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- ozydingo, on 10/10/2007, -6/+125Volume icons and non-detailed mention of "a lot of new functionality"? I mean, I don't want to complain, but did anyone else find reading this kind of pointless? (Not a mac hater, in fact love my mac pro, but reading this just seemed something of a let-down)
- nextsteposx, on 10/10/2007, -24/+68Same here, I did a double take when I first saw it.
Better than most windows laptops... Sad but true.
Now if Apple would only expand there laptops with a mid tier between consumer and Pro.
We need a Prosumer Macbook and Macpro - dgblackout, on 10/10/2007, -4/+42i thought the prosumer macbook was the black macbook or the base model macbook pro.
- cazbot, on 10/10/2007, -15/+51"MACs aren't nearly as upgradeable."
Oh my gosh. Just because Apple is the only retailer out there to offer a line of modular computers doesn't mean they don't also offer an entire line of desktop and laptops that are just as upgradable as any PC ever (see the Mac Pro). They have offered computers like the Mac Pro for a long time now. I've been upgrading my old sawtooth tower since 1998 for cripes sake, and today it is essentially equivalent to a top of the line G5 when that processor was discontinued. Really, I'm getting tired of that old "macs aren't as upgradable" canard. Why are people so confused by this? - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+35Dead aspx page.
http://duggmirror.com/apple/Apple_Bootcamp_gets_better - HUKI365, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29All of these features (except the tabs on the Bootcamp control Panel) have been in since Bootcamp 1.3.
- jongarber, on 10/10/2007, -7/+34No, Macs are not run by Linux. Mac OS X's core is built on Unix, as is Linux. If I am correct, Mac OS X and Linux are both branches of Unix.
- championchap, on 10/10/2007, -2/+28Oh my ***** it worked!
I'd given up on duggmirror recently. - DaveClarkOne, on 10/10/2007, -2/+26You are correct. The biggest difference between them is price. The specs don't leave much room for another computer between them, so I'm not sure why the question is being asked.
- manitoba98xp, on 10/10/2007, -5/+28Is it really that annoying? Once you get used to it, I've heard that the multi-touch right-clicking technique is often faster.
- Ramble, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22Macs don't run on Linux....
- xornor, on 10/10/2007, -7/+25because most people are used to crappy disposable dells and are too blinded by cost to care about quality.
- allan17, on 10/10/2007, -12/+30Maybe because Mac's can't use all the programs that Windows can?
- loper, on 10/10/2007, -8/+24The author doesn't understand how apple can include all the drivers on 1 CD? Is he an idiot? He doesn't realize that 1 company makes all the computers that boot camp will run on? If windows was installed on only 3-4 different models of computer made only by MS I would hope they could somehow figure it out as well...
/sarcasm - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19why would you get a pc laptop when you don't lose the benefits of running windows as well, especially with boot camp coming out of beta for leopard's release. Especially since the macbooks don't really have a large premium over other core 2 duo notebooks.
microsoft publicly supports boot camp anyway, they still get to sell copies of windows to people, and instead of selling it for the OEM price to apple, they sell it to the people at the retail price. They (sort of) benefit from it, although I'm sure a lot of people don't ever bother running windows again when they switch to using macs. - Xenogis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Stop bitching about it. That is how apple is and it isn't going to change soon. After a day of tapping with two fingers to right click and one to left click you don't think about it.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Good luck carrying that around :P
- adz999, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15I think this large crowd you speak of are called novices, every man and his dog can "build" a computer, but when you work in IT and do these sorts of things day in day out, there comes a time when you want things to just work, im not saying Macs are the answer for everyone but myself i find that after a long day fixing windows based computers i love to be able to do everything i need on an OS that doesn't crash or have crazy errors and page faults etc
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Note that the parent is talking about laptops. All laptops have very limited upgradability, so Macs are no different from PCs in this regard. Also, if you get a Mac Pro, everything is upgradable except the motherboard. Since you're pretty much getting a new computer when you swap the mobo anyways, it's not that big of a difference either. Regardless, I will agree that Apple is not targeting the hobbyist market, so they are probably not your best option if something like a motherboard upgrade is important to you.
- berfmurret, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15now if apple would only reimplement that dropped 'quickboot' feature i WILL only buy macs from here on out.
- P373Y, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13two fingers=rightclick
- rabbitracer, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15can this argument please die, the whole no upgrade argument is so ***** over and bs, show me one laptop where you can upgrade almost anything beyond the ram and maybe, maybe the hard drive, so in laptops...mac and pc the same for upgradeability, now lets look at an all-in-one pc, upgrades? i still haven't even really seen anything on the market similar to the imac in way of an all in one pc with integrated screen and what not, especially not one with full upgradeability, ok now lets move to towers, on a pc i can upgrade virtually everything, though it's a bit of work if i say need a new motherboard and/or processor, but essentially yeah i can upgrade those in the same box that i origionally had, so equivelent? mac pro i can upgrade.....just about the same as i could with any other pc, videocard check, harddrives check, ram check, various peripherals sure, hell if i really wanted to i could probably upgrade the processor/motherboard if i checked the internet for a bit. so all in all there is virtually no difference in the upgradability of a mac to a comparable PC.
- willis77, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11their
- crazybrit, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11You can plug in any USB mouse, you fool.
- sych0, on 10/10/2007, -15/+24That whole "article" sucked. There was nothing interesting. "HAY GUYZ!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOTCAMPZ R FUN!!!!!"
