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- djphatjive, on 10/11/2007, -14/+79Man people were bitching about a $600 dollar Playstation, but when a cellphone comes out for $600 everyones crazy about it.
- deadbaby, on 10/11/2007, -11/+54Doesn't make much of a difference to me. I live in a rural area so I wouldn't get 3G speeds even if my iPhone supported it. The ~200k I get from EDGE is fine for web browsing.
- HarryBauzonia, on 10/11/2007, -12/+44$600 and you don't expect it to be fast? You are a marketing weasel's wet dream.
- robdazomba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29Unless your "friend" is the CEO of Cingular, I kinda doubt he knows jack ***** about the future of any Apple products.
- plokij909, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28Why is it that America is so behind on mobile technology?
- sonicdevo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22Well for one, America's population centers are way more geographically sparse than are Europe's. This makes deploying the same equipment in Europe much easier.
- bariswheel, on 10/11/2007, -9/+28"I love my iPhone. It is a little slow sometimes. I do not expect it to be fast."
And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have the epitome of what we call, A Mac Fanboy. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24I would love 3G on my iPhone, but hey I think it's great as is. I'm a little annoyed with the lack file transfer via bluetooth, non threaded e-mail and few other things, but it's the best phone I've had in a while.
- evensong, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24Even if they added 3G support it would be UMTS 3G, the slowest speed still considered 3G. The frequency used in the US for 3G is also incompatible with the rest of the world. Cingular's largest 3G coverage revolves around UMTS. HSDPA, which is the faster version of 3G has even less coverage than UMTS.
Edge on the other hand is pretty much rolled out throughout the United States. For 3G roll out to reach this saturation point, it would take nearly two more years. By that time, you will be out of your contract ready to buy another phone. There is not point having a power-hungry 3G chip enabled if everyone cannot use it. - mccarron, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18Not to mention the chip drains far more power than the current EDGE chipsets.
- andyduncan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Did he really say "Doggone"? Really? Is Steve Jobs now Ned Flanders? What happened to the old Steve Jobs? Does the new Steve Jobs ask interviewees "Have you lost your vir-ginity-inity?" ?
- node3, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18What's the alternative? To be an idiot and expect EDGE to be fast?
I'm with _skin_. I *know* EDGE isn't going to be fast. It's good enough, for now. But even with the slow speed of EDGE (and the fast speed of WiFi), the iPhone is well worth $600. - noreturn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Also, it's not in the cell providers' best interests to educate the public. If they can keep selling you the old service for the same price, their profits stay high. As such, they make the terms confusing and keep all but the most geeky in the dark. Seriously, try browsing the Cingular site for information; it's night impossible. It's not because they can't hire people to make it good; it's because it's in their best interest if their customers are morons and purchase services and extras without full understanding.
- Rupan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Actually, UMTS is one of the fastest 3G networks. With a HSPDA phone it supports 14Mbit/s connection speeds. And with current capping its still 3.2Mbit/s. Even T-Mobile on its great network has just won a bid for 1 of the 2 new frequencies auctioned off by the FCC for UMTS use. From the Wikipedia article on 3G networks, it seems UTMS and EVDO are the two best mass market networks atm. To due more research and inform yourself, check out the wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G - ahuxley, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Thats why the rest of the world waits until 2008.
Then Apple can do a low power 3g rev b and offer real sim options.
The USA was really the 3rd world telco beta test lab. - dvsbastard, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9My phone supports both GSM/3G and my carrier allows me to use either network... Setting the phone to GSM Only increases battery life by around 20%....
- dilchill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8iCare...
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I honestly feel the only obvious omission is iChat. It's a very solid phone, better even than the commercials make it out to be, and sure it's got rough corners but what launch product doesn't? If you bought it and expected it to be perfect, I've got a bridge to sell you. The only thing that matters to me is that it's better than the phone I'm leaving, a venerable old Treo (and the UI is remarkably similar, even if it is dressed in more candy on the iPhone).
