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- StateTheObvious, on 10/10/2007, -7/+54Apparently, it's not the unlocking that will damage your phone, it's the Apple update. I would guess that the update checks to see if you have unlocked your phone, then disables it or otherwise harms the phone. If it was the unlocking that did it, it would happen when you unlock it, not when Apple updates its software. So yea, sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
- lohphat, on 10/10/2007, -15/+52Waaah, MicroSoft is an evil monopoly who takes choices away! Apple is SOOOOOO much better!
/hypocrites - neenach2002, on 10/10/2007, -7/+39I believe it only applies to SIM unlocking...however, I DO smell a class-action against Apple/AT&T coming. :O
- ivanvanderbyl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+32The hackers will hack this update, just as they did with the last.
- yomamaisfat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+29Apparently we're not suppose to download free music from the Internet either. Who would've thought?
- qevlhma93, on 10/10/2007, -3/+27It is not like this is a shock to anyone.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22No, because I won't be updating.
- fishbert, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22dupity-dupe-dupe
http://www.digg.com/apple/Apple_says_iPhone_unlock ...
(600+ diggs, front page... 8, maybe 9 hours ago?) - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Those apple apologists in the thread make me sick. If MS did the same thing they would be all over it.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Well apparently the sim settings are stored in the actual modem part of the phone. Not in the software or firmware at all, so for apple to spew this ***** about a sim unlock (that has nothing to do with the firmware) being responsible for killing their phones is patently ridiculous.
Its APPLE'S update that will kill your iPhone, not any unlock that has already been performed on it!
Apple, face it, you've lost control of the iPhone. Your customers didn't like the expensive and limited walled garden you forced them to play in and they have started climbing the fence to escape the clutches of the evil AT&T empire. You will never be able to stop them, and you will never be able to regain control. Learn to understand that YOU (apple) simply DON'T always (often) know what your customers want, and you no longer get to tell them what they want any more.
With your increased market share you have had to give up a lot of things, among then the idea that your products were special in every way and you will now have to give up your control-freak attitude, at least if you want to grow any bigger.
Learn to love your customers, not penalize them for wanting to do what they want rather than what you are willing to let them! - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14They do this already for Sony's PSP. Sony gets so much flack for doing the same thing Apple is doing.
Also how the ***** can any software get irreparably damaged. any software can be reinstalled or reflashed. Apple is just spreading FUD. - crash331, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14It is not illegal to unlock a cell phone from a provider, according to the DMCA.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Apple says it causes irreparable damage to my phone to unlock it?
What's the damage they speak of? Damage to their bottom line? - CaptnHector, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Apple's only potentially financially liable if their update purposefully breaks unlocked phones. If their update adds features that in the natural course of things renders unlocked phones "bricked", then that's perfectly alright. That is to say, Apple is allowed to void a warranty if the phone's been ***** with, and since unlocking changes the phone fundamentally, they can't be expected to support it, via software update or otherwise.
However, if Apple is going out and deliberately destroying unlocked iphones, they should be in some trouble. Last time I checked, it was legal to unlock your phone, and in the course of doing so, bypass the provisions of the DMCA. Apple could be liable for maliciously destroying property, or something of the sort. - Alex2, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17The next firmware update will create a super beowulf cluster of samsung cpu's with wifi and cell communication which will then in turn create Skynet, which will then create cyborg army which will take over the world.
Don't unlock your iPhone. - cwmonkey, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Microsoft told me downloading Windows illegally put me at risk for "stuff" and "things".
- beverlydempsey, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14No updating for me. Till I see what happens to the others.
- mattdanis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12What a load of *****. People own their phones, so they should be ones to decide what service to use. AT&T can suck my dick.
- ClOlD, on 10/10/2007, -13/+23You mean it wasn't an expensive brick since the day of release?
- zimsters, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12this reminds me of their itunes updates for windows which come out every 2 weeks, is 50mb in size and asks for a reboot each time. and then apple has the nerve to use the whole "oh you have to keep restarting windows when you make changes" argument, even thought i think itunes is about the only software in 2+ years that has requested me to reboot.
- colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Except OS X on a PC doesn't try and reflash your hardware...
- DokGonzo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8It's just a bunch of FUD anyway... I mean why in the hell would the update mess with SIM settings?
- rivostevo, on 10/10/2007, -9/+16Anyone else think they'll have an expensive brick with 1.1.1?
- da_bradler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Exactly, the thing that could be considered illegal is Apple going out of there way to brick iPhones which were unlocked legally. it doesn't matter if they say you can't do it in the terms and conditions, there Terms and Conditions don't override the DMCA and since you don't buy the iPhone on an actual contract your not violating any signed agreement.
