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- ncaauwe, on 10/13/2007, -2/+96Wait...so it's not going to just stop working the day Leopard comes out, right? The article states that we'll just lose support. Hell, I didn't even know Boot Camp WAS supported. You know, since it's in beta...
- accidental, on 10/13/2007, -20/+86Is there a need for it when Leopard has it built in? Who isn't going to upgrade to Leopard??
- GCarden, on 10/26/2007, -16/+59*GASP!* Shockingly enough, some people still run the OS that came with their system!
- schmeeky, on 10/10/2007, -5/+47So why would they be using boot camp?
- MrPhultz, on 10/10/2007, -5/+41So, what's the point? No one paid for the software to begin with. And, it's not like everyone's boot camp is going to just stop working on the day Leopard is released.
- morphie, on 10/10/2007, -10/+38What's the big surprise? The conditions were simple. The bootcamp beta is licensed for use on a trial basis for a limited time. You knew that from the very beginning! Now that the trial's over, it's time to buy the product just like the rest of us.
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -13/+38"Who isn't going to upgrade to Leopard??"
Anyone who's using it in a production environment, where downtime simply cannot happen because of lost revenue -- be it because some of the remaining bugs are more severe then Apple thought, or because crucial software isn't quite compatible and needds to be rewritten.
They may go there eventually, when it has proven itself to be stable, but it will need a couple of months at least to do so. - Murmillo, on 10/10/2007, -6/+31Oh man, i can't read this crap anymore. Digg has become such an Apple-hating troll cave.
We all knew that Boot Camp was just a Beta and that it will be sold with Leopard. Nothing new here. The Expiration-Date was all ready in there at a time when Leopard's release date was set to June. It seems like every peace of anti-Apple B.S. on the web is making Digg's front page these days.
But hey: who is running the ads on Digg?
And now, bury me. - vault, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25I would still like a Leopard release date!
"end of October" - NSResponder, on 10/10/2007, -6/+25That OS didn't come with Boot Camp, and Apple never promised that Boot Camp would be available for Tiger indefinitely.
-jcr - morphie, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Using the product for free is nothing? If I were apple, I would say to you: go to hell, we'll never release beta software for free ever again.
- paulgibson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16This should come as no surprise to anyone using it (me included) as it was always made clear from the start. I use this in a production environment too, so I always realised that I would be eventually needing to upgrade to Leopard, and quite honestly, if there are folk out there that didn't make this connection, then that's unfortunate but It was made very clear.
I just cant figure out why stories like this are spinning around!! So what, a beta expired and u have to purchase something, that's they way companies make money. - superbad, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306 ...
"The license to use Boot Camp Beta expires when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard is available to the public. To continue using Boot Camp at that time, upgrade to Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard." - xXMetalJesusXx, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18Then don't take part in Beta's...problem solved.
This isn't news people, it was released a LONG time ago by Apple. - DMXell, on 10/10/2007, -6/+19Have you been researching leopard? Integrated VNC, better home networking, Time Machine, a new UI (to some degree, mainly in the side panel), enhanced versions of all the current products in OS X (can't wait to see what Automator has new in it), etc. There are over 150 additions to OS X Leopard that simply haven't been made in press releases by Apple since, let's face it, no one wants to hear Steve Jobs mention every single update (including the small ones). He's a good speaker but that's just too much.
- quakenul, on 10/10/2007, -18/+30a) The Boot Camp Assistant Version 1.4 will stop working. That means, you won't be able to create a new partition with it and you won't be able to burn a driver cd.
b) The partition you created until then WON'T stop working.
But fear not. As far as the "create partition" part is concerned you won't need the fancy boot camp assistant. Just go with:
diskutil resizeVolume disk0s2 55G "MS-DOS FAT32" "Windows Partition"
and during winxp install reformat the drive to NTFS.
