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- trghpy, on 02/07/2008, -0/+39I for one can't wait till we catch up to Japan's cell phone network of 2006.
- timusca, on 02/07/2008, -9/+45I saw this last night when I was watching American Id... I mean, porn.
- timusca, on 02/07/2008, -2/+21Well, my biggest "I couldn't care less about 3G" argument was no 3G access where I live... if AT&T expands 3G to my area, I will surely care.
- kkiran, on 02/07/2008, -3/+18Exactly, 3G is going to consume more power and hence, lesser battery charge. I wish Google wins 700MHz spectrum war and provide free WiFi for the masses :) I am ready to pay them too!!
Just imagine selling your iPhone to buy another iPhone jus' cos' it has 3G!! GPS ?? I am in or else, nahhhh - RubberBinder, on 02/07/2008, -0/+13Eh, it was still kinda funny in the context of the story, dugg.
- ibeetle, on 02/07/2008, -0/+12The local coffee shop introduced free wifi last summer. I was a regular customer. Good coffee, supporting local business, and free wifi.
Then the owner started charging for it. He did not completely loose me as a customer but my business dropped at least 60%.
A few weeks ago the coffee shop went back to free wifi. Once when I was in there I mentioned to the server that I was glad to see free wifi return. She told me the owner had to bring it back. Business had dropped enough to start laying off employees and reducing store operating hours.
Free wifi does bring people in and people do spend money. Like TypeEE says the cost in minimal. It helps businesses, not hurts. - betterth, on 02/07/2008, -0/+10But Sprint is full of fail :(
- inactive, on 02/07/2008, -1/+11You're ready to pay for free Wi-Fi?
- SeanAmmirati, on 02/07/2008, -2/+12re: the comments -- I have to disagree, the lack of a 3G network is what's keeping a number of people (myself included) from buying an iPhone
- Coolspot420, on 02/07/2008, -2/+12I'm sure that ATT decided to roll out billions of dollars in improvements just for iPhone 2
- ravage86, on 02/07/2008, -0/+8Your country is tiny. We have 3G covering more square miles than you do, it's not cheap.
- mink78, on 02/07/2008, -1/+8No network provider will guarantee against a network outage. They will actually go to great lengths to protect themselves from prosecution in the event there is an outage, such as burying legal jargon in a 20 page terms and conditions document.
If you think that they were happy about having an outage, think again. I can guarantee you that once the red flag went up on the outage, they were busy scrambling to restore service. I am sure the production support teams were all pulled in from their off time activities, which they surely did and worked until the outage was resolved. If you worked in a production environment where uptime was key, you would know exactly what I am talking about. - LaSepultura, on 02/07/2008, -0/+7Oh, you mean that one day outage (out of many thousand working days) that affected EDGE data only?
Dumbass. - LumpOfCole, on 02/07/2008, -2/+93G is awesome, but awesome at the cost of major battery life. I want 3G in my iPhone as much as the next guy, but not if it cuts my power in half. Put 3G in when the battery compensation is reasonable, even if that means Early/Mid 2009 for iPhone 2.0.
- TheUngod, on 02/07/2008, -0/+5To be fair, Japan is freakin tiny compared to the US as far as land mass. It costs them very little comparatively to build a nice network.
- mypreciousss, on 02/07/2008, -0/+5Paradox cat is paradoxical.
- mink78, on 02/07/2008, -2/+73G is becoming an antiquated technology with the upcoming WiMax launches from Clearwire and Sprint. You want open devices? How about unfettered access to the applications you want to use, not what the carrier builds support for? How about speeds up to and beyond 10Mb/s? 3G doesn't touch that, and has an inherent problem with managing devices at the tower because of the spectrum that is chewed up by the GSM network needs. Look for the WiMax carriers to bring these policies into production networks long before any company is able to build a network on the 700MHz C-Block.
- timusca, on 02/07/2008, -2/+7Yeah, very wrong article. Damn you Digg for not allowing comment deletions.
- TypeEE, on 02/07/2008, -5/+10I want more free wifi hotspot more than I want 3G. It cost store owners minimal to install one.
- CharlesSaint, on 02/07/2008, -0/+4What's small? I live in both Iowa City, IA (University of Iowa) and Des Moines, IA which is the capitol (pop. approx. 500,000). Yeah, it's not big by say Chicago standards, but it should least be offered SOMEWHERE in all fifty states (with a few exceptions). It's not like Iowa is a rough area for cell coverage geographically speaking. We don't have jack ***** for hills around here, it's all flat. When I got my blackjack awhile back, the AT&T tech said they would be rolling out here in Iowa with 3g within the year (that was back in late November of 2006). Clearly, my hunch that he was full of ***** has proven true.
- zeejay, on 02/07/2008, -0/+4Just like that whole "electricity" thing won't mean a damn until power outages are eliminated.
- jpe81, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3Congress *is* doing their job...you guys obviously haven't seen the news. they have been very busy lately - they made sure that the regulars season matchup between the giants and pats wasn't blacked out by the nfl network...they are interviewing countless baseball players about steroids...and somehow managed to find time to ask the patriots about video taping...
how much more do you expect them to do??? there are only so many hours in a day! - dagamer34, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3I think Apple is smart enough to realize that the only time you need to have the 3G WiFi chip on is when you are using it. I wouldn't expect them to keep it on just to make sure that Mail checks my inbox every 30 minutes.
- dagamer34, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3And they pay a lot more.
- dmadip, on 02/07/2008, -1/+4this is all true except that WiMAX is vapor and we willl all be dead (2012) before it gets off the ground
- ivantalboys, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3All of the 4 3G phones I have owned have the option to disable the 3G and use only your 2G. This helps increase battery life. It'll be interesting to see if the iPhone has this option on release.
