Discover the best of the web!
Learn more about Digg by taking the tour.
WSJ's Peggy Noonan Says it All About Hillary Clinton
online.wsj.com — Clinton's fictions about dodging bullets on the tarmac -- and we have to hope they were lies, because if they weren't, if she thought what she was saying was true, we are in worse trouble than we thought -- either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or . . .
redjacket2- 916 diggs
- digg it
- MarkDykeman, on 03/29/2008, -22/+15I don't know how much I would trust Ms. Noonan, though.
- actorboy, on 03/29/2008, -4/+15How about if you read the article, compare it to the reality and trust your gut. I think you'll find all three in accord.
- Wartyboskfapped, on 03/29/2008, -0/+6His point was that Noonan is an arch Republican of the Reagan ilk and has been thoroughly and completely wrong about almost everything for at least the last 15 years. To see her write something that actually makes sense and reflects reality is rather a 'pinch me' moment.
In any case, this article is rather late to the party. Everyone else has been saying this about Hillary for some time, Noonan just smells blood in the water.- nbanman, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3I disagree with Noonan on almost everything, yet I look forward to her column every week. Why? She's intelligent, an incredible writer, and she's gracious. It's practically a Republican rite of passage to trash Teddy Kennedy, but she's defended him. She disagrees with Barack on everything policy-wise, but she sees the good in him and isn't afraid to write about it (see last week's column).
For that matter, she was the brains behind Reagan's "morning in America." We Democrats could use a little of that optimism, faith and hope for our country. One of the reasons why I support Obama.- Charlotte_Web, on 03/29/2008, -2/+4You mean you actually judge articles based on content rather than on authorship?
That's unheard of on Digg!
- Charlotte_Web, on 03/29/2008, -2/+4You mean you actually judge articles based on content rather than on authorship?
- RGWX, on 03/29/2008, -2/+3You say "Of the Reagan ilk" like its an insult. ;)
- nbanman, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3I disagree with Noonan on almost everything, yet I look forward to her column every week. Why? She's intelligent, an incredible writer, and she's gracious. It's practically a Republican rite of passage to trash Teddy Kennedy, but she's defended him. She disagrees with Barack on everything policy-wise, but she sees the good in him and isn't afraid to write about it (see last week's column).
- lamiaconfitor, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1"Trust you gut!" the cry on the reasonable.
- Charlotte_Web, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2The problem is that his gut tells him not to trust material that didn't originate from like-minded folks.
This is Digg, where we fear the marketplace of ideas.
- Charlotte_Web, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2The problem is that his gut tells him not to trust material that didn't originate from like-minded folks.
- Wartyboskfapped, on 03/29/2008, -0/+6His point was that Noonan is an arch Republican of the Reagan ilk and has been thoroughly and completely wrong about almost everything for at least the last 15 years. To see her write something that actually makes sense and reflects reality is rather a 'pinch me' moment.
- NSResponder, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3Peggy Noonan's not running for office, so whether you trust her is irrelevant. Hillary's been caught telling a bald-faced lie. Do you care?
-jcr - InfamousAtheist, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3I trust her a whole helluva lot more than I trust Mrs. Clinton... although that's not saying much since I don't believe a single word Hillary utters!
- BlacklabelSAR, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1So you are suggesting that Hillary actually WAS under sniper fire? Your comment brought nothing but embarrassment to yourself.
- actorboy, on 03/29/2008, -4/+15How about if you read the article, compare it to the reality and trust your gut. I think you'll find all three in accord.
- Ridgeliner7, on 03/29/2008, -4/+33"I think we've reached a signal point in the campaign. This is the point where, with Hillary Clinton, either you get it or you don't. There's no dodging now. You either understand the problem with her candidacy, or you don't. You either understand who she is, or not. And if you don't, after 16 years of watching Clintonian dramas, you probably never will.
That's what the Bosnia story was about. Her fictions about dodging bullets on the tarmac -- and we have to hope they were lies, because if they weren't, if she thought what she was saying was true, we are in worse trouble than we thought -- either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or revealed in an unforgettable way (videotape! Smiling girl in pigtails offering flowers!) what you feared (that she lies more than is humanly usual, even politically usual).
But either you get it now or you never will. That's the importance of the Bosnia tape."- romistrub, on 03/29/2008, -2/+6It's not necessarily that she lies more than usual... just that she lies like a complete *moron*. Who'd've thunk that there'd be footage of an event like a trip to Bosnia? Hillary would be the worst poker player ever!
The smart politicians -- the ones that people view as trustworthy -- are the ones that are particularly talented at "bending the truth" just enough to suit their needs. - vinnyvenus, on 03/29/2008, -16/+5What about Obama and his connection to Tony Rezko? A possible felon contributing huge sum of money to his campaign and he is still trying to portray his campaign as honest. Talk about different standards for Hillary and OIbama
- staticneuron, on 03/29/2008, -4/+9They don't control the contributions to their campaigns I could donate money an be the biggest gangster in the world. How would either of them know with out a finger being pointed directly at me? The sad part is while clinton just lied to yur face you have to dig up something against obama. I have seen it this entire race. People are trying to throw mud hoping it would stick but your claims are weak and unfounded.