- anamanaman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Except you'll be missing phone calls while you browse. They go straight to voicemail.
- philomatic, on 02/08/2009, -3/+10But the iPhone does it better. Have you used it? I have a RAZR and the iPhone is a million times easier and simpler to use.
I'm tired of hearing the speed dial crap too. You pick a person from a list with the tap of your finger; that's a step forward compared to having to remember what number you assigned to a person and holding it down. Speed dial is a crutch used by phones that have cumbersome interfaces. - Rupan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Ok, just so everyone is clear. The EDGE Network is a 3G network. Its just really slow. Thats why most people call it 2.75G or 2.5G. I just want to make sure you guys know its a "joke" and jab at EDGE, not really what it is classified as.
- foofightrs777, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Greed is good?
- BossX, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9It's funny how everyone is happy with their 2G iPhone --- except if they try a 3G iPhone (if it comes out) they will be pissed when they see the difference.
- pyry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I think the funniest part, is that they launch a new product, and a little more than 6 months later (if rumors are true) they have the assurance that there are a ***** ton of people who will ALSO buy the next generation of it. Even if they drop the price, that's still ~600 bucks that Apple gets twice. And then, there are the people who were skeptical of first generations and will go for those. Look at what they did with the iPod anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod#Models
Just impressive, that's all. - Gee1004, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Why the hell do you comment then if you don't care?
- svartgotik, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Well my Motorola v551 has something simpler. I tap a button and then SAY A NAME and it dials the number for me...no having to remember any ***** numbers, no having to scroll though screens that will get buggy over time. AND i can FEEL THE KEYS! HOLY BLUE *****!
- evelian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Yeah, the FCC dropped the ball on not standardizing a network like Europe, Japan, etc did. Each company had to invest in their own network, and if you add in the size of America, it's ridiculous to think we wasted all that consumer money building multiple networks.
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Sure, but you can turn off WiFi and it's still a phone. Can't say that about a 3G baseband.
- Rupan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Your so right. People where going on about "OMG a $600 piece of hardware that browses the net plays beautiful games and Blu-Ray movies, and is a Multimedia Player. Not to mention it can be converted to a Linux machine with 60GB HD" But with the iPhone its revolutionizing how we talk on a phone by doing everything other phones have done, but just well this time. And as someone mentioned earlier, there are much much better phones in the Asian markets then the iPhone.
- punkrockxtian, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9With data plans in Canada costing an arm and a leg I doubt I will ever care whether or not its 3G. ALL I WANT IS A DAMN IPHONE!
- robdazomba, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Yeah, that comment was funny the first 50 times you posted it. Do you have a hobby?
[edit: Me1000 beat me to it.] - Bamborzled, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4WRONG! Both Telus and Bell have had EVDO since 2005.
- dave2112, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I miss EVDO on my Blackberry. Other than that I have no regrets about the switch to iPhone. BTW, I have virtually no trouble with the keyboard.
- wayback09, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Supporting different technologies, spectrum limits, and so on. Analog, TDMA, CDMA, GSM, iDEN, etc... (Yes, I didn't include all of them since 1981). Building out large networks to cover the whole country, as opposed to Europe having many smaller countries makes this easy for them to do per country. And of course, it takes A LOT OF MONEY to build a huge national network per company.
- Draphilius, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6My area lacks 3G and won't be getting it til next year I think. Still, it's a bummer it lacks 3G since when down the road it becomes available, I'd have to switch to a newer version of the iPhone that does support it.
- Firehed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Try one sometime.
Or, hell, try a rotary phone. They didn't have speed dial (or recents, or favorites, or an effectively limitless contact list, or Google, or yellowpages.com), but people got along fine with them for decades.
I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume you're a Windows user. I'm not going to try to convince you of anything since I don't honestly give half a ***** what phone or OS you're using, but I can tell you that there's a LOT more to electronics than their feature set. Like a user interface. Your free RAZR might have all the features of my iPhone, but I can actually find and use mine, and do anything that you can do quickly at ten times the speed thanks to a full keyboard.