- TypeEE, on 02/07/2008, -4/+7If everyone start providing free wifi, The person who is using your service is most likely your customer. Also what do you have to loose. I went to a place for oil change and found out that they have wifi, and I started going there every time I need something done on my cars.
- mt4055, on 02/07/2008, -1/+4 @fjc8
You are mistaken on all counts. I don't have time to detail all the technical work that has been done because I have work to do installing more new servers. :) - TomFrost, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3...you can't expand what isn't there, dude. Context clues.
- ravage86, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3Congress isn't in charge of prosecuting people.
- MxM111, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3So, this will be the line for iPhone II haters: But it does not have WiMax!
- subliminalurge, on 02/07/2008, -0/+3When I got my blackjack in Jan. '07, I was told that 3G would be out by July (of that same year). Also clearly *****, as we're still waiting.
I wonder if we bought our phones from the same guy? - TomFrost, on 02/07/2008, -1/+4I know you're being sarcastic as hell, here, but do you realize what AT&T spent just to support iPhone 1? They didn't release any numbers, of course, but with new protocols, enhancing the EDGE network, new servers, new activation system, new voicemail system, new account creation system ... there's some money wrapped up in that. iPhone has done more to pull in new AT&T wireless customers than any other single device. Improving for the next model isn't a bad investment.
- christophocles, on 02/07/2008, -0/+2Ever been to an AT&T store in the past year? The first thing the rep asked us was "so you are here to buy 5 iPhones, right?" iPhone is being pushed HEAVILY by AT&T which leads me to believe they must be making a KILLING on this phone. It's bringing millions of people into the smartphone market and AT&T's data plans along with it. I wouldn't doubt that they would roll out massive 3G to bring even more Apple fans into their flock when iPhone-v2 comes out.
- chrisgeleven, on 02/07/2008, -1/+3This is good news, since I can't get an iPhone until 12/27/2008 (when my Verizon contract expires). So here's to hoping that we get a 3G iPhone and maybe eve a 32GB model by then.
- fjc8, on 02/07/2008, -1/+3It matters a lot. AT&T's current personal PDA plan is $30/mo as an addon to a voice line, or $35/mo standalone. And you don't need to get a 2-year contract, either. And you can apply service discounts to that.
I'm not sure why you would say that the lack of 3G doesn't matter because the iPhone is supposedly so much better. As far as usability, the iPhone has a better web browser than most devices. But other devices will catch up and still load pages faster today with 3G. - fjc8, on 02/07/2008, -0/+2I do. Nearly all sites are still readable.
- mt066, on 02/07/2008, -0/+2I'm excited to see wimax if it ever does get started. My contract will be expiring around the expected deployment date, too. But I hardly think 3G is becoming antiquated.
- fjc8, on 02/07/2008, -1/+3"You want open devices?"
Any device with HSDPA support on 850MHz and 1900MHz will operate on AT&T's HSDPA network. Now, it happens that AT&T already sells most of those devices...
"How about unfettered access to the applications you want to use"
The Windows Mobile SDK is freely available. All application signing requirements are easily disabled (or you can add your own root CA and sign your own applications). I would hope that Symbian and Palm would as well. If someone else found it commercially viable to build a 3G device with another OS and got FCC approval, you could use it.
"How about speeds up to and beyond 10Mb/s?"
In the upgrade path. My phone currently supports 3.6 Mbit/sec HSDPA, and so does the AT&T network here. 7.2 Mbit/sec devices aren't far off (data cards should be available already) and the AT&T network will support 7.2 soon in areas with 3.6 now. 14.4 Mbit/sec will follow.
"3G doesn't touch that, and has an inherent problem with managing devices at the tower because of the spectrum that is chewed up by the GSM network needs."
What the hell are you talking about? AT&T has enough licensed spectrum to deploy 3G in the areas in which they have done so, especially with the impending shutdown of analog service and continued shutdown of TDMA. They've obtained more bandwidth in other markets. - inactive, on 02/07/2008, -0/+2Who cares about the iphone?! 3G will fix maybe 1 issue.
There are still a hell of a lot of limitations and bugs for users that can do the same functions on other PDA phones! - mannaran, on 02/07/2008, -2/+4Mobile WiMax pwns 3G! Hell with operators!
- roberto_deneero, on 02/08/2008, -0/+1Well, you could always try crying about it. Maybe that might help.
- Scaryclouds, on 02/08/2008, -0/+1I'd say both are good, if not guaranteed bets. AT&T's CEO said 3G phones would be available this year and continued decreasing costs of NAND memory (75% since August) would make a 32GB memory card cost about the same as a 16GB by June. Interestingly enough, that is a speculated launch date for the iPhone 2. Here's to hoping :)
- MacParrot, on 02/07/2008, -0/+1I actually have ATT as my carrier and can attest to this. The coverage around my neighborhood is terrible (not hick-central...Northern Virginia near DC) and I would have switched to another carrier except their coverage is no better (Wife's work phone on Verizon, neighbor's Sprint phone). I didn't (and won't) buy an iPhone because all I needed a phone for was to make calls. Maybe the next-gen one will change my mind.
- Scaryclouds, on 02/08/2008, -0/+1It's a fad!
- friday04, on 02/07/2008, -2/+3So watch this, then tell me how much 3G matters. Theoretical speed ≠ real-world speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzETYbGEqgo - fjc8, on 02/09/2008, -0/+1I don't need to watch a video. I watch my own HSDPA 3.6 device every day. (faster than plain UMTS)
- roberto_deneero, on 02/08/2008, -0/+1iPhone 2.0 will be vastly improved. People love the iPhone concept, now they realize to sell those 10 Million units they need to add the whole shebang.
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