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- MattBlackCat, on 11/11/2009, -3/+44It's not that the did or didn't know what they were doing.... they just didn't care.
- Giac, on 11/11/2009, -1/+35theres no point anyway...someone who is tech savvy enough to install OS X on a netbook isn't gonna just update it by accident.
- brbeaird, on 11/11/2009, -9/+42"In fact, Apple might not have even been aware that it was 'breaking' support for hacked netbooks with this update at all."
I don't buy that. They definitely knew what they were doing. - Orbital101, on 11/11/2009, -1/+23They didn't care about breaking support for a machine they don't make and haven't committed to supporting?
That's crazy talk. - specialK16, on 11/11/2009, -5/+25I'll sure as ***** enjoy my "cheap" Core i7, ATI 5870 build, with my Antec P180 case :).
Don't worry, Apple users are all about "looks". - vivancos, on 11/11/2009, -9/+26Apple hasn't made a netbook yet because of the limitations that those things have and the low expectation people has on netbooks will require a less complicated OS, thing that kills Apple's fame of "the perfect OS".
Well that's what my intelligent side says... Here's what the other side says:
I want an effing hackintosh instead of this piece of crap that I have!!! - phogasmic, on 11/11/2009, -2/+19I don't think they care if they break support or not.
- vtnerd, on 11/11/2009, -19/+34Apple's OS is uncomplicated and is quite possibly the most dumbed-down OS I've ever used.
Apple doesn't make a netbook b/c netbooks generally have lower prices. Apple is greedy and enjoys overcharging its customers for generic hardware. - vtnerd, on 11/11/2009, -17/+32LOL @ ignorance.
The motherboard, the processor, the graphics card, the RAM, the hard drive, the optical drive, etc etc etc - all of the major parts of the computer - are all generic pieces of hardware that you can find in any number of other computers.
Apples' innovation (if there is any) has been limited to occasionally creating a cool new trackpad (in between failures like the one-button mouse) and making a pretty looking case, nothing more. A multitouch trackpad and a pretty case are not groundbreaking, by any stretch of the imagination (except to delusional Mac fanboys like phogasmic perhaps). - 4NDr01D, on 11/11/2009, -6/+19to put this article in another light
its not Apple's job to support iPhone software on Zunes - KMartSheriff, on 11/11/2009, -4/+17HOW DARE THEY BREAK SUPPORT FOR MY UNSUPPORTED NON-APPLE MACHINE!! RAGE!!!
- Leakey, on 11/11/2009, -2/+14HP Mini 311, ION version. Do it.
- specialK16, on 11/11/2009, -5/+17@mrBitch:
hurr durr unix lol. Get over yourself, enjoy your closed bastardized BSD kernel.
Windows 7 is perfectly fine except to Apple users of course. And btw, Windows supports EFI since the Vista days. - serif69, on 11/11/2009, -2/+13It's more realistic for them to just support the small sample of processor types they've used in their own computers. There's no reason for them to test on anything else. So if some small piece of code somewhere in the OS broke support for a processor they don't support, they'd never know, and they frankly would not care.
- MattBlackCat, on 11/11/2009, -2/+11FFS it's CUE
- wonderchemist, on 11/11/2009, -4/+13How can it be offically removed when it was never offically supported in the first place?
- phogasmic, on 11/11/2009, -1/+10You brought a licensee for the OS to install on a Mac. If they sold OSX to be installed on any Computer they would not be selling it for $129.
- ohreilly, on 11/11/2009, -13/+22The few bits that are custom to Apple (the motherboard etc) aren't even designed by Apple - Intel does all that.
Perhaps you could credit them with the casing. Must be why the old plastic MacBooks fall apart (but don't worry, if you paid for the overpriced not-on-site AppleCare and are willing to send it off for 2 weeks at a time you're fine).
Can't wait for my MacBook to finally become too broken to fix cheaply - then I can buy a proper machine (ThinkPad etc) and not have an £800 laptop that looks like I've beaten it to death.
@phogasmic - the crap that Apple tells you to come up with is hilarious. - keozen, on 11/11/2009, -0/+9It says on the back of the box that it's meant to be run on mac hardware only, it may suck that they don't support other hardware but they don't HAVE to, they're not obliged to by any law.
Complaining about it is like complaining that your petrol engine goes bang when you fill it with diesel. - ohreilly, on 11/11/2009, -2/+10"ohreilly you've been talking about this problematic MacBook for at least a year now."
I can afford to buy a new one, but I don't see the point while it still works. I realise that the diehard Apple fanboys like buying new stuff just because it's new; I am not like that. Far more important things that I can justify buying instead.
Why would I want to sell it if I won't get much for it (yes it's a Mac but it is not in the best condition, doesn't have AppleCare and never can, and it isn't the "previous version") and it is far easier to keep it until it packs up?
"Don't worry, PC users will finally get EFI in about 5 years from now."
