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- DavidTurnbull, on 08/27/2009, -2/+50I don't know what I would've done without this information that is months old!
- hasslinthehoff, on 08/27/2009, -1/+207. Actual live Snow Leopard not included.
- 1town, on 08/27/2009, -1/+15I like how the wired article has a screenshot of the new quicktime showing an obviously pirated episode of fringe. -.-
- lead2thehead, on 08/27/2009, -0/+11How many people do you know who have upgraded? And how the hell did they get a copy of it? It doesn't even go on sale until tomorrow!
- borez, on 08/27/2009, -5/+14No PPC support, what a pain in the arse. My G5 is still a more than capable computer and it ain't that old. There's no way I'm forking out for a new Intel for a good few years yet, guess I'll just have to suffer.
- MacParrot, on 08/27/2009, -1/+8That's a good point, but isn't that more of a slam against Adobe than Apple? Also why do you assume that "most" programs will be broken and that most developers won't update without cost? If it worked under Leopard (obviously we're talking about Intel Macs), then why wouldn't it work under Snow Leopard?
- Surkit, on 08/27/2009, -0/+6"Hardware the rocks your world"
I wasn't aware OSes became hardware. - howdesign, on 08/27/2009, -0/+5One thing that I've heard is gone is Appletalk networking. If you have an old laser printer that you use Appletalk with, be prepared to need to use a different protocol, which could be a headache for some.
- originaljeeves, on 08/27/2009, -6/+11I agree with the article, Snow Leopard is not a massive radical change but for the price tag its worth it.
- rimantas, on 08/27/2009, -1/+6You cannot install multitouch capable trackpad via software update.
- sudowrestler, on 08/27/2009, -1/+6"In the Windows world it's called a service pack. And it's free."
Windows users who call this a "service pack" clearly don't understand what Windows Service Packs are. Possibly instead of trolling Mac threads they should learn something about their own operating system. - hulahoophugs, on 08/27/2009, -2/+6it's always good to wait on upgrading your os until other programs are compatible. although i find it strange that snow leopard would give final cut issues since it's made by apple. on the other hand, i'm sure it'll be fixed very quickly
- MacParrot, on 08/27/2009, -1/+5Code optimization for Intel will mean at leasst SOME increase even for those with Core Solo and Core Duo (Only Core2Duo and above are capable of moving up to 64-bit), but you're right. Their won't be a big increase for those machines. Even the ones that do move up to 64-bit won't see a huge increase until all the apps become 64-bit.
(Can someone smarter than me expand on this?) - mabakerbraker, on 08/27/2009, -5/+9Why is there so much bitching about an incremental update to a system that is ANYWAY working perfectly stable(Leopard)? I mean let's just wait till 10.7 to see what they will do with all the new technologies introduced in 10.6 and THEN start bitching.
- Spuy767, on 08/27/2009, -6/+10Then the people you know must not be that good with computers because no one with half a brain would ever upgrade to a one day old OS on a production machine.
- Zippo, on 08/27/2009, -0/+4Probably for the best... the kitty litter in my apartment is much too small for a wildcat.
- cardyology, on 08/27/2009, -2/+6I read somewhere that snow leopard would enable 3 & 4 finger gestures on my 2007 Santa Rosa white macbook. I got excited about this however after installing the leaked copy of snow leopard in anticipation for friday (yes I've bought it) the gestures aren't there?
Slightly disapointed by this. - MacParrot, on 08/27/2009, -3/+6There = Their. Sheesh, I will no longer give people a hard time for that.
- DocHoliday22, on 08/27/2009, -2/+5We "knew: this stuff a long time ago. It's been published by everyone and their grandmother.
- cardyology, on 08/27/2009, -0/+3http://www.9to5mac.com/snow-leopard-five-finger-di ...
- birch25, on 08/27/2009, -0/+3Developers have had builds of it for months and the GM was seeded a few weeks ago. If you have a developer friend or really any access to the internet then you could do it too.