That said, Apple is seriously ***** up to remove a feature, which they actually advertised with, and got people (as me) to switch to a mac, which i would never have done without boot camp. But I guess that's part of the apple mentality: pay or die. - sprash, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15There is no need to have Boot Camp running in order to be able to run Windows/Linux and MacOS as a multiboot system:
The "Disk Utitlity.app" provides every necessary functionality to accomplish the task. It is just a bit more complicated. - onestep, on 10/24/2007, -0/+11Bootcamp will CONTINUE to work, the fact is the LICENSE expires. What this essentially means is that if you don't upgrade, you are breaking the license agreement. Your Windows will still work, but you will have a moral and legal obligation to upgrade to Leopard. If you are using Bootcamp, and you read all agreements, Apple made it perfectly clear this would beta would be ending. To think otherwise is naive.
- Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14I hate to tell you sunshine but Bootcamp is as much a beta as leopard is... why are you so willing to use one and not the other?
Apple used bootcamp to entice people over from the windows platform, they always stated it would be a beta and that you shouldn't use it if you expected the software to work 24/7
Bootcamp is a beta environment
Leopard is a beta environment
NEITHER of which should be used in a production environment.
Dont get me wrong, I realise why Apple is doing this and its to make more money. There is not a fantastic reason to suddenly upgrade to leopard (more so than vista admittedly) so apple has to give you one.
Apple has used bootcamp as a carrot and leopard as the stick. The reason Apple released it early is because I think ... people had just about got Windows running on their intel mac without it anyway (its not rocket science for christ sake) I think Bootcamp has been final for a while now and apple just didnt want to make it so ... so they could force people onto leopard.
Anyone thats n - netdroid9, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17...Err, no, he hasn't. Case in point: Microsoft. They continued to allow production of games for the Xbox after the release of the 360 (although admittedly most of these were backports; they're promising to release a software update for the 1st generation Zune that gives it the software features of the new Zunes; they release converter packs for old office versions to allow them to open documents made in new editions of the software; Windows 98 was updated until a couple of years ago and Windows 2000 still gets security updates; and Windows Vista x86 can still run applications from the Win16 era.
Most companies, especially Microsoft (see WGA, DRM, etc), are money-grubbing douche-bags; but at least they've got the balls to stand by their products, even if they're outdated by today's standards. - nixfu, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18Um...it has NOTHING TO DO with Leopard coming out.
The bootcamp beta has had this expiration date for a LONG LONG time now....and will expire if Leopard comes out early or late at the same time it already is going to.
- nomore, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14As an Cocoa developer who's been using Leopard for a while now... I have two words which destroy your argument: Core Animation
If you don't understand the far reaching implications of this, then do some research.
Other very good features I like:
Spaces
Time Machine
New Cocoa Finder
Automator's "watch me do" feature
Webclip
Quicklook
iChat Theatre - KyleGoetz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11That's retarded. It's like saying: Why do you use Digg when you still visit Slashdot?
Answer: Because they're not mutually exclusive. xXMetalJesusXx didn't "switch." He uses /both/.
I use XP on my MacBook Pro for games, but use OSX for everything else. I switched because OSX is superior. And, after a month of using OSX, I understand that OSX /is/ superior. - r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I think the point being made that the people who are sticking with Tiger in a production, aren't going to be running the Boot Camp BETA for the exact reason they won't instantly upgrade to Leopard.
- MateyO, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14What kind of production environment doesn't account for maintenance? Your critical production services aren't fault-tolerant?
- Aggaman, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Dugg up for sheer craziness.
- MateyO, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14Having run the beta releases for awhile $129 for automatic backup is a pretty compelling feature. I'll take cheap upgrades that add value to existing hardware over Vista. And I've spent a LOT of time on Vista.
- lonnieh, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12... SO YOU GET NOTHING! YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!
- godzillaWax, on 10/10/2007, -14/+21Fairly good history of backwards compatibility? You're talking about Apple, right? The company that ditches support for products on flights of whimsy? The company that will make older software obsolete unless you agree to upgrade? Apple has a loooong history of abandoning support for products if they think they can wring more money from you.
- tuartboy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8It would be nice if Apple gave me every update for free, but they have no obligation to you or their shareholders to do so.