- vinnyvenus, on 03/29/2008, -12/+3Tony Rezko has personal-financial relationship with Obama according to the court documents presented in his indictment. But apprently that doesn't matter, right.
- Drahkar, on 03/29/2008, -1/+5You know whats funny. The people who keep pointing this out but then ignore the fact that Clinton won't let anyone know who is donating to her or check on her numbers. At least Obama is honest enough to show where its all coming from. You may not like like Obama has bought houses from this guy. But one source of issue in donations is not bad considering we have no idea who all is paying lip service to the Clinton Campaign.
- Ridgeliner7, on 03/29/2008, -2/+3In America, one is innocent until convicted. Making a stink about some possible this or that is nuts, and not to mention totally lacking in logic. Hillary, however didn't have a problem taking money from a convicted felon, one on the run and hiding from the law. Oh, yes, I forgot, she had no idea he was running! The Clinton's make their own bad press, and have had a free ride for too long.
- nirav72, on 03/29/2008, -2/+7@vinnyvenus - and you know how many times the clintons have been caught with shady donations?
Here is one example - http://tinyurl.com/2r9kx5
I'm not defending Obama - but he did release all of his tax records. Where are Clinton's tax document? The public has been expecting them for months now.
Come back to the discussion when you have a better claim. - vinnyvenus, on 03/29/2008, -7/+3There is a difference between "Campagion Donation" vs having a personal - financial gain from a possible convicted felon.
From Wikipedia
"The indictment of Rezko on federal charges has drawn attention to his relationship with Illinois Senator Barack Obama, though Obama is not accused of wrongdoing.[8][9] In November 2006, it came to light that in 2005, Obama had purchased his house on the South Side of Chicago for $1,650,000, $300,000 below the asking price, on the same day that Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for the full asking price"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Rezko- nirav72, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Come back when there is a direct tie to Obama being corrupt is proven. Till then, I hear Hillary needs some help.
- vinnyvenus, on 03/29/2008, -12/+3Tony Rezko has personal-financial relationship with Obama according to the court documents presented in his indictment. But apprently that doesn't matter, right.
- Heembo, on 03/29/2008, -2/+3Ronald Regan took money from the "Log Cabin Republicans" the male homosexual wing of the republican party. It goes both ways (no pun intended).
- staticneuron, on 03/29/2008, -4/+9They don't control the contributions to their campaigns I could donate money an be the biggest gangster in the world. How would either of them know with out a finger being pointed directly at me? The sad part is while clinton just lied to yur face you have to dig up something against obama. I have seen it this entire race. People are trying to throw mud hoping it would stick but your claims are weak and unfounded.
- XopherMV, on 03/29/2008, -3/+16The Bosnia lie was the second in a month. Don't forget that Clinton also lied about her original support for NAFTA, saying she never supported it when personal experience and the facts demonstrate that she always supported NAFTA up until the recent past.
I am a Democrat. For the first time in 16 years, I now see Hillary Clinton as most Republicans have always seen her. She is dirty. She is an opportunist and serial liar. She will literally promise you anything to get into office. You can not believe a word she says.
Hillary is literally ripping the Democratic party apart all for her own ego. Hillary is taking the Tonya Harding option: if she can't get the gold, then no one on her team will get the gold. Hillary needs to step down for the good of the party and the good of the nation. - Caveman82, on 03/29/2008, -8/+1"either you get it or you don't (insert nothing substantive here, rinse, repeat)"
It's interesting that repeating a trite platitude (e.g. "change" or "yes we can")ad nauseum causes the majority (usually uninformed) to actually agree with the sentiment of the statement. It's like a highschool girl putting out when she hears sweet nothings from the air head jock.- Qness, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1Yup....you don't get it! Neither does Hillary. She just keeps on doing what she does to keep her very strong ego in place, even when it includes bald faced lies. Obviously this is becoming more and more apparent to many people. When it's not seen or folks don't get it, I consider these folks to be just similar to Hillary--ego at all costs! If they could see it they would!
- orangedude, on 03/29/2008, -0/+5Either you get it, or you're just plain ignorant about politics or you are voting on the basis of gender, race or name. Not surprising how many of these people there are since G.W.Bush did get elected into office twice.
- thailand1972, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Why is the bar set so low when it comes to judging politicians? I mean, why do we accept such inept behaviour for months, then suddenly we must be "getting it" by now. I got it months back about Hilary, and I don't consider myself all that an astute judge of character (I married a nutter in my past). I'm glad this is all being written, and I agree with the article writer's words - just cmon people you had to get it months back about Hilary being a total nutbar. The Dem's could have had another decent candidate alongside Obama, but they totally wasted the spot by giving it to Hilary who is now doing her utmost to ruin the Dem's chances in the election.