- sobri, on 08/27/2009, -4/+7Because Snow Leopard is a release that has the almost singular goal of performance and cleanup. That's a brilliant thing, and an all too rare thing in the world of software that's driven by feature bullet points demanded by marketing types.
- 1town, on 08/27/2009, -2/+5@macParrot
Because in the Windows world, that's called taking a ***** on your customer then charging them double to have it cleaned up. - andy8ender, on 08/27/2009, -0/+3Dug for the screenshot of the clearly pirated episode of Fringe.
- MacParrot, on 08/27/2009, -5/+7@confound
Then why wasn't Windows 7 released for free? It was built pretty much on the same underpinnings of Vista. - fragmit, on 08/27/2009, -1/+3Well, you had to get your G5 before August 2006, as that is when the last one was made. It is at least three years old. I don't blame Apple for dropping PPC support. Nobody is making you upgrade from Leopard...
- Philbert, on 08/27/2009, -1/+3That's good to know, thanks.
- birch25, on 08/27/2009, -0/+2I did an entire project with Final Cut Pro, Motion, Compressor, and DVD Studio Pro running on Snow Leopard (also had a laptop with Leopard with me, just in case) and didn't have a single problem. It could be a third party plugin that's causing the problem.
- MacParrot, on 08/27/2009, -1/+3Yes with some work. Apple doesn't (or hasn't so far) force people to input the S/N for the single and multi-user OS X packs, so in theory you could install Leopard on the MB and then use the upgrade disk for both machines. This is assuming you have a retail copy of Leopard (or know where to find one ::cough::torrents::cough cough).
I have 5 Macs at the house (Both my kids have minis, my wife just got a MB for her Birthday, My 24-inch iMac, and my MBP) and I'm getting the family pack. I don't actually HAVE to but Apple's pricing for the extra licensing (even with previous versions...$129 for single, $199 for 5) is pretty reasonable. - mabakerbraker, on 08/27/2009, -0/+2Just try to watch any YouTube HD video on your venerable poermac or any G5 machine and you'll be soon confronted with the harsh albeit unfair reality...
- Balanced, on 08/27/2009, -0/+2They won't support it, but hat doesn't mean it doesn't work. Photoshop Cs3, for example, has already been reported as working pretty good, while Adobe Bridge is dead.
Things break with OS upgrades because API interfaces and behaviors change. In general, low-level utilities and 'high performance' apps are most likely to break as they may use undocumented APIs or rely on behaviors that are technically wrong. - SteveMax, on 08/27/2009, -0/+2PPC wasn't register-starved like x86. The only difference between ppc and ppc-64 was the amount of memory addressable without jumping through hoops; so for most things, compiling as a 64-bit software was useless. The kernel definitely didn't need the 64-bit support, and was never compiled as ppc-64.
Now, x86 was a pretty bad architecture if you examine it. It had only eight registers for each type (float/integer), which is ridiculously low, specially for a multitasking environment. The CPU spent quite some time juggling values between the registers and the cache, and that made performance suffer. x86-64 doubled the number of registers, and that was a major improvement; most software will benefit from being compiled for x86-64, using more registers. Therefore, it makes sense to make a x86-64 kernel. By the way, ppc has twice as many registers for each type as x86-64.
OS X could always run 64-bit software on 64-bit capable hardware even with a 32-bit kernel. - lead2thehead, on 08/27/2009, -2/+4Catching up? You know that the G5 is a 64 bit CPU, right?
- Mike17102, on 08/27/2009, -2/+4Apple isnt MS, they wont support things until the end of time at the cost of performance and other issues.
Intel chips have been out for a while, so its time for the PPC to go the way of the dinosaur. 10.5 is perfectly fine to keep using if you have an older machine. - lead2thehead, on 08/27/2009, -2/+3I'm betting that there won't be any speed increase at all on the ones with 32 bit CPUs.