Is there a problem with the BIOS? It's far more customisable (compared to the Apple EFI) and doesn't restrict what hardware you can put in it (older Mac Pros can't use some if not all of the latest graphics cards - not that there is a massive choice anyway). If it was so awful, you'd have thought Intel of all people would have pushed it heavily on the boards they make. - Orbital101, on 11/11/2009, -0/+8Do you ever just stop mid-sentence and say "what the hell am I talking about?"
Might not hurt if you did now and then. - Braxo, on 11/11/2009, -0/+8I think Apple is actually more of a hardware company, and they produce the software for that hardware. They don't turn a profit with their software (no source).
With no profit, they don't want to provide the necessary support and development to make sure the software works on many different kinds of hardware. They don't want to spend the time and money just so people can put OSX on their own boxes. With their hardware, you're allowed to put whatever OS you want on it so maybe that's the reason they aren't considered a monopoly?
Where in Microsoft's case, they are a software company first. - MacParrot, on 11/11/2009, -5/+12Do you even know why Microsoft got into trouble?
HINT: It wasn't because they had a large proportion of the OS market - explodingzebras, on 11/11/2009, -2/+9i dunno why i bothered to read the comments, guess i'm bored, i might ve known it was going to be a fanboy burial ground :/
- keozen, on 11/11/2009, -0/+6If they were to release a version of OSX that was for use on any system they would have to put a LOT more work into it making it work on different hardware configurations. That work costs money and would be reflected in the final price, the quality of the final OS or both.
Making OSX be JUST for their own systems is a business descision and one that they're fully allowed to make.
If I were to cry: "OMG my air freshener plug in refills don't fit into this air freshener for a different brand that I have." you'd tell me to stop being an idiot and check what I was buying next time.
I get it though, it's fashionable to beat up on Apple. - bigbadgoat, on 11/11/2009, -0/+6You're forced to run OSX on a computer?
news to me. - specialK16, on 11/11/2009, -15/+21@phogasmic:
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.
good one mate, haven't laughed this hard in months, - akeldama, on 11/11/2009, -2/+8This comparison generated on 11-02-2009:
(legend: [=] equal to MacBook Pro, [+] better than MBP, [-] worse than MBP)
Dell Studio 17 - Intel Core 2 Duo T9600 [=], 3 Year warranty with in-home service [=], 1920x1200 17" widescreen LED display [=], 4GB RAM [=], 500GB 7200 RPM SATA hard drive [+], 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 [+], 8x slot load DVD burner [=], 802.11agn [=], 2.1 bluetooth [=], webcam [=], 9 cell battery [=] and back-lit keyboard [=].
Dell Studio 17 (as configured above) = $1,649.00
MacBook Pro 17" (standard config) + AppleCare ($349) = $2,848.00
$1,199 Apple Tax - MattBlackCat, on 11/11/2009, -0/+6.... and it's grammar not grammer
- MacParrot, on 11/11/2009, -1/+7Then don't buy it cuevo. I didn't buy a mixer/blender and then act outraged that it can't also be a bread maker. I mean they both have motors and things that spin and go BING! at the appropriate time
- Elranzer, on 11/11/2009, -2/+7You must be new to Digg. Here's a quick grammer lesson for Digg-speak...
your = you're = yore = ur
there = their = they're
cue = queue
Linux = Ubuntu
chart = infographic - Orbital101, on 11/11/2009, -0/+5Apple doesn't have to make it easier for you to spend money on products they don't make. It's fine and well to do what you want with the OS, but you're pretty bold to think Apple is supposed to pave the way to spend money on different hardware.
- malechite, on 11/11/2009, -1/+6Ive been running a hackintosh as my main system for almost 2 years now, and i've been dabbling with it ever since 10.4 came out for intel.
I updated to 10.6.2 last night no problem. (Q6600 on Asus P5K-E)
Im sure someone will just release a fix for the atom CPU in no time. theres a pretty good community of skilled developers and testers out there. - nicc, on 11/11/2009, -1/+6Apple checks for clock speed of the CPU. that is why 10.5 won't run on many PPC systems as the CPU clock is too "slow". there was a fix for that in that a certain file had to be modified for it to install on said systems...there is probably a similar "fix" for 10.6 on Atoms as well...
- drunkenoaf, on 11/11/2009, -4/+9They had to specifically disable that processor type.
The Atom is an Intel x86 processor that just worked with OSX86 builds before they did that. - Orbital101, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4I have to concede on that point .God dammit.
- jfreeman, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4The guy that they sell it to will. :P
- MacParrot, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4Exactly. The point was made earlier that if Apple ever REALLY decided to crack down on hackintoshes, they could easily do so. But the number of people running OS X on non-Apple hardware is so low that it doesn't affect them. Apple could use licensing numbers to check against how many machines a particular number has been claimed. They don't. Apple could introduce a bit of software to check what kind of machine OS X is running on and brick it if it isn't a genuine Apple Mac. They don't. Those are just two off the top of my head and I don't doubt that Apple could figure out MANY ways to prevent OS X from running on non-Apple hardware but they don't.
