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- imjustabill, on 10/10/2007, -9/+36What do people expect from apple? They want to make things that "just work" for average Joe User. As a Windows Mobile user I can attest firsthand that a good most of the windows mobile apps you find are total crap, even the paid ones. They constantly crash, dont work as expected, and can just be a pain in the ass. What do 90% of people with smartphones want to do? Send email, surf the web, keep track of appointments, and make phone calls. The iPhone does all of these pretty damn well. The last thing Apple wants is for some crappy 3rd party developers to come screw up the great user experience they've created. Yeah, there are us nerds who just have to run our own apps, and you'll notice that apple isn't screaming bloody murder about people hacking their iPhones. Just like with AppleTV, they lock it down so it runs well, not so that you can't mess with it.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -7/+26This article was very poorly-written, with little to back up most of the arguments made, and not a whole lot of thought put into many of them. That doesn't mean that it doesn't bring up some very valid points, especially the bit about the next killer app that might never see the light of day. As a shareholder, I agree that management at Apple is being foolish by saying that the iPhone is, as a matter-of-fact, a closed platform similar to the iPod, and implying that if the iPod was successful with this limitation, that the iPhone will be as well. The difference is that the iPod is a highly specialized device, with a limited user input, and a very narrow focus as a music player, a task which is adequately addressed by the stock software. The iPhone, however, is a (relatively expensive) hand-held computer with complex user input, and a million potential uses, running a very capable operating system. Suggesting web development as an alternative to native apps is not a realistic solution, as there are many more capabilities than what can be exploited through a web browser.
There is no way a single vendor could even scratch the surface of the capabilities of the iPhone, and so it is reprehensible that Apple would actually want to keep it locked down. Trying to prevent native application development only hurts Apple, as customers are either going to buy an alternative device without this limitation (once there are roughly equivalent competitors available), or they are going to be alienated from Apple by having to jump through hoops to install the modifications they want. If Apple is stalling for time to develop a proper SDK, then they need to do a better job of communicating that developer support is coming. If they really have no plans on supporting 3rd party development, then they need to fire whoever made that decision and get cracking on an SDK. Continuing in the current direction is unacceptable. The same goes for the AppleTV as well... - nailPuppy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Can your phone place calls?
A: Yes
B: No
If you answered A, your phone is working properly. - Avalontor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11"... outrageous deal that AT&T forced them to sign." Nobody was forced to sign anything, they did it of their own free will. now stfu and realize Apple is %50 party to a deal struck by 2 companies. So to you, all the good parts of the deal are Apples and the bad parts of the deal are AT&T. Nice try wanker and grow up. It's a PARTNERSHIP
- streak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10How do you explain Skype running on Windows Mobile devices which are sold by major carriers?
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -7/+14There are rumours circulating that Google is talking to the Moko team, so maybe G-Phone, which has hundreds of millions going into development, will also be both open and free (ad-assisted).
Apple could do much more by relying on developers that think outside the browser. That's how killer apps are born. - streak, on 10/10/2007, -8/+15Let's see, the iPhone has been available 6 weeks now. Just an ETERNITY, don't you think? Would it have been better for Apple to wait so long until a proper SDK was available before bringing the iPhone to market? The June 2007 launch window might have slipped a bit, you know?
- colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I'm alienated. I wanted to port my custom asset management app to the iPhone so I didn't have to carry around my laptop everywhere. Apple's security excuse is piss poor, and honestly their suggestion to use JavaScript is almost insulting. Do they really think developers are that stupid?
- JefffN, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9One could argue it was that thinking that caused Apple to lose the OS dominance in the first place...
- skingers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Well point 1 and 2 are pretty much the same thing and point 5 is overly MS fanboyish.
Bill gates did not "have the vision" to separate hardware and software, he simply didn't have a hardware product to "separate". Agreed it worked out well for him(!), but please it was a happy coincidence at best.
Just look at the current MS Zune strategy - closed. Even to previous "plays for maybe" partners...
...and the O/S for the do it yourself XBOX-360 hardware? No sorry. Appears Microsoft have altered their consumer electronics approach to be more like Apple...
