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The Ron Paul Censorship Continues. Excluded by Iowans for Tax Relief? WTF
ronpaul2008.typepad.com — Lew Moore, our campaign manager, called Mr. Edward Failor, an officer of Iowans for Tax Relief, to ask about it. To our shock, Mr. Failor told us Dr. Paul was not invited; he was not going to be invited; and he would not be allowed to participate. And when asked why, Mr. Failor refused to explain. The call ended.
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- Rustik, on 10/11/2007, -2/+65I know I'm not a common digger, but I'm not a spammer. I just thought this was important. =[
- RonPaulRevolter, on 10/11/2007, -3/+57Come on diggers, show your support by calling Edward Failure at 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600 and demand that he invites Ron Paul.
- Tesselator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I would suggest e-mailing Mr. Failor. Here's what I wrote after listening to the radio pod cast ( http://media.libsyn.com/media/mickelson/mickelson-2007-06-20.mp3 ) today:
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Dear Edward Failor,
Iowans for Tax Relief
2610 Park Avenue
Muscatine, Iowa 52761
Mr. Failor, I am an Iowan registered voter and state resident. I e-mailed your office a few days ago requesting that your organization invite Ron Paul to speak at the upcoming forum and to kindly "do the right thing". Recently, I listened to a radio show where you Mr. Edward Failor, were a call in and said many untrue and ridiculous things.
The first thing that sticks out to me is that you blamed Ron Paul supporters for hacking your servers. This is especially dumb as you also mentioned another candidate that was "unhappy" when he discovered he wasn't invited either. So why on Earth would you assume the hackers are Ron Paul supporters and not supporters of this other candidate? Something stinks here. The radio host gave the best and proper solution. Just invite the now two, candidates to speak. What do allot? An hour? 90 Minutes? So your schedule would run 2 or 3 hours over the previously scheduled time - that's really not hard to deal with.
The second thing you actually lied about was to claim that the Ron Paul web site was promoting attacks on your personal self by handing out your home phone number. A simple visit to the Ron Paul site show that you were lying - and I get all Ron Paul pages AS THEY ARE MADE - along with sever other candidate's pages. In light of this you owe Ron Paul and official and public apology. Again this really stinks.
The third absurdity is that you say you have offered a reason why Dr. Paul was not invited when in fact you haven't and then had the brass to call the Ron Paul web site writers "liars" when they claimed you indeed had not. Here is the quote from the Dr. Paul site: "Mr. Failor told us Dr. Paul was not invited; he was not going to be invited; and he would not be allowed to participate. And when asked why, Mr. Failor refused to explain. The call ended." Neither that nor the words you offered on the radio show are are reasons why. You explain how this came about but indeed and clearly, not why. You state the decision was made months ago and that's why. No sir, that's when. Not "why". You claim that the decisions were made based on the credibility of the candidate but this is not a reason why - this is "how" the decisions were made. Why, would be to explain why you think Dr. Paul is not credible and therefore not invited. This is NOT a matter of semantics but is common sense logical reasoning. Three stinks, you're out!
There are other matters of concern here that border on prosecutable offenses perpetrated by your conduct concerning this matter and other events that have transpired in recent months. I do not not know what kind of man you are but just by these three simple observations (above) I would say not very honest indeed. Please reconsider your morality and adjust your conduct on this issue and any other issues where it may be called into question.
Thank you,
My Real Name
Iowa voter and resident.
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Feel free to copy, paste, and email this to itr@taxrelief.org if you want but make sure to change the Iowa Voter remark (if you aren't from Iowa) and fill in your own name.
And don't hack his site guys! Or call his home phone. Come on.. that stinks as much or more than what he's trying to pull. Don't stoop to his level.- mickrussom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Edward Failor is a dangerous traitor and guilty of Treason. He needs to be put into a pillory. He pisses me off to no end. RON PAUL!
- Tesselator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I would suggest e-mailing Mr. Failor. Here's what I wrote after listening to the radio pod cast ( http://media.libsyn.com/media/mickelson/mickelson-2007-06-20.mp3 ) today:
- sockpuppets, on 10/11/2007, -1/+32Edward Failor. He had no choice, he was destined to fail.
- SwordOfShannara, on 10/11/2007, -0/+37I called and emailed. I was able to leave a message. We need to organize a protest at the event. Everyone who attends needs to know these organizations are taking away their right to choice as voters. AND when they find out Ron Paul wants to eliminate the IRS and wasn't included at an event discussing taxes.. you might just end up with two member less and soon to be bankrupt organizations. btw I made a cool Ron Paul wallpaper if you like- http://www.freemp3mail.com/RonPaulBlimp.cfm
- Larofeticus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+37I normally don't like the "Ron Paul Spam" on digg, even though I support him. But this is an extreme case.
