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- gaymathman, on 10/06/2009, -17/+64It's rather ironic two companies that solely rely on cheap labor and (very dirty)coal-fired power plants from China and ship their products half way around the world are attempting to be morally righteous here.
- pixeldust, on 10/06/2009, -6/+33"Mt St Helens eruption released more "greenhouse gasses" then everything expelled from the industrial age until right now."
Completely false. It took a few minutes on google to find it would take something like 7 Mt St Helens per day to equal what humans contribute every day, as well as the following:
"At Mount St Helens the maximum measured emission rate was 2.2X10^7 kg per day. The total amount of gas released during non-eruptive periods from the beginning of July to the end of October was 9.1X10^8 kg . I do not have an estimate for the volume of CO2 released during the Plinian eruptions. As a long-term average, volcanism produces about 5X10^11 kg of CO2 per year; that production, along with oceanic and terrestrial biomass cycling maintained a carbon dioxide reservoir in the atmosphere of about 2.2X10^15 kg. Current fossil fuel and land use practices now introduce about a (net) 17.6X10^12 kg of CO2 into the atmosphere and has resulted in a progressively increasing atmospheric reservoir of 2.69X10^15 kg of CO2. Hence, volcanism produces about 3% of the total CO2 with the other 97% coming from man-made sources. For more detail, see Morse and Mackenzie, 1990, Geochemistry of Sedimentary Carbonates.
Scott Rowland, University of Hawaii Steve Mattox, University of North Dakota
Source of Information:
Harris, D.M., Sato, M., Casadevall, T.J., Rose, Jr., W.I., and Bornhorst, T.J., 1981, Emission rates of CO2 from plume measurements, in Lipman, P.W., and Mullineaux, D.R., (eds.), The 1980 eruptions of Mount St. Helens, Washington, U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1250, p. 3-15. " - ElectroOverlord, on 10/05/2009, -14/+40Even as a Wintel user...I like this Apple news.
- RockLobstah, on 10/06/2009, -14/+34It's incredible how fast the "there is no such thing as man-made global warming" conspiracy theorists descend on these articles.
- inactive, on 10/06/2009, -24/+43Looks at Apple and Nike all high and mighty. and they never use sweatshop labor in countries with no labor standards or emissions controls at all either nope. never.
- Ferretman, on 10/06/2009, -10/+24Yeah...I'd like to see their "holier than thou" attitude turned towards closing their sweatshops and encouraging China to move off of coal rather than this silly waste of time.
But hey, if it helps'em sleep at night... - NovaPrime9, on 10/06/2009, -8/+21Quoting Ryan Anderson from the blog The Martian Chronicles, "What these people are missing is that the release of CO2 from volcanoes has been about the same for millions of years! So, no, we’re not worried about all the volcanic CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere. The earth system is in equilibrium with that amount of CO2 and can deal with it easily. But yes, we are worried about all of the extra CO2 being released by recent human activity at a rate much faster than current natural mechanisms can compensate."
- Lightstab, on 10/06/2009, -6/+18You mean we actually have a front page story about Apple that isn't bitch worthy?
- greenfyre, on 10/06/2009, -9/+21Don't you know how to use a search engine???
It's been called climate change since 1975
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/189 ...
http://globalclimatechange.jpl.nasa.gov/news/index ...
And as for your sillly volcanoes story:
CO2 and the Volcanoes
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/co2-and-the ...
Fable: CO2 in the air comes mostly from volcanoes
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/223957 ...
Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere?
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=earthtalks-vol ...
Volcanoes and Climate Change, Part 1 http://helicity.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/volcanoes ... - bobburn1, on 10/06/2009, -11/+21lol. Because the sweatshops, out of date factories, and overpopulated nations they operate out of are totally carbon neutral.
- dysonlu, on 10/06/2009, -0/+9We all know it has much more to do with PR and company image than being morally righteous.
- jarredm, on 10/06/2009, -3/+12May I present the U.S. Chamber of Commerce once again in opposition to common sense and betterment of the american people. What a shocker!
- HuangFeng, on 10/06/2009, -9/+17@arsenal4rs: "Mt St Helens eruption released more " ... Actually that's a denier myth. Human ghg overwhelm the total output of volcanoes by around 150 times, that's not percent, that is multiplied.
Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=e ...
