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- DiggLive, on 12/21/2007, -9/+81Hi, I'm Apple Authentic Experience. And I'm Windows Genuine Advantage.
AAE: (insert mindless reason why Apple's DRM is cool and trendy here)
WGA: Well, with PCs you get the Advantage! ZING! - mike3k, on 12/21/2007, -11/+75f*** them. If they actually do that, I will switch 100% to Linux.
- inactive, on 12/21/2007, -9/+61This is a wake up call for all the Apple Fanboys.
You see, as an OS becomes more popular (in use at least) the developer will eventually look for ways to stop piracy of their OS. Of course when Microsoft does it then it evil. When Apple does it then it is called "innovative" as long as they give all the Fanboys a special ID card or Hologram Apple sticker.
I'm surprised that corporations actually want people to pay for software. What right do they have?!?! /sarcasm - happyseamonster, on 12/21/2007, -3/+48Looks like they want to keep OS X off of non Apple hardware. It mentions "platform" several times. They also have some pretty expensive software suites like Logic and Final Cut Pro that they would like to protect. Doesn't Logic already require a USB key? I could see Apple wanting to get rid of the USB key and keep the protection invisible.
- chris9902, on 12/21/2007, -9/+46Hardware DRM. enjoy your iBricks.
- kayamm, on 12/21/2007, -2/+30nobody can stop piracy
- somegeologist, on 12/21/2007, -4/+30Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.
- ryodoan, on 12/21/2007, -1/+27f*** them. If they actually do that, I will do jack crap and talk a bunch of *****.
- geminitojanus, on 12/21/2007, -4/+25They've already done this (iPhone, iPod touch). This is just a patent application on the process they used.
- streetstealth, on 12/21/2007, -2/+23Ironically, the latest version of Logic actually did away with the USB key already. It was pretty crazy (and a way smart move on Apple's part considering how this is going to boost sales) but they slashed the price by half while taking out the DRM.
Apple's trend away from DRM (and making things reasonably priced) has been great... it would be a shame to see them turn that around. - pyrates, on 12/21/2007, -0/+16Read this:
"Anti-piracy measures only inconvenience honest users. The pirates already know how to get around it." -Leo Laporte - Mejogid, on 12/21/2007, -0/+15DVD region encoding isn't specific to the operating system - typically, it's encoded in the dvd drive that reads them although I belive linux has ways of getting round this.
- bjornski, on 12/21/2007, -1/+16This word, Communist, I do not thin it means what you think it means......
- furbyslayer, on 12/21/2007, -1/+14OMG!1!!! a Hologram Apple Sticker... What about a special ID card with an Apple hologram sticker!!!!1!!!!1!!! That would soooo teh kewl
- gcnaddict, on 12/21/2007, -17/+29f*** them. If they actually do that, I will switch 100% to Windows.
- JonnyTrombone, on 12/21/2007, -11/+23Apple wasn't a DRM free operating system before this. It isn't a huge step in any direction for them to be creating new DRM/WGA like services for their OS.
I remember the first time I put a DVD in my mac, it said I should pick a region- and that I could only change it 3 times. Apple has never been open, and it isn't getting any -less- open. - zenerdiode, on 12/21/2007, -5/+17f*** them. If they actually do that, I will switch 100% to AmigaOS.
- stoanhart, on 12/21/2007, -0/+12A "real" (read: licensed) DVD player relies on the DVD drive to decode the CSS encryption on the movie. The hardware in the DVD drive will only do this if the regions in the DVD player and the disc match.
Linux uses a software library to decrypt CSS, since DVDJon found a way to break all CSS (very small amount of C code). Thus, since the DVD drive's hardware is not involved at any point in the decryption, there is no such concepts as regions in Linux. - z0mbie2099, on 12/21/2007, -5/+16"Think differently. Just like MS."
Fanboys will of course make excuses. And vote down all the comments as usual. - linespin, on 12/21/2007, -1/+12at first i thought these two patents will be combined when at use: if piracy is detected, the device will shut down and lock itself = bricked
- bjornski, on 12/21/2007, -3/+13Now?
