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- Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Insane. The Mac side is going to explode in 2006 as the Macs match the Windows PC world ghz for ghz. If anything, this will lead to more affordable Macs (because the component cost will obviously be lower) with a premium of maybe $50 to $100 above their Windows PC competitors. And considering the operating system and software advantage out-of-the-box, that means more consumers will be willing to switch. Needless to say, Apple is going to find itself with demand outstripping their ability to supply Macs.
- dasil003, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3About the only thing EmilioLizardo got right is that Apple needs to grow the media side of the company. Yes, that's where the growth is. The rest of the garbage about 'no one wanting overpriced Intel boxes' is pure ignorance. PPC chips have never been a competitive advantage for Apple. Sure they spun the benchmarks the best they could, but the volume was too low for decent R&D from Motorola (or IBM for that matter). No one ever bought a Mac because of the chip it used. Some people bought it for image reasons, some bought it for the OS, some bought it for the consumer apps, some bought it for the pro apps, some bought it to match their furniture, but NO ONE bought it for the underpowered PPC chips.
That said, Apple computers have a limited market. I only hope that Apple considers it worthwhile to produce a niche market product with limited growth potential. From a pure business standpoint it may not make sense. The iPod is a very cool toy, but Apple's software development is the true gem of the industry. Not only is Apple's software really great to use, but it has a direct impact on improving the quality of other major software(Microsoft, Linux, etc). - timbtwisted, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Getting dumped by IBM"
What supplier would dump a long time customer? IBM would continue to supply Apple as long as Apple wanted. They'll take the money, there's no way they're going to say , hey you know what Apple we don't want your business take it elsewhere. That just makes no sense. Also, the statement was made by some stupid analyst somewhere. For one analysts can't accurately predict earnings, which is their main job. they've adjusted predictions for Apple at least 3 times this quarter. In no way is Apple moving away from the Mac. In fact this is going to be the biggest year for the mac in recent memory. All new laptop designs are on the way and the Intel platform for everything. What more can apple do to the ipod? Not a whole lot, if apple banked its future on that product they wouldn't have much of a future, sure the demand is there now but it's going to hit a wall at some point. The mac on the other hand is a proven long term product and the ipod has done a great job getting people to move over to the mac. The lesson here, analysts don't know *****, so stop listening to them,...oh and no digg. - berad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is utterly ridiculous and just a repeat of so many other Mac-death knells. Apple has competed quite well with PowerPC processors and IBM did not "dump" Apple... Apple's move to Intel was primarily because G5 processors couldn't or wouldn't be shrunk down for notebook use. IBM failed to produce 3 GHz chips now some 2 years after they were promised. I've run Mac on Intel and it is a spectacular experience... even in emulation. Of course more advertising is spent on the iPod right now... it's the hottest consumer product to hit this country in 25 years... what would you expect?
To say that Apple is going to leave the Mac behind, especially given their marketshare and mindshare leaps over the last 6 quarters, is mind-boggingly ignorant and shouldn't be reported as news. Oh, and by the way, just because Apple announces a move to Intel processors doesn't preclude them from using AMD processors. With complete hardware parity, I suspect the differences in the OS are going to shine through even brighter. There's never been a better time to be a Mac-user or an Apple share-holder. - arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm still failing to see the relevence or logic behind phrases such as
"Existing x86 OEMs are having trouble enough with margins and prices in freefall. And they don't have an entire OS and internal software library of apps to support and develop."
Apple switching to x86 doesn't suddenly mean they suddenly beomce an x86 OEM company competing against everyone else who is currently selling x86 based boxes that ship with Windows (or in rare cases ship with Linux), so how are the current struggles or whatever of x86 OEMs relevent to Apple's future after the Intel switch? - jibone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Apple has been making and developing it's Mac line even when the company is in trouble of not having money,.. why would anyone think that Apple would leave Mac behind?
- enterpriseapple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Apple will certainly take advantage of its leadership position with personal consumer media. The switch to Intel, with the potential of operating system virtualization (Windows running side-by-side OS X) would allow for switchers on the fence to move over. Also, corporate enterprise IT departments would have an easier time adopting Apple hardware.
- MACFAN73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That must be the dumbest analysis I have ever heard. How could you conclude that apple is moving away from it's Mac's... when in the past year they introduced the mini, Tiger , and are moving to transition to Intel.
Why would they build their own retail stores when you can sell iPods everywhere including Best-Buy.... TO SELL MAC"S of course...
