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Would Clinton Prefer McCain To Obama In November?

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com — "This is far too crude even for Karl Rove. It is a parody of a brutal Rove ad. Without batting an eyelid, Clinton effortlessly adopts the entire worldview of the most cynical of Republican operatives and applies it with the delicacy of a shovel to the likely Democratic party nominee."

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Dysarthria, on 04/16/2008, -2/+51The answer is yes.

She's lost the nomination (if Obama can keep his mouth shut in front of liberal fat-cats). If Obama wins the White House, she can't run again until 2016, when she's 69 years old and without the machine her husband built.
- thefirstenemy, on 04/16/2008, -2/+13She'd be unlikely to run in 2016 either, Obama's vice president would be 99% certain to get the nomination.
- chrissku, on 04/16/2008, -1/+9She won't run again. I'm pretty sure come June she'll completely hate politics. She lost and she knows it. I think she's still in shock. Once that wears off she'll get out.
  - BishkekBuddy, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5Oh I disagree - she will NEVER hate politics... it's the voters she hates - and politicians who speak the truth to people. And, unfortunately, I disagree with your claim that she knows she's lost - she can't see anything except her own political ambition and greed. This is why she must never sit behind the big desk in an oval office - EVER.
    - RoboRay, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1The really sad part is that she never got to sit under it, either. That spot was already taken.
  - kreneskyp, on 04/16/2008, -0/+2i think she'd stick around long enough to raise hell for obama.
- didiman, on 04/16/2008, -11/+1News flash: the majority of people would prefer McCain over Obama.
  - Michael9636, on 08/04/2008, -0/+3What alternate universe did that come from?
- ProjectGSX, on 04/16/2008, -0/+2Exactly. If she doesnt win this year, she may have another shot in 4 years but definitely not in 8. She needs to get McCain into the white house if she wants a second shot at the nomination.
- pg8290, on 04/16/2008, -0/+2I'm surprised no one sees this yet... Hillary is very smart, she knows she can't win, and therefore trying to create enough hell so the Democratic party will step in and broker the nomination. With attacks such as these Obama is going to face a difficult choice, on one side he will face defeat to McCain complements of Hillary. The other is to take Hillary as his running mate which effectively will screw his agenda
theuniversal, on 04/16/2008, -1/+17"Are they cynics or narcissists?"
That's way too easy: narcissists.
jbdobd, on 04/16/2008, -1/+41Hillary Clinton. The Most Divisive Politician in America.
- StarlessKnight, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5Don't worry, if she gets the nomination she'll come out with her arms wide before the Democratic party and loudly proclaim, "We need to put all of that behind us and become united, not divided!" Sure, we'll unite together in loving peace and understanding that you tried completely destroying the credibility of the opponent in your own party, and we haven't even gotten to the Democrat vs Republican divide yet. Unity. The same sort of political nonsense Bush tried to employ: I'm a uniter, not a divider. Maybe in some far off dream.
Gabberwok, on 04/16/2008, -1/+33Of course she would. If Obama wins, he would almost certainly be the Democratic candidate again in 2012 essentially ruling out any shot of Clinton getting another shot before she looks like Yoda/McCain. The other leaders of the Democratic party have to make it clear to her that if Obama loses because of her, she can forget not only about 2012 but about holding any other significant position in the Democratic party for the rest of her career. I voted for her for NY Senate (even though I felt like she basically picked our state out of a hat), but if Obama loses this election I will make it my personal mission to make sure she does not receive the Democratic nomination for either the Presidency or her current Senate spot in 2012.
- jaznova, on 04/16/2008, -0/+12Dugg for looking like Yoda.
- cheekybastard, on 04/16/2008, -0/+6Yoda is being nice, she'll probably look more like an older Senator Palpatine.
- juanchopanza, on 04/16/2008, -2/+0You've got that kind of power??? Why don't you ensure she gets the blame for 12/21/12.
  - Gabberwok, on 04/16/2008, -0/+2Any constituent has that kind of power. It just requires determination and organization.
killbert24, on 04/16/2008, -14/+4Alright, I like Obama but I don't think Clinton REALLY wants McCain to win instead of Obama. In the end I think she knows that Obama is more in line with her political stances than McCain. She just seems to hate Obama now because she has to if she wants to get to the general election. After she acknowledges a loss to Obama she will be quoted as saying he is a good candidate.
- jonohull, on 04/16/2008, -0/+8I don't think she cares about or even HAS any solid political stance, and certainly doesn't care about changing it for votes.
- smacksaw, on 04/16/2008, -0/+8I might believe that if I didn't know anything about her.
- boot20, on 04/16/2008, -0/+10HAHAHHAHAHHA....Oh, you were serious.
RandoTheKing, on 04/16/2008, -2/+13Clinton would prefer which ever one helps her win.
partner500, on 04/16/2008, -15/+0http://www.earthhourblog.blogspot.com support democracy
KRNpro, on 04/16/2008, -5/+18That BITCH!
stutimandal, on 04/16/2008, -5/+7I hope that one vote by Hillary does not makes a difference. What he will do in the future is unknown right now, but I love the intellectual capacity, educational background, and wit of Obama.
- klasikahl, on 04/16/2008, -0/+4What do you mean by "that one vote by Hillary"? By saying "that one vote," I must assume that you're referring to her authorization of the Iraq war. If that is indeed what you are referring to then I am absolutely perplexed at how that should not make a difference. I would think that she should be judged primarily on her decision making ability, especially when said decision involves invading a sovereign country. I would also think that the decision should be taken into an even greater account considering that the particular war in question has been a driving force, if not the driving force, responsible for the horrific state of our country in nearly all aspects, ranging from rapidly vanishing civil rights, a crumbling economy, corrupt defense contracts, to shamefully underfunding our public schools.
  