- aboutlogin, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1suppose for a second that hillary and obama are on the same side. suppose for a second that her love for this country goes beyond her political ambition and that her goal now, is to get as much of this country as possible to rally behind obama in the general election and come together to heal this country and make it great again. she has supporters and access to certain sections of the voting public that still have trouble voting for obama, how can she get those people to fall in behind the obama campaign? how can she script the story of her candidacy so they can see *for themselves* that obama is the better candidate to lead this country. what can she consistently do to keep making obama look good. rather than merely stepping down, how does she help make the decision to support and vote for obama in the general election and the realization of the superiority of his candidacy, a personal and emotional one for those of her supporters that are not already sympathetic to the obama campaign? how does she make sure it is their individual gut-level decision (and thus most likely to stick) and not hers? part of the answer is what you see her doing right now, allowing her character to be destroyed and allowing herself to be sacrificed. maybe she is indeed a true patriot. this is not for the benefit of the many people that already dislike her, but for those that still harbor the hope that her candidacy may succeed. those are the people obama still needs on his side to win the general election. we can't simply assume all democrats will vote for obama in the general election, that would be naive. obama is different. fact. from the events of the last few weeks it is clear that navigating the issue of obama's race will require special care with some important sections of the voting public. in order for the obama story to succeed, the hillary story must be destroyed, not on paper but in the hearts and minds of her strongest supporters and especially those still harbor some unspoken resistance to putting a candidate like obama in the white house. it is interesting how this has all happened without the obama campaign really having to go negative because the hillary story mustn't be destroyed by obama, for that would engender resentment. the hillary story must be destroyed by only person that really can. hillary rodham clinton.
- romistrub, on 03/29/2008, -2/+6It's not necessarily that she lies more than usual... just that she lies like a complete *moron*. Who'd've thunk that there'd be footage of an event like a trip to Bosnia? Hillary would be the worst poker player ever!
- sharpfork, on 03/29/2008, -6/+38Hilary has shown her true colors in this campaign- she showed how she could blow a huge starting lead (
20 points nationally) with horrible management of a campaign and blind following of a hand picked group or managers that rival's Bush's stupidity in Iraq. When she fell behind in the race, she started the Kitchen Sink®™ thuggery on a fellow Democrat pulling directly from the Karl Rove Playbook of Dirty Politics. She is slowly killing her own chances for the nomination while chipping away at Obama and building up McCain. Time for her to drop out or for super delegates to step up and put and end to this by supporting Obama in mass.- LuxFX, on 03/29/2008, -1/+5I don't see why nobody pointed out to her that if she needed to throw the kitchen sink at Obama, it was because her policies and character weren't good enough. She as good as admitted defeat then.
- NSResponder, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2" She is slowly killing her own chances for the nomination "
Slowly?
-jcr
- dBass, on 03/29/2008, -5/+41I don't know who scars me more, HRC or her delusional supporters.
- chilipeppers4u, on 03/29/2008, -4/+2Billary scares me more
http://revistapeinate.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/ ...
- chilipeppers4u, on 03/29/2008, -4/+2Billary scares me more
- Dysarthria, on 03/29/2008, -9/+20Peggy Noonan = one of the best opinion writers today, and is pretty hot for an older lady.
- joshua5, on 03/29/2008, -4/+9oh go on about yourself like you knew who Peggy Noonan was before you read this story
- Dysarthria, on 03/29/2008, -1/+8OK, sure.
I first heard her interviewed sometime around 1990, when she was a guest Larry King's old radio show on the Mutual network. I particularly remember two things about the interview. First, that the first time she ever saw Ronald Regan, she saw his foot and (to paraphrase) "fell in love with it" (she was one of his top speech writers, and I think she wrote the "touch the face of God" line from the Challenger disaster). She also described how when she worked with Dan Rather, they respected each other's political differences (I think she said Rather called her jokingly a "dance with the Annenbergs" conservative) and were a great team. Also, if you hear her speak, she has particularly rich speaking voice - really. She could read for "books on tape" or something.
I think she's been writing for the WSJ's editorial page for years now, Friday's only.
Can you say pwned?- oxala75, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1seriously. it's not like Peggy Noonan is some obscure scribe or something.
now about her being hot, i must respectfully disagree (though i will admit that she is put together well for someone her age).- Dysarthria, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Reasonable people disagree on these matters; but she' pushing 60 now. When she was 40 she was a legitimate hottie.
- oxala75, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1seriously. it's not like Peggy Noonan is some obscure scribe or something.
- Dysarthria, on 03/29/2008, -1/+8OK, sure.
- joshua5, on 03/29/2008, -4/+9oh go on about yourself like you knew who Peggy Noonan was before you read this story
- grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, on 03/29/2008, -6/+11With the 20/20 hindsight and foresight afforded by the Internet, IMO it would be refreshing to see Obama in the WH, otherwise the results would seemingly reinforce the post-Reagan impression that the President is required to be a sociopath.