- skidooer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8What do you mean? Tiger updates are free. We've had ten of them thus far.
- tizz66, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9This isn't negative press. This is about beta software expiring, which is what usually happens. Anyone with a brain realises that this is just an attempt to whip up a storm in a teacup.
- jayhawk, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10about 99% of schools are not going to upgrade until the school year is over.
- yabos, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9QuickLook is a compelling feature especially for files like word or power point because they are not native yet and take a while to load even on a fast Intel based machine. Having QuickLook you can just hit the space bar and the preview comes right up much faster than launching and waiting for word or powerpoint.
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9<obvious plug>
Goooo rEFIt! ;)
</obvious plug> - DMXell, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12At least our OS doesn't cost $400 to get the best version. Actually, most Apple users aren't bashing Microsoft for that. They're bashing Microsoft because support for Windows XP ends in the first month of 2008, way too early considering how long support for Windows '98 lasted.
- fjc8, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Boot Camp has been in beta. Anyone who cares about having stable software in a production environment should probably just get two computers.
- griz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9A lot of people will not update to Leopard. Frankly, Tiger is an incredibly stable and well tested environment.
- Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Isn't Boot Camp just one of many ways to install Windows XP/Vista natively on an Intel Mac? I always thought it was merely a partitioner packed with a driver CD. The EFI update (that allows BIOS emulation) is really what allows Windows to be installed, and is independent of OS X.
Is installing Leopard going to somehow wipe out any Windows partitions and prevent the EFI from allowing it to install? Otherwise, I don't think this is an issue. - MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12Adjust for the month of release for each model that has at least an 867Mhz G4 and FireWire (and to be fair, most of these models will also need to be upgraded to at least 1 gb of ram for decent performance)
Every eMac since 2003
Every iMac since 2003
Every PowerMac since 2001
Every iBook since 2003
Every PowerBook since 2001
Each of these models, some over 6 years old, will run Leopard. Meanwhile many PCs with Windows bought as late as last year are incapable of running Vista. Obviously the home-built models are not what I'm talking about here. And certainly most of those models that were incapable of running Vista can be upgraded as well, but most people who buy PCs never open it to upgrade. They just went and bought a new computer when they felt they needed Vista.
Read into it what you will. I'm not trying to slam Microsoft or Vista, I'm just rebutting the argument that Apple makes people upgrade continously for new OS releases. - piwy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8RTFA. Overly sensationalist title. They just won't support it anymore. (aka the license expires)
- RetlawST, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I've done a couple of beta tests and none of them gave me the software for free after it was over.
- velocitychannel, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9How come no one cried like this when Microsoft's Office 2007 Beta expired and you were forced to go out and buy it? Or the Windows Vista betas for that matter?
Why is it that people have become such a bunch of crybabies who expect everything for free? Shut up, move out of mommy's basement, get jobs and pay for Leopard if you want to continue the ability to create new partitions with Boot Camp. Christ! - xXMetalJesusXx, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11"But I guess that's part of the apple mentality: pay or die."
They never blind-sided you...this was all posted on their website a while back, if you failed to research it before buying a computer, it's on no one but you. - judgeFire, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Quick Look is the best Mac OS feature ever. Space Bar, Boom! :)
- goblindegook, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Tippis: if it's used for "testing and development" then it's not a production environment, is it?
- 21chrisp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6What's there to get so pissed off about? It's beta software and it will still WORK, you just won't get support from Apple. This is really better than the industry norm - which is to provide no support for beta software to begin with.
- yabos, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The only thing that will happen is you won't be able to start Bootcamp Assistant any more although you can probably set your clock back to last year and it might work anyways. What that means is you can't change anything about your partitions using it. So if you have everything set up the way you like it then it's fine but if not then you will be screwed unless you get Leopard or the setting the date back works.
Apple has said from the beginning that only Leopard will have the final version of BootCamp so no one should be surprised about this. - mjcoury, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6It's a beta, its suppose to expire, in the words of The Governator, "Stop Whinning"
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