  Surely you cannot be serious that you actually think "that one vote" should not make a difference? Do you not believe that the Iraq war has had a vast and detrimental impact on our nation?
brandonchicago, on 04/16/2008, -1/+22You don't think Hillary is out to have Obama lose the White House bid in November? Look at the race 4 years ago. I didn't see her helping Kerry too much in the 2004 election. In fact, isn't he now supporting Obama? Hmmm...I wonder why that is...? Just a theory, but when all the pieces begin to fit you have to start asking questions.
- SteveIsTheDude, on 04/16/2008, -0/+4Your spot on. And Richardson leaving the camp, after working with the Clintons, also? It is starting to look like she is actually a nasty, unappealing person "once you get to know her" and this video has really helped me to get to know her...
smacksaw, on 04/16/2008, -1/+16Speaking of lesser of two evils...Hillary keeps making my McCain choice for me and many people by this sort of thing. If I can't have Obama, it sure as hell ain't gonna be Hillary. At least if I take McCain now I can have Obama in 2012.
- SteveIsTheDude, on 04/16/2008, -0/+6Obama is only giving you this one chance... He has stated, due to family concerns... 08 or never...
  - smacksaw, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5Really? I hadn't heard that. I can certainly understand why, though. I still worry for his safety. The people that don't like Hillary deride her, and she's dangerous. The people who don't like Obama have many in their ranks who outright scare me. These folks are seriously nuts with a predilection for unspeakable acts towards him.
zelig, on 04/16/2008, -0/+7The headline should more accurately read " Would McCain prefer Clinton to Obama in November"? The answer is of course, Clinton.
usgovterrorists, on 04/16/2008, -21/+2What's the difference?
They are both neocons that want endless wars.
They are both neocons with the same agenda.
Do you really think your vote matters?

United States Government are terrorists, war criminals, and horrific liars.

9-11 was an inside job! 9-11 official story was a lie! What happened to building 7?

Depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction!