Again, if you're smart enough to know how to run OS X on generic hardware, you should ALSO be smart enough to know when and when NOT to upgrade.
On an unrelated note Mal...how's it running? Any significant problems? - obsessedglobe, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4No I never; Puppies! Puppies are cute.
- chrysrobyn, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4It could have been a simple case statement that finally got cleaned up. Essentially:
case (mac model number)
imac 2006, optimized kernel 1
imac 2007, optimized kernel 2
imac 2009, optimized kernel 3
I don't know anything about the specifics of the issue, but there are any number of things Apple could have done unintentionally without regard to Atom netbooks. For example, a lot of Atoms don't support x86-64, but there could be some optimizations that really want it. Toss in an exception for x86-32 Core Solo machines made years ago, and default all other machines to take this more optimized path, and suddenly a bunch of brand new Diamondville Atom Ns don't work. - digitalpencil, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4i love that i get buried for pointing out the obvious, do you guys just want to bury your heads in the sand?
MS aren't saints, neither are Apple.. get over it. - JumboJ3t, on 11/11/2009, -2/+6Apple is known in the OSx86 community to have broken support for specific graphics cards, network cards, etc. only to bring it back in the next update release. My guess (hope?) is that they do that here. Doubt it, though... queue the "iTablet"...
- ohreilly, on 11/11/2009, -5/+9Dell and Lenovo (may be others) provide longer warranties, are cheaper, and do next-day ON-SITE service. I've had experience with others and they will send UPS around to pick it up. For (roughly) the price of AppleCare, either Dell or Lenovo will sell me the onsite warranty for a longer period, plus accident damage coverage.
Apple would want me to drive 120 (round trip) miles to their Apple Store, then do it again to pick it up two weeks later. It may be different in the US, but this is how it is in the UK, at least for me.
Can't wait to have a cheaper laptop that is more reliable and has nice things built in (HSDPA, for example - when is Apple doing that?) - KMartSheriff, on 11/11/2009, -3/+7The subject, you nothing about it.
- MacParrot, on 11/11/2009, -6/+9ohreilly you've been talking about this problematic MacBook for at least a year now. When do you plan on getting a job to make enough money to replace it with a wonderful cheap Win7 (which is the best thing MS has made in years no joke there) laptop to replace it with? Sell it on eBay or Craigslist or whatever and move on
- digitalpencil, on 11/11/2009, -4/+7there's a pretty big difference between inadvertently or even purposefully locking down software from running on unsupported hardware and things like vendor lock-ins, linux/open-source sabotage, forced acquisitions, tied licensing agreements and black-listing any and every journalist who'd dare venture to shed any light on the above..
for some reason a lot of people seem to have this impression that Microsoft are just hard-done by and don't deserve the reputation they've accrued.. i'd advise reading their history.
They're not a *bad* company, they're just a large company like many others but i wouldn't pretend that locking down an operating system to a specific brand of hardware is akin to the anti-competitive practices perpetrated by Redmond.. you can be damn sure that MS would take equal measures if someone found a way of running their Xbox or Zune software on unsupported, non-ms hardware.
lets not re-write history and pretend like Ballmer's crew are just hard-done by.. they got into trouble because they flouted the law thinking their market position made them untouchable and, unfortunately, to an extent, it does.. - jasmus, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3As usual, I went to slashdot to read a discussion on this story, as it's about technology and Digg now sucks for discussing technology.
No one knows what happened yet, but that doesn't' stop people from making ***** up. The most reasonable explanation I saw on Slashdot was they are probably now compiling with further optimisations for specific processor features that the Atom doesn't support, for eg. SSE4.
But please, keep bitching about "support" being removed for a processor that was never supported. - Braxo, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3@cuervo
"which means what?"
I mean Apple made a Macintosh computer. Microsoft made DOS to work on IBM compatible machines. Microsoft doesn't make the computer hardware, so they must turn a profit with their software and OS, which is why it is priced quite high (compared to Mac OS X).
Apple on the other hand makes the hardware and they choose to provide an OS with it. They sell it to not make a profit, just to make back what they spent developing it.
Apple doesn't stop you from buying their hardware and removing their OS to install windows. You can do whatever you want with their hardware. But their software, because they break even with it, they can't lose money on the development and support costs of making it available to any machine outside their hardware. They're not a software company. - Elranzer, on 11/11/2009, -2/+5Just like they "weren't aware" they were breaking Palm Pre compatibility with each iTunes update, eh?
- keozen, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3If the diesel system was a legally patented system and he didn't have a license to do the conversions they would.
At the end of the day I'm not saying that it's awesome that apple have done it but they're in their rights to do so and technically installing OSX on another system is outside it's designed use so any problems hackintosh installers have are "par for the course" so to speak. -
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