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- pyrates, on 08/12/2008, -6/+93Then why was my jailbroken 1.x iphone so damn stable with third party apps? Face it, the problem is Apple's drm software that they use to launch the drm encumbered apps from the itunes app store.
- inactive, on 08/11/2008, -67/+122Well, at least the blogosphere is consistent. First the bloggers complained about Apple NOT supporting third party software and when Apple said it was because they don't want the iPhone to be unstable, the blogosphere said, you're full of *****, Apple! So Apple allows third party software and what happens? It's unstable, just like Apple warned. And how does the blogosphere respond? YOUR'E FULL OF *****, APPLE!
Apple, you can not win.
And then you have all the Windows Mobile loving morons, who said WM was so much better than the iPhone. But now they insult the iPhone by saying it's just as ***** as Windows Mobile. Huh? - odiHnaD, on 08/11/2008, -9/+51I don't think the problem is that bloggers are saying Apple is full of crap because of Apple's warning, I think it's the fact that Apple insisted that the only way they could ensure that the iPhone would give the proper "user experience" with 3rd apps was by Apple having full control over the appstore.
Problem is that just ain't the case, the user experience (vs. 1.1.4) is night and day and it seems that for all of their tight fisted control of applications it doesn't make the least bit of difference in stability
To top that all off and add insult to injury the jailbreaking community with install.app were able to run 3rd party apps that were 10 times more stable (vs. 2.0) against Apples given reason for not officially supporting 3rd party apps right out of the gate.
It seems like Apple shot themselves in the foot on this one, I have no doubt that they will "figure things out" sooner or later but being a 1st and 2nd gen iPhone user I can say that 2.0 with it's ups and downs is a huge step back in the area of "platform stability" and "user experience" - MAGZine, on 08/12/2008, -11/+47Maybe Jobs can use his GPS to find his way out of this problem.
- consonance, on 08/12/2008, -5/+39Well, on the bright side iPhone devs can exchange programming tips to make their apps more stable OH WAIT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE OF APPLE'S NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.
At least Microsoft isn't a Code Nazi. - mrsteveman1, on 08/12/2008, -3/+33LOL, Microsoft should seriously use all these problems in an advertisement, quick. Apple has been blasting them about Vista for months. It's time we call Apple on their ***** as well.
Besides, criticism always helps, they won't be making this sort of mistake again easily if their reputation is substantially hurt. - aristotle0dude, on 08/11/2008, -1/+30I'd be more concerned that you were putting the life of other motorists in danger by using your phone like that behind the wheel.
- MtheoryX, on 08/11/2008, -3/+23That phone's app freezing had zero to do with you driving like an idiot, and you damned well know it.
- mth785, on 08/12/2008, -5/+25Maybe it is just me, but my 1st gen iPhone with about 3 pages os 3rd party apps is working like a champ.
- youareretarded, on 08/12/2008, -0/+18You should have used voice dial........oh wait.
- MAGZine, on 08/12/2008, -3/+19It's never Jobs' fault.
All hail. - digitaldivinci, on 08/12/2008, -1/+16The glass is half ***** because they aren't even checking anything apparently with all the crap that gets approved. If anything is actually malicious it won't get filtered until its already in the market. Period.
Of course, someone could make a app with a name "I BREAK THE IPHONE.app" that might throw up a flag. - jordan314, on 08/12/2008, -1/+16My least favorite aspect in terms of stability with the iphone is with the ipod software. I can't get past 4 or so songs on shuffle before the skip button freezes lit up and the whole program crashes.
- DeathGod321, on 08/12/2008, -5/+19If I've learned anything from facebook, letting people make their own apps will never end well.
- mrsteveman1, on 08/12/2008, -1/+15It's not an open mobile platform, Apple demanded excessive control, now they have it, and they control all of the code on the phone, even 3rd party stuff. If they let through buggy crap or malicious apps, well then their position of control is really worthless isn't it.
Also, it's not a new platform, they were working on this stuff for months before the SDK was even announced, and the firmware is not new, if anything they broke it by implementing this code signing *****. - ilikechaitea, on 08/12/2008, -0/+14yeah right...don't install any apps on the precious machine, it might break it
- Rotzooi, on 08/11/2008, -5/+18you're blaming the creators of the apps?