Play Wall Street like a PONZI SCHEME!
- Wingnut233, on 04/16/2008, -0/+6I highly recommend you check out this site:
  http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm
  - usgovterrorists, on 04/16/2008, -6/+0Truth can be verified, but that nonsense cannot.
    - StarlessKnight, on 04/16/2008, -0/+7http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2873871255 ... 45 minute counter-proposal demonstrating the unlikely possibility the buildings suffered a controlled demolition.
    - usgovterrorists, on 04/16/2008, -5/+0"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"
      "Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."
      "WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"
      "In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"
    - Wingnut233, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5To these claims, I will also use the same source I cited earlier, which refutes each of these claims regarding the destruction of WTC7. If you cannot find a greater authority than an abstract "Truth" to refute these claims, or even come up with a citation for your facts other than the 'Loose Change' documentary, I suggest you find another cause to fight for.
      http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
- Wingnut233, on 04/16/2008, -0/+6You submitted a claim with no backing evidence in your post. I have refuted with a counter-argument with proof. Your only counter-argument to that is an attack against my source, calling it "nonsense". In which case, I must ask that you submit evidence that my source is, in fact "nonsense", for the site uses a very high number of accredited sources (to which I see you have cited none, except for an abstract 'Truth').
  In short, your claims thus far hold no merit.
  - usgovterrorists, on 04/16/2008, -6/+0If you think I have no proof, do something about it.
  - Xondar, on 04/17/2008, -0/+4Don't bother arguing with these nutters. Nothing will convince them that they aren't right; that's the nature of conspiracy theories.
chrissku, on 04/16/2008, -0/+19The more CNN tries to shove Hillary down my throat the more I hate her. Obama has my vote locked up.
provoko, on 04/16/2008, -0/+17That ad was so horrible. Clintons are messed up.
SteveIsTheDude, on 04/16/2008, -0/+7Sullivan hit it right on the head when he said, the commercial is like "a parody of a brutal Rove ad". How can she try to bring down her own parties eventual nominee? It is shocking now to see that she *IS* a monster and she *WOULD* prefer her friend John McCain win over Obama. Obama is a great man and if he does not win in November due to her efforts, efforts from within his own party, Clinton will have ruined her and her husbands legacy just as Ralph Nader ruined his legacy, by helping to elect Bush...
- yacks, on 04/16/2008, -0/+2Ralph Nader didn't make Al Gore lose.. Al Gore made Al Gore lose. Just as Perot didn't make Bush lose to Clinton.. Basic fact is if Al Gore got more vote in Florida he wouldn't have won. He failed to do so.. He lost.. That's of course if you believe the votes in Florida really counted.. but in the end, Al Gore just couldn't beat Bush.
  - Xondar, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Al Gore didn't make Al Gore lose, the Supreme Court made Al Gore lose.
wheezyninja, on 04/16/2008, -1/+18I thought this was a joke ad at first... then I realized it was serious and I laughed even harder.
Indrid, on 04/16/2008, -5/+2Would Clinton Prefer McCain To Obama In The Butt?
brownrecluse888, on 04/16/2008, -12/+3I read this and am amazed....the fact that any of you Obama-Spammers think he has any chance of winning the general election makes me think the Obama-Kool Aid you drank went straight to what tiny spec of a brain you have left.

Us fancy pants Democrats have lost the last 2 general elections....and we lost them to Bush!! So the general election is NOT about who is the smartest candidate, who has the best ideas for the country and on and on. Bush beat Gore, who by most standards was the smartest politician to run for office since the dawn of time...and then Bush beat Kerry, basically because of the Swift Boat Deal. Now think about that for a second. The Karl Rove Machine was able to take a draft dodger like Bush, and somehow manage to make Kerry, who is a war hero seem like the bad guy in Vietnam. Unreal. You Diggidiots constantly bash Bill Clinton, what are you 14 years old? Do you not remember how much better things were in the United States when Bill Clinton was president versus the last 8 years?? The rest of the world looked up to the U.S. and they loved Bill Clinton. Bush has managed to reverse all of that. Clinton inherited a MASSIVE debt and was able to not only reverse all of that but he balanced the budget and set forth some world changing environmental legislation. 8 years of peace and prosperity.