An organization having a political event, but excluding a completely valid candidate without giving reason or having reason to is completely unacceptable.
They are even including candidates which poll lower than him, and have raised less money. And ron pauls views more closely align with both a lower taxes organization and a christian organization.
Even if you are a person who doesn't support ron paul, this is obviously wrong; he should be given a chance to voice his opinion (whether you agree with him or not) and let his ideas stand or fail by their own merit in open forum. Political censorship is wrong. - dmjarrington, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19Ed Failor's voice-mail is full... Steve Sheffler's phone was busy... That didn't take long!!
- gmason08, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27The reason it has so many DIGGS and has yet to go popular is that it has been buried.
This is very important to many people, I recommend someone resubmit the article without putting Ron Paul in the title or description or it will be buried again by the antiRP bury brigade. A title like: Control Matrix Strikes again or something similar be used. I would do it myself but I am already pegged on Digg. If someone does resubmit link it here so it can go popular before the anti's know what is happening. - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Taxpayer_s_Best_Friend_excluded_from_Tax_Relief_Forum_in_Iowa
I submitted the story without using Ron Paul's name.
Digg that one and get it to the front page! - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Taxpayer_s_Best_Friend_excluded_from_Tax_Relief_Forum_in_Iowa
I submitted the story without using Ron Paul's name.
Digg that one and get it to the front page! - gmason08, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Thanks brightmidnight, Dugg and commented.
Now everyone get over to brightmidnight's submission as quick as possible or that one will be buried too. - thefat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12The federal reserve is on digg burying your articles about Ron Paul, digg is no better than Fox News now... This is censorship of a presidential candidate...
- jwaddell, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Aha!
"The Chairman of Iowans for Tax Relief, Ed Failor, is a Senior Advisor to the McCain Campaign in Iowa. Everyone calling him should be aware of that.
563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600; Fax 563-264-2413; e-mail"
http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/013625.html - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3One caveat:
It's Ed Failor JR!
http://ronpaul2008nyc.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/followup-ron-paul-excluded-in-iowa/
The man I talked to last night (phone number linked by someone below, probably home number, didn't realize it when I called at the time) was probably this man's father.
So, do not call the man's dad, that's not going to get us anywhere and his dad didn't do this. - mikey90210, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Both Ed Failor Jr and Sr work for the same group.
Q.E.D. they are both people that can be legitimately contacted. - SwordOfShannara, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3It's time to leave digg and start promoting another site. Screw digg.
- errorjustin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Iowa papers listed in order of size/importance:
Des Moines Register:
Letters to the editor e-mail: letters@dmreg.com
Telephone switchboard
Local: (515) 284-8000
Iowa: (800) 532-1455
Outside Iowa: (800) 247-5346
Cedar Rapids Gazette:
Mark Bowden Editor (319) 398-5869
Dan Geiser Managing Editor (319) 398-8264
Diana Nollen Community Editor (319) 398-8272
Jeff Tecklenburg Opinion Page Editor (319) 398-8262
Iowa City Press Citizen
opinion@press-citizen.com
newsroom@press-citizen.com
Dubuque Telegraph Herald
563-588-5611
800-553-4801
Executive Editor
Brian Cooper 563-588-5662 bcooper@wcinet.com
Mary Rae Bragg (563) 588-5677 Political Reporter mbragg@wcinet.com
There's also many many more iowa papers, but as an iowan, these are the "big ones." Here's a full list:
http://www.usnpl.com/ianews.php
Let's turn this into a WIN for Dr. Paul! Let's get the press involved! - DrooliusSneezer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Yeah, "Iowans for Tax Relief" being complicit in excluding a Congressman who has gotten National Taxpayers Unions 'A' rating every single year he's been in Congress?
I wrote and gave 'em a piece of my mind over THAT hypocrisy. - Tesselator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2No one normal is a "common digger". You did the right thing and are using the site just as it was intended. Thank you.
- RonPaulRevolter, on 10/11/2007, -3/+57Come on diggers, show your support by calling Edward Failure at 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600 and demand that he invites Ron Paul.
- mrdeadlier, on 10/11/2007, -1/+36This dude's my hero. Such a refreshing change from the typical Presidential candidate, obviously not refreshing enough for the ITR and ICA.
- conley, on 10/11/2007, -1/+42just got the email from the campaign, this is absurd given that Ron Paul has never voted for a tax increase.
- guntherg16, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15My thought exactly, never voted for a tax increase so they don't invite him. It makes no sense.
- Pontifex, on 10/11/2007, -1/+31Saul Anuzis, chair of the Michigan GOP, tried to bar Ron Paul from future presidential debates recently, but was forced to recant after a torrent of public outrage.