- sirgolf82, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11'their laptops'
//grammar police - Bulldogge16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9OK, really... I just got my first entry into the Mac world with a MacBook. Nothing too extravagant but I am really liking it, but come-on. The volume and eject graphics are "Beautiful"? This is supposed to be a reason why something is better than it's competition? Here is to hoping that I enjoy the benefits of my Mac and I will carry on to purchase something in the Mac world a little more "hardcore" that is capable of a lot more, but I really hope that I do not ever end up like one of these ridiculous fanboys on either side of the fence. And I continue to enjoy the features of both. Yes, I really do like Vista! It is a good OS and is continuing to get better. My Desktop kills the performance on any Mac (well at least one that wont cost you $10,000)
Please could we keep to posting articles that have some substance. Where in Microsoft does this blogger work? The bloody stockroom? This was some ***** waste of time! - Xenogis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Hehe. Not for me. What computer you have?
- blacklint, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8No, sometimes there just plain isn't. In my case, it's the proprietary C compiler for the robot controller used in the FIRST competition. However, I can run it in Parallels, and all is good. Other programs I use that simply don't have alternatives include firmware updaters... and do you know a good way to test in IE without Windows?
- PoohBear88, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13Apple is big because they set a trend.
I'm not saying that they aren't good machines; they definitely are. But carrying around a macbook pro is starting to be a new starbucks cup. - douggmc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10For ***** sake, quit saying this people! Linux is not Unix based! It was originally built from the ground up (the kernel) by Linus Torvalds. Mac OS X is originally based off BSD Unix
- shawnz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Yeah, there's an idea. In fact, every operating system should just be released as a small runtime.
....i'll wait until you spot the flaw in that logic. - Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8@arayaush:
Opera masked as IE is still Opera. You need IE to test things in IE. - Xenogis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8For me it is the same speed.
- greerso, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I'm pretty sure Linux Is Not (a branch of) UniX, but was built from the ground up. OSX was derived from BSD, a flavor of Unix.
- vagarach, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Me neither, on this macbook pro the only thing that happens is that you see the onscreen display flicker for a bit and then disappear.
- etandrib, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11I also think what is funny is how Apple is just making Windows more like OSX… basically it would save us a lot of trouble if MS just released windows as a small runtime (similar to Classic) and we could just virtually use all of our Windows programs and games on any platform we want… oh, I guess that is what Parallels and VM Ware do. I think Windows is slowly dying. This is just the beginning of an overly slow and painful death.
- xornor, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9In my university's computer engineering program we actually built computers, (designed and wired 8 bit cpus, designed and built i2c controllers etc). "making computers" as you put it, is no more complicated than programming a vcr these days (probably easier). it can be interesting a few times for someone who has never done it, and you can get better quality parts, but it does get old quick, and when you get older it seems like a big waste of time (much like trying to get some crazy new video card/mobo working in linux). running mac osx, with vmware fusion and practically any guest os i want is the only way to go imho.
- Noobist, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9i own a MacPro, it's not all that upgradable, what about replacing the cpu? and there are just a few graphics cards to choose from...
- KayinAngel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8hold on... so his reasoning for thinking that Apple has become the best PC OEM is because of icons that appear when you hit volume and eject ?
don't get me wrong, i love macs as much as anyone should, but that's a pretty weak argument.
also, for those perhaps unfamilliar, it would be nice (or at least expected for a 600+ dugg article) should go into a bit more detail then just "new is the Bootcamp control panel... Which gives you a lot of new functionality.". That just seems lazy.
i think this hints that no one really actually reads the articles linked from digg, but just digg based on the headline and short comment.
naturally "Microsoft employee blogs: 'I think all my future PCees will be Macs.'" is enough to warrant clicks, it's a shame it's really not worth it.
fail for being lame - meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Walled garden? How is it a 'walled garden' when it has a unix terminal?
Yet again, you fail at trolling. - WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8No, the missing model would have a 15" screen and integrated graphics...
- Xenogis, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9I use frontrow all the time and I assure you it is just as good for watching media as "Media Center" is. The only place it is lacking is TV recording (which it cant do) But that doesn't really matter since most of the time you wont have a TV card in your mac
- ninjakoala, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8I'm quite happy with my Mac Mini + EyeTV solution. It acts as a PVR, media center and it serves files to my other computers. I'd say that's a pretty good alternative to a Windows Media Center. It cost me a lot less to buy those two things than it would have to buy a ready to go solution with Win MCE around here.
Oh, and my tuner? Doesn't work with Windows. - Konstantino, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"Every piece of hardware component available is designed to run on a Windows machine (OS X cannot even come close to making the same boasts)."
Yes, the original Apple keyboard was actually made to run on Windows originally, too. Way to point out a bunch of Windows features that are easily matched. By the way, most peripherals work on OS X fine, regardless of the fact that they're "designed" for Windows. - MeltedUFO, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5OS X is based off of Nextstep (I believe) which is based on BSD which was originally based on Unix V6. Linux is a seperate creation.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8I would have built my MacBook Pro myself if I could have, but I couldn't so I bought one.
There's a huge crowd out there that doesn't build computers.... and they also want the dang thing to work... thus, Mac. - guyinthechair, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No they haven't. The keyboard backlighting in my MBP is new.
- jsebrech, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Except that windows would only really be missed for its API's, not for all the "features" it provides. If the windows API didn't have such a large set of apps developed for it, it would be a niche OS.
- aeiou, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Why would he get in trouble? He's still using windows, just on a Mac. Microsoft has to love bootcamp, as it just gives them more hardware that they can run on.
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