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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+76Youtube video quality is horrible when it takes up about 3" of my screen. I'd hate to see it taking up my 61" HDTV.
- zioxide, on 10/11/2007, -5/+34I hope this means HD content is coming.
- superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27Perhaps, just perhaps, the future existence of a 160GB Apple TV also implies the future existence of something that would need that kind of space. Like, say, HD video?
- OneManArmy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+22"Why would you buy a self proclaimed video streaming device with this much local storage?"
May be because I don't want to keep the source of the stream turned on while watching the video on the AppleTV? - johnpaul191, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18i listened to a Mac podcast (MacBreak Weekly) and most of the people had been using the AppleTV. from what they said, the big reason seems to be that some people have a laptop as their main/only computer. this way you don't have to leave the machine on to watch content. another reason, some were using older 802.11 protocols on the content hosting machine, so they had buffering issues with some stuff.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18How come I can stream to my Xbox 360, PS3 from a DLNA (UPnP TV) server but I can't stream to an Apple TV?
Apple, how about opening this thing up to be useful for more than a channel to buy content from the iTunes Music Store? - superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13160GB of storage is a pretty damn big hint, as far as I am concerned.
- consonance, on 10/11/2007, -11/+21People actually bought the $300 version?
- the_snitch, on 10/11/2007, -7/+16ever since they announced the apple tv (then iTv), I thought that YouTube would be a Killer App. Awesome that it's finally happening
- domr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10@geminitojanus:
People don't *upload* their original content to YouTube in FLV format. They upload in whatever format and resolution they have and YouTube process that into lowres FLVs. But you can be 100% sure that they keep the original format and could re-encode them at higher resolutions if that's how they were uploaded. - HappyScrappy, on 10/11/2007, -14/+22What makes you think it's in regular YouTube quality?
If it were in regular YouTube quality, wouldn't there be content available day 1, instead of "thousands of the most popular vids being made available each week"? - Hazardc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9original xbox + 500GB hard drive> apple tv
and cheaper
every video game from all early systems, huge movie/tv show collection, entire music collection, HD, and much more
all in a cheap box. if someone would release a consumer device that could do all of this out of the box, i might be on it.
when my over half a decade old xbox is this much better than this new shiny apple tv, no thanks - aapala, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12I am so ***** sick of companies charging out the ass for hard drive space. Although this is not quite as bad as what MicroSoft did with the 360, it is still ridiculous to charge a hundred ***** bucks for (an additional) 120GB.
- gamemaster357, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9what a great way to screw the guys who got the 40 GB version for $299
- anonym41414, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Or just plug it into the damn USB or Firewire port. Holy cow, some people like to make things way too complicated.
- miniboss, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6$399 for a 160GB AppleTV? Well that explains why they don't allow that USB port to be used for external storage.
- ronmexico, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7What does F.U.C.K.E.D. stand for?
- ronmexico, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Mindbender, you can put any music or videos you want into your iTunes library and play it over Apple TV. It doesn't have to come from the iTunes store.
- kevinshea, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Ok so I just called Apple, and they said "return your AppleTV if its within its 30 days, and get a store credit" otherwise if I wait until its out of the 30 day warranty period I'm SOL if I want to pull the switch-a-roo.
Looks like I'm short 1 AppleTV until they release this new one OR I suck it up and just buy another tv and run 2 ATV units.
Choices, choices. - biggrz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Even after reading all I have about this device, I still can't figure out for the life of me why anyone would choose this over the million alternatives out there. At 400 bucks, you're entering PC territory, why not just just go for the flexibility of a real media center at that point...?
- Maasneotek, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I'm assuming you bought the 40gb version? That sucks, is it still under warranty? Maybe you can call them and ask for an upgrade/ swap for the difference? It's worth a try.
- Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Well considering the other one wasn't big enough for the content people currently have on their computers, I wouldn't necessarily think it means iTunesHD is soon to come.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Wrong flag!
This one's an impostor and nowhere near as annoying as the real one. - tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6YouTube is only 'YouTube quality' because of their current distribution model, i.e. streaming in a browser with Flash. There's no reason at all why they couldn't develop a new distribution model too, like providing high-quality streaming and/or downloads with specific partners.
- colincornaby, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"How come I can stream to my Xbox 360, PS3 from a DLNA (UPnP TV) server but I can't stream to an Apple TV?"
Can't you stream to the Apple TV? On the Apple TV, browse for your computer, and then select the media you want to stream to your TV. Edit: oh, you have a custom server. I should learn to read better. Bury away. - mepawl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I'd like Apple to offer TV Shows and Movies in the iTMS outside the US to a reasonable price, so Apple TV was a little more useful than it is now! I mean in the US iTMS a TV show costs 1.99 Dollars, a MUSIC VIDEO costs 2.49 Euros in the European Stores. That's ~3.35 Dollars for a three Minute long Video...
*sigh* - implementor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Eh, I'll just stick with my Windows Media Center pc. Does everything that the Apple machine does, and I can put in any size hard drive I want.
- ronmexico, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Thank you for your insightful comments.
- judicar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You can use a full size hard drive with a mac mini but it's not easy to set up, since it's a 5 volt system you basically have to take an external hdd enclosure and 22 pin internal sata extension and splice the 12volt power from the enclosure into the extension. I run a 500gb drive on my mini this way with no problems other than it's ugly as hell :P
here's the cable: http://www.cooldrives.com/sainexca22ex.html - easy4lif, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I upgraded mine to 100GB for less then 50 bucks I don't think I'll need more drive space then that since I tend to manage my media between my primary computer and my Apple TV pretty well. But selling a 160GB version will definately help sell more & bring the Apple TV into the main stream.
