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- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -15/+82"Not worth the $500-$600 IMHO maybe half that."
I don't have a problem with people thinking the iPhone is too expensive for them. Not everyone is the target market, after all. What I find funny is how they authoritatively tell us what its worth, without giving any context.
$250 buys you an 8G iPod Nano with a smaller screen, no touchscreen, no wi-fi, no video. How did this guy come to conclusion the iPhone is worth the same price? Unless of course he thinks iPods are terribly overpriced as well, in which case he's not the target market anyways :p - Roger, on 10/11/2007, -28/+70The iPod was considered ridiculously expensive when it first came out. And we all know how that turned out for Apple.
Plus the iPhone seems to blow most PDA's out of the water, so its not just a phone. - noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -16/+55@jpetrin
"It's a closed device (no 3rd party software)"
That is yet to be seen, there are rubmlings that tehre will, in fact, be an SDK released for the iPhone.
"and no keyboard."
Only if you're a retard. There is a perfectly good keyboard with buttons that are finally big enough to be pressed. So you can't actually feel your buttons? You poor baby, things change, if there was never any change in the way we interact with things then the cars we drive would be steerred using reins. Why don't you try giving their way a chance before making moronic statements. This is worse than the whole mouse button crap people spew. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+48anyone remember when the 40 gig iPod Photo cost $500? because it did when it came out, and all it brought to the table was picture storage/viewing... and i seem to recall my mind being blown at the time. we've come a long way.
- AaronD12, on 10/11/2007, -2/+39The Motorola RAZR was $500 when it came out, too. Now you can get them for $99 or less.
- Moremoe, on 10/11/2007, -36/+67•"Not worth the $500-$600 IMHO maybe half that."
LOL - felchdonkey, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31So buy a cheap phone.
Jesus. - lieutenantmudd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24I was a lease administrator for a cell phone company. Every company-owned retail store had a repeater.
Repeaters would usually go into the following places,
1. Retail stores
2. Public buildings (stadiums, malls)
3. Into any office building where a company threw all their cell phone business our way. - knelto, on 10/11/2007, -7/+29Yet again, people bring up the PDA/Smartphone argument. Different target audiences people. Apple isn't targeting Mr. Corporate Douchebag who wants to check his quarterly earnings spreadsheet on a tiny screen. It's for people who what an iPod, a phone, and email/internet access in one device.
Also, who's to say you can't access Google Apps through Safari on it? - Roger, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24Jesus is right. Buy any old cheap phone.
- Roger, on 10/11/2007, -10/+23@jpetrin
How many PDA's have keyboards? Most don't.
And who actually uses Office apps on a PDA? For one thing, most are almost unusable. There's no reason why Apple couldn't app their own iPhone office suite at one point. Maybe thats the mystery app?
As far as being open, well I guess thats the only issue. I did read a story a while ago that Apple was considering that.
The iPhone already has a web browser thats years beyond anything any other PDA has. - zdlatham, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15I'm betting on an ability to stream video content from your itunes library and other sources. Why have a wide screen ipod with not enough memory to store more than 1 or 2 videos?
Also I would expect mapping with turn by turn navigation. - lordtyros, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12You apparently don't know ***** about what apple TV can do either.
- AaronD12, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11The Apple Store in Northpark Mall (Dallas, Texas) has NO cell phone reception inside the store and only 2 bars outside the store. They will definitely need a repeater.
- JohnnyXmas, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13"Hotmail support? WTF? How does that work without M$ not participating?"
Who said they weren't participating? Why the hell would they NOT participate? Office for Mac is one of the biggest selling Mac applications. They have never shied away from working with Apple when it made sense. They don't hate each other, they're just competitive. it's the users that hate each other.
Anyway, they've made it VERY easy for cell phone PDA vendors to provide Windows Live support. You'll be seeing it a lot, very soon. - InsomniaSlim, on 10/11/2007, -22/+31Ok, why are people who are touting PDAs getting dugg down?
I own a PPC 6700... I'm not a "corporate douchebag," but I like how my PDA's contacts get automatically synced with my company's Exchange Server, (and thus my Outlook contacts). I get updates on meetings and emails pushed to my phone whenever someone sends them, often saving me from 8AM meetings that were cancelled at the last minute. I also use it to check my GMail, and movie times, and it has a sliding keyboard that makes texting fast.
