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- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+41*****. I was at Apple for three and a half years, and nobody ever said a word to me about what sites I could read. I sent links to some of the sillier rumors to colleagues all the time. Leaks are rare, because we all understood just what product secrecy is worth to the company in dollar terms.
-jcr - LilBoyLuver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Haha do you think that someone got fired over Kevin Rose's iPhone leak. I have read several things now that have led me to believe he and his source were led on by a fake mock up that Apple used for Cingular reps and many of their own employees.
- ghaltmann, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19This entire post is based on 1 sentence in an article about apple that is un-accredited. What a waste of my time.
- Necho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Isn't that the whole point? Apple "leaks" bad info to certain people, and if they hear about that same bad info again, they know who started it.
That fake info could be the whole "two batteries" thing - bSimms, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Hence the part where he says "fake mock up"
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Nope thats standard procedure for any intelligence agency, you give certain people certain info and see what leeks out. Apple may not be the CIA but they certainly seem to know their *****.
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Really? So that's why Creative sued Apple for stealing their user interface and using it for the iPod...and won the case.
- Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9When I did support for Apple, Apple went out of their way to block ThinkSecret as well as other APple rumor sites. If we mentioned a WORD about a rumor on the phone, we were fired.
Nazi++ - TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@bowe
Dude how old are you? I'll be shocked if you say anything over 12 - NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Perhaps you could inform us how Apple could make money by selling an inferior product like WINCE? That's Dell's gig, not Apple's.
-jcr - meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"Creative sued Apple for stealing their user interface and using it for the iPod"
Oh come on, it was a hierarchical file browser which has been around since the first GUI. Creative filed their "innovation" under the spectrum of 'music related handheld products' and they became bulletproof, despite the exact same interface being in computers for *decades*. Pathetic really.
If you want to get really technical, Xerox created the GUI, Apple traded stock to use their invention, somewhere along the line either Apple or Xerox created the hierarchical file browser, Creative stole this idea and used it on music players, then sued Apple. I still have no idea how they got away with it....
"yay! the empire of Apple is falling"
I bet you're one of those people who, when presented with an opinion about an OS, also says "LOLapple are crap, dey only haf 5% computer shares!!!!LOL!!!11!" - IWorkAtApple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5*****. Just plain *****.
I browse pretty much all the apple rumour sites every day. Sometimes you get a real laugh. Links are mailed around the groups, and (I dare say) clicked on...
I'm sure Apple do store all email communication, and I'm careful what I write on company time, but in terms of browsing - if you're on the 42-net, you could be any old (wo)man in the car-park... Unless you spend all day browsing the web, why should they care ? - EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Apple relies on keeping information secret from it's competitors"
Welcome to the world of business. - a0me, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Creative Technology Ltd. and Creative Labs, Inc. v. Apple Computer, Inc. alleged various patent infringements. The lawsuit was filed May 15, 2006 and an approved settlement was reached October 13, 2006. Apple and Creative announced in late August that the two companies had reached an agreement whereby Apple would pay Creative a one-time $100 million license to use Creative's patents.
- EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Would you shut up already?
That is all you have been saying on every Apple related thread...
I swear you must be trying to get people to bury you. Since you obviously don't know a damned thing about OS's(not saying XP or any other MS OS is bad or anything). - Burmask, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8"Rabid fan base" is a nice word for a gang of fanboys.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well then i apologise to you mate :)
Just can't stand idiots who post that Apple are a monopoly set to take over the world then in another topic laugh because Apple have 5% of the market share.
Make up yer friggin' minds :P - tf5bassist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Okay... I had a year of experience with Apple Telesales (1-800-MY-APPLE), ending in November... We all looked at the rumor sites, a lot. A LOT. However, since of course we were being monitored, we couldn't talk about it (Official Apple policy instructed us to say "I'm not allowed to discuss any unreleased Apple products"). Out of all the rumor site browsing I did, the only time I EVER got in trouble for anything like that was a conversation that I had with a customer with a HIGHLY UNLIKELY product/feature/i forgot exactly what it was, that we both stated in the convo that it probably won't happen "but wouldn't it be cool if..." type deal, and in all honesty, was a convo that shouldn't have got me in trouble, but it was "questionable" in the eyes of the coaches/leads (who honestly didn't know wtf we were even talking about), and I got a "warning" about talking about unreleased apple products.
Telesales (and other departments like them) never get ANY form of prerelease info. Remember the red Nano? I posted a blog on it at work immediately after the pictures of Oprah and Bono were leaked, never got anything.
This article's a bit overstated in it's title, most of the article is actually regarding high-level security and trade secrets, NOT general run-of-the-mill employees viewing normal rumor sites. - Blankford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"i hope that you come back as a tree, but then i hope they chop you down and cut you up and make you into paper, and when that's all done.....they print the bible on you!!!!"
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I beg to differ. Information on upcoming products is on a need-to-know basis, and while it may have bothered you as an intern to be told very little about future developments, those of us with a bit more of a stake in the outcome were delighted to have a big surprise at MacWorld, and took more than a little pride not just in our ability to keep a secret, but in the fact that we were working on projects that gained so much attention.
-jcr - shiftless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What's to stop people from visiting this crap when they get out of work? It makes sense to me to avoid wacky websites at work but what difference does this make at all?
