensington (?) security cables so that kids don't get any ideas.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@pants428
Put a script that emails the IP of the thief the moment he logs onto the Web with stolen computer. - t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You have got to be one of two things. Either trolling, or a complete idiot.
- tuxuser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1emac was switched to every one mac not what you xaw said
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2My school has PCs and Mac Minis under the desk. If you prefer it, u hook up the Mini to the monitor and use it. the PC keyboard, Mouse, and Monitor is alrdy there. But they are all PPC mac minis. sucks
- cstrippie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This really does seem a no-brainer: the core solo mac mini innards and a 17" LCD (non-widescreen to save on costs)...stick it all in a case pretty enough for "The Steve," and you have a really sweet EduMac.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@pero69:
Not to mention NovaNet... thet is truly a piece of junk... - fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah they are a pain. The motherboard is wrapped around the CRT in different circuit boards, the hard drive is in the very center of the eMac itself (right underneath the CRT). Then you have to remove the "storage caddy" which holds both the cd and hard drive slot. From there on it's just reverse order, but a mighty pain in the arse it is.
http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/emac/ - csipod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Personally I think the MacBook (minus the dumb name) is damn near the perfect machine for students. Light durable, portable, runs OS X, Windows, Solaris, Linux, basically anything you'd want, PLUS any weird ***** some professor insists you have to use for that one essay he'll fail you on regardless.
It'd be nice if the new eMac is a smaller cheaper laptop. Till then, getting a MacBook for the cheapest price (http://www.notebooks4free.com/default.aspx?r=656698) is probably the best option for students...including this one. - fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ya, our school uses powerschool. slow as hell to load a class up for grades/attendance, but i love being able to log in on the web and check my grades. also, it makes the office's job of recording attendance easier so they can play solitaire etc.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So it could be called eBook? Interesting...
- Photar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We just buy iMacs and iBooks for my high shool. This year, we're buying about 100 iMacs and 100 MacBooks.
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