- heaintheavy, on 08/12/2008, -1/+13My iPhone is on the second full restore of the day -- I might add it seems to be completely bricked now. This is also my third iPhone because when I bring in my phone to the Apple store, they keep giving me a new one. I use this phone for business and I have lost business due to the constant problems the 2.0 update has given me. I gave up rock-solid performance and reception on Verizon's network and phones for this?! I shudder to write that, but it is the truth. I am very close to getting rid of this phone...
- mockupscaledown, on 08/12/2008, -5/+17Windows mobile was so ass-***** bad that I never even got my email accounts set up with it, and I'm quite an experienced computer person. I have never cursed at something like I cursed at that device. Then I moved on to iPhone, rock solid mobile phone, and doing simple things like adding contacts wasn't a hair-pulling curse-fest. Then I jailbroke the iPhone and all was well. I could tether with SSH, play games, make farting sounds.
Then 2.0 wrecked the reliability of all core features, and introduced a heavily censored yet farcically unreliable app store.
I'm hoping Google's Android picks up the slack, although I'd find it very hard to go back to a mushy WM stylus screen from the glassy multi-touch experience. - iatebabies, on 08/12/2008, -14/+26less stable than windows mobile, ***** fanboy. my htc titan runs better than any iphone and was released in january not june.
- damnyooneek, on 08/12/2008, -1/+13my iphone keeps freezing throughout the day when i install or start up programs or play around with it. i reset my phone at least once a day. i love the phone but have to admit its not very stable.
- mrsteveman1, on 08/12/2008, -2/+12We had third party apps a long time ago by jailbreaking the thing. It was only when Apple screwed with what was a stable firmware (1.x) and threw in all this DRM for Apps, code signing, etc, that it became unstable.
- leoofborg, on 08/12/2008, -4/+13Your Jailbroken 1.1x phone was soooo stable because you used Bosstool to move your /swap to the bigger partition.
iPhones / iPods have *2* partitions because Apple is stupid and wants the /system/ space away from the user space. UNfortunately they only set 300 megs aside for the system AND swap.
Just goes to show you how LITTLE the so-called devs know about Unix operating systems. Even on embedded devices.
Now that Apple has apps it's TWICE as bad. And I don't care if they restrict it to one thread at a time. - waydee, on 08/12/2008, -5/+14So it doesn't just work now?
- louiedog, on 08/12/2008, -5/+14You make the same mistake that a lot of posters seem to make. You assume these are all the same people.
- inactive, on 08/12/2008, -14/+21But it has iStability built right in.
- strangewill, on 08/12/2008, -0/+7@heaintheavy:
You're extremely tolerant, first time a phone causes me to lose business I'll be chucking it in the trash for a reliable phone. - macchappy, on 08/12/2008, -1/+8Up until now, I had thought that states banning cell phone usage while driving was a horrible idea.
Antfoolish taught me otherwise. - chroko, on 08/12/2008, -3/+9If you read the article, he's complaining about Safari crashing. Frequently.
ie: every 5 minutes, Apple's Safari web browser crashes.
Also: the instabilities with 3rd party applications seem to be less about the apps themselves - but the supporting runtime and installation mechanism. The apps themselves aren't broken - because if you re-install they work again.
How can you defend that? - digitaldivinci, on 08/12/2008, -1/+7Dugg for finding this story because I got frustrated that Aurora Feint crashed in the middle of a blue print and opted to surf digg instead.
- consonance, on 08/12/2008, -3/+9What does this have to do with Microsoft, you ask? For starters, the article title is "Congratulations Apple, you made the iPhone less stable than Windows Mobile." Way to RTFA.
- jrbrewin, on 08/12/2008, -0/+6although i'm going to get dugg down for this, i'm going to say it anyway. HeAintHeavy, i've NEVER had to fully restore to factory defaults any other phone i've ever had, nokia, windows mobile, and sony.
I was considering looking at iphone 2.x when my current 18month contract with a nokia n95 runs out, but unless i hear otherwise in the next couple of months i'm going to give it a miss. Shame. - beggersfunk, on 08/12/2008, -6/+11 Damn i used to use WM, it was piece of *****.
- inactive, on 08/12/2008, -0/+5And nothing of value was lost.
- leoofborg, on 08/12/2008, -3/+8Apple's been blowing Vista chunks since last year. Where do you think the monicker 'Leptard' came from?
Then, despite picking up staff from the jailbreakers, they blow it again.
Then they blow the whole MobileMe thing.
I'm getting to the point where I *now understand* why Bill Gates stepped down. He was at the top of his game and showing grace by retiring at the right time.