If Apple does set the mobile phone world on fire with iPhone (jury is still out there) then expect a nice closed ZunePhone to follow..... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7iPhone people sure do complain a lot about a product that they just had to wait in line for.
- CLShortFuse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I hate Verizon's policy on lockdown and which is why I enjoy AT&T. With my personal webserver and I can download/stream music/videos on to my cellphone. iPhone would be a step back since it wouldn't even let me download and store an MP3 off a web page. Unfortunately, many of us AT&T customers are afraid the NEW AT&T will be like Verizon. =/
- pixelsoup, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5*Ad-assisted* just to have something free?
I will gladly pay NOT to have ads or do without if I can't afford it. - havesometea, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It isn't stupid and arrogant from a support perspective. Unlocking it would allow all sorts of stupid things to be done on the phone to which the stupid end user with call support and say..."muh phone be's broken"...and when the tech support person tries to figure out what is wrong they find the stupid end user installed who knows what on their phone.
- benitojuarez, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6I own one share of planet kerjigger, so I'm entitled to some answers.
- Visarga, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3What I would need from iPhone:
* SSH to remote login and reboot my server when there are problems and I am not at the desktop (and SFTP)
* access to the iPhone file system and internal shell to play with it
* an easy internal scripting language (Perl ?) that would build quick and dirty user apps for various personal uses
* possibility to download MP3s from the net, put them in the music player, use them as ringtones
* GPS (or at least cell tower triangulation) integrated with the maps
* universal instant messenger running in the bg
* integration with various picture hosting, blogging, social networking sites
* dictionary - it has a lot of Flash memory, more than enough to host huge dictionaries
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Sum = it should be open just like the full Mac OS - colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3OS X doesn't become more unstable when you install 3rd party apps. The iPhone is running OS X. Therefore, 3rd party apps won't make the iPhone unstable.
- dcutting, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Adieu? ADIEU?! It's "without further ADO". ARGH!! WTF does "without further goodbye" mean?! Fine, bury me.
- paulgibson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah I think that it is quite relevant too, If you don't want to spend money on the device because it cant do the things that you want it too...why get worked up about it, just don't buy it and find something else that suits you better. I admit that I love the phone, because it does everything that I was wanting it to do (and more). I am not making excuses for any functionality that wasn't there for you guys, but there are a lot of folk that don't need anything else from it. Even tho apple delivered (almost!) everything everyone was wanting (e.g. full touch screen, full apple integration, Internet access, ipod..etc) there is always something that someone else wants from it. I just feel that Apple cannot win with some of you!
- cmadach, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4This is my $0.02:
Maybe, just maybe, Apple *wants* the iPhone to stay how it developed it. Just like Colonel Sanders wants his secret blend of 11 herbs and spices to stay how he developed it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. The market is the only place to have your voice heard. But I'd bet that the majority--vast majority-- is perfectly happy with how the iPhone is now.
I wish my truck came with wings, or at least had little slots where i could attach wings, but it didn't. - CLShortFuse, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4read the article next time. it doesn't once talk about the AT&T provider lock
- GREEDOnvrFIRED, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5This article reads like "7 Reasons Why Keeping the iPhone Locked Down is a Pretty Clever Idea."
It plainly points out that even when "locked down" Apple products will attract developers and manufacturers who will develop features and add-ons by hook or by crook. Apple then chooses those breakthroughs it deems worthy and absorbs them, licenses them or taxes them. This way they have their cake and eat it too. They have rigorous control of how the product is perceived and over how it will evolve. Seems win/win to me... and this article helped me see that. - Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It sounds like good reasoning on paper, but how come it works for everyone else? Is it simply because AT&T and Verizon are incompetent that they can't handle what *tons* of other network providers do as a matter of course, or is there some more adequate reason behind hit?
- undetected, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It's pretty obvious you didn't read the article. At the very least, read the copy/paste job done by S201 above.
- Smoozle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Market share aside, looking at both Windows (of present and past) and Mac OS X (also of present and past) were Apple wrong to think that.
- livevil, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Apple has always been enslaving their users. It's not a new thing. Regardless of how much you rant about it, anal retentive Steve Jobs will ignore the concept of fair use.
- turbovince, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Buried for redundant as *****. Nothing new in there.