Oh and BTW, just so you know the history of Goldman Sachs Analysts, they were recently subpoenaed to the senate when World-Com imploded for giving a buy rating on that stock... despite their knowledge that the company was failing... - hexix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This just in... Microsoft Moving Away From Windows, Building on XBox.
- marksven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In other news, analysts are full of crap. I work at a large company, and I always enjoy reading analysts' speculations about what our company is planning to do in the future, because 90% of the time it is wrong. Apple analysts don't exactly have the best track record, either:
http://digg.com/apple/In_2001:_Guy_explains_why_you_shouldn_t_invest_in_Apple - xeeton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, embraceware is right. This article is from the POV of earnings growth. It's obvious that most growth comes from the portable media stuff; that's what Forbes is reporting.
- Chopper9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No Digg.
Key words like "seen" and "likely" and "could" tell you all you need to know people.
The whole iPod is the gateway into Apple products... and a damn good one. - embraceware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Lame article. They're not moving away from Mac - they're just beefing up the other division to fit with the demand. You don't need to take from one to add to the other. Apple is just growing. Great stuff - no digg on this post though...
- ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In new news - Microsoft is moving away from building any new OS's.
ya, please. - jcs_goog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If iPod sales continue to increase, it's natural that the focus will "increase" but this doesn't mean Apple will reduce their focus on Macs. Apple is rumored to be coming out with smaller, female-focused laptops next year. BTW, no digg - too trivial.
- mossrockss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hm... to me, it doesn't really make much sense. The iPod is nothing without iTunes. And yeah, iTunes is on Windows, but it's not that great compared to the great interoperability enjoyed by Mac users. Intel machines won't be a doom for Apple, and just because AMD right now has somewhat of an upper hand, Intel is the one with entire chip sets offering the integration Apple will be looking for in the future. Sure, they may be morphing some of their machines into sort of 'media-center' type deals, but that by no means represents their discontinuation of the Mac altogether.
- simon32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is genuinely stupid.
- yaphi, on 02/20/2008, -0/+0Emilio, Apple isn't going to be an x86 OEM. They're not going to be Dell, HP, or Sony solely on the fact that Apple computers come with OS X. It just so happens they have the same processor. They don't have the same business model or strategies. Your comment is moot.
- Jarda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Don't EVER EVER say anything bad about Apple and it's borderline sociopath leader, Steve Jobs.
Because if you do that... You'll receive death threats and hate mails for more time than you wish!
These guys are a brainwashed cult... Ignore them! - TheD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0be careful. Steve doesnt like it when "anylist" go from speculating to essentially saying "this is what they will do". He might just pull the plug or delay somethings, just because too many article writers say they know whats coming and when. dont know if that made sense, sorry i on the way out the door.
- andrewguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I believe Intel is what is going to make them grow more in the media market and expand there ITMS. Say DRMed Intel Chipped Mac Mini in your living room, getting full length movies off ITMS. Somewhere I read, that the Hollywood moguls would only allow full length movies on DRMd processors. Something of which Intel has. I could be wrong though.
- ExtraLife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is stupid.
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Maybe Jobs finally saw the light like MS did in the 80s? Money is in the software not the hardware (computers) they still are less than 1.8% market penetration, and frankly computers are becoming a commodity now-a-days - no margin at all... so only the less than 2% of the people who want to shell out big bucks isn't going to grow to 40% or even 20% any time soon. So why not put their focus on the ipod which is making them money and get rid of the computer that isn't? Sell the software, lot-o-margin there!
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Hm... to me, it doesn't really make much sense. The iPod is nothing without iTunes.
I've had 3 iPODS, never once did I want to KEEP iTUNES, that's just a personal preference to me. I use my iPOD to listen to tunes while I work out, I sync the mp3s when they get stale using explorer and re-groom the database with a single click. No need for iTUNES for me! - TommyH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0An analyst says so therefore it MUST be true.
/yawn - fudgebrown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0.....slow diggs..........
- DewayneSmith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Dugg for EmilioLizardo's comment.
- uberwald, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1nonsense. no digg
- mkjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just becuase its Apple news doesnt mean it makes the front page like all the rest.
- SoyLocoMoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0EmilioLizardo's comment is rubbish. Is there any proof that IBM dumped Apple? Ridiculous. Prepare for Apple's bigger bite out of the Windows market.
- orangetiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0stop putting blogs and personal guesses on this site. I think we're all getting tired of it.
- raven001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If Apple were smart they'd start licensing their OS for use in PCs. Their are plenty of PC users that like the Apple OS, but cannot afford the low-power high-cost hardware. Personally, I'd love to buy an iBook, but I cannot see paying that much for that little power when I can get a PC with specs that are three times better.