The reason I hated my old phone wasn't due to the crappy hardware (well, maybe 10%). It was due to software that's usefulness is immeasurably low. - svartgotik, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I have two ideas for a new iPod:
1. Make it bigger than 80 gigs.
2. Make getting my music off of it as easy as putting it on. - anamanaman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Hmmmphhh.. a reasonable and articulate post. DUGG DOWN!
- Andytom, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4In the eyes of the average Digger it's this simple
Apple = Good
Sony = Bad
/Sony is evil though - anonym41414, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The other day I was out and about in a place that didn't have wireless access. (An above-ground subway station in DC.) I was with a friend who was bitching about how the iPhone's only EGDE.
We took out our phones and did a basic speed test. For doing things like sending and receiving e-mail, there was no observable difference. Except I composed my e-mail a hell of a lot faster since the iPhone has a full keyboard.
For random browsing, his phone was faster on heavy pages. No difference on lightweight pages.
For accessing Google Maps, my phone was a lot faster, since it's got the maps client built in and you don't have to go to a Web page.
For YouTube it was kind of a wash. I found and played the video I was looking for faster, and it was higher quality because YouTube delivered the H.264-encoded version to me. But he was able to play videos I couldn't, because YouTube hasn't converted their whole archive to iPhone format yet. I'm not sure what YouTube's plans are there.
It's not really as glaring a difference as you might think. Depending on what you're doing, you can't tell the difference. - kelly, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Please leave your anti-God propaganda out of my web browser.
- tirofiban, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Sure Verizon EVDO is faster, but I don't care. My Windows phone (2003 2nd Edition) would spontaneously reboot in the middle of phone calls. Even with Opera, it was hard to view web sites.
As someone who was once ecstatic over connecting to another computer via a 300 baud modem, EDGE is fast enough. I just want a simple, full-featured, reliable phone that I can occasionally check my email and browse news stories with on the net. - FaytlND, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7I can't imagine the battery life hit would be THAT drastic. And even so, you would think that if they were worried about battery life, they would allow a removable battery. This way, people who decided that 3G was too much of a drain could just keep a spare battery with them.
Also, the argument that "I don't have 3G near me, so who cares" is a poor one. You may not, but many people do, and since 3G is backwards compatible, it would make sense to allow the iPhone to work with the newest/fastest technology. This way, those that have access to 3G can use it, and those that can't still have EDGE. In that scenario, no one loses. Furthermore, while some markets may not have 3G, many people travel. If I found myself on a business trip to a market that had 3G, it would be nice to have the ability to take advantage of it. - StealthPersona, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Come on. So you are saying that just because YOU don't live in a WCDMA coverage area yet, that Apple made the right decision here to screw the rest of us who may? Do you know that they make single phones (e.g., Cingular 8250) that do 3G and 2.5G in one package? Then everyone is happy. Now everyone with a 1G iPhone is on a path to rapid obsolescence. Don't get me wrong, I love the iPhone, but I'm waiting for the 3G iPhone (oh yeah, with GPS).
- nailer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2A 3G iPhone will released in 4th Quarter 2008 at latest - this is when Apple have stated the iPhone will be available in Australia, where most 2G networks are already being shut down.
http://www.venturecake.com/how-the-iphone-will-rock-the-mobile-industry/ - SPECOPS, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Very cool. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
- p51d007, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2As much as I don't care for the man, you have to admit, he is a pretty good salesman. Make a device that is just barely good enough....then in 6 months, make a newer device that has some of the missing features. Keeps the churn going.
- michaeltime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Seriously. What a buffoon.
- diggimator, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Actually there was a wee bit more to the article than that, but you'd actually have to RTFA for that.
- Me1000, on 10/11/2007, -6/+8it wasn't funny the first time, what make you think it would be funny the 200th time?
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