Ok, the iPhone is a really cool phone, but it IS media-based, and I can get a phone that is media-based AND let's me stay (casually) in touch with the office when I need to be for the same price. And I'm sorry, but I AM in the target audience for this phone... and I think the price tag is a little steep for the functionality I'll be losing by switching, therefore I probably won't.
Stop digging down people with a valid point about functionality being absent simply because you think the phone is too cool to be criticized. @noahhoward, jeptrin has a point, and you sound like a fan-boy child. - lordsteve, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10lol - dude, it was a joke
- superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7You are pretty silly if you are sending mail that you think needs to be encrypted, over a secure connection, that then tavels over the very, very insecure SMTP network to the destination.
Rule of thumb - don't send anything in email that you wouldn't feel OK with being read out loud to your mom.
Or else, encrypt the payload and send that. EMail is not secure, so pretending you need a secure line to read it is fantasy. - bigtizzle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9@ streak
So you only plan on watching video and listening to music on your iPhone at home? - The_Ox, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11Cell phone repeaters in Apple Stores.. cool ! Never would-a thunk it.
- rwallen, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12"The phone has a super top secret feature that I can't even be told what is (anyone have a clue?)."
iChat? - webmasterjoe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8From the article: "the AT&T stores will have very low numbers of iPhones to sell, "perhaps fewer than 40 units." I know Jobs had said to A. Huffington that he recommends people going to AT&T stores, where the lines are going to be shorter..."
Yeah, the lines are going to be shorter... at most 40 people total waiting in line. - Jomwilli, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10Only thing I'm worried about when buying the thing is the Scratch factor. Anyone know whether it'll end up like my Nano(1st Gen)???
Hotmail support? WTF? How does that work without M$ not participating? - cybermort, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7well the fixed the issue with Nano 2G so one can only hope that 500 dollard device that's meant for your pocket won't scratch up with coins and keys...
personally though i love scratches on my gadget it gives them personality and makes the look though.. but i don't know if i would feel the same with such a price tag. - 1jaxstate1, on 10/11/2007, -9/+14It was only after several years and lower costing models did the iPod catch on. When the iPhone was priced high, it was only for a certain crowd.
- swindmill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Right now, my favorite phones are made by SE. The higher end SE phones approach this price and aren't half the piece of hardware the iPhone is. "Not worth it" is such a subjective statement that it really has no meaning at all. When it's available, basic economic principles will tell us if it is worth the price tag or not.
- Radan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Well, personally I really, really hope that this "Top Secret" feature will be the other way around of what streak said. I would love to be able to play my music that I have on my iPhone through my speakers which are connected to my Airport Express, or stream movies wirelessly *to* my AppleTV. They could even make it automatically sync my contacts, calendars e.t.c with my computer as soon as I enter my house, and maybe even transfer my calls and incoming SMS:es to iChat. If they did that, it would be unbelievably cool.
- webmasterjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Hotmail support probably either a sort of configuration template to use Hotmail's POP access (which is a premium feature, I believe), or it's a way to redirect the mail application to use Safari and the hotmail web interface. It doesn't require any participation from MS.
- EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4No infrared, so I think that is out of the question.
- EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I believe a GPS receiver would have had to be included in the iPhone's FCC filings, so it's unlikely. Tower triangulation (used for e911 services on GPS networks) is not accurate enough to provide turn by turn directions. It is possible (and probably likely) that the iPhone will be able to utilize a bluetooth GPS receiver, however.
- Lor080, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6it has a lock button, id suggest cleaning it locked haha. besides even if you got lost somewhere the bottom button brings you right back to the menu.
- hurtstobesoemo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Lame subhead, but a good story.
- jeffgtr, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Funny the part about it needing to update often. I would imagine so seeing that it hasn't even been released yet the software is probably being tweaked before release, this is to be expected. I'm not running out and buying an iphone, still this article says nothing new and smells of FUD.
- knelto, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I like what zdlatham thought... possibility of GPS kind of service in conjunction with Google Maps. It's wishful thinking, but that in addition to all the other cool features would make this definitely worth it.