- oneoverzero, on 12/21/2007, -0/+9You can get the Darwin (apple's kernel) source code easy.
The open source portions are just that, open source. - MacParrot, on 12/21/2007, -0/+9While I despise patent trolls, if you eliminated patents altogether, small developers would have zero protection against larger companies from just stealing their ideas without compensation. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
- MacParrot, on 12/21/2007, -0/+9You must forgive over90000, he has a reading comprehension problem
- Me1000, on 12/21/2007, -2/+10you're right $130 for an OS is outrageous!
especially compared to $400 for Vista! - geminitojanus, on 12/21/2007, -2/+10Or it just means they're shifting software strategies; Apple has always tightly bundled their software to their hardware, making the environment a trusted one simply makes it that much harder to break trust.
Their desktop software may end up unaffected altogether; there's no signs of extra DRM being added anywhere to Leopard (which you would have expected them to have done if this were the case), however, the iPhone and iPod Touch are going to be Apple's best selling items for years to come, so why not focus efforts there instead? Especially as competitors are going to love to get their hands on the software, and making it run on 3rd party hardware would pretty much destroy Apple's business (after all, anyone in China can build nearly identical hardware, sometimes even on the same factory floors as the real hardware).
The question comes down to which side of the line they're going to step; are they going to prevent users from running software, or are they going to permit users to run software when it's legitimacy may be questionable? Nobody's answered this question satisfactorily, and no other company has proven they can get it right.
Does that mean Apple can? Maybe, maybe not. But it's certainly interesting.
The path of Trusted Computing is a very nasty one to go down, and it's really hard to come up from that rabbit hole once you've taken the first few steps. - bjornski, on 12/21/2007, -2/+10I like your concept. I think I'll sell it as my own.
- redxxx, on 12/21/2007, -1/+9Bitching about the government and big business has always been an open source endeavor.
- FredFredrickson, on 12/21/2007, -1/+9You forgot: "Don't WGA me, bro!"
- copperdomebodha, on 12/21/2007, -2/+9If you read the article it looks more like a move to stop the PC version of OS X from being run on non-Apple hardware.
"A digital rights management system permits an application owner to cause code to be injected into the application's run-time instruction stream so as to restrict execution of that application to specific hardware platforms" - streetstealth, on 12/21/2007, -5/+11Ok... I *think* what this DRM part is about is some sort of countermeasure to the way you can currently just copy most stuff out of the Applications folder onto another Mac.
Thing is, as it currently works it makes upgrading to a new Mac nice and easy without having to go through a bunch of discs, DMGs and installers. If Apple messes with that... bad idea. - kronix2, on 12/21/2007, -1/+7Zero DRM? The ***** OS can't be installed on non-Apple hardware BECAUSE OF DRM.
- jstone, on 12/21/2007, -10/+16So you'd jump out of the frying pan and into the fire?
- MacParrot, on 12/21/2007, -2/+8I guess it's possible to a fascist AND communist. I mean, Hitler and Stalin got along so well
- MacParrot, on 12/21/2007, -1/+7The only disks like that are those that come specifically for one type of machine. If you have a commercial copy of OSX, you can install it on any machine capable of running it.
- WinGeek, on 10/15/2008, -2/+8Or better yet ,what about all the DRM ***** in iTunes? What do you think the music file protection is called?
- redxxx, on 12/21/2007, -0/+6Bit Torrent doesn't pirate software, people do.
- zach382, on 12/21/2007, -0/+6You can't stop the signal.
- furbyslayer, on 12/21/2007, -2/+8I for one welcome our new Apple DRM Overlords! Oh, wait... wrong website...
In soviet Russia... Hang on.
CowboyN...
Aww nevermind, Happy Holidays and all, and I don't think this will be the end of the world...
