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- franklymister, on 03/27/2008, -0/+30I was a die-hard Apple ][+ owner, and wouldn't go near a //c for anything. Built-in disk drive (good luck if that failed), no expansion slots, and no way to open up the case and mess around inside, like you could with the older Apples.
Yeah, I guess it was a lot like the Macbook Air of 1984. - inactive, on 03/27/2008, -1/+18This brings back memories. I used to play the original Castle Wolfenstein and Ultima III until my eyes would bleed.
(And yes, the original Castle Wolfenstein was released in 1981: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Wolfenstein ) - turboskratch, on 03/27/2008, -0/+13You haven't played Oregon Trail unless it's on this, or the IIe.
- franklymister, on 03/27/2008, -0/+11The //c had 80 column built in.
- JewelsNorth, on 04/18/2008, -1/+9My parents bought us kids one of these as a teenager. We loved it! I thought there was a chicklety button on the top that switched between 40/80 columns. We played Castle Wolfenstein as well. Although our house was never as popular as the number of kids playing games at my friends with Commodore 64s.
- hollyminkowski, on 03/27/2008, -1/+9I think this used an 8bit cpu called the 6502.
If you look at the opcodes for that processor it looks like a really simple and elegant assembly language to work with.
It must have been a lot of fun :-)
But it ran so slowly! 1 or 2mhz...lol. Now a 75cent AVR runs at 20mhz.
But they did amazing things with such limited power.... must have been
masters at optimizing assembly code.
http://6502.org/tutorials/6502opcodes.html - FoxOrian, on 03/27/2008, -1/+8It's not really that. Your comment is just rather baseless. Instead of just saying something for the purpose of potentially pissing off a few fans, it'd be nice if you told actually us about your experience with the //c, that is what this thread is essentially about. With a comment as simple as that, we could easily assume you're just a troll.
- bromac, on 03/27/2008, -0/+7Dugg. About the only thing I learned in Grade 2 was how to shoot green buffalo and ford rivers.
- antdude, on 03/27/2008, -1/+8I had so many games on it. Wings of Fury, Bruce Lee, Conan, Karateka, Lode Runner and its Championship (finished it and got a certificate), Montezuma's Revenge, Oregon's Trail, etc.
Cool programs: LOGO, Dazzle Draw, Appleworks, Print Shop, etc. - inactive, on 03/27/2008, -1/+7You're just posting porn for all the former Apple IIe owners...shame on you.
But, I still dugg it. - sumguy231, on 03/28/2008, -0/+5Oregon Trailer? Is that the sequel to Oregon Trail where you've made it to Oregon, but you spent all your money on the trip and have to live on government assistance?
- SanTe, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4You have died of dysentery.
http://www.80stees.com/products/Dysentery-Oregon-T ... - antdude, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5Weren't //c like tanks? The only hardware issue I had was K key didn't respond (wore out).
- JerzyBricklayr, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5Only an Apple story could make the front page of digg while linking to a story that is broken into 14 PAGES !!!!!!! Any other story would be flamed , buried , called blog spam. or many combinations of the three.
- wernst, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6No ForNext loops in AppleSoft Basic, junior. What you really mean is:
10 X = X + 1
20 PRINT X
30 IF X > 100 GOTO 50
40 GOTO 10
50 END - gr00vy, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6My first computer. But I had to switch to the c64, cuz of the gaming...
- franklymister, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4I think you got dug down for the use of the word "again."
You never owned a Mac. You had an Apple II. - franklymister, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4Note the modem that is underneath the phone. That's why they put a phone in the picture.
And yes, I had a phone by my Apple ][. We didn't have two lines, though, so I was only allowed to dial up anything on the modem after 9pm. Actually, I hardly even got to do that, since the nearest BBS was 90 miles away in Des Moines, Iowa, and it was a long-distance call to dial in. - inactive, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4Ugh, you Apple gaylords are still typing ][ and //. The entire Apple line was rendered obsolete by the end of the '70s by the Ataris, which had fine scrolling, hardware sprites and co-processors for graphics and sound, and even S-video output. Not to mention lower-case letters, which took years to arrive on the Apples. Sound capabilities never did arrive, at least not without a third-party card.