- DreKor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I don't see what the big deal about compatibility is. POP3 and IMAP are standards that almost every SmartPhone and PDA support. Apple was just nice enough to include the settings for popular services.
- slapthemonkey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Good phone.
- coolmike129, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I think if the Iphone had a GPS built in with google maps, it would be an amazing device. If I bought one (I cant because I cant afford it with a college student budget) I could imagine mounting it on my dashboard never getting lost. But they would ultimately need a power adapter...the battery life would screw it over.
Cheers - Soulhuntre, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Um... no. Your N95 is only worth about 390$ or so the website says. Clue me in on how that works out?
- EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2There are tons of Bluetooth GPS receivers on the market, starting at about $60.
- Swift2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3About keyboards. I don't know if the iPhone keyboard will really work, of course, but it seems a perfectly acceptable idea, that tries to establish an answer for the sucky quality of all -- repeat, all -- PDA and especially smartphone keyboards. You want a phone keypad? You want to type with a phone keypad with multiple presses for most letters? Please make an appointment with your psychiatrist.
Will that make it tiny enough to not get in the way with the other keyboard I need, a large, regular typing keyboard? Because all small data handlers run into that: if you make the keyboard big enough to be used at typing speeds or better, it takes up all the space you want for the screen. You know, what happens when you get an e-mail and you need to actually type something longer than LOL. Or when you want to suddenly write a paragraph of ideas for your next novel.
So, it could be the keypad is great, or it sucks, or that it's both a loser for people who don't like it and a winner for those that do. I hope it's great. Apple's record on this is not that bad. - Quix, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"It is possible (and probably likely) that the iPhone will be able to utilize a bluetooth GPS receiver, however."
Hmm, I never considered that possibility. The lack of GPS functionality is my primary disappointment with the iPhone. That one additional feature would make the iPhone the ultimate must-have gadget (I've wanted a portable car navigation system for years, but balked at the $500-1,000 price tag). I had hoped someone would come out with a dock attachment for the iPhone that did GPS, but Bluetooth would work too. Are there actually Bluetooth GPS receivers in the marketplace already?
Of course all this depends on iPhone support of third-party apps... - EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I don't think you're going to be streaming much video to your iPhone over EDGE, and it's not exactly a groundbreaking feature. I've been streaming audio and video from both my home computer (via Orb) and my DVR (via Sling) over 3G to my phone for some time.
- DreKor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1We always complete our network build-out in new areas before opening our retail stores. Even then, we pick and choose our locations to get the best service possible.
- EtherGnat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"if you make the keyboard big enough to be used at typing speeds or better, it takes up all the space you want for the screen. "
Familiar with sliders? I'm personally fond of the dual-slider motion of the SGH-F520: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/samsung-sgh+f520-cellphone-slides-up-and-down-side-to-side-rubiks-and-iphone-clone-235788.php
You can have a full screen touchscreen and still have a full keyboard, it just adds a little thickness. - mentor972, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They changed the app slip-up in their commercial...
http://digg.com/apple/Apple_quietly_corrects_iPhone_slip_up_in_their_commercial - jsmith39, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1or you could figure out what you wanted to say before hitting submit.
It's called proof reading. - coolmike129, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Not to mention I could have a movie playing or have some streaming content playing off of safari, probably isnt safe though..hehe
- willgonz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I buy expensive phones. I bought the Nokia 9290 Communicator when it first came out for $600. I'll buy the iPhone, mainly for the browsing. People complain about the possible sucky battery life of the iPhone. But you know, someone will offer an expansion for it any ways. Plus someone will offer up some external doodad to extend the battery life. The slowness of Edge is somewhat of a problem. However if someone came out with a device that would go from UMTS/HSDPA to WiFi, then you would have the higher speeds. Sure, it's another gadget to carry around,but you would also be able to use it with any WiFi device, PSP,Laptop, Wii, Xbox 360.
- Angostura, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Streaming interactive two-way audio conferencing capabilities, mediated over the cellular network?
- sixth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1you dont understand what I am referring to when I say PUSH email, I mean PUSH EMAIL WITH MICROSOFT EXCHANGE SERVER....ya know..what almost 60% of the business people use. we are moving away from blackberries to wm devices because of this....NOT freakin yahoo push email. come on.
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