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- rm999, on 10/10/2007, -9/+83These standards have been known for months. Dell and HP both put effort into making some of their computers meet the new requirements (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9012878)
There are two reasons that I can think of that Apple didn't.
1. They don't introduce enough new lines of computers to have reacted yet
2. They realize it's just an artificial certification, and doesn't actually mean their computers are bad for the environment. How can something be good for the environment one year and back the next?
At the same time, Dell and HP should be commended for quickly reacting to the new standards. Apple probably shouldn't be criticized. - aldenhg, on 10/10/2007, -17/+86Yes, because they are much more stringent standards than those that have been enacted in the past. The whole point of tougher standards is to force the manufacturers into making greener PCs. Dell, Lenovo and all the rest have very few computers that meet the new standards and over the coming months I'm sure that we'll see systems from nearly all manufacturers adopting the new standard.
- stevensj2, on 10/10/2007, -19/+83Is it really a surprise that computers made BEFORE the new energy standards were adopted don't meet the new standards?
That is to be expected, and affects computers in general, not just those wearing the Apple logo.
Almost any time new standards are issued AFTER a thing was manufactured you can expect that 'thing' to not meet the standards (be it a toaster, a car, or computers).
Burried as trolling. - DJNephilim, on 10/10/2007, -21/+65So what? New standards just enacted, and a company doesn't meet the new standards yet, how is this news? Ohhhh....it's APPLE, big deal, how many other computer manufacturers meet this new standard already?
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -9/+41I believe the problem is smug emissions.
- russh, on 10/10/2007, -9/+37Apple bashing FUD.... most current desktops and notebooks can no longer meet the new requirements; only 125 computers currently on sale in the US qualify, according to federal government charts. Buried: it should read "Most Computers Sold in US lose Energy Star Compliance."
- The_Ox, on 10/10/2007, -29/+55Looks like Steve Jobs will have to write another letter.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/
Of note, Apple's http://www.apple.com/environment/ page says: "All Apple computers and displays meet applicable ENERGY STAR® requirements. They continue to do so. " - andyduncan, on 10/10/2007, -6/+29Burried as inaccurate. Even though they may not yet be certified as such, Apple states that all of their Energy-Star compliant devices are, in fact, Energy Star 4.0 Compliant:
http://www.apple.com/environment/energyefficiency/ - danc256, on 10/10/2007, -4/+25This looks like a quirk of the way "Energy Star" certification works. All this is saying is Apple (and others I'm sure) do not meet the LATEST requirements. It's like saying "this software supports the GPL (version 2)" and when v3 comes out saying "this software now violates the GPL" (no, because it was written against an earlier version of the license). It wouldn't be a big issue if "Energy Star" certification was stratified a little better, like how TCO has the '99 and '03 versions.
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23FTA: dell, lenovo and gateway have computers that meet it already.
- flaminio, on 10/10/2007, -6/+25Months? How many months? 10.5 could fix this situation, for all we know. Of course, if this blogger was an actual journalist, they would have asked Apple. Instead, we get half-facts and innuendo.
- monospaced, on 10/10/2007, -25/+43There must be a means to achieve compliance to the new, stricter standards, and considering Apple uses basically the same parts (CPUs, LCDs, RAM, etc...) as most other computer manufacturers, I'm sure most computers don't meet this standard. Give Apple a break.
- ScrumFritter, on 10/10/2007, -8/+25Let's hope the new iMacs that are rumoured to be coming out soon meet the standards. After all that Greener Apple jazz, you'd think they're do their best to meet them.
- ohhush, on 10/10/2007, -7/+21Stop by an apple store and look at the new macbook pro boxes, they were updated this week and now include the energy star logo on the bottom.
inaccurate - aB0z, on 10/10/2007, -9/+23I hate digg. I load the main page hoping to see exciting new developments in the world of tech, but instead all I get is "OMG TEH IPHONE CRASHES IF YOU DO THIS ONE THING" and "OH ***** APPLE ONLY MADE *8* KAJILLION DOLLARS INSTEAD OF 10!!!!!1". Now this nothing news story about how some standards change, and imagine this - the current lineup doesn't meet the *new* standards. Sigh. Continue as you were...
- rauz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17In ur comments, digging u down.
- xaxxon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Much of the power savings available in hardware must be taken advantage of in software. The OS tells the components when they can go into power saving modes (and which power savings mode if there are multiple).
- comradeTJH, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18who cares...
- Dolomite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Most of Apple's computers already meet the new Energy Star 4.0 guidelines. http://www.apple.com/environment/resources/specs.html The original poster is making false claims based on an outdated Energy Star spreadsheet without doing a little bit of fact checking first.
- cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9FROM THE WEBSITE: "Update: Manufacturers have until January to have their products certified as Energy Star. Most federal agencies have requirements to purchase EPEAT computers, of which Energy Star is a requirement. By January, federal agencies have to purchase computers that are Energy Star certified under the new specifications. Apple should be able to meet these specifications in time. Energy star is developed in conjunction with the manufacturers." BURIED AS INACCURATE. Ignore that facts if you want people, just read the COMMENTS to the article (on that website), and you'll feel a little more informed than the author apparently.
