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- TheHayze, on 11/18/2008, -4/+47So, lets see we can get this right. Steve wants someone, not Apple mind you, i.e. Adobe, to write a special version of Flash JUST for the iPhone/iPod Touch? Then he wants them to submit it for approval, because the SDK, as it stands, doesn't allow Flash? This will probably mean a substantial firmware update, probably 3.0 if it gets to that point. Or that will mean an iPhone/iPod Touch 3rd gen with re-worked hardware, which again is more $$$.
It just appears to me that Apple is turning more proprietary then even Microsoft/IBM. If this is the direction of Apple in 2010+, then it's a completely different business/attitude that founded Apple: Being Different, and not Microsoft/IBM. I'm sure to get flamed for this, and dugg into a graveyard of guilt by association of Apple haters... So, let it commence! - Archaic1, on 11/18/2008, -0/+28Flash would be nice, but I'd be happy with just a browser that didn't crash on even the most basic web 2.0 sites.
- Prism123, on 11/18/2008, -0/+22apple has always been more proprietary than microsoft, since they like to control every aspect of what their software runs on...
- digmystuff, on 11/18/2008, -12/+32iphone needs flash.
- 12Iceman, on 11/18/2008, -1/+20Does anyone else not really miss flash on the iPhone? Pretty much the only thing flash based I would really want to use on my iPhone is Hulu.
- habbofresh, on 11/18/2008, -2/+19what's javascript then?
- everfresh59, on 11/18/2008, -1/+17Flash will never be on the iPhone anytime soon, Steve knows it's all about the benjamins.....
- Modestexcuse, on 11/18/2008, -1/+17News Flash: We all want it on our mobile devices. I'm searching for the correct phrase...oh, Supply and Demand. That's it!
- habbofresh, on 11/18/2008, -1/+16yeah! all my pictures are dark!
- ScottyDontKnow, on 11/18/2008, -0/+13youporn has an iPhone site ;) All quicktime vids. Not that i've ever looked :s
- ganus, on 11/18/2008, -1/+11I think Apple is so resistant to flash because of all the great flash games. I'm sure people would purchase fewer games from the iTunes store if they could play flash games for free.
- habbofresh, on 11/17/2008, -2/+10I hope it's lightweight and efficient. To some degree the commonplace usage of flash on many websites has left Safari 'crippled' but I don't want my battery surrendering to the cause.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/18/2008, -1/+9I haven't had much problem. Look at digg. this site is basically javascript and probably some CSS. The only flash is the ads. The same thing is true of many sites, where flash is only used to CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR NEW IPOD NANO
If disabling flash actually CRIPPLES a website, the designers didn't build it correctly. Sites should fall back on standard HTML in basic form if flash isn't present or working. People who design such sites have a special place for them reserved in hell. - BobCFC, on 11/18/2008, -0/+7How about optimising for Core2Duo?
Watching YouTube or DailyShow videos uses more CPU% than fullscreen 720p films using h264. - benologist, on 11/18/2008, -0/+7I think Adobe might be the kind of company you bend the rules for. Apple needs Flash on the iPhone more than Adobe does.... Adobe's already firmly entrenched on the internet.
- TheBigKlosowski, on 11/18/2008, -0/+7Exactly. Can we get a more efficient JavaScript engine and maybe some stability, then talk about Flash? Flash has a lot overhead and will totally kill the user experience.
- TehDoctor, on 11/18/2008, -0/+6I only want flash if it doesn't hurt the battery life too much, and if it comes with an adblocker. And a stabler Safari. That app crashes every time I use it, but maybe the iPhone just has ***** VM management.
- fluxion, on 11/18/2008, -1/+7indeed. last thing i need is some ***** flash plugin pinging my cpu without me knowing for no good reason and leaving me with no more battery power. flash is wack. silverlight and others are far more efficient (even for us linux users) and id be more than happy to see an alternate less crappy technology take hold in the mobile market
- Modestexcuse, on 11/18/2008, -2/+8Have you not heard of youporn.com??
- dougbarrett, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5Aren't the Nokia Internet Tablets running on TI processors that use ARM processors? They have had flash for years.
- stubear, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5Shouldn't you be getting those ActionScript programmers coffee right now?
- blackinthmiddle, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5He's getting away with this now, but eventually competition will force him to give in. Which is why even though I have an iPhone, I'm happy about all of the latest touch phones that are coming out. Either he gives the people what they want or someone else will.
- OPR8R, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4This is all pretty disappointing. IMO web browsers that don't have flash are almost unacceptable. To say there is a "full" browser on the iPhone is a bit of an overstatement here. I'm really hoping this is fixed soon...
- etx313, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4ARM you say? Great, it will work on my Android powered HTC Vogue. And it's already running WebKit to render web pages. Hopefully a port wouldn't be too difficult.
- coul2t, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4As Wired pointed out today in an article on their front page, the iPhone TOS explicitly prohibits anything like flash from being ported to the phone. And really, since you have big flash video sites like Youtube and Break converting their vids to quicktime, its just not a big deal anyway. I would predict them working with other large video sharing services like Vimeo to make individual video apps rather than allowing a flash plug-in for Safari.
