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- mateo60, on 09/23/2008, -3/+183Wow. That's *****.
For years, I've heard people say that if Apple held the same market-share that Microsoft held, that Apple would be worse (or more evil) than Microsoft. I'm starting to believe this is true. - meamog, on 09/23/2008, -2/+115Well, that's a ***** way of dealing with a real problem.
- EricVKX, on 09/23/2008, -1/+68If nobody talks about it, it's no longer a problem!
- dn11, on 09/24/2008, -0/+60Apple: Now With More Evil. That 1984 commercial feels more ironic all the time.
- Nuvi, on 09/24/2008, -0/+52I'll bet Steve regrets ever releasing 1984 commercial. MS should forget their "I'm PC campaign" get all the irony out of Apple's "Think Different" and 1984. Its strange how MS feels less evil every day and meanwhile Apple is growing horns.
-Mac user since day one- - griz, on 09/23/2008, -0/+49You're rejected and you can't tell anyone about it? HUH?
This makes no sense. - Nenb, on 09/23/2008, -0/+45And I thought rejecting the Podcaster and Gmail apps were stupid moves to begin with. Now this? Wow. Just wow...
- MWeather, on 09/24/2008, -0/+28So what if a publicly traded company poured a ton of money into an iPhone app, and was rejected? Can they tell their shareholders? What about SEC filings?
- SIoNO, on 09/23/2008, -3/+28Bravo Apple! You just won the price for "the best way of resolving a problem 2008"
- Stemnin, on 09/24/2008, -2/+26"The first rule of App Store rejections is, you do not talk about App Store rejections!"
- hardeep1singh, on 09/24/2008, -2/+26Apple isn't growing horns, Steve Jobs is just revealing his true self. Thank God, he doesn't run Microsoft.
- inactive, on 09/23/2008, -0/+17Why not take a look at the approval process Apple? Instead they look into ways to screw you for not liking the process.
- FreakyT, on 09/24/2008, -1/+17Oh Apple...and people say Microsoft is evil.
- seastobble, on 09/24/2008, -1/+15what a bunch of *****
- insomniac8400, on 09/24/2008, -0/+13I'd imagine throwing 700 billion at a problem trumps an NDA.
- cawpin, on 09/24/2008, -0/+12It also isn't legally enforceable. They didn't sign anything regarding a rejection letter.
- mythicflux, on 09/24/2008, -0/+12It's especially damning because they reject you AFTER you've spent time and money (or both) building your app. You can't talk about the iPhone SDK when you sign up, you can't talk about it if Apple decides to randomly reject your product.
Wait for all those iPhone developers to jump to Android and Google. Apple's keeps forgetting that fundamental lesson they should have learned years ago. 3rd party developers are vital for any platform to be successful. - stutimandal, on 09/24/2008, -3/+14I can't help but laugh at the fanboys. All the while they rooted that Microsoft is evil because it has 98% market share. Look at your own favorite, it is more evil than Microsoft at 5% market share.
- Proel, on 09/23/2008, -2/+12Apple isn't exactly famous for being accommodating of their clients or the public in general... so this is hardly a surprise. It's their way or the highway, and usually everyone just settles for it because the product is superior in some way.
- Trifold, on 09/24/2008, -0/+10Wow...Android's looking better and better...
- BXRWXR, on 09/24/2008, -6/+16I guess it sucks to be a trendy *****...
- GameEngineer, on 09/24/2008, -0/+9http://code.google.com/android/index.html
More and more Android based phones are in the pipeline and as soon as the source for Android gets released people will be porting it to every mobile platform possible. Even sub-notebook device makers are looking at Android for their devices.
Apple will increasingly be marginalized into irrelevancy in the mobile market. - geoken, on 09/24/2008, -2/+11Apple lost round 1 because they were too closed off and controlling. They made a comeback when kids who like shiny things started buying their stuff again, but they haven't changed.
- markhp, on 09/24/2008, -0/+9The more popular they get, the more controlling and image micro-managing they become. Once they've won the support, why do they need to continue bowing to the miserable developers demands?
- random44, on 09/23/2008, -2/+10That's it. I've decided not only not to pursue development on the iPhone (which was questionable in the short term for me anyways) - I will no longer buy apps on the store. Also, I will not buy a 3G until Apple fixes this situation. Too bad for me and my wife, but this is ridiculous. :(
- dougmc, on 09/24/2008, -0/+8Apple won round 1 and were *extremely* open at the time. Remember the Apple ][ ?
The instructions came with detailed disassemblies of their monitor (firmware) complete with comments! Basically, you got the source code to the machine! Everything was pretty open back then (at least by today's standards) but Apple was even more so.
You're probably thinking of round 2 (or perhaps round 3 ... the Apple /// didn't do so well ...)
(The Apple I didn't really count as a round :) - CoreyTamas, on 09/24/2008, -0/+8I have trouble seeing how this could be legal. Having signed many NDA's in my time, I have come to learn that the "A" stands for "agreement". This is why you actually need people to sign an NDA - to show they agree. The embargoed information is usually shared *after* the signatures happen.
It seems to me that Apple is just sticking "NDA" in there to scare any loud-mouths (and Digg users) who wouldn't know better. - loconet, on 09/24/2008, -0/+8Every passing day Apple makes Microsoft look more and more like an Open Source company.
