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Apple Opens Up: Kernel, Mac OS Forge, iCal Server, Bonjour, Launchd

lists.apple.com — On its developer mailing lists, Apple has released the source code to the Intel kernel, Bonjour, and Launchd. Additionally, open source software focused on Mac OS X can now use Mac OS Forge for project hosting.

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  • ubuntudemon, on 10/12/2007, -144/+12Here's the forum thread on ubuntuforums :
    http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1352293
  • Powerdrift, on 10/12/2007, -12/+102So much for Apple "closing the Intel kernal"
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -37/+19That'll shut up the whinning OSS girls.
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -38/+2What, you mean like Apple?
    • RonJeremy69, on 10/12/2007, -46/+3Sounds like Apple is desperate for users AND developers now.
    • brentzilla, on 10/12/2007, -26/+2462 thumbs up for a comment with the word "kernel" misspelled?
    • c0uchm0nster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23i thought the same thing when i saw that brentzilla...

      and here i thought digg was a place for spelling aficionados to come together from around the world and spell things correctly, not some flaky tech/news site. for shame...
    • Powerdrift, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Sorry, didn't mean to spell kernel wrong...
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You know I seriously think that the Apple crowd are the most fanatical of all.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@raid517

      I work as a programmer on (typically) short projects where productivity is important. I have a lot of tools which need to be installed and configured (IDEs, CVS, databases, third party libraries etc.). Setup time is really important to me.

      On my last 3 programming contracts in order to get a complete working environment it has taken:
      4 weeks, 1.5 days (but the other guys spent 3 weeks on setup), 2+ weeks

      Guess which one was the one where I supplied my own hardware?

      What I did was I went down to an Apple retailer, bought an off the shelf (refurbed) iMac.

      It just works, and it has a boatload of programming tools already installed.

      It would have been 0.5 days, but Netbeans does some evil stuff behind the scenes, which took a day to fix.
  • newtonapple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+45This is great news. I hope they would unite all the open source packagings for Mac onto one platform (fink and port). A true apet-get for Mac if you may. That'd be awesome. Opening up XGrid would also be nice IMO. All those old PCs sitting around collecting dust could really use some distributed computing love (in a true cross platform sense).
  • the_blob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25Last I knew Bonjour had always been open.
    • elusive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The protocol specification has. This is probably some actual code or libraries others can use.
    • newbill123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30Bonjour (aka Rendevous) had been open, but it was licensed under the Apple Public Source License. This was very similar to the Apache license, but it was not close enough for many businesses.

      Putting it under the Apache license is a bit of pride swallowing that I'm sure Apple didn't want to give in to. But it's nice to see that their desire for open source developers adopting their code won out over their pride.
  • prammy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44Heh I will be the first to say I was wrong about Apple's OSS efforts. By releasing this and also providing the macforge site, I am definitely excited enough to buy me a new mac :)
  • fanboydcs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+55Thats why I love Apple..

    I am a devoted linux guru and have totally recommended apple computers to anyone that wants to have a unix machine that might have issues with the ruffness of linux.

    for them and me its a perfect mix, the power of Unix with friendly applications and commerical applications on top of that..