- th3wiz4rd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Yeah, I know, the youtube script on my modded xbox (that I've had for about 2 years) is awesome.
- mojojojo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3There are a lot of things not right with this announcement. I would have like to seen the entry level drop. 199 is a much easier pricepoint to swallow. Almost an impulse buy for what it does. This breaks traditional apple style pricing logic (where the larger model replaces the current, cutting some margin off the lower end).
Either way, it's a new product and will see much improvement. Until surround sound, no thanks. - soogy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@hazardc
The original Xbox can't play HD movies unless you upgrade the RAM and CPU (which can be costly: over $100). Even then, it will only play some 720p (depending on the codec) at a decent framerate, forget about 1080i/p.
You're better off building a PC for this, which you can EASILY do for $399; most rendering is offloaded to the GPU, so any DX9 card will do. Basically, CPU $60 + mATX mobo $50 + RAM $60 (2GB DDR2-667) + 320GB HDD $70 + SFF case with PSU $70 + misc $30 + low-end GPU $60. There's your $400, and it'll do more than just play movies. - mindbender9, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"Apple, how about opening this thing up to be useful for more than a channel to buy content from the iTunes Music Store?"
This is exactly what I'm confused about with this device. If the only source of content is the iTunes store (from what I'm guessing), what is the appeal of the AppleTV to people who have their own video sources (dvd's, video files, a video streaming server, etc.)?
It seems like it's just another revenue generator for Apple if it's locked *only* to the iTunes store. I'm glad they didn't take this approach with the iPod by making it only play AAC files from Apple.
Can someone explain the novelty of this item to me? It seems so limited for such a price (and small HDD). Thanks. - Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Flag is getting annoyed, Yahoo!
- lo0ol, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"Sure it makes sense, but YouTube doesn't *have* any higher quality content, it's all FLV-encoded video, so in order to support new devices it'd have to basically rebuild itself"
They are. YouTube is converting uploaded videos to H.264 so Apple TV can tap into it:
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/05/30/youtube-on-apple-tv-to-use-h-264/ - 35263526, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3No, it's not. Not when the drive in question is a 2.5" notebook drive (which is what is used in both the Xbox 360 and the aTV).
Seriously, go check the OEM prices for those; they're considerably more expensive than 3.5" desktop drives. It _is_ around $100 for a 160 GB model. - seneyr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Shouldn't this have been in the release from the start? I love the concept of Apple TV, but a bigger hard drive was the primary complaint everyone had. Getting YouTube integrated in was a no-brainer. Does it include Google Video too?
- matu4251, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2a lot of comments are about streaming... my understanding of iTV is that you synchronize your iTV with your iTune library.
Basically you are making a local copy on the iTV (thus the space)... it's wireless but not what I would call streaming.
I'd rather get a mac mini and use it as an iTV. - jinu123nyc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Sucks for all the people that purchased the "Upgraded AppleTV for $549."
http://www.weaknees.com/appletv/apple-tv-upgrade.php - almalax19, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5@sockpuppets
Yea that would go over really good with the TV and Movie companies that are trying to actually sell stuff to stream to the device. I really doubt they would want to open this thing wide open for pirates. When your sitting down in mommies basement surfing torrent sites you dont have to worry about much but when your a multi-billion dollar company you have to worry about a little thing called lawsuits and business partnerships.
If people want to hack it then amen to them but to expect Apple to do it is insane from a legal standpoint. - mrblack, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2£1.99 baby. Thats about $4. Alas who buys music videos? Considering there are loads of channels with those music adverts on.
- mepawl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Exactly...I'd just like to buy "The Office" Episodes...or Movies...
But...wow...1.99 Pounds is crazy! - Richyfp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2£269
http://www.apple.com/uk/pr/300507_appletv_youtube.html - siggyfawn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Newbie question.
Can I stream most popular formats to the apple tv? I download a lot of tv shows, and I'd love to be able to watch them on apply TV instead of using my laptop with an s-video cable.
Thanks.
(and why does HD space matter for applytv, I thought it streamed the content from the network?) - SwornPacifist, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3@siggyfawn
From what I understand, it doesn't yet support all the common formats out of the box, you have to hack it to support DIVX, XVID, etc
An XMBC Xbox works great for this, but requires a lot of technical know-how to get up and running, since it requires a modded Xbox to start with. Once it's set up and running, along with µTorrent grabbing TV shows off RSS feeds automatically, it's like free Tivo without ads! :-) - DiggDoctor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Seems kind of a high price for a technology that dosn't have mush to offer in the first place...
- Maasneotek, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@Mindbender the concept is called a "walled garden" whereby a company offers a portal to only certain providers guaranteeing revenue to specific sponsors.
My guess is we will see more functionality in this product as time goes on. The itunes movies and music support is just a foothold. I can imagine AppleTV will eventually support DLNA and allow easier tinkering, but for now, I think they are prioritizing secure high end content before they move on to 'opening it up' for the rest of us.
For the record a 120gb 2.5' HD is about a hundred so at least they aren't OVER charging for the extra hardware. I DO think they made a huge mistake not including such a large HD to begin with. I guess they underestimated how many people would be willing to stream proprietary media from another PC. - easy4lif, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1at this point, I'd want 3 things for an update to the apple TV
1.) direct buying from the device itself.
2.) access to the USB port so you can plug in a external drive (500GB +)
3.) HD Content. - chuckpenzone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1they better be ramping up for HD - this thing looks like video from a Sega Genesis
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