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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+82Lol, "copyrighted by Apple, and copyright law explicitly prohibits unauthorized display", as a preference to "trademarked by Cisco, and IP law explicitly prohibits unauthorized usage".
***** hypocritcal bastards. - SeanMoney, on 10/12/2007, -22/+69What a ***** joke. Let's hear it Mac lovers defend this *****....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+49Don't worry, they will.
- Yareking, on 10/12/2007, -9/+44Ok apple thats lame stop that being such an ass
- tom6a, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34From the cease and desist letter, "The icons and screenshot displayed on your website are copyrighted by Apple, and copyright law explicitly prohibits unauthorized display and distribution of copyrighted works. Apple therefore demands that you remove this screenshot from your website..."
There are hundreds of bloggers that have posted iPhone screenshots. What are the legal implications for all of them? It puts Apple in an odd position because I think they would be pleased with all the free blogger publicity from screenshots in blogs. It is also somewhat ironic that this comes just after the Cisco trademark suit.
My take:
Apple Challenges Bloggers Over iPhone Screenshots
http://www.omninerd.com/2007/01/14/news/1100 - ILikeBeets, on 10/12/2007, -13/+38I thought everyone but me was drinking Steve Jobs’ Kool-Aid. Too bad this story will be forgotten in about a day. Regardless though, it’s nice to see some sites are still trying to be objective about tech news as opposed to trying to appeal to the masses as a member of the Apple Geek-Chic.
- fugazi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30But if this was Microsoft you wouldn't be saying that. Why are you giving two companies different standards.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31somehow apple fanboys will manage to change the story about apple being the new evil empire to glorify apple for they actions against the skinners...
- xxdesmus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23http://rapidshare.com/files/11702455/wm5_iphone_skin.zip.html
and
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ntvis9
mirror the ***** out of this guys. Apple deserves it for this *****. - fugazi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Now if Microsoft did this what will we hear about them. Hell there would be every digg member bitching but no since its apple its only "they shouldnt be doing this."
- newyawker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25What a trashy, lame, petty, and just plain stupid move by Apple.
- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24About the Apple iPhone: I'm no PS3 fan, but $600 for it is too much, while $599 for a god-damn PHONE is all right?
(I first posted this in another topic, but the topic was buried by then)
And please don't give me anything about the 'cool' factor. The same could be said by some about the PS3. - Shirk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22But.. but... Apple is going to reinvent the phone!
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22@sabarsky -
The part that leaves out Fair Use. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24"The part that leaves out Fair Use."
Fair Use doesn't encompass taking someone else's graphics and wrapping them around your UI. If it did, it'd be so much easier to make UIs, just graft icons from whomever you want!
Of course, I'll get dugg-down for mentioning this factual point, whether or not I condone Apple sending out Cease and Desist letters. (C&D letters are just polite ways of saying "shut up". If you're not doing anything illegal, ignore them.) - rushad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14apple are little girls
- CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15No kidding. They'd be going "I think now its finally time to switch to mac!1" blah blah.
- chrism1128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Apple is way worse of power abusers than even Microsoft (who are terrible too.) They would have been doing so much worse stuff, but it just took them this long to have a monopoly on something.
If they had the Windows market share for the last 20 years, everyone would know exactly what a miserable prick that Steve Jobs is. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"anyone else think that it's weird that the company says the represent Apple Computer INC. when that's no longer Apple's name. Sketchy?"
No, just letterhead. They announce a change one day, it takes a while for all of Legal to catch up to the change (especially one that happened within a week). I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple Legal letterhead for "Apple Computer, Inc" for the rest of the fiscal year. - xxdesmus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I am not kidding, someone send me this file and I will post a big shiny DOWNLOAD ME link on the front of my website.
my name at the google email service
This ***** really is getting out of hand. - Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Copying?? Ummmm, yea, you must have never used a UMPC device. The program launcher is almost exact to iPhone's interface. Of course disregarding that Microsoft product, we could just easily look at this as Apple saying they invented application shortcut icons housed in a square....you know, sort of like how Apple says they created the mouse ten years after it had been invented. Riiiiiight.
- jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11If you want the skin, get it while you still can. Originally here (until the C&D): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1097832&postcount=70
Now you can get it:
Here for Windows Mobile 5.0 - http://www.divshare.com/download/47173-4b7
Here for PalmOS - http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=235591
Note: This skin relies on cLaunch (download here: http://www.pdagold.com/software/detail.asp?s=300 ). Here are instructions on using cLaunch: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289872 - joevill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm glad I'm on a PC
- Desslok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Sounds like Apple is the new Microsoft.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"Yes how dare you defend the product you spent millons of dollars to develop, ***** bastards!"