PCs are Great, Macs are Great, Linux is Great, Windows is Great, Mac OS is Great, AmigaOS is Great... and so on... - thunderer, on 12/21/2007, -0/+5Bad comparison, don't most of the console manufacturers just barely break even on their hardware? I've even heard numbers saying that Sony is taking a $300+ hit on each one sold, whereas Apple usually shoots for over 40% profit margin. It probably wouldn't matter to Microsoft's or Sony's bottom lines if you could play an Xbox game on PS3, or vice versa, as long as you actually buy the games.
- sfgeek, on 12/21/2007, -4/+9Huh? Look if Apple does this I will never ever pay for their OS again. This is f*ing BS.
As for "Apologists" they simply pointed out that DVD region coding is built into the drive. - MacParrot, on 12/21/2007, -1/+6Apple sells computers. That's where they make most of their money. They protect themselves by requiring you to buy their computers if you want to run their software. Sony sells Playstations, Microsoft sells XBoxes, Nintendo sells Wiis (I think, I've actually never seen one in stores). They all require you to buy their hardware to use their software.
Would I like to install painlessly OS X on a generic PC? Sure I would. It would be much less expensive. Apple tried to do this in the 90s and almost went out of business. The only way Apple could try it again would be if their marketshare increased to the point that designing and selling hardware wasn't cost effective. Use Windows if you want to. I use it everyday at work and have zero problems with it, but I prefer the Mac. So I buy Macs. - antitab, on 12/22/2007, -0/+5Where the ***** do they get WGA out of "restrict execution of that application to specific hardware platforms"? Hardware platform is the system architecture, not an individual machine. This is just an extension of TPM. There's no indication in the patent filing that they're trying to create some sort of activation scheme for applications used by individual OS X installations. This is to combat osx86. Everyone take a Xanax.
- xtc46, on 12/21/2007, -0/+5that is because they are recovery CDs which include the drivers and such. The equivalent of the disks PC makers sent out with their machines. It is an industry practice. You could buy OSX just like you can buy Windows Vista and install it on the compatible hardware of your choice.
- TheZorch, on 12/21/2007, -2/+7WGA and Windows Content Protection on Windows Vista has hurt consumers more than any other bad software product ever made. Apple would be stupid to get themselves involved in any of this ***** themselves.
- WolfHook, on 12/21/2007, -7/+12As one user has already posted, the word "platform" has been mentioned a lot in that statement and considering they plan to release an SDK for the iPhone in the near future it makes sense since that is their current baby. I am 50/50 on them trying to implement this on their software as we have just seen a huge OS update in Leopard so adding that type of Microsoft "guilty till proven innocent" ***** doesn't make sense. Being a Mac user for six months or so now I really like being treated like a proper human being and I have actually BOUGHT software since. I bought Leopard for £85 when it came and out I have just recently bought two licences for Transmit and Coda from Panic software. I also bought a MacBook recently because I just like Apple hardware and software so I can use it without some metaphorical ***** sat on my shoulder checking that I am not doing anything illegal.
For the guy slating Apple fanboys/girls, "a wake up call" comment. Just because you feel like a criminal by using Microsoft ***** don't try to inflict your misery on us when at this stage this is just a patent filed with no actual evidence that they intend to add some sort of invasive bollocks to treat us like petty thieves. - bjornski, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4Considering the first words I heard when Leopard game out is "I've got the torrent downloading now!", yeah.
I predicted an apple version of WGA from the second I saw that comment.
If you refuse to pay for your OS, use Linux. - inactive, on 12/21/2007, -7/+11Think differently. Just like MS.
- neodorian, on 12/21/2007, -1/+5I've been using the same borrowed copy for at least 3 years and it always passes WGA.
- FredFredrickson, on 12/21/2007, -3/+7Nobody feels like a criminal for using Windows... we just don't like DRM / WGA. Your OS won't let you take screenshots when you've got your DVD Player app open, so maybe you should stop acting like you're ***** high and mighty just because you're dumb enough to shell out $3k for a Mac.
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