Gerlach, T.M., 1990, Natural Sources of Greenhouse gases: CO2 emissions from volcanoes. Geothermal Resources Council Transactions, vol. 14, part I, pp. 639-641,
"no such thing as objective science nowadays" ... which is exactly what the denier agenda wants you to believe. To create doubt.
"Everyone has an agenda..." ... and it appears that yours is to perpetuate myths and misdirections. - scruffles, on 10/06/2009, -6/+14and everyone knows the best computers and shoes are both made with switchgrass and adobe. They should be fired in kilns heated with geothermal energy and transported from greenland using flying reindeer.
- manbeef, on 10/06/2009, -3/+11I wish to see his "factual, logical statements" because he seems to lack any kind of source. Perhaps you and him should view some of the facts, complete with sources, below.
- pagemap, on 10/06/2009, -1/+9Dugg for citing your sources - that's a first that I've seen for a digg comment! Bravo!
- homercles337, on 10/06/2009, -6/+12It must be profoundly difficult to make sense of anything in a grey world when you only see in black and white.
- alanocu, on 10/06/2009, -5/+11If Apple were really concerned about the environment, it would leave China, not the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Compare the air quality in Shenzhen, China where Apple makes iPhones, to the air quality over Apple HQ in Cuppertino, CA, where the company counts its profits made from the pollution in Shenzhen, China.
So when will Apple pressure the Chinese government to adopt the Clean Air Act? - MethodOne, on 10/06/2009, -0/+6The only Adobe product that comes with Mac OS X is the Flash plugin.
- cyberskier, on 10/06/2009, -4/+10The bigger story is that perhaps this will finally reveal the Chamber of Commerce for what it is, at least on a national level. Policy after policy is aimed at giving big business special privileges, regardless of what is destroyed in its wake, which I guess shouldn't be a surprise. Look, for example, at their version of so-called "tort reform," much of which is just an attempt to shield members from responsibility, even for truly egregious actions.
- Bartboy919, on 10/06/2009, -5/+11Your mom is propaganda.
- HonestAbeinator, on 10/06/2009, -8/+14I like the part where you start by saying "all the huffington post readers and e.l.f. sympathizers..." then later complain how every thing is politicized.
Anyway, you might want to read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on ... - scottyah, on 10/06/2009, -4/+9thanks for that ad populum fallacy, because the volcanos do it, it must be ok... While i agree greenhouse gasses have been produced in the past by nature, and in greater quantities, humans are still contributing to the production unnecessarily. Also, volcanos don't fill the earth with trash. Last i heard, human beings can and have been studying the CO2 concentrations from the past
- Gusbob, on 10/06/2009, -5/+9Exactly. The Greenhouse Effect is a naturally occurring phenomenon that is beneficial to us in terms of weather and temperature stability. The Enhanced Greenhouse Effect is what we're worried about. This opposition to 're-branding' of global warming to climate change is exactly what is preventing 'objective science'. If scientists are unable to adjust their models with new knowledge or data, how are we ever going to advance past rudimentary models if they are all shot down in their infancy stages?
- rdoger6424, on 10/06/2009, -1/+5Shipping is incredibly efficient, fuel-wise.
- gaymathman, on 10/06/2009, -1/+4New Balance makes a non-trivial amount of their shoes in the USA, and at least have higher labor standards than Nike in the rest of the world. It is true that all computer makers get many parts from China, although most don't pull stunts like this.
- homercles337, on 10/06/2009, -4/+7Facts? Are you ***** daft?
- the8thbit, on 10/06/2009, -5/+8"but for every study that says "global warming" (now re-branded as the more poll friendly climate change) is absolutely doing everything that scares little children at night, theres another study that says the exact opposite."
I have never seen a single article published in any reputable scientific journal which states that global climate change isn't a serious issue.
"There is no such thing as objective science nowadays, just as theres no such thing as objective news."
You're right, there isn't, and there has never been. Scientific research is biased towards research which goes against the trend of popular opinion, as this is the most interesting research, (most likely to get noticed and get funding, and just generally more fun) and this is the kind of research that, if it you end up having repeatable results which conflict with popular understanding, will make you more likely to win a Nobel prize.
This is beneficial, as it forces science to be self-critical. This also means that it is much, much more beneficial for a researcher or group of researchers to provide evidence against global climate change.