- LuxFX, on 03/29/2008, -0/+4Kurt Vonnegut said, "There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don’t know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president." I'm hopeful that Obama will buck that trend.
- Stevanoski, on 03/29/2008, -7/+8She is definitely unbalanced, but if she wins the Supers, the Dem.s will blindly follow and vote for her, I almost feel sorry for them, but am more concerned for my country.
- pauleric, on 03/29/2008, -4/+14I disagree. Obama is the first black guy ever to have a credible shot at being President, and if the super delegates overturn the popular vote there will be riots in the streets. And no, I don't mean "heh heh, those stupid black people always rioting", I mean massive protests (justified IMO), and anytime you get massive numbers of ***** off people milling around, there will be riots eventually (regardless of race). There are always a few jerks.
Of course, even if Hillary doesn't win, she'll do her best to sabotage Obama so she can try again in 4 years. So, all in all I'm feeling better about Republican's chances this fall (just had to throw that in there to keep people from digging me up, heh).- RRJackson, on 03/29/2008, -3/+4Wow. Protesters. Man, I don't know how we'll get through another protest. Oh my.
Personally, I can't wait to see the police beating the hell out of rioting Obama supporters in Denver. I'll carry that footage around on my iPod for years...- RRJackson, on 03/29/2008, -0/+4BTW, I'm not suggesting you go to Denver, but if I felt a swelling of righteous indignation over events surrounding my candidate I'd want to be there. And I think it might be a really nice idea if everyone from Digg gets tee-shirts with the Digg logo and their screen name. That way it will be easier to determine who gets stomped in the most creative ways. "Look how fast he tries to crawl away, but you can't outrun that taser! Now watch! Four more cops show up and just start swinging wildly! Oh, the humanity..."
- RRJackson, on 03/29/2008, -3/+4Wow. Protesters. Man, I don't know how we'll get through another protest. Oh my.
- pauleric, on 03/29/2008, -4/+14I disagree. Obama is the first black guy ever to have a credible shot at being President, and if the super delegates overturn the popular vote there will be riots in the streets. And no, I don't mean "heh heh, those stupid black people always rioting", I mean massive protests (justified IMO), and anytime you get massive numbers of ***** off people milling around, there will be riots eventually (regardless of race). There are always a few jerks.
- delmar14, on 03/29/2008, -2/+4Great article but it was on digg earlier today.
- GhostWithToast, on 03/29/2008, -1/+21The bullets she should have dodged were the ones aimed at her foot.
- 1gunners4, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1zing!
- blackula01, on 03/29/2008, -3/+8Hillary who?
- asskicker32, on 03/29/2008, -6/+4This article was JUST on hte front page about two hours ago...
- solidcube, on 03/29/2008, -5/+6Oh, so now we're giving column space to Reaganites. Nice. Clinton should step down, but enough is enough of party-internal knifefighting.
- cavsct94, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1No doubt nothing should disturb the political purity of the Digg community.
- BabushkaBlue, on 03/29/2008, -4/+10She slipped from shrill to delusional right before my eyes. Somebody has to convince her to stop, for the love of God, please STOP!
- p51d007, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3no no no......I don't want her to stop. Let her keep on......then, by November, she will be FINISHED except for the idiots in NY who keep her in the senate.
- emotecontrol, on 03/29/2008, -3/+4http://digg.com/political_opinion/WSJ_com_Opinion_ ...
Call before you Digg. - digitalArtform, on 03/29/2008, -8/+11Funny how when Reagan did it he was just a good storyteller embellishing.
- byrdgang, on 03/29/2008, -5/+5Provide an example of Reagan saying something even remotely close to what Clinton said about Bosnia or don't say anything. Why don't I make it easier for you...provide any example of Reagan lying straight up like that (don't use Iran Contra...I won't get into it - he wasn't lying).
- passman, on 03/29/2008, -1/+4Reagan was a great actor. No, not on the silver screen but in the biggest role of his life. He read well from his script (which Peggy Noonan sometimes wrote) and improvised when he lost his place. He once gave a speech to Congressional Medal of Honor winners in 1983 and told a story of a pilot who refused to bail out of his plane and abandon his wounded gunner. Great story. Except it happened in a movie instead of real life. But hey, he was the great communicator so let's not let facts get in the way! This is just one example of Reagan lying...oh I'm sorry, embellishing a story. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/200406 ...
- digitalArtform, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2 "In England, if a criminal carried a gun, even though he didn't use it, he was tried for first-degree murder and hung if he was found guilty," Ronald Reagan claimed in April 1982. When informed that the story was "just not true," White House spokesman Larry Speakes said, "Well, it's a good story, though. It made the point, didn't it?" Reagan repeated the story again on March 21, 1986 during an interview with The New York Times.
