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- zomgorly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+32"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." --Albert Einstein
- zeroooooooooooo, on 10/10/2007, -4/+30I like buttons. Tactile response is underrated. I'd rather have a phone that is easy to use than looks sleek.
- pcharles23, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25if funny how the mighty mouse has a right and left button, but not really. I wish the ***** ball was not so *****. mine died stopped working. it gets normal skin oil build up... and just stops tracking. some people can try cans of air, or a pant leg... this is the second time for me .. I bought a Black 11.99 Microsoft mouse problem solved. Also... PS the mighty mouse does not come apart... well you can break it apart... but its glued... i think that is a crock of *****.
- meshman, on 10/10/2007, -7/+26What an idiot. 'I don't like buttons, therefore no one will use buttons. I have decreed it. Your lord and savior has spoken.' I always wondered what spectacular jackass was behind the mice.
- timusca, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Its no secret that Apple can't design a decent mouse. Take a look at the hockey puck for goodness sake. I don't care how much of a fanboy you are (for that matter, I'm as big a fanboy as anyone), you CAN'T defend the hockey puck. Its a piece of ***** and you know it.
- Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -8/+25The iPhone 'has' loads of buttons. It's just that they aren't physical buttons, but rather on screen touch sensitive buttons, and for that reason can be tailored to each app, that's what make the iPhone easy to use, and powerful at the same time.
- betobeto, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Dugg for "***** ball".
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13he's Amish...wait, that's zippers
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Why not use an MS mouse? After logitech they are pretty much the best for general purpose stuff, and their laser mice are mighty nice, unlike apple's poor premature abortion of a 2-button mouse.
- akatherder, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Or just don't buy Apple like the rest of us. There are far more options on other platforms that don't rely on the whims of some guy who is scared of buttons.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11elegant? LOL!!!!!
- misterkaizer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Now if we can just engineer skin not to be so oily, this device would work perfectly!
Sorry, I like buttons. I don't have to look at the screen constantly when I've got buttons. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+14Yeah - you know real buttons with tactile response cant be custom mapped... oh wait...
- timusca, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Everyone that is saying lots of buttons are great and think Jobs is a nut, you're forgetting WHY he hates them. Some buttons are okay, which is why the iPhone has a physical home button with tactile response. The problem is that all of you are technical and aren't afraid of a few buttons (theory supported by the flaming of various video game consoles - they all have tons of buttons). However, the iPhone and other Apple products that Jobs has designed are aimed at the general public, and the general public is stupid.
There are lots of people who take one look at a computer, PDA, whatever and are immediately turned off because there are so many buttons to learn. It can be daunting and intimidating to those people that like to keep it simple. These people are the ones that are still hanging onto Windows 2000 because XP looks too frustrating to them.
Keep in mind that we geeks are a small breed outside of Digg. - svenjick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7It's an interesting article, but I think it turns it the wrong way: Steve & co want it simple and therefore less buttons is better. This article implies the opposite, i.e. that Steve wants no buttons, therefore it is simple..., for which I disagree! Either way, I still don't want an iPhone.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10It also makes for a simple design.
I had to guide my mother through configuring something on windows over the phone and the amount of times she mixed up left and right click was incredible. It's times like those you realise exactly what the original macintosh was trying to achieve when it was introduced. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Huh? When I click my mouse on the "Submit Comment" button there is no switch inside my monitor being pressed!
However the 'home' button on the iPhone certainly IS a switch. - CaptSnuffy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8You are an *****.
- wildfire, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I must be tripping on Peyote buttons like Jobs probably did back in college... Haven't I seen this article before?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Sorry, but thats NOWHERE NEAR AS ELEGANT as a separate on/off button or switch.
- sicapitan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I agree with this man (whoever he is).
- MaynardJK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So you should read a manual to figure out how to use this "easier-to-use" design? That seems to be the opposite of what Jobs is going for.
I would also like an on/off button and removable battery cover. - TheSmiddy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4try using a touch screen without looking at it
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4 I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of buttons cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
- assman665, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sorry to tell Everyone, but this has already made the front page... yesterday, exact same link and everything...
Gah duplication...
http://digg.com/apple/Apple_CEO_Never_Liked_Buttons_Not_Even_on_His_Shirts has some 900 digs or so already... - BLACKEAGLE, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7***** steve i like buttions, damn button hater
- djdole, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4rhoul.... the iPod does NOT have an ON/OFF button. You even state as much yourself. ("Hold down Play for 2 seconds")
It has a PLAY button with additional (and arguably hidden) on/off functionality. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It was front-paged less than a day ago.
- 0crabby0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3If Amish, he is allowed only toggles and ties.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -10/+13this is so ***** stupid. I would pay someone the cost of my iPod ($300) to install an ON/OFF button and a REMOVABLE BATTERY COVER. It would make using the thing so ***** much easier. God I wish I had at least looked into a Zen or a Zune before I bought this POS.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You are aware that if Macs don't work with half the software out there then logically Windows also doesn't work with half the software out there.