"Mt St Helens eruption released more "greenhouse gasses" then everything expelled from the industrial age until right now. Sorry but the most likely explanation is that human beings are trying to explain and comprehend epochs of time when they only have a reasoning of a few hundred years,"
As already pointed out, this is not true, but even if it were, why would this matter? Are you saying we shouldn't do anything about it because it's naturally occurring? It's no different from taking a medication to stop or suppress a naturally occurring disease. Are you opposed to medical research because it's just a response to something natural? - sivyr, on 10/06/2009, -3/+5As I understand it, after having the sweat shop fiasco brought into the limelight, Nike enacted a rather strict corporate policy against their use, and now has some of the best standards in terms of worker compensation and environmental impact in their market.
Honestly, I really don't know the truth of this, but I've heard, anyway. - xGORDOx, on 10/06/2009, -1/+3They are pro-business. You can't be pro-business and be for government health care.
Show me a business that is privately owned that wants the government to tax them so they can give "free" health care to their employees.
The equation just doesn't add up. - inactive, on 10/06/2009, -1/+3@sivyr:
"Has there been any progress? Has anything changed?
Yes. For example, because of the pressure that was placed on Nike by consumers, women workers no longer have to prove they are menstruating to get their legally guaranteed leave. Also, workers are no longer beaten with machetes or threatened at gunpoint for union organizing activity.
However, while we have seen some progress, there is still no movement on the two most important issues -- Nike workers are still being paid a poverty wage and Nike still refuses to bargain with their workers in good faith."
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2009/1 ... - lostlyrics, on 10/06/2009, -3/+5Latif uses the term "denier" btw., I talked to him
- the geomar institute is five mins from my place. http://digg.com/environment/NYT_Global_temps_stabl ... - greenfyre, on 10/06/2009, -5/+7Your comment is is undeniable proof that you don't bother checking to see if you know what you are talking about:
To detect climate trends requires a minimum 30 yr data sequence
What cooling trend?
http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2009/07/wh ...
El Nino, Global Warming, and Anomalous U.S. Winter Warmth
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007 ...
How to decide climate trends
http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2008/12/ho ...
Results on deciding trends
http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2009/01/re ...
otherwise all you are looking at is short term fluctuations in weather. - atomheartmother, on 10/06/2009, -1/+3Great point.
- greenfyre, on 10/06/2009, -5/+7Try again ... this time with facts:
"China and India are leading the way."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/ ...
"China on track to combat climate change"
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/09/28/China_on_tra ...
"China ‘on course’ to meet emissions targets "
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ad6a3fa8-a084-11de-b9ef-00 ...
China pours $90 b stimulus funds into "green" efforts
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090806/china-pou ...
"China is leading the development and commercialization of a range of low carbon technologies"
http://www.reuters.com/article/gwmSmallBusiness/id ...
U.S. officials praise China emissions efforts
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/i ...
China seen onboard for climate pact goal
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idU ...
China, Doing More Than You Think
http://www.wri.org/stories/2008/09/doing-more-than ...
China Outpaces U.S. in Cleaner Coal-Fired Plants
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/asia/11coa ...
China's Climate Change Playbook is Worth Reading
http://www.wri.org/stories/2008/07/chinas-climate- ...
China Completely Wind-Powered by 2030?
http://www.savingpower.com/china-completely-wind-p ...
China Says World ‘Cannot Afford’ Failed Climate Talks (Update1)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&am ...
Comparison of US and China climate efforts
http://jdbapat-sustainabledevelop.blogspot.com/200 ... - Trent1492, on 10/06/2009, -7/+9"Nearly a decade of declining global temperature is undeniable proof that the previous period of global warming was not caused by human actions."
NASA says different:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/
"In our analysis, 2008 is the ninth warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements, which extends back to 1880 (left panel of Fig. 1). The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008." - inactive, on 10/06/2009, -4/+6The 'hockey stick' graph used by Al Gore and the U.N. to make it look like the rate of global warming is unprecedented, has just been debunked. The temperature graphs have been widely cited as evidence by the IPCC, yet it appears they were based on a very carefully selected set of data, so select, that the shape of the graph would have been totally transformed if the rest of the data had been included.
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/09/breaking-news-che ...
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/29/t ...
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/27/quote-of-the ... - vikingcoder, on 10/06/2009, -2/+4Pointing to published scientific research is now "whitewashing history"?
Try reading your own source. The NSB was talking about thousands of years from now in one case and the cooling effects of aerosols overpowering the warming effects of carbon dioxide in the other. We've made good strides in cleaning up the aerosol pollution, as well as in our scientific understanding of this field.