And really, mobile Safari is so ***** anyway, just imagine the amount of crashes that would result from trying to load a large flash video... - mrsteveman1, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4hmmmmm be back in.......1 minute?
- Keithamus, on 11/18/2008, -1/+5youtube
- jamshid, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3Yeah, I doubt Apple is in a rush to support Flash. I rarely miss having Flash on my iphone, since it does have the YouTube app. I even have Flash disabled in my Firefox browser at work (stability issues), I switch to IE when I need it.
Sites are starting to offer real video formats in addition to Flash video. Real video formats play more efficiently on mobile devices. HTML5 even introduced a tag, so expect to see less usage of Flash for video.
Sure there are lots of Flash games, but nothing compelling, and iPhone has plenty of games.
It would be very interesting if Apple offered a javascript api bridge to its iphone sdk, to give regular ajax webapps more app-like features (eg, access to gps, audio/mic). http://jiggyapp.com was doing something like that on jailbroken iphones last year, but the project seems to have died with the release of iPhone 2.x. - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3Seriously, and goddamn. Anyone who's written anything for the iphone successfully knows full well what it's memory and processor limitations are, and it's more than obvious to all of us that it's simply not going to handle flash as it stands now---jobs is absolutely right. And he's also right about the whittle down version, which is just about good enough for playing youtube videos (which the iphone can do without it) and that's about it. Calm the ***** down.
- blackinthmiddle, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3I miss it when someone sends me a link to a page with embedded flash and I have to wait to see it, because my iPhone doesn't render it.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3That's how the market works, if people don't want a phone without flash Apple will take a hit. The market isn't all that intelligent though, and i doubt people would make buying decisions en mass based on the flash issue.
The iPhone has a youtube app, which is all most people want flash for anyway, that and stupid little games. - Tikisam, on 11/18/2008, -1/+4How awesome would it be if Adobe stuck it to Apple and released Flash to the Jailbreak community?
- subliminalurge, on 11/18/2008, -6/+8News Flash: No, not all of us.
- protocolor, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2i'm not advocating flash on the iphone, and of course i understand opengl is hardware-accelerated, but it's still pushing the cpu and battery, no matter what's accelerating it. i think everyone knows that the iphone processor simply is too slow for a lot of things people are wanting it to do.
- dogparade, on 11/19/2008, -0/+2why? because your a Flex RIA developer or some over ***** pointless fad profession.
- LuckySephid, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3Flash = iPorn
- mrsteveman1, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3It's being interpreted by apples own framework, not a third party framework.
Javascript doesn't kill the battery if the engine is fast, and webkit is pretty fast. It doesn't annoy me with audio ads either. - mrsteveman1, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3It's actually a car sized rucksack full of hurt
- jayhawk, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2because if i go over the minutes on the basic plan i use i pay them more, which they'd lose if i used skype. if i want to call overseas then they could lose out on that money as well.
- DomZy, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2I want it to be opt in on a page by page basis:
"this page has flash elements: enable?" - mrsteveman1, on 11/18/2008, -0/+23D is hardware accelerated, flash isn't. h264 video is also accelerated.
Running flash on the processor itself would probably max it out at exactly the time the browser itself needs the most power (it already takes a bit to render pages, scroll down fast to see what i mean). Plus Safari already crashes quite a bit, you don't want flash sitting there eating memory, with ads on random websites telling you about your new ipod nano.
Fact is, safari on the iphone is right on the edge of stability and efficiency already, flash puts it way way over the line. - facelogic, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1"Desktop Flash has only been around fairly recently."
??
Macromedia Flash debuted in 1996.
SmartMedia the first commercial standard of desktop flash memory hit the market in 1995.
12 or 13 years is roughly half of the desktop computer's entire history.
"recently"??? - arma, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1its Jobs, not Jobbs. DAMN IT!
- Leopards, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1The heck with the iPhone! This is good news for the upcoming version of Ubuntu that will run on ARM processors!!
- jamshid, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Are you sure the S60 has real Flash? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S60_platform references Flash Lite (watered down flash that nobody uses).
You can't be serious that the iPhone is a minority player in the smartphone market: http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/11/07/ip ... "With a surge of nearly 6.9 million shipments in calendar Q3, the iPhone leapfrogged past RIM (RIMM) and Motorola (MOT) to grab 17.3% of the smartphone market.
That put Apple (AAPL) in second place after Nokia, and helped cut the market-leader’s share from 51.4% to 38.9%."
I'm glad Nokia open sourced Symbian and I've always respected their quality and commitment to mobile technology, but they have a LOT of competition from (in order) Apple, RIM, Android, and Windows Mobile. - BrandonP63, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1We've been hearing this since the original iPhone came out. We were close then and we are just as close now. :-P
- KMartSheriff, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1No, you're 100% right. From this to the stupid HDCP crap with their new notebooks, I can't stand what Apple is becoming.
- imac79, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1I find it really weird that no one has made a program for a jail-broken iphone that flash would be possible. It must not be that hard to crack the code of flash and port it to the iphone.
- slickwatson, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1braggart
- jo21, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1it doesn't.
its used in sony ericsson phones for menus and nokia smartphones browser supports it too. and they run on small batteries of 900mah--1200mah -
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