- inactive, on 09/24/2008, -0/+8So if you don't agree to the rejection NDA does your app automatically get accepted? :)
- astitious, on 09/24/2008, -1/+9I'm starting to regret my purchase of an iPhone. I LOVE the device, but I hate AT&T (because they helped the government spy on us) and I hate how iron-fisted Apple is becoming.
- ileftfark, on 09/24/2008, -2/+10It's kind of sad that you contribute to two causes you don't believe in in exchange for a snazzy cell phone.
- jamshid, on 09/24/2008, -0/+8Yeah, the iphone is an incredible device, a great feat of engineering, but as author Jonathan Zittrain said back in May, Apple is worse than Microsoft in many respects. FTA http://www.newsweek.com/id/135150
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Q: But Bill Gates has total control, doesn't he?
A: No he doesn't. That's the ironic thing. Bill Gates is Mr. Proprietary. But for my purposes, even under the standard Windows operating system from 1990, 1991, you write the code, you can hand it to somebody else and they can run it. Bill Gates has nothing to say about it. So it's funny to think that by moving in Steve Jobs's direction it actually ends up far more proprietary.
Jobs is notorious for creating a very closed ecosystem of products that include the iPod and iPhone.
Yeah, it's amazing to me how much the progress of Apple has tracked the trajectory that I'm concerned about. It was Steve Jobs who brought us the first PC in '77--totally reprogrammable, totally generative. It was Steve Jobs who then came out with the Mac that made it so much easier to use while retaining the generative quality and allowing everyone to write code for it. Now Steve Jobs is bringing us the iPhone, which in version one is completely locked down. And then in the most recent announcement Steve Jobs says, "OK, we're going to allow third-party apps, but you can't just hand an app to someone, you have to put it through the iPhone store, and we reserve the right to take a cut for every app. And if we don't like the app, we can kill it." - VipeNess, on 09/24/2008, -0/+7you know apple has been really pissing me off lately; control the way their company treats the developers
- localzuk, on 09/24/2008, -0/+7Hmm... I see lawsuits ahead - anti-competitive practices. One thing that people should remember is that an NDA is a civil contract, and as such some clauses in the contract could very well be unenforceable or in fact void if a judge looks at them.
This sort of thing would certainly be open to a case in the UK from what I can see, as our consumer protection laws are very tough. - XxtraLarGe, on 09/24/2008, -0/+6I don't know what the deal is with Apple. First, the NDA is ridiculous. Anybody can get into the developer program for free and download the developer tools for free, but you can't share your code or discuss it? This is a serious way to slow down the number of Apps available on your platform. I know there's tons on the App store, but imagine how many people aren't developing because of the NDA? I'm glad Android is coming along, I wonder if Apple will learn from it's past errors at the hand of Microsoft?
- tRANIS, on 09/24/2008, -0/+6Sounds a lot like the Paranoia RPG to me.
"I'm sorry, Citizen but you neglected to fill out Form G7r8-ghnba-1 Rev. 99991929949459c so you have forfeited your PDC (Personal Data Computer ie iPhone) carrying rights. Please report to a Termination Booth immediately.
Sincerely,
Your Friend the Computer (ie Apple) - tomz17, on 09/24/2008, -1/+7@darny Good job winning the idiot award...
random44 is completely correct. In a capitalistic society, if you don't like something a company is doing, vote with your wallet!!! - unclejimbo88, on 09/24/2008, -0/+6Windows mobile doesn't try to stop people from running apps just because Microsoft doesn't like it.
- norman619, on 09/24/2008, -1/+7What do you expect from Steve Jobs? HE has a history of taking criticism badly.
- inactive, on 09/24/2008, -1/+6***** Apple.
Even Microsoft isn't this evil. - jserio, on 09/24/2008, -0/+5dougmc: that was when Woz was around. Jobs has, and always will be a control freak.
- whahaa, on 09/24/2008, -2/+7here's hoping someone or many someones simply ignore that NDA and take this whole mess to court.
- Ratatosk, on 09/24/2008, -1/+6good that we have a serious phone alternative (well, let's say: a way better phone platform cause it comes without this controlled crap)
- bjornski, on 09/24/2008, -0/+5Nope.
- Elranzer, on 09/24/2008, -2/+7Apple is the popped-collar polo shirt of tech companies.
From the originally-closed platform of the initial iPhone, to the proprietary Apps Store, to the lock-in witjh AT&T and even the stolen name ("iPhone" is a trademark of Cisco/Linksys)... iPhone is definitely the douchiest phone out there.
Apple Apologist: BUT IT'S SHINY!!!! - inactive, on 09/24/2008, -0/+5Rejection letters aren't solicited by their recipients. With that being said, wouldn't the recipient have to agree to the NDA before-hand for it to be valid?
"I'm going to tell you something whether you want to hear it or not. Now don't tell anyone what I said." o.O?
edit: I see CoreyTamas is thinking the same thing. - emillman, on 09/24/2008, -0/+4yah, frankly it's one of the reasons they ended up with such a minority market share compared to PC (and i don't mean Microsoft.) They clamped down on who could sell what and PC just let the market go wild.
Lets all remember: Open good, Closed bad... - inactive, on 09/24/2008, -0/+4Maybe they can cast Tom Crusie as the next "I'm a Mac"?
- consonance, on 09/24/2008, -0/+4Apple: "I haven't listened to a single complaint yet!"
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