- dreampilot, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10I have never heard anyone mention Energy Star Compliant anywhere. lol.
- turpenine, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11like who?
- huckmank, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14Yeah, and I bike 16 miles a day to and from school, so you're a ***** ***** for consuming gasoline. Of course I eat red meat, so I should be lined up against a wall and shot for using 20 times as much energy as a vegan would biking the same route.
My point, is unless you live on a plot of land completely cut off from the grid and provide you're own food without consuming energy resources, step off your ***** soapbox. - Barlo_Mung, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Damn skippy. I heat my house with a system in each room.
- stevensj2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Using logic does not make one a fanboy. As stated in my comment...it affects ALL computers, not just Apple (for good or ill)
- manitoba98xp, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Why is everyone digging this guy up? "Core 2 Duo" is a brand covering a line of desktop processors, _and_ a line of mobile processors. Conroe is the core type used in most desktop Core 2 Duos (there's also Conroe XE, Kentsfield, and Kentsfield XE). The Mac Pro is the only one using a desktop chip. The iMac is based on Merom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_2_Duo#Merom
"Merom, the first mobile version of the Core 2..."
Please, people, do some research before you digg me down. - xedd, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9You two didn't read the article did you? You just knee-jerk fashion defend Apple... Typical.
- Dralite, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12damn.. now i better throw my macbook thru the glass at the apple story while yelling "YOUR KILLING THE ENVIRONMENT!!!" and drive home in my car that hasn't met emissions in 5 years
- turpenine, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11each sticker takes a second off rendering time.
- ktkc7c, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11The environmental costs of manufacturing the Prius, especially their batteries.
- an0nym0us, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Because Apple makes the only Mac in the world?
- nblsavage, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Apple doesn't have a rapid refresh - remember they only have a few models of computers as opposed to Dell's (and other manufacturers) dozens.
- ricksite, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Do they get any credit when a person uses video iChat to communicate with someone as opposed to driving or flying to see them?
- dserfaty, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5This is a very misleading title. Buried as inacurate.
- PicklePower, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I agree. This article wasn't about the fact that Apple doesn't currently meet any of those guidelines, it was about the fact that there are new guidelines. Don't turn it into something that it isn't. From the title and description I would hope that there would be data about how off Apple is from meeting these requirements.
- zweben, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The Mac Mini, 15" and 17" MacBook Pro and the MacBook all meet the 4.0 requirements.
The Mac Pro and iMac do not. Burried as inaccurate. - mightyzug, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5super lame, it's been said here many times already, most computers don't meet the standards yet. this is just a pathetic attempt to jab apple. of course, computers don't use alot of energy to begin with by comparison with other common household devices so who cares about a near insignificant individual savings?? the only people this would be a legitimate energy concern for is the fringe minority of people who drive veggie oil cars and live completely off the grid :P hopefully we will all be there as technology gets better... but for now this is just trolling, buried.
- chandler, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5http://duggmirror.com/apple/Apple_Computers_Lose_ENERGY_STAR_Certification/
But the CSS doesn't display nicely. - rheaume, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5yeah, only 125! Like total? or 125 types of computer? Oh then thats a lot
- ramsinks.com, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3O NOOOO!!!!!
.. wait, I don't like that sticker on my stuff anyways... - Vermifax, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I use Logic Pro 7.2.3 on my Mac Pro...
OK, I'm a fanbioy. - prinzrob, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Based on the information in the link below it looks like all their laptops are already compliant:
http://www.apple.com/environment/resources/specs.html
Besides the Mac Pros it looks like the rest of the lineup is pretty close, so they will most likely become compliant upon the next model refresh or the release of Leopard, whichever comes first. - forceflow2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I wonder how many people actually look to ensure that a computer is Energy Star compliant before buying it? I'd wager not many.
- chris4404, on 10/10/2007, -8/+11Al Gore is going to be pissed.
- cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5And here comes another idiot stating the obvious. Come on, for what reason would you type this. Are you trying to start something? You don't need to be an *****, it's true!
- ffleming, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2A computer running a 700 watt supply doesn't use more energy than one using a 250 watt supply unless it needs to use it. With the same processor, fans, etc 250 and 700 watt PSes will use the same amount of power.
- apologeticus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5"Flopphyhead.com loses Digg Effect Certification"
- BigJStudd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Dude, you are writing out every excuse that GM and Ford made not to work towards California's higher fuel standards. When the safety stats for smaller cars are shown to them, then they whine about technology. I remember when they were bitching under oath about 50 MPG being technologically impossible - until the Honda Insight was unveiled one week later. Government-mandated improvement of fuel efficiency does work.
- Konstantino, on 10/10/2007, -13/+15"Only about 125 desktops and laptops currently meet the new stringent requirements."
Why make this about Apple if almost all desktop computers didn't make the cut? -
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