    But for me I cant give up on linux, I like to have the power to tinker with EVERYTHING.
    • Ankh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30Yeah, that's exactly what I am thinking about when I was looking at Mac OS X's introduction page(It was tiger at that time). I was like "wow, addictive interface on top of a addictive core!".
      Man, it's just perfect for those who love linux but dont wanna hassle with linux.
    • ighost, on 10/12/2007, -28/+7and have a lot of money to spend on apple hardware.
    • Eldoo77, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4Why is ighost getting modded down? The $tevie Jobb$ tax continues to be ridiculously high (compared to Dell, etc...) Oh well, can't expect Ma¢ fanboys to admit to overpaying!
    • brentzilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Can't expect you to compare specs + included apps either I guess. Or for that matter, can't expect you to try to configure a machine that is better than the new Mac Pro for less over at Dell. Oh well indeed.
    • FluffyArmada, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd love to see them put the iApps on MacOSforge, and allow people the option to use community versions of them. :-) I think that would be groovy. As in, OS X ships with Apple's version of iPhoto, iTunes, etc. but there's always community versions for people to thinker with new features. They could still charge for the apple version, maybe because they'd have .mac or something? Or they could just charge for .mac? Because then the open stuff could create a .mac alternative for personal use; like .mac, but one can host on ones own computer. Hope that made sense.
  • GabrielSaldana, on 10/12/2007, -28/+10What does this has to do with ubuntu??
    • eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -37/+2It have everything to do with it!
    • airencracken, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31Nothing, the Ubuntu Zombies just have to get thier rabid hands all over it though. They bug the crap out of me and I'm a linux user.
    • Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30Why does everyone ride ubuntu's dick? I use Linux everyday and there's nothing special of ubuntu. It's just another distro. And, you don't have anything to brag about once you install it. IMO it's just the debian version of mandrake. Sure I can sit here and tell everyone to use a real distro (Gentoo!!) but who the ***** cares?


      Now staying on topic. This is the best news I've heard all week. I've been using OS X since public beta and haven't looked back yet. This is the reason why I have a mac at my house. Apple always comes out with things that change the computing world. Instead of just security patches and service packs.



      Bury me for ranting if you want.
  • dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I've never looked at iCal Server, but I can imagine it taking off if it does what its name makes me think it does, and does it well.
  • drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27Ubuntu is becoming the opponent cult to Apple everywhere you look they two groups are battling it out. Well I have news for you people, I have BOTH and I don't really give a ***** what you use, use what you want and stop telling the world about your choice and let them make theirs.
    • zpok, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6hear hear :-)
      Thanks to VMWare I'll be tasting my first experience with Ubuntu real soon, especially the kiddie distribution interests me. The effort alone in that area deserves big kudo's.
      What I've been thinking the last few months was that my newest attraction to Apple was being able to toy with other OS's without the usual penalty.
      Since I'm a hard core mac user, the thing that really gets me down is all the newfound superiority from mac users since the return of his Jobsness. Used to be you had a pretty good chance a mac user would be an interesting person, since most would be professionals first and mac users second. Now, you really have to make sure you're not dealing with a rabid cult user. Sadly, this puts a big dent on what you can say without being flamed to pieces.
    • coolbru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Personally, I develop on OS X and deploy on RedHat EL and Ubuntu. Works great for me.
  • combatchuck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Beginning countdown to a stable OSX kernel with no TPM begins now. I wonder if the nvidia nonfree glx drivers would work.
  • Mediaright, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Interesting pattern here. I'm sure it isn't intentional, but this same thing happened last year regarding WebKit (the Safari engine). Apple had stopped contributing patches back to the Konquerer code base that Safari was based on at the time and people were starting to get rightfully mad at Apple for it. A few weeks later, during the WWDC05, Apple made the announcement that they were still committed to open-source, but they were just splitting off into their own open engine (the WebKit of today).
    • atralyx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12To my knowledge thats not what happened , but rather apple dvs were contributing back large tar files in a none cvs standard way
      And there is where the arguing began
      after awhile they did cooperate and contribute back in an easy readable standard form
      and kde devs impliment this code back into khtml as best as they can and see fir
      seeing as how apple has more devs and kde devs may not want or need all submitted patches , if im wrong feel free to correct me ...in a respectful way
    • Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12No, Apple didn't stop offering code back, it just didn't offer it back in a way that was particularly easy for the other developers to use.
  • atralyx, on 10/12/2007, -14/+1All this and no one questions the license
    Apache License, Version 2.0
    http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html>
    Apple Public Source License 2.0
    http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/2.0.txt>

    as for ubuntu , i've not seen a ubuntu troll on this news yet
    i am primarly a linux user , tried ubuntu ......its crap
    just another buzz word distro like fedora and gentoo
    next month it'll be something new
    • prammy, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6@atralyx

      What exactly is crap about Ubuntu ? I've used linux for a long time and so far its one of the most (if not the most) polished distributions I have seen.
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -15/+13What's crap about it is all the stupid hype surrounding it. Hype that has been bought and paid for with Mark Shuttleworth's millions. (Or indeed billions). Mark bought his way to the number one spot, rather than just earning it, by giving away millions of dollars of free Cd's and in a huge advertising and promotional campaign, the result being that he very much did attract many new Linux users - but that this meant that the vast majority of Ubuntu users in general are nothing short of a vast zombie army of hardcore n00bs.