In November 1983, Reagan told visiting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir that he had served as a photographer in a U.S. Army unit assigned to film Nazi death camps. He repeated the story to Simon Wiesenthal the following February. Reagan never visited or filmed a concentration camp; he spent World War II in Hollywood, making training films with the First Motion Picture Unit of the Army Air Corps.
- digitalArtform, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2 "In England, if a criminal carried a gun, even though he didn't use it, he was tried for first-degree murder and hung if he was found guilty," Ronald Reagan claimed in April 1982. When informed that the story was "just not true," White House spokesman Larry Speakes said, "Well, it's a good story, though. It made the point, didn't it?" Reagan repeated the story again on March 21, 1986 during an interview with The New York Times.
- digitalArtform, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3Reagan lies are easy to supply. He did it all the time. Google 'welfare queen' - that was one he told repeatedly.
The term "welfare queen" is most often associated with Ronald Reagan who brought the idea to a national audience. During his 1976 presidential campaign, he would often tell the story of a woman from Chicago's South Side who was arrested for welfare fraud:
"She has 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards and is collecting veteran's benefits on four non-existing deceased husbands. And she is collecting Social Security on her cards. She's got Medicaid, getting food stamps, and she is collecting welfare under each of her names."[4]
Despite claims that the woman never existed,[5][6] the story seems to have been drawn from newspaper reports at the time. In 1976, the New York Times reported that a woman from Chicago was charged with using 4 aliases and of cheating the government out of $8,000. She again appeared as the investigation of her case by the Illinois Attorney General continued.[7] She was ultimately found guilty of "welfare fraud and perjury" in the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen
- passman, on 03/29/2008, -1/+4Reagan was a great actor. No, not on the silver screen but in the biggest role of his life. He read well from his script (which Peggy Noonan sometimes wrote) and improvised when he lost his place. He once gave a speech to Congressional Medal of Honor winners in 1983 and told a story of a pilot who refused to bail out of his plane and abandon his wounded gunner. Great story. Except it happened in a movie instead of real life. But hey, he was the great communicator so let's not let facts get in the way! This is just one example of Reagan lying...oh I'm sorry, embellishing a story. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/200406 ...
- byrdgang, on 03/29/2008, -5/+5Provide an example of Reagan saying something even remotely close to what Clinton said about Bosnia or don't say anything. Why don't I make it easier for you...provide any example of Reagan lying straight up like that (don't use Iran Contra...I won't get into it - he wasn't lying).
- liftedmedia, on 03/29/2008, -1/+4Every journalist is having a year-long field day on this whole election. "It's like it writes itself".
Its better then TV shows... - Cattywampus, on 03/29/2008, -2/+2This same article was already posted earlier today.
- lndmn01, on 03/29/2008, -14/+11I love how when Hillary lies everyone on digg jumps right on it, but when Obama lies it's ignored (He says he wasn't at church during "those" sermons, he now says he would of left if the pastor had stayed, of course this is after he had been going for 20 years.). I think it's great to call politicians on their lies but everyone should be treated equally...
- solidcube, on 03/29/2008, -2/+4I think he meant that he would have quit going to that church if Wright had stayed. But point taken otherwise. She's done now though.
- BurningSky, on 03/29/2008, -5/+4Clinton can stop now plz...
- joshua5, on 03/29/2008, -2/+18Dug for the Wag the Dog reference, and this:
What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: "Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy." Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. "She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself." Then she turned to his wounds. "She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood."- bubba9999, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1I figured that was all made up until I saw the part about the suicide bomber suffering because of Dubya.
- jabela, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1I laughed out loud at that... But if she thought she'd get away with it, she'd have said it....
- ZeroIce, on 03/29/2008, -3/+4I am tired of this Clinton articles. So, after becoming bored while reading this, I started to wonder how funny Hillary would look bald? Lawlz? Or Epic Failure?
- donsnyc, on 03/29/2008, -1/+5One of the few times I am in agreement with a republican.
- AndrewDB, on 03/29/2008, -1/+3http://digg.com/political_opinion/WSJ_com_Opinion_ ...
It's not even off the front page folks. Come on. - Plantagenet, on 03/29/2008, -0/+4If the democratic party was actually democratic, then the nomination would be decided by voters in the primary elections and the caucuses rather then by the votes of the superdelegates.
- Pherdnut, on 03/29/2008, -4/+6I don't think I've ever wanted to hug an op-ed writer as much as I want to hug Peggy after reading that.
- techweenie, on 03/29/2008, -2/+10I'm no fan of Hillary, but Peggy Noonan helped bring us the worst president in American history. Only the WSJ still cares what she says.
- chall2001, on 03/29/2008, -6/+11Now the Obama supporters are joining with Peggy Noonan?
I hope to god that you guys just don't know who this woman is. To get to the point, she is one of the most hate filled and spiteful human beings I have ever seen. She's one of Regan's old speech writers and has enough acid running through her veins to make most neocons cringe.
So whats next? A Hillary bashing article from the KKK making the front page?