The Apple fan base acted much the same then as it does now, burying its head in the sand and refusing to hold Apple to standards that might actually result in better products. - boonesfarm, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3Rescue Raiders, Dr.J vs Larry Bird, The Bard's Tale, Wizardry....... god I'm old.
- mralucas, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3well the for next loops worked for me i remember it because that was the first program i ever created on a apple IIc in Jr high school " yr 87 room 56 memories" i made other programs using it one was a password verifier which worked and did not work (the flaw hitting alt shift del equivalent allowed you to circumvent it and get in to computer) LOL
- AppleMacStud, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4Wow, what a wonder to behold.
- Tenoq, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4Lode Runner was teh awesome. So addictive. I went and downloaded Dosbox a few months ago just to play Lode Runner again.
I still suck at it, 15+ years later. - Ratteler, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3And now your being dugg down for whining like a little bitch.
Man... your having a bad day. - lpmiller, on 03/27/2008, -2/+5I wanted one of these badly when I was a lad, even though I would have missed not having an 80 column card.
- Sophistifunk, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3Ah, memories. I was all about Lode Runner, Conan, Montezuma's, and Swashbuckler (I loved that). My mum was a ninja with creepy corridoors, and I always wanted to find some software capable of copying Karateka ;-)
*kisses bittorrent*
I'm glad Apple picked up their game with OS X and then the switch to Intel, so I could come home :) - Kratos76, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3do you know of the word rotary? probably not. (not you frankly, that was for danub)
- antdude, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4Oregon Trailer FTW!!
- shadowspawn, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4I peeked and poked learning assembly using a ][e and it still works. We weren't rich enough to buy a //c, but I at least was able to hit a bbs called "The Pirate Bay" with a ][e and helped what the scene was back then.
Locksmith was the only app to counter MS's flight simulator, and by god the same thing cropped up again and again. I still have some games from them, wonder what a screenshot of the original Pirate Bay is worth. In those days I could whistle my name in the coupler. Now, GET OFF OF MY LAWN! - antdude, on 03/27/2008, -2/+5Play it now: http://virtualapple.org/oregontraildisk.html
- iMike360, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3Woz is the legend
- inactive, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Innovative? No lower-case letters for the first few years. No sprites. No fine scrolling. No redefinable character set. No mixed graphics modes. No sound.
All available elsewhere by 1980 and widespread soon after that. Ataris, Commodores, even the TI 99/4A had sprites. - inactive, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2If you want to see impressive efficiency, look at Star Raiders on the Atari 8-bits. This game had a POV dogfight mode against TIE fighters, and a strategic map, and a docking routine to refuel. Polyphonic sound effects. Starfields flying toward you. A hyperspace maneuvering challenge. In 8K.
- BrotherMonk, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2The //c was my second computer after the glorious TRS-80 (Tandy in the HOUSE!). I actually worked at a fast food restaurant for almost a year to make the payments on this bad bay (even 16 year olds could get Apple Credit back in the day). I still have it out in the garage, carefully packed with the original 9" green monochrome monitor with stand and all the original documentation... it's hard to let go of.
I was more of a Bard's Tale fan... but Wolfenstein was the Halo of its time... - mswope, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2When Apple first released the IIc, it did indeed have the 6502. However, they *intended* to have a lower wattage processor in the design (the newer 65C02). When they got enough in quantity, they sent out little kits to the Apple vendors and had them change them and a couple of ROM chips *for free* to upgrade the computers. I was an Apple tech back then, so I did about 15 upgrades. I got to keep the 6502s (may still have a few :-).