What the general election IS about is getting out the voters. The Republicans are ALWAYS better at that then us Democrats. Once they choose a candidate they get behind them, even if they don't agree with many of there ideas. McCain is the perfect example, most of the far right HATED him initially, but now with the thought of Obama or Clinton as POTUS they are behind him. And thats where us DemoLosers fail. The Obama-Fanatics have so completely alienated all of the Clinton supporters(which is half of the party you simpletons!!) that many many of them will stay home and not even vote. Most educated, seasoned pundits give Clinton only a 10% at best chance of beating Obama which sounds about right. Now imagine that, if she wins the nomination there will be a huge backlash in the Democratic party, essentially handing the election to McCain. So instead of constantly bashing Clinton, you might want to start attempting to bring on board her supporters, for without them McCain is already elected.

So please please please, before you high school drop outs post another Clinton is a {insert a vulgar comment here} post, just maybe, maybe get a grip on how the general election works. If only a tiny fraction of Clinton supporters stay home, you can welcome in another 8 more years of Bush style policies.....
- zephyear, on 04/16/2008, -0/+4":the obama fanatics have so completely alienated all the clinton supporters(which is half the party)
  
  first, no it's not half. if it was this would essentialy be tied instead of obama with nearly a million lead in popular vote and 130 more delegates than her.
  
  second, hillary clinton is the one alienating voters, with ***** like this. not obama, not obama supporters.
  
  stop being so incredibly delusional, polls in the past months have consistently shown obama does better against mccain than hillary, not to mention hillary has probably a lot more ***** on her than obama.
- Knucklecallus, on 04/16/2008, -4/+1If I could favorite a comment, this would be it
- evensong, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5"So please please please, before you high school drop outs post another Clinton..."
  
  Actually... many Obama supporters are college students. Support for Obama in colleges far outnumber Hillary supporters. High school drops out would likely vote Hillary on name recognition alone, as they probably don't pay attention to the issues at all.
  
  I also like how you can assume Clinton would win the presidency, as if all of the Obama supporters would instantly switch to Hillary if she became the nominee. As national polls now suggest, Obama would require much less Hillary voters than Hillary would require Obama voters. FYI, Obama leads nationally by ~10%
- darienphoenix, on 04/16/2008, -0/+4Nice argument, except you should be applying the logic to Clinton, and telling her and her supporters to STFU and let Obama win already.
- unearth, on 04/16/2008, -1/+3It is laughable to claim that Obama supporters are to blame for alienating Clinton supporters. First of all, Clinton supporters don't use the internet, so any arguments here don't even reach them. Secondly, it isn't OUR job to court them for votes. They're ***** democrats, and if they're not going to vote for the democrat this fall, they aren't very good ones. They made up their minds months ago that it was Hillary or nothing, just like Hillary is demonstrating to be her own attitude in this race.
  
  If Hillary wasn't playing dirty and needlessly staying in the race, it would make unifying behind Obama much easier for all parties involved. Until she drops out or loses, I'm going to focus on explaining why she is a piss poor candidate for our highest office, and if someone's feelings get hurt by it, it's their problem.
- youareretarded, on 04/16/2008, -0/+4"Do you not remember how much better things were in the United States when Bill Clinton was president versus the last 8 years?? The rest of the world looked up to the U.S. and they loved Bill Clinton. Bush has managed to reverse all of that. Clinton inherited a MASSIVE debt and was able to not only reverse all of that but he balanced the budget and set forth some world changing environmental legislation. 8 years of peace and prosperity."
  
  This is what I'm afraid of. People who don't do their homework and think Hillary is the same as bill will vote for her simply because they think she will be another Bill Clinton. Unfortunately she wont be, she doesn't have the necessary skills to bring the two parties together to get anything done (some see that as a plus).
  