      Which is fine really, but the way they incessantly go on about Ubuntu (almost like it was a cult) and pretend that they have some kind of insight that others don't have and are 'down with the OSS world', can get a bit annoying, even for seasoned OSS users who have been a part of the scene for several or more years, and who have been pretty much 'in on it' from the start.

      All Mark Shuttleworth cares about (like many competitive people) is winning and being number one and he isn't entirely all that fussed over how he gets there. It is this very competitive almost 'commercial streak, of aggressive self promotion that makes many more experienced users a little nervous. Maybe in 10 years, if he is still on the scene he will have earned his stripes like the rest of us and he will gain a lot more respect from the veteran Linux user base than he currently has.
    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11There is nothing special or unique about Ubuntu, other than the Live-CD thing, which is novel. I rate the install process as mediocre, and once it's installed it's just like any other anonymous Linux distribution, with either Gnome or KDE on top.
    • ighost, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15@raid517: nice little elitist rant.

      the fact is ubuntu has done a lot for linux, especially toward the goal of a linux desktop that can compete with windows and mac os.
    • somerandomnerd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"What's crap about it is all the stupid hype surrounding it. Hype that has been bought and paid for with Mark Shuttleworth's millions. (Or indeed billions)."

      So? The software's as free as any other OSS project. The hype is very clearly being generated by new users who have finally been shown a Linux distro that's easy to use, easy to get hold of, and easy to get help with, and as a result have found that maybe they don't have to use Windows all the time.

      "...the way they incessantly go on about Ubuntu (almost like it was a cult) and pretend that they have some kind of insight that others don't have and are 'down with the OSS world', can get a bit annoying, even for seasoned OSS users who have been a part of the scene for several or more years, and who have been pretty much 'in on it' from the start."

      Ah- I see now. It's the same thing you see when a popular indie band breaks into the mainstream and people start trying to tell them about what they've been telling people for years- the "I was into their early B-sides and saw them when they played their first gig to three people and a dog- so you're not a *real* fan" syndrome. Only in this case, it's more of an "I was compiling kernels before you'd done your first apt-get" thing.
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Don't like what I said? Then tough. Choke on it. It's still true. Mark Shuttle worth bought his way to number 1. It doesn't mean that there is anything particularly special about Ubuntu.
    • somerandomnerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It might be true, but unless he's been bribing all the distro chooser websites to point everyone remotely new to Linux towards Ubuntu, it's still irrelevant, and I've got no interest in getting into a distro war with someone who sounds like a gentoo fanboy.

      :o)
  • jpt62089, on 10/12/2007, -25/+2Wait wait wait... So Mac OS X is now open source? huh? wha? O.O
    • wastern, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Darwin has always been open source. where have you been?


      its not all of OS X, just the kernel and junk
    • jpt62089, on 10/12/2007, -25/+2bleh I don't pay much attention to the open sourceness of an OS or anything, I could care less...
    • MikeSD34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The phrase is "I couldn't care less" by saying that you "could care less" you are stating that you do in fact care.
  • guttertrash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8yay warm fuzzies for apple :)
  • Heavy, on 10/12/2007, -36/+3What i wanna know is how this affects us that like to run OSX but not on Appels overpriced none upgradeable ugly looking junk?
    • Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17It means you're still thieves.