Jobs is losing his edge and going back to his stubbornness like the bad old days of NEXt. It's starting to show. All I can say is, 'Ouch.' - oppokaze, on 08/12/2008, -4/+9Yeah, because God knows Apple doesn't constantly get undeserved praise. Everyone hates on Apple on Digg and the internet at large.
/sarcasm - MacParrot, on 08/12/2008, -0/+5I really don't know what your problem is, but I pretty much just digg you down every time you start some pseudo-intellectual rant like this. I'm sure you believe yourself to be clever, but honestly you just come off sounding like a twit. No one needs to read your doctorate thesis each time for some comment about Jobs. If you can't say it in three or four clear concise sentences, then you have no idea how to really communicate.
- inactive, on 08/12/2008, -2/+7The ironing is delicious.
- magamiako, on 08/12/2008, -3/+8I don't know about everyone else here but my iphone 3g has been a trooper for the 3 weeks I've had one now. It's a solid phone, and the convergence benefits it offers are far beyond most of the other "smart phones" that I've seen.
The reason why? Because every other "smart phone" has been built trying to pull market share away from the Blackberry. Everything on them is "business oriented". Look! You can sync with exchange!
But the iphone--the iphone went a step beyond that. They built a smart phone for the masses. A phone that brings technology to a daily life level that's been unprecedented. I mean, just to give you an idea of the very simple things you can do with the thing with a couple of apps....
1. When you travel to a new area, you can find your position (on the *real* GPS, fyi. It does have assisted GPS as well in case you cannot get a sat signal), find restaurants nearby, have directions to them, immediately call them for a reservation, lookup their menu, sit down at the restaurant, eat it, then track how many calories, fat, and so forth you took in on that meal.
The above scenario is something I've used already and it is quite nice. - ffoofighter2001, on 08/12/2008, -12/+17buried because I've used WM devices in the past and the iPhone is EONS AND CENTURIES ahead of WM.
- lougoose, on 08/12/2008, -2/+6In general, they are.
- srg13, on 08/12/2008, -2/+6I just have an occasional crash on Safari on my Touch - I don't remember anything else ever crashing...
- PrometheusBorn, on 08/12/2008, -2/+6I love my iPhone, and I think Apple makes great products. I switched from buying windows after windows machines that always ended up with the same instabilities that drove me nuts.
I also think these apps for the iPhone are awesome. It really is changing mobile computing in a way I haven't seen the Blackberry able to do.
BUT - the price I pay of having an unstable computer in my pocket reminds me of my miserable windows days. I tried taking a call the other day and the slide bar even froze up so I couldn't answer. Very annoying. I thought the delay for iPhone 2.0 was so Apple could make the platform stable.
If they learn from their mistakes, the iPhone is going to be bigger than it already is. If they don't, they're going to be the next Microsoft Windows.
Fortunately they've seemed to learn from their mistakes lately. - NotaFanboy87, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5Android... I can't wait for you to be so terribly and unyieldingly let-down. It sucks man... it really sucks.
- mrsteveman1, on 08/12/2008, -4/+8Apparently the thing bricks itself just from downloading an App over wi-fi, that's before it even runs the thing. It's unstable.
- MacParrot, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4Most likely in your case anything would help
- leoofborg, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5It's not amateur programmers, it's programmers that have to work inside Apple's ungodly limited rules. *No* low level calls. No backgrounding. Limited access to APIs as compared to the jailbreak apps.
On top of that, spotty oversight of what an 'app' is, as there are MANY capable devs out there but their apps don't 'make the cut' for some reason. Apple's 'rules for inclusion' have broken down. That much is apparent.
Apple overextended themselves on this [cr]AppStore. And it shows. They *SHOULD HAVE* opened the platform up to capable devs and then just limited the API. And then allowed the apps to be posted to Versiontracker or MacUpdate.
But nooooo, they got greedy and wanted a good part of the cut. Didn't work for the RIAA, won't work for Apple. They're finding out the hard way.
And, of course, if Apple tries pulling this crap on the Desktop next time around, they may have a switcher. To Linux. - r3zonance, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4Yeah, Windows Mobile is still crappy especially in terms of performance, even now.
- mrsteveman1, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5It is in fact reasonable to blame apple for breaking the thing in their zeal to lock the platform, yea. I don't care if it will eventually be fixed, it shouldn't be setup this way in the first place.
If they weren't working on this crap they could have been doing something important, like oh.....say...cut and paste? - PueSi, on 08/12/2008, -0/+4Robots.
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