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- Dumbledorito, on 08/08/2008, -12/+130For all the bitching and moaning about Microsoft and other phone OS makers, I've always liked being able to surf the net, find an app site that offers commercial, shareware, and freeware software, and just install it without fear of retaliation by my carrier.
It's always bad if Microsoft does it (live updating, sending reports back to the mothership, error logging, etc.) until YOUR favorite company does it, and does it an even more draconian fashion.
"Oh, but they're just protecting the experience!" some will say. That's what AT&T claimed, all those years when you weren't allowed to use 3rd party products on your own home phone line. - ThankTheCheese, on 08/10/2008, -3/+43Alternative title: "Apple to keep the jailbreak community alive"
I haven't bothered jailbreaking since the 2.0 update because the app store had everything I needed, but with this info I think I might do it again.
Also, what happens to those who have already bought NetShare before it was yanked? Can it still be used? there was a story about Apple having the ability to remotely disable an app -- might they be exercising this? - Wailord, on 08/09/2008, -27/+55How is it Apple's fault, though? If it's in AT&T's T&C, they can't just flat-out ignore it...
- pxa270, on 08/10/2008, -3/+30That's what you get when Apple/AT&T are in total control of what's allowed to run on your phone. The fact that tethering is forbidden on the iPhone is totally retarded. Pretty much every phone I owned in the past years had the functionality built-in, no need to buy an "app" from a store for that. And most of them weren't even "Smart-phones".
On my cheap-ass SE K610i? Settings -> BT On. Laptop -> Connect to Bluetooth: UMTS internet on my laptop wherever I go. - jakeshdaddy, on 08/10/2008, -6/+31Watch the Apple fanboys spin this into something positive and necessary.
- MavRevMatt, on 08/09/2008, -16/+37It is Apple's fault for getting into a contract with AT&T.
- IronTeardrop, on 08/10/2008, -0/+19AT&T's restrictions do not apply to the rest of the world. NetShare should be available outside the U.S.A.
- Jrr6415sun, on 08/10/2008, -2/+19apple was well aware and agreed to those contractual obligations
- DigDugDigger, on 08/10/2008, -0/+16If Apple uses their leverage to make my purchased NetShare app stop working, I want my money back. That's fine with me, I'll just jailbreak it and have the same result. But if I paid for an app, and Apple decides to disable it, I deserve reimbursement.
- spikes, on 08/10/2008, -0/+15I do wonder whats AT&T got to do with things? Are they the only carrier that exists? Well sorry but no, Rogers here has no anti-tethering clauses in their contract, you pay for 6GB of data, you can use it however you like. The same goes for the majority of the global carriers. This app should be allowed everywhere else at the very least, and not banned simply because AT&T has some pathetic (and questionably legal since other phones are fine?) anti-tethering clause.
- nunofgs, on 08/10/2008, -0/+14People need to start realizing that Apple has contracts with other networks all over the world. Does AT&T speak for them too?
- inactive, on 08/10/2008, -4/+17Apple does not have the ability to disable apps. This has already been debunked. The articles about it haven't been dugg up because it's more satisfying for Apple Haters to try to make people believe this.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/08/your-iphone-pro ...
http://gizmodo.com/5034707/iphone-app-blacklist-is ...
Apparently the blacklist is to keep apps out of Core Location, which is Apple's set of APIs that control how applications access the GPS, cell tower, and wi-fi location protocols on the iPhone and Touch. So, in essence, the blacklist is actually protecting iPhone users' privacy. - mentat, on 08/10/2008, -1/+13He still probably has a deadline (IE: His managing editor told him he has to post something by a certain time and/or date), and it's still responsible to make a phone call for information.
- jellygraph, on 08/10/2008, -1/+13Thats right, you just it, you definately just it
- KDX200rider, on 08/10/2008, -3/+14It about time people see Apple for what they really are. The kings of proprietary. So many people have fallen for the Apple is so "kool and trendy" marketing scheme it amazes me.
- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -3/+13the risk of open source apps when there is no communication other than finding out you were yanked
- EatingPie, on 08/09/2008, -10/+20You know, that's the silliest response I could imagine!
Someone had to carry the iPhone, and that required a contract. Any carrier was going to have some restriction or other that Apple wouldn't be able to work around, and that would be contractually agreed upon. Otherwise, no iPhone.
-Pie - t0ny, on 08/09/2008, -5/+15Why do you need it with jailbreak? Just run "ssh root@phoneip -D 9999" and you have a socks proxy at port 9999 :P
- inactive, on 08/10/2008, -0/+10apple=sith lords
- headzoo, on 08/10/2008, -0/+10People keep blaming AT&T instead of Apple, but Apple is the one that signed an exclusive contract with AT&T. Personally I think it's kind of funny; Apple has always billed itself as an anti-IBM type computer company, but they signed a contract with the IBM of phone companies. There are more than a few carriers out there, that are more inline with Apple's image, but clearly Apple is more concerned with their bottom line these days.
- MavRevMatt, on 08/10/2008, -0/+9True, but at the time Apple knew, or at least should have, known that Cingular was in talks with AT&T.
- Tracknod, on 08/10/2008, -0/+9First rule of Fight Club.... You Do NOT talk about Fight Club!
- spikes, on 08/10/2008, -0/+9The App store already sells apps based on the user locale, try looking for AOL Radio or Pandora (just an example) on the Canadian App store.
- cherwilco, on 08/10/2008, -0/+8dude its not like wired.com is a mom and pop picture blog. they are a pretty well respected tech blog and apple would do well not to ignore them.