- tf5bassist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2While I never got in trouble for rumor sites, I did, however, get in trouble for saying the word "*****" in an iChat to another employee (not in a harassing way, either). I can count at least five other employees (friends of mine) who got in trouble for what the leads called "dropping the f-bomb". The only time content was an issue was because a non-work-related website appeared in the screenshot with the ichat window. Nothing ever since then, and that was in the first two or three months of working there.
- chronic19, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I worked for Apple as an intern last summer and I can say that the company's secrecy takes away from worker morale and productivity. When you're working on a product that needs to inter-operate with another Apple product - you have to go through high level management for any discussions. Also, not being able to learn about all the company's products makes for a weird environment when you can't discuss your work with non-group co-workers and have little idea of the overall direction of the company.
It's one of the main reasons Apple is a really bad place to work for a college grad - probably a great place for an experienced person. Btw, I'm going to Google for full time. - ratpH1nk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2From first hand experience I can tell you it is inaccurate. I worked for Apple in both Austin and Cupertino in various departments, and I knew of no one who got into trouble for reading rumor sites. Not saying it didn't happen, but it wasn't frequent or rampant.
Buried as inaccurate. - flipmeat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you work at Apple, you have to check the rumor sites. If your project leaks, you can start updating that resume.
- desired, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Apple is not even in the top 100 best companies to work for.
- Blankford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2that is really genius, plant fake ***** to monitor leaks. That's why apple is met with such success.
- donkeydrop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is pretty common, and one of the reasons is that the the laws regulating businesses in the US are such a mess. If employees visit rumor sites, later on some lawyer or SEC hack can claim that the company "knew" about some rumor (true or false) and then failed to take proper action.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I have a close friend who works at Apple.
The stuff about planting fake info within the company does seem to be true. However, there is no evidence Apple monitors browsing habits and contacts people about cruising certain websites. - TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Hell if the board ever does decide to can Jobs again I bet he could have a decent career at the CIA.
- skywake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1no... in terms of "the better OS" I hate Apple and Microsoft equally
:P
I was talking about their i____ empire..
because frankly I think they are forgetting what people liked about it
well... what some people liked about it.....
I always preferred Creative's alternative... - YoHenYo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The employees in the Apple store were like moth's to a flame during Macworld. They were huddled around a computer staring at MacRumors like idiots.
I admit, I did go in to see if they were going to be doing it... and they were. - BarbadoSlim, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6Bunch. of. weirdos.
- kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3You know, theres a reason no one knew the real look of the iPhone... Apple is damn good at secrets. Who cares, that just means most people are blown away when it turns out different, AND better in most cases.
- EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1What are you talking about?
If what the sum up is indeed true I would call that good business tactics. If I had a business that large I would definitely do the same thing.
Personally if I ran Apple I wouldn't let any employees visit any Apple/Windows related sites other than apple.com. All they can do by visiting them is put out a bad name for Apple. - bowe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1you don't think that steve is watching me now, do you?!!! :-x
- skywake, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4you know whats amusing...
I heard about the Apple vs. Creative thing but I never heard the outcome
to top it all off.. I haven't had as much Pro-Apple stuff thrown at me lately
yay! the empire of Apple is falling...... very slowly.... - Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2@bowe
By admitting that your Dad told you before it was announced means that because of your post, your Dad can lose his job at Apple. Luckily for you, Apple probably doesn't give a ***** about Digg's comments. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6Yeah, Apple Inc sounds like a place I'd want to work....... Sounds Nazi to me.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Apple seems to be hiding something really controversial...
COMPANY FOUNDED ON HOMOSEXUALITY? - Bosox958, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Hmm, Apple looking like Microsoft perhaps? Either that or Steve Jobs and George Bush are the same person.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Well their old logo was a rainbow apple.
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- SillyRabbits, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1Of course maybe you weren't exactly in an impotant enough position to be monitored that closely. If you don't have direct access to anything that secret....you can't be giving away information. I'm sure they keep a closer eye on the hardware engineers actually building the new products than they do the guys in the mail room...
- undersky, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4u meant, "say it all already"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4"Was at apple"
Says it all ready, unless you only left in the past month or so! - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -18/+8Apple employees: Welcome to the fascism.
- Barr08, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6didn't he leak bad info?
- bowe, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3Yeah, well my dad works at apple and they are always looking over his shoulder. When he goes online, they track every site he visits and he says steve jobs' office walls are lined with screens that Jobs uses to check on his employees' desktops. Apparently the software he uses is the same sorta stuff that the Chinese government uses to sniff out dissidents. He knew about the iphone from the start because he's the one that came up with the idea of using the touch gestures rather than a stylus. It was so hard for me not to say anything to anyone about it, but my dad said that if I did, he'd be sure to lose his job.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -20/+2Steve jobs runs a tight ship. Apple relies on keeping information secret from it's competitors so it can patent these aspects and prevent others from using them. This is one of the reasons the ipod is such a success, other companies are not allowed to use the ipod style interface because apple secretly developed and patented it. In the 80's Apple developed the GUI interface but Microsoft found out about it before it was completely patented and the rest is history. Apple relies on keeping its ideas secret until the last moment.
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