  I think voting for someone because they like their candidates husband is a horrible way to pick a president. However it seems that that is the reasoning most Hillary supporters use to justify their support for her:(
  - yacks, on 04/16/2008, -0/+2If you think Bill Clinton balanced the budget you're wrong.. he only balanced the budget in books that most politicians want us to see.. But he still did a good job with it, and I liked Bill as President, however I feel that his legacy is being tarnished with Hillary's run for POTUS. I think a lot of it though is payback to Hillary for Monica. But you are right that picking a candidate for who they are married too or what family they are from is a bad way to choose one.. not that their are exceptions or anything because I think RFK might have been better than JFK if he had the chance.
- mr_wej, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5Do you really think the dot com boom had anything what-so-ever to do with Clinton? Capital gains taxes were skyrocketing - OF COURSE we had a balanced budget! What happened towards the end of his presidency? Well the bubble burst - as it was expected to.
  Allow me to point out another fact to you, the world loved Clinton because he had CHARISMA - now, let's ask you a simple question, does Hillary also have his charisma? If your answer is yes then... well... I have no response.
MatTmillBa, on 04/16/2008, -2/+0Check this out: http://bauermill.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/hillary- ...
SillyRabbits, on 04/16/2008, -7/+2Why are Obama supporters so upset when anything unflattering is said about him? This isn't an election for student council. It's for the President of the United States. It's not just going to be handed to someone. If a candidate can't withstand a little criticism (whether it's fair or unfair) they sure as heck aren't ready for the position. The scrutiny on EVERY candidate is only going to intensify between now and election day.
- youareretarded, on 04/16/2008, -0/+4Obama is doing a good job of withstanding criticism, in fact he is doing a great job countering it! The problem. I think, most people have is that they are tired of politics as usual and the "spinning" of words that goes with it, people are becoming wise to the game and are sick of it and are not falling for it (although there is still a good chunk of Americans that still get easily swayed when listening to 20 second sound bites).
  
  All the candidates might be similar but who is actually practicing what they preach?
- yacks, on 04/16/2008, -0/+4I think the problem is that there is a strong belief that none of this should be coming from the democratic candidate who should ideally drop out by now considering it's statistically dim for them to win.. that could be the reason.
  - SillyRabbits, on 04/16/2008, -1/+1I think the problem is that the democrats have divided themselves into two camps and each camp honestly believes the other candidate is fatally flawed for the general election. I have a feeling that both camps are right. I'm a little surprised that Clinton/Obama were the best that the democratic party could come up with.
CrudeDarkness, on 04/16/2008, -1/+4Anyone notice the bitter people in that ad?
- mr_wej, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1Literal LOL!
XiberKernel, on 04/16/2008, -0/+3You don't give attention to children who are acting out, desperately seeking it.
Perhaps if we all just ignore her, and every news article about her, she'll eventually go away.
sagien, on 04/16/2008, -0/+3Hey, why doesn't someone just ask Hillary straight up who she'd prefer in November?
yacks, on 04/16/2008, -0/+2I love how one of those people in that commercial sound as if they are in denial about not clinging to their religion. and personally I feel if anyone got upset with a comment like "people in small towns cling to guns and their religion out of frustration and bitterness..." are actually clinging to their guns and religion out of frustration and bitterness.. and it's really an out of touch idea to believe if a person says people.. that it means everyone.. people != everyone.
pwnzj00, on 04/16/2008, -0/+6Anyone else find it hilarious that on the youtube video found in that post that it had 152,000 viewers and only 2 approved comments, both of which were Pro-Hillary? She is totally out of touch with reality if she thinks she still has a fair chance at gaining the nomination...
sgregory416, on 04/16/2008, -1/+2i tell you right now if she would rather mccain than obama be president than everything i ever though positive of her is thrown out the window.
ashwinmudigonda, on 04/16/2008, -1/+2Can someone tell me when normally PMS starts and what happens then? Just curious. No reason at all.
Chip53, on 04/16/2008, -5/+1I'd rather McCain be president period. We don't need any Socialists in the White House and wartime is no time to be playing "experimental president".
- 223Sniper, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1you are an ignorant tool.... name one good policy that old man has lined up?
Schmapdi, on 04/16/2008, -0/+3I've always liked Andrew Sullivan, I mainly know him from Bill Maher's show. But now that he's finally woken up and ditched the republican shill machine, I really like him.
12DHutch, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1Pity the Democratic Party can't simply disown her. Or how about excommunication?
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