It not the bloggers' fault they spent millions of dollars reinventing the cell phone, only to find out what they invented was easily copied on a windows mobile phone that can be purchased for less than half the price. - infocyde, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@Teleos
Spoken like a true Mac fan...if you question you may not be worthy of the target audience, I love it. After knowing numerous people who used to work at Apple call centers, 2 years of supporting Macs in a corporate environment, and hearing tales from several "Mac Geniuses" that work in Apple stores, I can tell you that Apple products do not have a stellar record of being "great". There is no good guys here. Mac has the marketing down...but they fleece their flock at every moment they can...and the flock cries out to Lord Jobs..."More." Gates and Windows are horrible too, but at least their operating system supports multiple hardware vendors so you get competition to drive the price of hardware at least down. Linux has potential, but in my humble opinion most distributions aren't ready for prime time/consumer types to use yet. $600 dollars for a phone? Amazing...and the flock cries out "more!." Maybe Jobs can become the highest paid CEO 2x over after the release of the iPhone. - Rice, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Damnit Apple! What the hell are you doing?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7yeh Apple is a joke to me right now. everyday i hear another story of stolen ideas or things like this. iJobs really thinks that the apple phone thing is the only device in the world with features like touch screen, contacts, emails, browser?
is there something special about that interface? is it one of the "200 patents" iJobs mentioned?
apple has done nothing right since macworld; nothing. i'll be laughing come june when very limited number of people get the apple phone. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You cannot 'lose' copyright just because you don't enforce it anally. Copyright applies for its natural duration regardless.
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Wow, if I hadn't seen the news regarding this I would have never found out about it. Found the skin just fine and downloaded it. Thanks Apple!
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10It's not hype, Apple didn't crack down on any website showing a photo of the iPhone with their pretty little icons.
Even if the use of the icons for your own mod is infringing, a picture of those icons would not be. It falls under fair use, one way or the other. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6For those with one eye (numbers are many here) who love Apple and hate Sony:
If Sony were ANYTHING like Apple, all these millions of PSP hack sites would have been sued years ago. Just stop for a moment and think about where your love is placed. I am not suggesting to love Sony rather than Apple by the way as there are more choices than that, just indicating how retarded the average Apple-loving / Sony-hating Digger is.
To put my post in context, I buy both Apple and Sony products so I am not biased one bit. - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@geminitojanus -
RTFA, Apple is harassing BLOGGERS for posting PHOTOS of the infringing software. That's not an infringing use, that's fair use. If they were posting the infringing software itself, it would be another matter. Learn what fair use is and what the issue is before you try to make a point. You might find out that your argument is totally irrelevant. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@noahhoward
"You have to defend you copyrights or you give up your rights to them."
No you don't. Copyright is implicit - it is applied to any work regardless of whether it is marked with (c) or not.
"if you don't defend your trademark then you lose it. Cisco had failed to defend the trademark before Apple made the name popular."
You have to defend a trademark because you have to apply for it in the first place. In this case, Cisco were actively using it and in negotiations with Apple to allows its use. These were not complete when Apple decided to use the term publically.
"If you can't understand how it works you're an idiot. "
WIth all due respect, you don't seem to understand the point of IP law.
"FYI Republishing a stolen image is NOT fair use."
Your use of the work 'stolen' is proof that you don't understand IP law. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You sound like you are in danger of running out of arse lube over there.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6***** you apple. Get the windoze philez from here: http://rapidshare.com/files/11769226/wm5_iphone_skin.zip.html
- Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5To the best of my knowledge, Microsoft has never sued anyone (or sent cease-and-desist letters) reporting on news.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well i didn't see it so i am glad this has come to the front page in another form.
Please stop screaming dupe every time you see one. Not only is it a waste of your time to write, but a waste of the rest of our time to read. - Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6How is an application shortcut housed in a square an "Apple owned design?"
So if I set my desktop to black and put rounded corners on my shortcuts, I am infringing on Apple's creative interface?? - itsonlyme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm not an Apple Fan boi, but I am a regular reader of the forum that produced the WM5 to iphone interface howto. The author posted a zip file with ripped icons, and instruction on how to make a windows mobile phone look like a iphone. There isn't anything wrong with the instructions, but distributing the art has to be some sort of copyright violation. In fact, the author even wrote that he expected to hear from apple about the original post.
- Surreal, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10That sucks.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"If they had the Windows market share for the last 20 years, everyone would know exactly what a miserable prick that Steve Jobs is. "
he's only a miserable prick because he doesnt have the windows marketshare. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"a picture of those icons would not be"
Seeing as an icon is a picture, and that icon is copyrighted, the copyright applies. It IS Fair Use to use these pictures on your blog (for example, discussing the iPhone). It's NOT Fair Use to put them in your UI. The grey issue here is Apple trying to stop the distribution of the mod-software for Windows phones by attacking bloggers who disseminate the information. I won't argue either way for it (because I see and understand both sides of the issue), but I would feel like ***** if I spend my hard work making icons for a product, just to have someone else come along, copy my icons, and use them in their product. - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yes. naughty boy
- davidepaula, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Apple Inc is officially evil! Who's next to join the dark side? Google???
- mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4you make the assumption apple wasn't an ass to begin with.
you hate microsoft for being a monopoly, well explain to me how apple is different, apart from being less successful - uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5winnch, are you a lawyer or a judge? How do you know who's right and who's wrong? Fanboy, go suck off steve jobs.
- christopherRB, on 10/12/2007, -14/+18I definitely don't want to buy an apple product again.... their a bunch of ***** losers
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Thank you. Successfully mirrored :)
- bmeckel, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15anyone else think that it's weird that the company says the represent Apple Computer INC. when that's no longer Apple's name. Sketchy?
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