- Velnich, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Is spite a good enough reason to hate the iphone?
- johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2true GPS sucks on cell phones. it takes forever, and it destroys batteries. if you have ever actually used a GPS device, you would know it's not nearly as cool as it seems. it takes forever to use and something as obstructive as a car roof will block the signal, let alone being inside a building. it's great if you are outside on foot, or have it out on your dashboard so it can look "up" (but i have had issues with that at times). it doesn't always work super well in big cities like NYC because of the buildings.
i don't know how accurate cell tower triangulation is, and if that can currently integrate with something like maps.google. i would think that's not too hard to work out, and probably the best bet for phone performance. i don't know how precise the cell tower triangulation would be in something like a city where signals bounce off buildings. - tobsterius, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's interesting how you can claim that the clamshell iBooks weren't replaceable and yet... http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/powerbook/battery/ibook-g3-clamshell/
- skingers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That's a separate issue entirely.
Apple never prevented anyone from writing software for Mac OS, ever.
They did prevent Mac OS running on other hardware, but that is a different issue to what you are talking about. - mrsteveman1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4stop talking, stop writing, and go away.
- Balanced, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2This article appears to be mostly about the lack of a SDK for true 3rd party apps.
- moisie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Maybe they aren't targetting businessmen. Yet?
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yes... Visual Voicemail is freaking awesome!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I whole heartedly agree with the last 3 sentences of your post, sir!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah, Bravo Apple. So far you have a ***** Nintendo emulator to "absorb." Woo ***** hoo. I see the light now.
- jeffyjones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This and other similar opinions lack context. I can say with a great deal of certainty that the reason this is a closed platform is because of technical concerns, namely keeping the phone a stable platform. Most people who write code know this is the case, and while they might be frustrated with it, they understand it.
What it most certainly is not, as some will imply, is some kind of goofy power game on the part of Apple. - moisie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Of course they don't think developers are stupid, they're just offering the current solution as being a good one for certain things. They're not marketing this as a replacement for your laptop. If you want your phone to be that then you're free to build your own or design apps for another phone that allows it.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That would be fine, but they need to COMMUNICATE...
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No they don't tend to do that but Apple haters tend to make up crap like this.
Look at the Newton, the Cube and the Pippin - how well did they sell? - xqb4dpx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1do you think ALL the cellphone companies in the world want to implement Visual Voicemail?
- whiteyMcBrown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I don't understand the amount of complaining.. If you don't like what this device has to offer, buy a different one. There are a lot of good phones out there. Apple's offering is plainly laid out on the table. Don't act like you're worse off than before... Every other device that you loved is still out there. Think of this thing along the same lines as an iMac... Before you purchase it, understand the limitations and see if you're willing to live within them.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Tell that to people who installed any Norton products...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Good response. Dugg up. One thing to consider though -- you *have* 3rd party apps. You're still at a total advantage. Heck, anyone with a RAZR is.
- batmant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Arrogant? Apple? Nahhhh...
- johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2because we know those answers:
1) it will be when they work out a deal with other carriers
2) the 3G is spotty, and unlike other 3G phones, there is not room in an iPhone to add both a 3G and an EDGE chipset. also most iPhone users live in populated areas and we all have tons of WiFi networks. you only really need the 3G for web browsing, and that would be way faster through WiFi anyway.
3) to make a case with a opening battery compartment would make the phone a bit bigger. in the case of the iPhone, that "bigger" would be more significant that most other phones. the battery life seems pretty good, and all ***** lawsuits aside, the battery is going to still be at 80% capacity in a few years. that's not too bad. maybe future revisions will address this, like they did with the old iBooks. the clamshell iBooks did not have auser replacable battery, later models did (whent hey became the "icebook" iBook. - phogasmic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1dude theipone rocks I'm using it to reply to you.
- Terrk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If everyone would just go Open Source, we'd all be happy;-)
- skingers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I understand that MS has WINDOWS MOBILE (your caps). What I am saying is that they also had an open platform for music players and disregarded it in favour of a closed one.
All I'm saying is that closed devices have their place and even MS do some.
The jury is still out on wether closed is the right approach for the 6 week old iphone. -
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