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- celticcrossfire, on 11/10/2007, -4/+124NBC just secured themselves amongst the most pirated networks. Not compatible with OS X nor Linux. Unbox doesn't have the distribution of iTunes nor the consumer base. I don't think they could have picked a worse partner.
When will media companies learn: DRM is bad and can be cracked. - fuzzmeister, on 11/10/2007, -2/+96So, NBC tries to fight piracy by using a less popular service, charging more, and having more restrictive DRM? Great logic there, guys. Also, just a heads up, all of your shows are transmitted free, in HD, across the entire US, so having DRM for them online is a bit stupid.
- trekkie, on 11/10/2007, -8/+60If this continues and isn't resolved before new shows start, NBC is loosing a viewer of all three of it's major networks. NBC, SCIFI, and USA. Total of 12 shows across all three networks that I watch regularly. I'll turn off all the channels on my Satelite so I can't even accidentally watch them.
- theshizzler, on 11/10/2007, -0/+47The media companies will never learn. :(
- supermanred, on 11/10/2007, -3/+47That's awesome. The funny thing is, they wanted Apple to LOCK DOWN the iPods so they couldnt play DRM free material, now they have to kiss Apples ass to find a way to get Amazon DRM music onto people's iPods, as Apple can just as easily ban those DRM files from iPods altogether, rendering Amazon and their UBER DRM music pretty much useless unless you are a weirdo and own a pink zune.
- erkokite, on 11/10/2007, -3/+42People use iTunes and iPods. They do not use Unbox.
- LordSkywalker, on 11/10/2007, -4/+341. Install uTorrent
2. Go to eztvefnet.org
3. Setup RSS to auto-download your favorite NBC shows.
4. NBC doesn't profit! - totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -3/+28I'm kinda surprised UnBox is still around.
- AtlanticVortex, on 10/10/2007, -1/+25I cannot believe that now not only is NBC dropping iTunes support, but now they crap all over mac users. The new iPod should come out tomorrow and if it is as impressive as I think it will be, then video sales on itunes should really fly. NBC is leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth as an iPod user and mac user. Amazon sales will be nill, so why does NBC not take $2 when the only other choice is getting no money at all?
- aresef, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24Well, back to piracy I go. Thanks a bunch NBC.
- Bricks, on 11/10/2007, -4/+25oh hi you downgraded your services
- samfishercell, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21I tried UnBox and it was HORRIBLE. I tried to nab one episode of Firefly, and in the time it took me to download it, I could have left my house, worked somewhere for a couple hours, and bought the entire season on DVD.
NBC was doing a great job of catering to fans and was looking really good compared to the horribly fun (and cancel-happy) ABC and FOX. And watch - once their shows start to fail this season, it won't be because people can't catch up via iTunes, the blame finger will be pointed squarely at PIRACY. - supermanred, on 10/10/2007, -4/+23I get the neilsen rating ***** all the time, almost every year. They just lost about 50,000 viewers for EVERY show I used to scribble down for NBC/SCIFI/USA.
Suck on that, NBC. - Piedramente, on 11/10/2007, -4/+23NBC has the right to lose business
- Z_Man, on 11/10/2007, -1/+19The people at NBC are dumbasses.
- inkswamp, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Unbox.
Game over. Apple won. - darushin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20uhm not to point out the obvious, but you realize the only DRM protected music files a IPOD can play are ones that have been encoded with Apple's Fairplay DRM. To my knowledge there hasn't been a single license granted to a third party by apple.
- Shorties, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Plus it is windows exclusive, and a terrible DRM protection, been cracked so many times. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114916) I really don't understand why NBC would go from a solid DRM service that is compatible with both Mac and Windows to a service only available on Windows and easily crackable. And they claimed it wasn't money they wanted from iTunes they wanted better DRM. ***** NBC! You arent screwing over Apple your little attack doesn't do much for apple, they make plenty of money, you are screwing over your customers. I don't know how many times I have said this, this week but, A business move that screws over customers in effort to gain more power is just bad business.
- jetblackstrat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16I didn't know you could use iTunes on Linux... (Not saying your point is wrong though, I agree with what you mean)
- slider121, on 11/10/2007, -0/+13Why the hell does NBC need DRM?
They air on FREE tv. I can watch The Office and Heroes for free in HD from my local NBC Affliate!
I can understand paying for it, but DRM on free content. - osmaker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12"DRM only protects legit users"
BS. DRM only affects legit users.
Remember Sony rootkits? Remember DVD copy protection (no legal backups)? Remember Google Video ending? - airwalke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Can you say "rebound"?
- supermanred, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Lol. No kidding. I wont be buying music at Amazon. NBC fire your CEO he's a bonehead.
- casey24601, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Considering that the best show this network puts out (Battlestar Galactica) is not coming back again for another five months, who cares? I have no desire to see what NBC crap they are going to put on Unbox.
While we are on the subject, isn't it stupid that Microsoft's portable media player (Zune) does not do PlayForSure? - FXPooky, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Not only that, but NBC is a frickin' TV channel... anyone with a bit of knowledge can record shows to their computer, and as we all know, as soon as one file comes out, it immediately spreads everywhere thanks to the power of P2P (apparently the incredible logic and rationality of this is beyond them, though).