Ranting about a self-appointed celebrity spokesman does not make the accumulated scientific knowledge disappear. - kamiller42, on 10/06/2009, -3/+5Let's try not to white wash history. The idea we may be in a global cooling was entertained by more than Time and Newsweek. The National Science Board and even Carl Sagan entertained the idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling#Concer ...
Scientist disagree. Scientists agree. Scientists are right. Scientists are wrong. They are not on the same page about this no matter how many times Al Gore wants to repeat it. There is insufficient evidence, historical and otherwise, to prove there is human created global warming and even less evidence there is anything man can do about it to significantly change it. - vikingcoder, on 10/06/2009, -3/+4Ideological opinion columns pointing to daily & weekly newspaper articles do not make the published scientific research disappear.
There was no 1970s "global cooling scare" in the scientific literature. Time and Newsweek, and all popular weeklies & dailies, are not reliable sources of scientific knowledge.
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf A review of the literature suggests that, to the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists’ thinking about the most important forces shaping Earth’s climate on human time scales. More importantly than showing the falsehood of the myth, this review shows the important way scientists of the time built the foundation on which the cohesive enterprise of modern climate science now rests.
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The survey identified only seven articles indicating cooling compared to 42 indicating warming. - vikingcoder, on 10/06/2009, -3/+4Both terms, "climate change" and "global warming", are accurate. It is called "global warming" because the averaged temperature is rising. It is called "climate change" because the increased energy (i.e. temperature) won't affect all locales equally. "Climate change" isn't a new term; it's the IPCC, not IPGW & the first assessment report was released in 1990. It has been called "climate change" since 1975. http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12181 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/189 ...
"Climate change" became the terminology of choice under the Bush administration after the Republican consultant Frank Luntz determined that people were less likely to be stirred to action with the terminology "climate change" as opposed to "global warming." http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2003/mar/04/ ... http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/ ... Luntz wrote: "'Climate change' is less frightening than 'global warming.' ... While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge" - lostlyrics, on 10/06/2009, -3/+4I reported that very dense spammocrap singularity, Feng
they probably let him alive only to trace back routes of his
mothership and joints with other totally obsessed abusers, - lostlyrics, on 10/06/2009, -2/+3it would be really nice if just for once you
could quit talking ***** yet before fallen over. http://jk.lostlyrics.eu/stella.jpg
check my favorites. it contains an article about
companies trying to cheat green principles while
to represent earth-conservatives is not a lobby yet. - mixlplex, on 10/06/2009, -2/+3US Chamber of Commerce actually wants a bill that'll do some real good, and they don't want a half hearted attempt.
http://www.uschamber.com/press/releases/2009/septe ...
The media just wants a nice headline, and will omit facts to get a saucy article. - sivyr, on 10/06/2009, -1/+2Well, I stand corrected. Thanks for the source.
- inactive, on 10/06/2009, -5/+6Simply put, the late 20th century warming is not unusual nor "unprecedented."
This is huge news that has gigantic implications, both economic and political. Since this past global warming was not extraordinary, it can no longer be extrapolated by global warming alarmists as producing catastrophic climate change causing the polar ice sheets to melt, thus causing incredible sea rises with associated "drowning" of coastal areas. All the catastrophic calamities that Al Gore, President Obama, the EU and the United Nations have claimed are based on false conclusions from bogus tree ring research. It would now be fair and accurate to conclude that the trillions of dollars that politicians want to spend on the reduction of CO2 emissions and the imposition of a drastically lower energy lifestyle on the world's citizens is totally without merit.
http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/10/whats-revkin-be ... - kamiller42, on 10/06/2009, -3/+4Correlation does not mean causation. If there is anyone in denial, it's you. You ignore the facts.
Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
Comments on Global Warming
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/gw.htm ...
Heretical Thoughts on Global Warming
http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge219.html ...
Global warming - is the Sun to blame
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/358953.s ...
Heaven & Earth: Global Warming - The Missing Science
http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Earth-Warming-Missing ...
Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction= ...
Global Warming: Was it ever really a crisis?
http://www.heartland.org/events/NewYork09/proceedi ...
Carbon Sense Coalition
http://carbon-sense.com/category/the-evidence/
And look at the ridiculous claims of the effects of global warming..
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
The sky is not falling. - greenfyre, on 10/06/2009, -3/+4Cite single scientific paper doing that
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