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- spinxter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+86Even if it wasn't listed, DivX and Xvid are interoperable. You only need one codec installed to watch both formats.
- djh816, on 10/12/2007, -1/+67AVI, FLV (that's right, YouTube videos), 3ix, DivX, Flash Screen Video, MS-MPEG4, Sorenson H.263, Truemotion VP6, Xvid and AVI support for AAC & ACL audio.
Just download and put into quicktime's components folder:
http://perian.org/ - Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31titlesaysitall:
Mpeg4 is a standard for compressing video, Divx, Xvid and h264 all use it. h264 could be considered the next generation of compression, it's very high quality but also intensive on the CPU. Divx is still a fairly good compression ratio, and is playable on most computers, but for high definition content h264 is pretty strongly recommended. Xvid is a open source implementation of divx, i think. - aisoku, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Isn't DivX listed on the components page as well?
- cocoamix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I wish Apple would go back to doing component updates the way they used to, where you could just check a box and automatically download all the components at once. I hate having to go to each website and grabbing them and installing them individually.
- Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Amusingly, clicking the "xvid solutions" logo takes you to http://divx.com ;)
- Xorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16timdigg, OGM is a container, not a codec.
- StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20I just got dumber from reading those comments.
- macslut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Quix,
The problem is that many of us have extensive libraries of legal content that was already compressed with Xvid. Also since Xvid is one of the most, if not the most, popular format on Bittorrent, many people offering legal content on Bittorrent are choosing it over h.264. CPU efficiency of course is another reason to go Xvid. In addition, there are many people with nonPods, DVD players and other devices (like TVisto) that play legal Xvid files.
It would be *VERY* nice if Apple accepted Xvid's status the same way that it did with MP3s. Hopefully, this is a step in that direction.
BTW: This is coming from someone who prefers AAC to MP3, and H.264 to Xvid, but would greatly appreciate the interoperability. I wouldn't have bought an iPod if Apple didn't fully support MP3s and I'm holding off on the Apple TV until either (if) H.264 becomes dominant, or Apple fully supports Xvid (hacks not withstanding). - Jazazze, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Yes, it is.
- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20now if they could only do OGM....
ya know for that one random ogm I have....
that I downloaded....like...3 years ago... - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16masterkenobi, I think the problem with your post is that your solution works on Windows. No one on Windows gives two ***** what Quicktime supports. On Macs, QT is used for a lot of (for example) media desktops and basically everywhere except VLC and the like where movies need to be played.
- JJCDAD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Hopefully this will make Bill more jealous of Steve. DivX support on the XBOX360 must be right around the corner.
Hooray for competition. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18What is the difference between Xvid, Divx and something like MPEG4 or H.264?
- kardiss, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15For the first time I've just realized Xvid is Divx written backwards! Divx open source = Xvid, oooooooooooooohh!
- StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11just google for "quicktime 7 serial". It's extraordinarily easy to pirate.
- masterkenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@StarManta
Thank you, you are one of the few that actually make reasonable, rational replies and not just digg me down without cause (aka the "Digg down ninjas").
Yes, I realize now that I was replying with the Windows OS in mind, so I was in error.
On that note, I'll leave you Mac users to it. - 12Iceman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13A good first step, but what I really want to see is Xvid support in the video iPod (and a widescreen iPod to go along with it).
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20I hate it when people say FTW.
- tomhung, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I have not bought an ipod because of its lack of Xvid / Divx support..... I have enough steps to get my pirated movies off the net.. i dont need to convert it to MPEG4 too...
- resprung, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Xvid does blindingly good 2-pass encodes, plus it's open-source.
It gets first or second place in most codec shootouts:
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-main-105-1.htm
...and it decodes and creates "DivX" content too.
So it's the workhorse codec of choice for both the illegal and legal video community.
Xvid most certainly needs to go into the apple tv, especially since the iTunes movie store has empty shelves in all other territories than the US. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Quix, Sanchez, all
Thanks for the responses! - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14What's all the Xvid/DivX hype about? Isn't h.264 generally shown to provide much better visual quality at equivalent bitrates? http://www.xile.net/xvid_vs_x264/ (@ titlesaysitall, the link will help answer your question, beyond what Sanchez said (seeing is believing))
And can we really expect Apple (or MS for that matter) to get behind Xvid when it's pretty much only wanted by those who download their video content illegally? After all, if you're ripping your own DVDs, use h.264. If you're buying iTunes content, you have no worries. If you're bittorrenting all your stuff, well, I guess you'll demand Xvid. And Apple (and MS) will mostly ignore your pleas. - Fantt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Anything that you can play in Quicktime can be exported to the AppleTV. Just open the file, go to File>Export and choose Export as AppleTV.
I watched the latest Dr Who on my AppleTV just fine using this yesterday. The export process takes a while, but it works. - tensor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6All we need now is Quicktime to pass-thru AC3.
- etandrib, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Umm. You've been able to do this for a long time… they just put a link on the product page.
- darksheer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Don't expect to see support for this on AppleTV any time soon. Remeber, Apple has to walk a fine line here between giving consumers what they want and not pissing off the television studios he relies on to supply content to the iTunes Store. If the AppleTV were to support the common formats that are available for download via bittorrent, the studios could claim AppleTV is just another piracy device.
I'm glad they're supporting these things, but I don't see support coming any time soon--at least not on AppleTV. - sparty1969, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I just hope they make the move to support xvid on iPod. Getting tired of converting everything to .mp4
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5hows abouts xvid for iPod? I couldn't give two ***** about any other format as xvid is the "official" scene format
- StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4gcleaves: I saw on Digg that installing the Perian codec pack on AppleTV works just fine.
http://www.digg.com/apple/XviD_fully_functional_on_Apple_TV - klaarn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5has anyone else noticed that the xvid logo links to divx.com? whoops...