I would only pay for TV Shows if I had to pay a set fee per month and get access to every show and watch each one as much as I want, when I want, with no DRM. Until then, Pirate Bay. And I'm definitely getting rid of NBC on my actual TV. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9yes, again punishing those who actually are paying ridiculous prices,
- ArchonSG, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12They won't learn because people aren't voting with their wallets. Stop buying DRM laden crap shoveled at you.
- Chicken2nite, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10The majority of people use CABLE/SATELLITE PROVIDERS. They do not rely on iTunes.
- Rice, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11I wonder if Jobs will say anything about this tomorrow.
- johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9no, my house did it about 10 years ago and we were just sent little books to log what we watch. they just contacted my mom a month or two ago and they still were going to send her logs. only some houses get the hardware to monitor your show watching.
i got the impression the paper book houses were generally not as long term as the others. we only were recording our viewing habits for a few weeks iirc. maybe we just stopped sending them in and that's how it ended? i forget. - 4ndr3w, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10and they said it *wasn't* about pricing
- thegreathal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Ohhhhhh, you should be ready to get SO pillaged for this. Forgoing cooperation with your community for total domination of content? Get a new business model. The model you've got going right now is one viewer=one recording=downloaded everywhere without you.
- Spuy767, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8I was an eye patch, but now I'm a toadstool. . . Is that supposed to be a clever pirate reference?
- MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10They're doing it because they don't want to admit that they as a content provider were wrong, and Apple as a content distributor was right. Ego will be the downfall of the major TV networks in the digital age.
- zdiggler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I don't have problem with downloading shows yet. My hacked tivo let me put shows on the go if needed.
- 4ndr3w, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I watch shows on all those networks. I get all but one, SciFi, on cable. I used watch the shows I like on USA and NBC, and buy Eureka on iTunes. Guess what I'm going to do now? Pirate the shows from all three networks.
- inkswamp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6The price thing is a red herring. The real issue is that NBC was losing control over their distribution and blinked. They want people sitting in front of TVs where they can continue charging crazy prices for advertising. They can't translate those insane profits over to downloads. So they want to create a fight with Apple and put their shows on something nobody uses and force people back to regular broadcast TV.
- Spuy767, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7That's good. That helps, what, eleven or twelve people?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8I suppose NBC was worried that they'd be like the record companies with Apple -- losing control.
I thought they were just trying to make ridiculous demands to put the Kibosh in Apple, without saying so. This will hurt Apple for perhaps two months. Then they will get more content and originals, and NBC will be trying to push $5 videos on a service that makes things more complicated. So if they aren't trying to sabotage their own online presance - they are doing a fine impression.
I predict the shows will lose ratings -- because NBC will look like a bunch of pricks. - brundlefly76, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7He isnt - he obviously doesnt even know how it works.
It uses a settop box to record viewing habits, not the shows you 'scribble down' lol! - superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Ironically, the Zune does not support PlaysForSure - at least not for audio, would this also include the Video?
- Jadinlee, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Unbox? What the heck is that?
- dvddesign, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6No, he'll just showcase more clips of Zoolander and The Italian Job.
- Chicken2nite, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Production is handled by Universal, Fox has the distributing rights. I would figure those rights would extend beyond simply cable and into the realm of the internet.
- blocguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5So, people are expected to pay for something to watch on their DVR, instead of just recording it for free? *sigh*
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5If they were really serious about that, they'd license to multiple vendors in standard formats with no DRM.
- sincewednesday, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5More to the point, how many Tivo users are going to pay to download NBC shows, when the whole point of a Tivo is to record television shows? This is clearly a loss for NBC: the market of iTunes users is greater than the market of Unbox users, and the market of users that would pay Apple to download shows to their iPod is clearly greater than the market of users that would pay Apple to download shows to their Tivo.
- cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I respect Amazon Unbox, but they said earlier on that their hands were tied on what they offered. Here again, we see they still are. Let's be serious. Amazon Unbox videos are DVD-quality, so they're bigger, but they've got more restrictive DRM on them, so they're much more useless. I have an iPhone that if I wanted an Unbox video to play on, I'd need to "crack" the DRM on it, as a separate "process" for each download, then, convert the video to a compatible size. I can't play it on my Mac either (though I have both computers). At the end of the day, its too much hassle for $1.99. Too much! If this were Amazon MacGuire, I'd say, "You lost me at recompress." I tried using Unbox when it came out, and upon badly estimating the space needed on my hard drive, it told me it needed more, and then refused to ever re-download the film I purchased. Because I double-clicked it after seeing it wasn't downloading, I got charged twice... even though it only showed up once in my "Media locker". I'm sorry. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
- Alegoo92, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Hey could someone help me out? I buy House episodes from iTunes.. and on the dvd's it says the show's an NBC/Universal show- but on iTunes it's listed under FOX. Will House be pulled along with NBC programming?
- damonic, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Mmmmm, Bittorrent.
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