I've had enough of this democratic infighting. The Obama crowd is every bit as responsible for this hate-fest as Hillary's people. Go stew in your anger--- I've been a democrat for my entire adult life but you guys have worn me out. McCain is getting my vote because the Dems (Obama, Clinton, and most of their supporters) have descended into a disgusting mess. Maybe in another 4 years the party will get their collective head back on their shoulders.- TinternAbbot, on 03/29/2008, -4/+5Um, what? Have you read any of her work? I think you may be thinking of Ann Coulter...it's literally wrong to call Peggy Noonan hate-filled and spiteful.
- chall2001, on 03/29/2008, -0/+4You, of course, are entitled to your opinion but she has never wavered from her spite in the many interviews I have seen. Even on a "light" show like "The Daily Show" she came across as mean and petty. Jon did the best he could but she couldn't resist taking the low road.
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -2/+3I think you're just dazzled by her "Thousand Points of Light" and "Kinder Gentler Nation" ***** she has helped the Republicans spew over the years.
- chall2001, on 03/29/2008, -0/+4You, of course, are entitled to your opinion but she has never wavered from her spite in the many interviews I have seen. Even on a "light" show like "The Daily Show" she came across as mean and petty. Jon did the best he could but she couldn't resist taking the low road.
- solidcube, on 03/29/2008, -1/+4Yeah, there's something rather peculiar about this, isn't there? I feel manipulated, and it's not very subtle at all.
- stevebac, on 03/29/2008, -4/+0Yeah, the Democratic party infighting is sickening, but it really isn't reason to go Republican. You should vote Green Party instead.
- NSResponder, on 03/29/2008, -4/+2"The Obama crowd is every bit as responsible for this hate-fest as Hillary's people."
Wow.. You must be a Hillary supporter, because you're lying through your teeth just like she did.
-jcr - bubba9999, on 03/29/2008, -2/+3Smart move, 'cause McCain's really going to make things better. Right?
- oxala75, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2i know, right?
i never understood this "i don't like the way my team is playing, so i'm going to back the other team out of spite." If you believe anything about your avowed party's platform or pilosophy, that kind of decision is stupid. I don't want to discourage anyone from jumping from one party to another, but one should do this if they feel that their current party doesn't represent their stand on issues, not out of short-sighted spite.
if you want to sulk, just stay home on election day -- don't make a mockery of your own integrity.
- oxala75, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2i know, right?
- azpat, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1I don't know man, I mean for example, take George W Bush who in general is pretty much full of it. If I was standing outside with him and he said to me "It's raining" and I was soaking wet, and looked up, and water hit me in the face, and I looked around and saw drops falling from the sky, and there was thunder and lightning crashing, I think I would agree with him.
So yeah, I can agree with Noonan in this one instance because I can see for myself what she is saying.
- TinternAbbot, on 03/29/2008, -4/+5Um, what? Have you read any of her work? I think you may be thinking of Ann Coulter...it's literally wrong to call Peggy Noonan hate-filled and spiteful.
- TinternAbbot, on 03/29/2008, -5/+3This article now appears on the front page TWICE. Whenever I submit a duplicate, I'm told "cool, it's already been submitted." Not only does this user cheat that, but their submission is made popular? WTF DIGG?
- solidcube, on 03/29/2008, -0/+4Well, because it's Attack On Hillary Opus MCXXVIII. That's why. Attacks on Hillary are all broadcast 50 or 60 times. How many articles have been about this stupid thing? Maybe 20 in the last couple of days?
- sovietninja, on 03/29/2008, -5/+5The best part of this article:
FROM THE ARTICLE
What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: "Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy." Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. "She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself." Then she turned to his wounds. "She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood."
EPIC STORYTELLING FTW - sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -2/+9Obama fans swooning at the feet of Peggy Noonan now? Gosh, I wonder what Karl Rove thinks of Hillary? I'll bet you'll find a friend in him too!
- Pherdnut, on 03/29/2008, -1/+7Did you miss the interview where Karl Rove was practically fawning over Hillary? How about the fact that Rupert Murdoch is a huge donor? Look it up. I'm not making this crap up.
- cyrusfx808, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2still you have to wonder how much of this is really getting through to the American population in large. there's much to be learned from the whole Ron Paul incident, in that a sure bet on Digg is no greater than a sure bet on the lotto. does anybody care that Hillary's a huge liar and is friends with other huge liars? at least George Bush kinda told us he was gonna ***** things up.
- klick37, on 03/29/2008, -5/+4Peggy Noonan is a horrifying ideologue.
- byrdgang, on 03/29/2008, -2/+6sudo killall Hillary Clinton
- RRJackson, on 03/29/2008, -6/+5"Hillary exaggerated when she recounted a trip! That's much more important than the 20 years Obama's been supporting a minister who prints antisemitic material from Hamas in his church bulletin and supports Louis Farrakhan! You don't need to see Obama's identification! These aren't the 'droids you're looking for. Obama can go about his business. Move along."