      Hope that helps.
    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Blocked! (Don't feed the trolls)
    • Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2astrosmash: Yes, sorry, too early in the day...
    • Heavy, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4I can pay for OSX but not for there hardware...
    • zpok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Heavy, don't try to find sympathy on a mac forum. Bad move :)
      I'm sure hacks will come out regularly, so you can still run OS X whenever you feel like it. Not sure if it's worth the trouble though. If you can't afford an Apple computer, you'll at least have to buy something pretty recent. And the price difference isn't that big anymore nowadays.
      In order to do budget mac, you have to "think different" (ahahahaha).
      The budget Apple's aren't a bad buy, and you can find rebates and stuff everywhere. They cost a bit more up front, you pay for things you might not want and suffer in upgrade possibilities.
      BUT they fetch a really good 2nd hand value on ebay.
      So, the only thing you have to do if you want to run OS X bad enough is to get some dough up front. Then you're settled. Follow the market to find a good time to offload your mac to ebay and buy a new one.
      Sounds like an effort? It comes naturally, just like looking for a PC on the cheap, it's more effort than just waltzing into a store and saying "I want that one", but if you're into it, finding a good price isn't hard at all.
    • Eldoo77, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Zpok... um the price difference is quite significant! Not that I'm advocating stealing. Besides who would want to steal OS X anyway?
    • SteveMax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In the US, Macs are in the same price range as any brand name computer. In other countries, not so much.

      In Brazil, a Mac Mini costs at least R$2000.00 (around 1000 dollars). For this price you can get a complete Athlon X2 (including a 17'' monitor and a real video card). So the argument makes sense in some places of the world.
    • coolbru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hey, a legit copy of XP is still way more expensive than a copy of OS X, and you get far less for your money - so who's paying over the odds there? Unlike XP, OS X has seen significant upgrades in the last 5 years.
  • ubuntudemon, on 10/12/2007, -12/+14I'm sorry for linking to the ubuntuforums thread. I didn't mean to spam.

    I'm not very familiar with digg etiquette as I'm quite new to the digg and to blogging.

    I was hoping the forums thread would become interesting. That's why I linked to it before I went to sleep.

    Luckily the digg has a system in place to let the users moderate comments that are uninteresting like mine was this time. I will try to post only relevant comments but sometime into the future I'm sure I'll post an uninteresting comment again.

    I messed up a little. But it's only human to do so.
    • zpok, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Seriously, who cares? I'm much more annoyed with all the flaming and trolling.
      Cheers.
    • McMultiverse, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3Dude, as one of the two people who hasn't blocked you yet, let me be the second-to-last to say: SHUT THE ***** UP
    • JoeyDeacon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2I didn't mind the first comment but this one has really sent me to sleep
    • KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Dude, no need to apologize, just post your thoughts and they may get modded up or modded down. No big deal
  • ubuntudemon, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2McMultiverse I said I was sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was hoping the forums thread would become interesting. That's why I linked to it before I went to sleep. I'm sorry. I will try my best not to do something similar again.
  • SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9ubuntudemon, don't sweat it. it's his fault. a vast majority of the poeple on digg can actually be a-holes with no sense in how anyone else feels.
  • zodieman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5iCal server is just the ticket we need to start building a collab system on the OS X platform that we so desperately need. Let's hope it does what it promises. Apple needs a collab system as a "killer" app like Exchange/Notes that will help them sell more Xserve and Mac OS X server systems into businesses. They seem to be on the right track with the addition of note taking, to-dos in mail and now full collab in iCal. They just need to make it standards-based and have OS X, Windows and Linux clients that are 100% free and equal in features. They should charge for it however since IT folks don't associate free with value (unless they get to take it home ;)
  • atralyx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1All this and no one questions the license
    Apache License, Version 2.0
    http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html
    Apple Public Source License 2.0
    http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/2.0.txt
  • latinoMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would like to see them open source webobjects. It would be great to start the community innovating on that platform.
  • aeoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is huge news. Congrats to Apple.

    I'm no Apple fan, btw. I think for the longest time Apple was more anal/closed than Microsoft and is only recently turning that around.
  • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Nothing, the Ubuntu Zombies just have to get their rabid hands all over it though. They bug the crap out of me and I'm a Linux user."

    You can't go to any forum for Linux longer than six months and not find a post that reads:"Why not Ubuntu?"
    I also use Linux,but I'd never use Ubuntu because the users of it are as bad as religious fanatics.
    They don't realize all their zealousness really gets on people's nerves.
  • catmistake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Darwin LIVES!!!
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