- lead2thehead, on 08/27/2009, -1/+2Look mommy, I can do a google search!
- MacParrot, on 08/27/2009, -2/+3Your G5 still is a great machine and will continue to be so under 10.5. Apple every so often moves on to new software/hardware technology not necessarily fully compatible with what they had before. Every Mac user if they've been with Apple long enough gets bit sooner or later. While sometimes it would be nice to have the backwards compatibility that Windows users enjoy, that comes at a price of overhead within the OS that Apple doesn't want to manage. Plus it means that we all have to buy new machines every so often which I'm sure is a factor in Apple's decision as well.
OS6 to OS7
Moto 68xxx to PPC
OS9 to OS X
PPC to Intel
PPC OS X to Intel OS X - t0ny, on 08/29/2009, -0/+1Ever try feeding one of those things?
- anarchy99, on 08/27/2009, -0/+1not to mention he said they didnt get a review copy but he was running the GM build so it was most likey the one pirated and leaked from the 13th
PIRACY FTW - t0ny, on 08/29/2009, -0/+164-bit does not mean more speed. It can be faster and it can be slower too. The most important part of 64-bit is each app can address more then 4GB of memory now.
- sinembarg0, on 08/28/2009, -0/+1but you can enable functionality that's already there, just not enabled.
See: ipod touch 2g, and OS3.0 adding bluetooth. - irishemperor, on 08/27/2009, -0/+1Just bought a 13" MBP that came with Leopard, if I send my 2 year old White MB (Tiger) to my sister & buy the Snow Leopard upgrade for my recently purchased MBP - could she install & use the bundled Leopard that I'll be overwriting ?
- LinuxCobra, on 08/27/2009, -0/+1It might work depending on the hardware. I do this all the time at work and it really comes down to what the OS disc. If it is a retail copy you picked up from a store you can install it on many Macs that can run it but if it came bundled with your Mac in the box then it may or may not work.
Just remember this, it all depends on the hardware. - MacParrot, on 08/27/2009, -1/+2I'm sure you know this, but SL can't be installed on PPC Macs no matter what vintage they are. However with SL being only $49 for the family pack (and you'll eventually replace those other machines), it's still cheaper to get the family pack for the two Intel Macs you already have.
To be fair to our Windows friends, Microsoft does offer a multi-license Windows 7 but at not the discount that Apple does with its multi-user deals. - shinkou, on 08/28/2009, -1/+2I hear non-Intel mac users roaring evening louder!
- irishemperor, on 08/27/2009, -1/+1thanks for the replies,
it does say on the bundled Leopard disk that it's for installation on Macbook *Pro* indicating some kind of restrictions..
aside from the 2 intel macbooks, we have an ibook g4 & imac g5 - so the family pack isn't as good a deal - but still not bad - Windows 7 should really be offered the same way ;)
I still haven't registered the new MBP or the Applecare I bought with it - in thinking that I should wait till I buy Snow Leopard & avoiding this copy of Leopard being tied to the hardware I bought it with.. (fuzzy logic? I have been drinking alot lately) :P - sobri, on 08/27/2009, -0/+0Maybe. Although sometimes the OS disks that're shipped with Macs are tied to that specific model. Like if you get a laptop and you try to use its disks in an iMac, it might deny you.
I don't know a whole lot about which combinations work or don't. All I know is that I tried once and was denied, getting some message saying the disks weren't for that model.
Still, disks that come with a MacBook Pro you'd think would be alright in a MacBook... You'd think... - MikeDugg, on 08/27/2009, -5/+5buried for inaccuracy. The author doesn't even know what he is writing about.
- Elranzer, on 08/27/2009, -1/+1Just torrent a copy of CS4 then.
- lead2thehead, on 08/27/2009, -2/+2I'd say converting the entire OS from 32 to 64 bit is a very massive, radical change.
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