Anyway, i've never found a Windows app without an, often better, Mac alternative - nakani, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5If you support the buttons, you're a terrorist
- NerdyNinja, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You can rub it really hard with your finger tip for a few minutes too, usually fixes it for me.
..heheheh.. - kevincannon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3He's not scared of buttons, he's just aware of the fact that some people like gadgets with lots of features and functions, and some people want something that does one or two things well and is much simpler. It's just a different approach really, neither is right or wrong.
It's just like different types of bikes. Some people want an ultralight road racing bike, and other people want a tough durable mountain bike.
Different people have different needs, and Apple target one spectrum of people. - Kelmon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Surely this is how all design is done - you see a way to make things better, make a product that incorporates the idea and then sell it to those who believe this to be a good idea as well. It's unlikely that everyone agrees with a design concept (you are proof of this at least) but it's pretty obvious that quite a lot of others agree and, frankly, I'm with Steve on this one. My pet hate for years has been the stupid number of buttons appearing on console gamepads so the Wii's reversion to only a couple makes for a nice change. Buttons = complexity and should be avoided if possible.
- winmywii, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I just bought a shuffle to work out with. It has an ON/OFF button.
- kevincannon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3footodors - it's not a cult of personality, most iPod owners don't know who Steve Jobs is.
An iPod may not be suitable for you if you have a large ogg collection, but it's flexible enough for most normal people, and they get something that works well for them. - simpleid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2lol, now I hate to be on the dugg down side of this, but despite his generalizations, he's correct. ;-)
i do see a lot of people using an unnecessary amount of 'shortcuts' with new users and it always does just confuse them more. and i have been able to do everything i've thought of without the right click button. to test this further, i tried to explain something to another person in "click here" and "then click on" and it did seem to transfer the actions from my mind to his more clearly.
i think zybch just called it as it is, though rather crudely.
meatmcguffin: the point is NOT quicker, the point is CLEARER. (we're talking about helping less computer literate people, not you.) - Swift2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Actually, any non-alcoholic cleaner -- like iKlear -- applied to a paper towel, then rubbed across the "***** ball" -- hee-hee -- will clear it up in a minute. Alcohol will do it, too, but it erodes plastic and rubber, so don't. I have used, in a pinch, Endust, and it's not dissolving yet. Really, about every couple of months, spritz, back to normal.
- johnhummel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No, it's buttons too. That's why they use ties to keep their clothes together.
- leftfield, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3yo, if you blogged like this I would read it when I'm baked.
- darkfate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Steve had something to say about this in his secret diary: http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/07/nick-wingfield-has-man-crush-on-me.html
- Swift2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Thing is, look at your TV remote. I have a Sony monstrosity that adjusts everything. There are buttons all over the place.
Now, I have an Eye TV dongle on my Mac. The remote can run the whole darn thing, even on my G5. Simple as pie. The principle is very simple.
Oh, but I'm sure that the multi-button remote that you grope for in the dark, then have to take into the kitchen so you can find the Menu button, that makes sense. Who's the freak? I say it's not Jobs.
The non-Apple mouse was enabled for one reason: a huge number of Windows people demanded it, because they mistakenly believed it was better. The result of so many years of two-button mice with scroll wheels: hey, quick, how do you sort a list of bookmarks in Explorer? Right, completely non-intuitive. You right-click on the menu and select a pop-up. The programmers never have to figure out how to make a feature available. - webmasterjoe, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Who's defending the hockey puck? That's like trying to shoot down an MS fanboy by saying Windows ME is terrible. Yeah, it's terrible, but nobody was defending it.
And Apple has designed decent mice. The hockey puck does not represent the sum total of all Apple mice. - meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Who said i'm American? For starters i'm Brirtish.
And what about right clicking to get to properties on the desktop? What about right clicking to get into the disk utilities in windows explorer? None of these have quicker ways of doing it without using the right click button
But thanks for calling my mum a tool anyway, CaptSnuffy hit the nail right on the head. - Kelmon, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Oh goody, the old games argument. What, and I realise that this might be a stretch for you to comprehend, if you think that PC games are boring as hell and you therefore have no interest in the stupid things? If I wanted a computer to play idiotic games then I'd save the money and buy a console.
I'm with meatmcguffin on this one - I've never come across a Windows application that hasn't got a Mac alternative that I'd rather use. The Windows software market might well be larger but it's also filled with a lot of crap so don't tell me that the Mac would be better with them. - Kitsune818, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Nice icon.
- kevincannon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2A synthesizer is different. It's an inherently complex device that people are willing to put time into to learn.
The thing Apple makes are mass consumer devices where people want to play music and don't want to do anything else, or worry about how to do that.
Things should be as simple as possible, but no simpler. For mp3 players, the level of simplicity is much lower than a synthesizer. - QuinValec, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2From the article- "The spirit of simplicity extends even to Apple retail stores. The elevator in Apple's popular Tokyo store, for instance, has no floor buttons. It stops on every floor of the four-story building."
That might be one of the most inconvenient things I've ever heard of. - JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2this EXACT article is already on the front of the Apple section! It isn't even a separate source!
http://digg.com/apple/Apple_CEO_Never_Liked_Buttons_Not_Even_on_His_Shirts -
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