- weareglass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0People seem to forget that Apple was profitable pre-iPod even as everyone else but Dell was hemorhagging (sp?) red ink. They maintain higher margins than the entire industry, even though they don't ship as many units. Meanwhile their units shipments are the highest EVER in their history(higher than in 1996 when PPC chips had higher clock rates than Intel).
It's idiocy to suggest they would move away from Macs just when they're picking up steam and just because other parts of the company are enjoying success unfettered by uninformed consumers, salespeople and talking heads such as EmiloLizardo. When the playing field is levelled, they will have a much higher share of the market. - Lancer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can Apple actually go any further with improving the iPod. What next the new iPod DVD player?
- aarnone1291, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That's ridiculous!!!
- ebescan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I hope it doesn't happen. I like how all the products sync together. I believe they are quality computers so don't give up.
- crombie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The true death knell for Mac -- the dumbing down of it's user base because of the iPod. Mac has survived as a boutique brand because their dedicated fan(boy) base has taken whatever their charismatic leader shoved at them. Now, imagine the army of people buying Macs because they're not quite clever enough to use their new Christmas iPod on their existing Wintel boxes. How long will it take Apple to cave once it has to start catering to those geniuses?
Mark my words -- by next year OS X.x will either be more "consumer" than WinXP, or those iPod users will migrate back to Wintel. - chingas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Did some of these people read the article? The article suggests that "Apple is likely to move further from its Mac core in 2006, leveraging its brand and building on the consumer success of iPod" and "over the next few months that could shift its center of gravity further into the consumer electronics realm".
They're still making computers people.
Oh, and enterpriseapple, people were saying the same thing about Apple when they announced their partnership with IBM... - pierre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what a joke... apple computers are seeing more success than they have in years.... and its only going to get better. people are waking up to that fact that windows is broken and macs just work with no BS. they are not going anywhere.
- WilyHacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We've all heard all this same Apple Death Call every 5 years for the last 20 years. No Digg.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windows only breaks from bad user interaction and people constantly trying to ***** with other peoples PCs. If Mac gets as popular, the same will happen.
- altjeringa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow! What an amazing insight. Wall street analysts are SOOOO worth what they are paid. I can't imaigine how he possibly figured this out. Oh I know... he walked into an Apple store.
;) Yes I 'm feeling a bit campy this mornging. - djdole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What apple should do is get out of the hardware market, and sell iPods & compete with MS & Linux in the OS market.
Supply an API for developers to write software & drivers for AppleOS, and let every/anyone else manufacturer the hardware.
The company has been MORE than competitive in terms of stability & cutting edge features even WITH the hardware anchor they've been dragging.
Although I do have to admit,... the Apple 1U server was pretty slick. - smhill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"In other news, analysts are full of crap."
Dugg for this comment. - Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't know why it's so hard to understand. Jobs announced the strategy before the iPod ever came out: the "digital hub" for all kinds of devices, some of them Apple's some of them not. The iPod is the breakout best-seller, adding to Apple profits and expanding them into the Windows world. Plus now, with the Intel transition, the addition of a dual-boot or better machine means the Mac is now an OS X/Windows machine. As long as Jobs is alive, the Mac will not be abandoned.
It's always a revelation to me how much the hate of all things Apple in some quarters distorts some people's perceptions. - dcharti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is it possible for these people to get dumber? I mean honestly: could there be something more unfounded and painfully ridiculous said?
These analysts come up with whatever bullcrap they can to score ad hits. None of it is accurate, or even within the realm of possibly being accurate. - inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes, absolutely, anyone here who listens to goldman sachs is a MORON. these guys predicted 3ghz g5s, with 10gbs of rams and such other things 5 years ago for ak keynote 4 years ago.
They have no technology clue. - DiamondDog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, whatever. No one else is capable of taking the Mac's market share. There is hardly any competition, so Apple would never give it up.
- jholdaway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0stupid. Uninformed on how business works. At the most they could create a subsidiary. However, they are not at this time.
- eilorux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Baaah. It's not going anywhere. You have the Dells, and Gateways, and Lenovos of the PC world clamoring for the bottom feeders of the PC platform. Even the Dell high-end does not compare in quality and style to that of the Apple brand. Apple's move to the Intel chipset is not going to hurt the business, more likely strengthen it with performance improvements over the speed of the WinXP line of OS. I've been taking a poll at my workplace and clients offices, and they are all excited to hear the upcoming changes to the Apple hardware platform. Most people wish for the unknown feature of Dual-boot, so it's wait and see.
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