- insinuate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Uh oh, AT&T is pushing for some money.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6the software might be stored up steve jobs ass for all i care. any software can be reflashed on the hardware. software ***** ups will not result in bricks if you have access to the right tools. this is proven by the PSP homebrew scene which has released a tool that virtually makes it impossible to brick a PSP.
- insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6It is legal to unlock a phone. If Apple wanted to avoid this carrier issue they should have gone with verizon or sprint. They chose the one type of phone, you legally can't stop users from unlocking.
- r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Windows :P
- DokGonzo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6It's the law, yo!
- tdous, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Perhaps the first time they're been a real threat to anyone.
- wm666, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Will it decrease the market share of iPhone? Will Microsoft happy to see iPhone is gonna to lock again and people are going to buy the Windows Mobile phone?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Browser, themes, ability to play mp3 while browsing through the picture section, PS1 games on the PSP. The only reason the PSP has been that strong is because of the homebrewer.
- insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Same with linksys wireless routers. The official firmware only got QoS functionality due to alternative custom firmwares that were adding everything.
- da_bradler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Actually it is written into the DMCA that you DO have the right to unlock your phone. and almost every other country in the world requires providers to unlock there phones as per request(normally after a set amount of time like a year) Apple and AT&T seem to want to try and ignore the law and threaten anybody who tries to exert there own rights.
- amadeusdemarzi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4yeah, but when it is still in the top 10, it gets a bit excessive, don't you think?
- Hickeroar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think the only people worried about expense should be apple. If apple does something utterly stupid like bricking all the modded iPhones, Apple will have a very large number of people who will swear them off for all eternity. If I went out and blew $600 on a phone and the company bricked it on me, i'd be SUPER pissed. I'm an apple fan all around (and I don't own an iPhone) but this just pisses me off. It's completely opposite of the "hip, cool, and trendy" company that Apple tries to portray themselves as. Jobs just might have too much Gates in him.
- da_bradler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3bad comparison, in no way is it illegal to unlock your phone
- da_bradler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4yeah... but it's not illegal to unlock your phone... it's actually specifically legal and written into the DMCA
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No it doesnt
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7so how does apple ***** up your ass feels like?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4HTC touch is for you my friend.
- nonsequitor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I wonder how long it will take them to figure out a "safe" hack after the update. That whole thing about the software being damaged and the phone becoming bricked as a result sounds fishy.
I mean seriously, Apple is able to update the rest of their products without breaking anything except Linux support for their peripherals all the time... Oh. - bigdaddyguido, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3''This has nothing to do with proactively disabling a phone that is unlocked or hacked,'' Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, said in an interview. ''It's unfortunate that some of these programs have caused damage to the iPhone software, but Apple cannot be responsible for ... those consequences.''
how exactly is this saying all 3rd party software is banned. Apple specifically mentioned wanting 3rd party applications for their phone, and has repeatedly said that unlocking isn't something illegal, but that they cannot be held responsible for some software hack destroying your phone. Sounds basically to me like every other company saying that making home-brew adjustments to the firmware voids your warrenty because they can't be responsible for your homebrew. So stop misquoting apple to make them sound like villians, if you don't wantcan't afford an iphone, then suck it up and let the rest of cingular users enjoy it. - neoneddy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8FTA "Apple has discovered that many of the unauthorized iPhone unlocking programs available on the Internet cause irreparable damage to the iPhone's software, which will likely result in the modified iPhone becoming permanently inoperable when a future Apple-supplied iPhone software update is installed."
I take that to be a bit of FUD, and saying that unlockers beware, the unlocking programs could brick your phone. Also are the updates forced? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Don't brick me, bro!
- insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3All anyone needs is a skin for windows mobile that does everything the iphone interface does. Then you can easily write all the apps you want for it and use any carrier, without risking any updates that will disable your phone.
- tdous, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5You didn't think you'd stay afloat with that in a thread soon to be filled with dribble Apple fanmorons did you?
- smhill, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Simply don't do the update then, problem solved.
It could also be that this is nothing more than a disclaimer. They have been doing all kinds of updates, some of those may screw up parts the hacks use. So rather then try to worry about compatibility or making sure the system operates correctly if you have the hack installed, they simply said ***** it, we'll update the software how we see fit, if it conflicts with something else you put on, not our problem. That also may be the reason that haven't allowed 3rd party apps yet, iPhone is still a first gen and they are knocking all kinds of bugs, At this point they don't have to worry about anyone else's software.
Or they part of the patch may simply be to break the unlocking tools.
Either way the "smelling a lawsuit" stuff is nonsense. While unlockers are protected, companies are not certainly not required to support it. If you unlock it, it is probably best to avoid the update. Or at least wait until a new patch is released.
More info from the lawyer who won the case allowing phones to be unlocked:
http://www.ipodobserver.com/story/32788 -
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