- digitalArtform, on 03/29/2008, -1/+6 "In England, if a criminal carried a gun, even though he didn't use it, he was tried for first-degree murder and hung if he was found guilty," Ronald Reagan claimed in April 1982. When informed that the story was "just not true," White House spokesman Larry Speakes said, "Well, it's a good story, though. It made the point, didn't it?" Reagan repeated the story again on March 21, 1986 during an interview with The New York Times.
In November 1983, Reagan told visiting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir that he had served as a photographer in a U.S. Army unit assigned to film Nazi death camps. He repeated the story to Simon Wiesenthal the following February. Reagan never visited or filmed a concentration camp; he spent World War II in Hollywood, making training films with the First Motion Picture Unit of the Army Air Corps.
Over a period of about five years, Reagan told the story of the "Chicago welfare queen" who had 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards, and collected benefits for "four nonexisting deceased husbands," bilking the government out of "over $150,000." The real welfare recipient to whom Reagan referred was actually convicted for using two different aliases to collect $8,000. Reagan continued to use his version of the story even after the press pointed out the actual facts of the case to him.
"We did not--repeat, did not--trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we," Reagan proclaimed in November 1986. Four months later, on March 4, 1987, Reagan admitted in a televised national address, "A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not."- naughtyboy, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1This explains it all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan#Alzheim ...- Ridgeliner7, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Pretty ***** and vile comment. Exactly what Obama is preaching against. Stop with the hate. Reagan is dead, and not running in this election. Neither is Bush.
- saska, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Alzheimer's Disease doesn't make you lie, it makes you forget where you are, who you are, what year it is, and where you woke up in the morning, and you look around the room trying to get clues from the surroundings to determine how you should behave in that situation.
It is a lonely, horrifying existence. It's not a joke.
- saska, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1digitalArtform, that was WAY too subtle.
Only those of us who remember Peggy Noonan as Reagan's speechwriter get the point you're making. - mnocket, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Oh, I get your point. I now agree that Hillary's lying is acceptable.
- naughtyboy, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1This explains it all.
- Shady77, on 03/29/2008, -1/+6Hillary, please quit. We're all getting tired of seeing your damn face on Digg 10 times a day, and reading about how you can't possibly win but you still don't get it. We get it. We all get it. Wake up and go away.
- solidcube, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1No *****. I don't like Hillary much, never did. But I am getting tired of the anti-hillary slashfest and I wish Hillary would just go away so I don't have to watch anymore. It really is starting to make me wonder if she's trying to throw the election for Mccain the way Kerry threw it for Bush in 04.
- Neverclear, on 03/29/2008, -2/+4I've been a registered Democrat for 10 years. Every year I've been allowed to vote, and have voted in 6 different states for everything from governor, to state house, to Senate, to house Rep, to President... my vote often not counting because I was a Democrat in Republican states that have been that way since the 50s.
I would vote McCaine over her. If that bitch wins the nomination for the first time in my life I'll vote Republican because the Democratic party no longer represents my interests or at least tries to be the good guy... or 'lesser than that evil' guy. The Democrats have always connected with me as viable, within the system, and hopeful to a good future of the United States (both social and international) that Republicans never could get.
For the first time in my voting life Hillary vs. McCaine... the Republican would be the lesser of the two evils.- Ridgeliner7, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1Exactly my thinking, Never. I would really have to think long and hard even if she were running against Bush.
- bebouchard, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1100 yeas in Iraq? "Bomb, bomb Iran?" A president who is not only figuratively, but possibly actually in bed with lobbyists? One who doesn't understand the middle-east enough to even be able to tell the Sunnis from the Shiites? Please tell me you're not serious.
- solidcube, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Hillary is personally repugnant and I think she would make a horrible president, but I would vote for Ed Gein rather than ANY republican, period, ever. You need to revise your thinking, Neverclear. Your "Annoying vs Evil" tricorder is miscalibrated.
- jimbo92107, on 03/29/2008, -5/+1Can't we all just agree that Peggy Noonan is tired old whore, and if Ronald Reagan clambered out of his grave as a zombie, Noonan would offer her brain and her withered womanhood for his grim carnival knowledge?
- Ridgeliner7, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2Pretty ***** and vile comment. Exactly what Obama is preaching against. Stop with the hate. Reagan is dead, and not running in this election. Neither is Bush.
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Well isn't that precious Ridgeliner. But aren't you the guy who wrote:
"Too bad Vince Foster had a conscience and killed himself after learning how horrible Hillary actually was.....far more of a monster than even he could have imagined..."
Were you sitting in that car with him? You fraud.
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1Well isn't that precious Ridgeliner. But aren't you the guy who wrote:
- sixspeed, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1I have to admit, I chuckled at that. BTW, it's "Carnal" knowledge.
- Ridgeliner7, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2Pretty ***** and vile comment. Exactly what Obama is preaching against. Stop with the hate. Reagan is dead, and not running in this election. Neither is Bush.