I remember that the written instructions for opening the case warned that you might break some of the plastic tabs, but that was "okay" (unavoidable).
Shortly after that, the Mac was born (with it's flammable power supply board). We still loved the II family - IIe especially... - Kratos76, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2INT RND
!!! I still think of that in my head when I think of total randomness - lordmike, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2You can't possibly try to compare the gaming experience between the commodore and apple II are you? Yes, Apple had a lot of cool games, and a lot of originals, but the C64's graphics and sound blew away anything that Apple had to offer. I like the old apples. They were very... elemental and extremely flexible machines, but in the world of 80's gaming, nothing can compare to the C64...
- RogerStrong, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2The Commodor PET has it beat by 300 years - there's one in Kirk's apartment in Star Trek III.
- sephers83, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Yeah, keyboarding. You know, it's like typing, but it's not on a typewriter It's on a computer with a keyboard. You can guffaw at it all you want, but it's a real class, and that's what it's really called.
- RogerStrong, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2And with it's external monitor, external monitor stand, exteral power supply and only external file storage, the //c wasn't exactly portable.
It combined all the expandability of a laptop with the portability of a desktop. - orb_nsc, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2I remember that ad in the magazines back in the day. I would daydream about how awesome it would be to have a nice IIc like that in my room (I had an orphaned TI 99 4/A on an old black and white TV instead) but would never be able to afford it. At least it was just a few more years before I got an Amiga 500 and the dream was fulfilled.
- matriculated, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Ultima III with a mockingboard card - man, that blew my mind!
- BossKey, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2If you were a kid with an Apple, you were a kid in a family that could afford a phone line. We didn't have a home computer, but my brothers and sisters still ran extension cords out to our rooms (since phones were the social network of the day even though they were still wired).
- mercano, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3In picture seven, right above the speaker, I think you can see "(c) MICROSOFT" written on the motherboard. Is the chip above it the ROM that, among other things, had the Microsoft-provided BASIC environment on it? It would make sense, it would be right next to the CPU, a good place for system ROM.
- BossKey, on 03/28/2008, -1/+2And which company lasted for another quarter century, and found its way to a lucrative renaissance?
- sumguy231, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1True. Is it sad that I know this because I just did it the other day?
- RogerStrong, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Agreed. The Apple //c was the end of the era of openness at Apple.
The old Apple ][+ manual had a schematic of the motherboard that openned like a road map. And for me, after four semesters of high school electronics and two of programming, that's exactly what it was. I built my own 128K card from scratch. I had every other slot full too - modem, speech synthesizer card, eprom programmer, serial card, parallel card, etc. Later I bought an Apple ][e.
Out comes the //c - with a lousy keyboard, a lousy monitor (an attempt to maintain the illusion that the //c was portable) and NO expansion slots. It was locked down. It had non-standard ports to make it hard or impossible to re-use even your external devices.
They combined the expandability of a laptop with the portability of a desktop.
I thought, perhaps this is just a way to prod Apple ][ users into buying a Mac. Alas, they were giving Mac users the finger in the same way. They wouldn't even standardize the connectors between models. (Mac upgrade procedure: Disconnect the power cord. Replace the rest.) I switched to PCs and never looked back.
The Apple //c and the Mac were introduced in 1984. It's ironic that Apple created the famous "1984" commercial at a time when it was trying to BE Big Brother. No openness, do as you're told, and use the computer only in ways we approve. PCs became the "Computers For Tthe Rest Of Us". - antdude, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Heh. I remember making level for LR too.
- antdude, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Oops! -er. ;)
- pentupentropy, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1The title alone makes me nostalgic. My first two computers were a IIc and a IIe, dual external floppies with a whopping 5.25" 512KB disk. Learning how to make little color charts in basic, my first 300 BAUD modem. It was awesome. I feel geeky. Thanks Apple Computers, for making me go in the direction of Linux. Debian kicks arse =)
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