- ironiridis, on 08/09/2008, -5/+13It occurs to me, in fact, that Cydia already carries a package that will do what you want. It's called SOCKS Relay. So just go get the Pwnage tool, and tether your phone. It's really easy.
- TimeIsTissue, on 08/10/2008, -0/+7Let's hear it for justing neighbors' unsecured wifis!
- Binarydemon, on 08/10/2008, -0/+7So these are legit apps to iphone users in other countries, whose TOS might not include this restriction?
- mspengler, on 08/10/2008, -0/+7I feel that YOU went through your post with a thesaurus. You don't seem to quite know what the words mean. Also, this doesn't seem to make any sense, even with allowing for the malapropism. I'd like to vote you down (not just the post) until you walk down the street all but invisible and unheard.
This post makes me want to move my family to a country where they don;t speak English, so my child never has to be exposed to some rant like this helping to erode my beloved native tongue. - BloodWenis, on 08/10/2008, -0/+6now can I interest you in some designer soap?
- mbradbury, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5So why is it not available in other countries?
- dood, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5Who cares if it was Cingular or AT&T? The problem is that Apple signed an exclusive contract with a single US cell company, and now has to play by their rules. Sucks, but Apple should have seen this sort of thing coming (and I assume they did).
- Perk, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5Dear Nullriver,
Please put this up on Cydia. I'll send you 10 bucks via Paypal.
Thanks,
Perk - PhillyMJS, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5Tethering is forbidden by AT&T for the most part, unless you cough up extra bucks for a special add-on plan that specifically allows it. Which IMHO is BS. Bits are bits, if I'm paying for the plan I should be able to use that connection with whatever device I want.
I believe their usual argument against it is 'if you can use a real keyboard and a nice-sized screen to access the network, you'll do it more often and for longer periods'... to which I again say, I'm PAYING for it. And iPhone users already use dramatically more data than users of other phones, I think it took about a month or two after its release for articles about that to appear last year. - javaroast, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5"Apple signed a contract with Cingular originally and Cingular got bought out by AT&T"
Wrong! Cingular was a joint venture of SBC and Bell South. SBC I believe owned about 2/3 and then they purchased Bell South giving them full ownership of Cingular. SBC then went on to purchase AT&T and rebranded the whole damn company as AT&T including Cingular. So the company now known as AT&T is the same company as Cingular. It's splitting hairs anyway to say that the contract was signed with Cingular. So reaktor5 isn't really correct as the only thing that changed is the corporate name. - ncc1701, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5Cydia and Installer already have tools to do the same thing for a long time now.
- TimeIsTissue, on 08/10/2008, -1/+5the only thing upsetting about netshare is that it would kill your iphones battery life when its not being charged, since the iphone has to be awake the whole session for netshare to work. still, a fantastic revolutionary app. dont want to see it go, its a shame i missed out on DLing it.
- mentat, on 08/10/2008, -3/+7Wow. Makes me glad my phone (no, it's not an iPhone) is in no way connected to (or controlled) by AT&T (except as a network connection). That means I can run whatever I want, whenever I want. Tethering, Qik, VoIP (I've used both Skype and SIP successfully over EDGE ^^), even Torrents if I wanted (though I imagine it would quickly demolish network quality and phone memory) and there isn't a thing AT&T can do about it (unless I violate their TOC but that'd be my own fault). In a nut shell, that's why I prefer unlocked/unbranded phones and being off-contract. You can take your subsidies and... well, do whatever you want with it, I suppose, but don't complain when your carrier starts imposing limits (crippled software capabilities, crippled hardware capabilities).
- kristianfreeman, on 08/09/2008, -0/+4*cough* google "netshare torrent download"
you didn't get this from me, but wow do I wish I had an iPhone, having Netshare would be fantastic - inactive, on 08/09/2008, -2/+6amx_ban
- ryan83189, on 08/10/2008, -4/+8"It was slowing down the network for everyone, now it's fast again, so I can surf the web without flash at a reasonable pace for over $60 a month."
- JasonCox, on 08/10/2008, -5/+9Apple controls the AppStore, not AT&T. They are under no obligation to cater to the whims of AT&T, they're doing this voluntary. It's up to the user to comply with their carrier's T&C's, not the hardware vendor. For example, pirating movies is illegal in most countries but Microsoft doesn't block you from doing it, it's your responsibility, not theirs.
- inactive, on 08/10/2008, -3/+7FINALLY someone on Digg with a Brain!
- djsim, on 08/10/2008, -2/+6Correction:
...iPhone Dev Team should opensource the code for Pwnage... - DD00, on 08/10/2008, -1/+5Of course it won't be back. They have an exclusive deal with AT&T and sadly AT&T would never allow them to offer it. They would lose out on tons of customers and their contracts prohibit tethering for that exact reason.
Be pissed at Apple all you want for it, but it's AT&T that would prevent this app from being sold and it was no secret. Apple can't just break their contract with AT&T because you don't like it, the average person complaining has no concept of business whatsoever.
Which is why you should have grabbed it when it was up like the smart people did. - macchappy, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4And did the contract change somehow when AT&T bought Cingular out?
- thecockbanana, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4And what of those of us outside the US? (besides the obvious)
- javajockey, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4I upgraded my iphone to the 2.01 the other day . So for so good.
- xerigen, on 08/10/2008, -1/+5***** sliced bread. Yeah, I said it.
- mrBitch, on 08/10/2008, -1/+4@t0ny RE: "Why do you need it with jailbreak? Just run "ssh root@phoneip -D 9999" and you have a socks proxy at port 9999 "
Neat (although NetShare had a few more features) - but don't you need to jailbreak the phone to install SSH onto the phone? - a1cd, on 08/10/2008, -7/+10Just Google netshare.ipa
Or
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