- Iconoclast25, on 03/29/2008, -7/+4It sure must suck to be a liberal - here you must choose between a pathologically lying old whore and a desperately lying empty suit with all manner of ties to black supremacists and anti-Semites. No, I'm not offering sympathy; I'm loving it.
- uncutnyc, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2This goes beyond liberal vs conservative ideology, and beyond whether or not you agree with her on specific policies. The question is whether Mrs. Clinton is delusional, whether she is mentally sound.
- serenity450, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1Noonan summed it up perfectly. God, I wish I could write like that.
- powerfullogic, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1This whole first women president thing has been amusing but the show's over. There's socks to be washed, and cooking to be done now.
- odinfire, on 03/29/2008, -6/+2People are just freakin nuts if they think that Obama will win a general election with his ties to a seperatist church in which he will not renounce the pastor, a wife that has only now found she is "proud of America", and a stereotypical attitude against "typical white people'. Way to unite with that remark. FOR GOD'S SAKE... Everyone here would ***** a brick if Hillary made a remark about "typical black people" or "typical jewish people" and yet Obama gets a free pass... Looks to me like Obama's 20 years with Wright as his pastor does show through a bit. The sad thing is Obama supporters are too infatuated to see anything questionable about their messiah. MY MAIN POINT IS... In the general election, Republicans will use the Wright controversy to virtually kill all of Obama's chance. Obama may seem ideal right now, but mark my words... OBAMA WILL NOT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. Period. Its fine that the democratic party likes Obama, and wants to force Clinton out, but the fact of the matter is, the democratic party is essentially ignoring half of their party that supports Clinton. I am one of them. To be completely honest, I will NOT vote for Obama no matter what. There are issues, not related to race I might add, that I just dont like about him. If Clinton is NOT on that ticket one way or the other, as vice president or president, I will absolutely cross party lines and vote for Mccain in the general election.
Perhaps, Obama's supports better shore up their words somewhat against Clinton and her supporters. Trying to win them back in the fall is going to be quite difficult is they keep making Clinton and her suporters out to be complete asses from now until then. Once again, democrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot. Oh well, at least now they can blame it all on Clinton no matter how much they did for the democratic party in the past.
It's interesting how quickly democrats forget the past... Thats where Ralph Nader comes in... as a stark reminder... Nadar... helping begrudged democrats defend against other arrogant begrudged democrats. Ralph Nader for President... I suppose its time for this "typical white person" to reregister as an independent.- junkwheel, on 03/29/2008, -1/+2FAIL
- saska, on 03/29/2008, -0/+4It's really fantastic that so many people are getting involved in politics for the first time because of Obama's campaign.
It's too bad that they're so gullible to the concept that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Peggy Noonan is no friend of the Democrats, it's just that Hillary Clinton is the easy target right now. I keep seeing Obama supporters spreading links to "Hillary: The Movie," which is made by a wingnut outfit to sell for profit, includes several minutes of footage of Ann Coulter, and promises a follow-up "Obama: The Movie" when he becomes the nominee. There's been all kinds of praise for Newt Gingrich lately because he talked about the race issue like a grown-up. And look, I know people have to work across the aisle, but you have to know the difference between friendly adversaries and cunning infiltrators.
As an Obama supporter, this is what worries me the most. Not that people are new to politics, but that they are so trusting of any media that sounds favorable to them. - exomni, on 03/29/2008, -1/+4She's pathetic. It's seriously pathetic. I don't know if I should say she needs help, or she's the scum of humanity, I don't know. All I know is that she's pathetic, and entirely unfit to be commander-in-chief.
- marc54, on 03/29/2008, -0/+3Excellent article, I get it!
- skibob1027, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Wow...I never thought I would see an Peggy Noonan op-ed on the front page of digg!
I'm not complaining...just shocked. Keep it coming! - caponumen, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1She wants it way too much to allow her to have it............
- eagles2k3, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1I can't believe it's taken Democrats this long to figure out Hillary is a piece of *****. Now it's even cool to dump on her from within her own party. Pat yourselves on the back for being so damn late to the game.
- allheavens, on 05/09/2008, -0/+0Saska : The enemy of my enemy is my friend, does not include Peggy Noonan or anyone who is jumping on the Hillary "bashwagon". But enough is enough.
Peggy Noonan's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal was excellent. Just because Noonan is the Spawn of Satan doesn't mean she is not correct in her assessment of Hillary Clinton.
Hillary is behaving like a three-year-old who having not gotten her way is now going to reek havoc on the Democratic Party with little concern for the damage she will do to the party's presidential nominee or herself. And it is MORE than a little scary watching a women slowly implode rather than concede defeat.
Hillary really needs to make a graceful exit and keep what good will she as left with the party power brokers and the electorate. I know some Clinton supporters would rather adhere to this "scorched earth" policy than admit that Obama is the Democratic Presidential nominee. But numbers don't lie and the super delegates are definitely feeling the heat.
© Digg Inc. 2008 —
Content posted by