- mesostinky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Oh BS. That's like saying if they support mp3 they are support piracy. A file format means nothing on its own and the ONLY reason Apple doesn't support it is they want your money. They want you to buy videos from their store period.
"If the AppleTV were to support the common formats that are available for download via bittorrent, the studios could claim AppleTV is just another piracy device."
Again mp3s are on Bittorent, jpgs are on Bittorent. Why does AppleTV support them?
Should Apple not sells computers anymore because people may use they to pirate media? Stop repeating MPAA and RIAA propoganda and stop making excuses for Apple. - cleverboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Here's something few people have considered. Apparently, according to rumors, Apple is working on updates to AppleTV right now.
They'll be adding in RSS and weather support, much like NetGear's Digital Entertainer HD (such the mouthful as it is). With such updates on the horizon, its also conceivable that they could easily add support for different music/video formats if they wanted. But, I guess the real question, is HOW far they might consider "updating" the AppleTV software, for existing customers, before requiring a fee to do so. MacOS for desktop gets a number of updates before every paid iteration hits.
How many updates and to what magnitude will Apple extend to current AppleTV owners? I think its in the interest of adoption for them to extend it quite a bit before that time. Without much hullabaloo, they could easily release a major update that could resolve many of the often cited short-comings of the device. I get the impression that there will be quite a lot of convergence news unleashed in June. I can almost hear the clamor already, clear over here in April.
I'm taking odds on Apple allowing iPhone to be a remote control, and touchscreen controls slipping into Leopard. Talk to Guido, tell him CB sent you. By the end of the year, I think the 4 teirs of Apple's empire will be positively incestuous (Macintosh, AppleTV, iPod, iPhone).
If adding video formats helps this along... I think Apple's all for it, as long as they don't have to pay too much in licensing. - zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You don't need AppleTV to what apple TV does. If you look around on the net there are a tons of stuff out there will do MORE then AppleTV does.
Media Extenders are not new. - aladobe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So if someone can tell me how to play .sub or .srt subtitles with Quicktime Player, I'd be ready to buy one AppleTV...
- autoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hint: Perian 1.0
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I'm taking odds on Apple allowing iPhone to be a remote control"
Now that would be brilliant! I've been wondering for years why Apple hasn't released a wireless iTunes controller (for use with Airport Express). Perhaps the iPhone will finally be it.
Now if only there were a way to control my AV receiver's volume with it...
If only the iPhone had real touch-screen GPS functionality (and street mapping software), it would be the ultimate all-in-one device. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"What your link shows is what many experts have been saying, namely, h264 is great for low bitrates (streaming video, etc), but XviD and h264 are virtually indistinguishable at higher bitrates, such as those used for transcoding DVD movies for archiving." - gole
Actually, if you go to the 720p samples (http://www.xile.net/xvid_vs_x264/720p.html), even at the 3,000 kbit rate h.264 is a noticeable improvement over XviD (at 1,000 kbit, XviD is not even in the same ballpark). If you have a choice between encoders, I see no reason to choose XviD over h.264, unless the encoding time/processing power required is a concern. - keithc01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2exactly. now that would really be something. and there is an available RCA a/v cable for the iPod, isn't there?
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Modded XBOX still beats a 360 in the Tivo department. LOL
- Fantt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Oh wait - you have to buy Quicktime Pro to do the export as AppleTV... For $30 it was worth it for me.
- masterkenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@12Iceman
If you want a player with Xvid support, you can get the Archos (which also has a nice widescreen display). For a bit extra, you can get the DVR dock, that has component cables that you can hook up to your HDTV. - OUChevelleSS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Watch the movie in Front Row (for Macs)?
- jwdav, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That there is not a Windows XviD codec does not make Quicktime crap. It's just a missing third party codec that someone will probably create real-soon-now, not a failure of the whole Quicktime architecture.
I find it hard to believe that with the diversity of Windows software, there is no other way to encode DivX/XviD to H.264. - qole, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Quix:
What your link shows is what many experts have been saying, namely, h264 is great for low bitrates (streaming video, etc), but XviD and h264 are virtually indistinguishable at higher bitrates, such as those used for transcoding DVD movies for archiving.
The benefits of h264 are still balanced by a big disadvantage at the moment: you need a beefier processor to decode h264. I find my PIII-800 HTPC has no problems decoding SD XviD, but it stutters when decoding the same resolution h264. - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If you regularly work with video you'd know that QT is actually a very nice piece of software, especially in comparison to the alternatives. However, since your experience with video is likely limited to downloading torrents of "Dancing with the Stars" I wouldn't expect you to have any appreciation of it.
- darkdriving, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For all of the Mac users trying to watch your Xvid/Divx movies on your AppleTV, there's an easy way to do it without re-encoding the whole thing:
1) Get Quicktime Pro (the legitimate way or the illegal way, doesn't matter)
2) Open the video you'd like to sync to your AppleTV
3) Go to File -> Save As and save it as a Quicktime movie
4) Add the new movie to your iTunes library (same encoding, just a different file header readable by iTunes)
5) Install the Perian codec pack on your AppleTV and you're good to go. - spazmotron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use xvid. :O)
It's better than divx.
Xvid and Gom player is all you need. - randomhero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can anyone recomend a good divx/xvid to DVD software for mac? ( besides toast ) toast's converstion is horrible.
thanks - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i strongly agree!
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