It seems a little strange that an organization called "Iowans for Tax Relief" would bar, without comment, the one candidate who has never voted for a tax increase.
Perhaps Diggers would like to share their concerns with Edward Failor and Iowans for Tax Relief directly using their publicly available contact information:
Edward Failor
Iowans for Tax Relief
Phone: 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600
Fax: 563-264-2413- conley, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27just got off the phone with someone from their office. surprising Mr. Failor and all other people who would know anything about the invitations are gone for the day. I asked for an answer about why Ron Paul wasn't invited and was told the message was going to be passed on. But, they didn't ask for a contact number so I made sure to leave one for the secretary and was told I 'may' hear back by Monday.
This is nothing short of pathetic. - elebrio, on 10/11/2007, -59/+2Your candidate isn't a Republican. He's a Libertarian who sided with Republicans on procedural votes to get on a committee. Why should Republicans give a damn? I sure as hell don't. I am opposed to taxes as they come but since Paulies advocate a return to the gold standard and abolishing the fed I can't support the guy.
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+28He is a constitutionalist, as they are all meant to be. Not all republicans are neocons.
- Pontifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+24Elebrio, I am a Republican and I more than give a damn. Even if you don't agree with his entire platform, he has served 10 terms in Congress, always voted according to his public principles, and deserves to be heard in any debate on these issues.
Freedom has nothing to fear from the truth. - Anarchrist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20>> It seems a little strange that an organization called "Iowans for Tax Relief" would bar, without comment, the one candidate who has never voted for a tax increase.
- Anarchrist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+24Not sure why my whole comment won't post. Here's another try.
It seems a little strange that an organization called "Iowans for Tax Relief"
would bar, without comment, the one candidate who has never voted for a tax increase.
No stranger than the NRA not opposing all the gun laws on the books. If the gun laws were eliminated then the NRA wouldn't have a reason to exist. If taxes were eliminated there would be no need for the Iowans for Tax Relief and they wouldn't be able to generate any contributions from their followers. - Absinthminded64, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Use the 877 number. I think it's toll free! : )
- lordmetroid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Good point Anarchrist, the lobby organization for cancer research money have in their constitutions that the organization will cease to exist when a cancer treatment is found. Think they will try to get money for real research of just bogus things such as smoking bans?
- LeFou, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Hit them where it might actually hurt. Contact the sponsors, tell them you and everyone you can persuade will be avoiding their products until they make a statement of some kind.
Coldwell Banker Mid America Group, Realtors
FairTax.org
Krishna Engineering Consultants, Inc
Light Expressions by Shaw - jcarrion1976, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Anyone from Muscatine, Iowa? The people below are from "Iowans for Tax Relief". See if you can round up some alternative contact information other than the generic email: itr@taxrelief.org. I would like to send each of them a personal email. Thanks.
**Board of Directors**
Jeffrey A. Bean
Anthony T. Berardi
Jeffrey R. Boeyink
David G. Dickey
Edward D. Failor, Jr.
Edward D. Failor, Sr.
John G. Giblin
Hugh S. Greig
Dean Kleckner
James M. Kurtenbach
Scott D. Newhard
Dr. Donald P. Racheter
Cloyd E. Robinson
Robert H. Solt
David M. Stanley
Jean Leu Stanley
Jane Svoboda
Ray A. Taylor
Peter E. Voorhees
R. Scott Weiser
Herbert A. Wilson
**Staff**
Dean Kleckner - Honorary Chairman
David M. Stanley - Chairman
Robert H. Solt - Vice Chairman
Cloyd E. Robinson - Vice Chairman
Jeffrey R. Boeyink - President
Edward D. Failor, Jr. - Executive Vice President
Edward D. Failor, Sr. - Senior Counsel
Peter E. Voorhees - Finance Chairman
Christopher W. Nichols - Information Services Director
Daniel G. Steele - Creative Services Director
Jamie D. Hopkins - Development Director
Kathleen M. Koberg - Public Relations Director
- conley, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27just got off the phone with someone from their office. surprising Mr. Failor and all other people who would know anything about the invitations are gone for the day. I asked for an answer about why Ron Paul wasn't invited and was told the message was going to be passed on. But, they didn't ask for a contact number so I made sure to leave one for the secretary and was told I 'may' hear back by Monday.
- jarrodhunt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28Ron Paul is the only candidate with a unique message that goes back to the core of what the United States stands for.
"A Constitutional Government" that isn't trying to take over the world, one "justifiable" war at a time.
Why is he being excluded even though he happens to be one of the most popular candidates on the internet? MSNBC had over 100,000 internet votes cast and Ron stood out from the pack as having the most favorable votes and the least unfavorable ones. MSNBC also has some pretty good anti-fraud capabilities. http://www.jarrodhunt.com/ron-paul-dominates-msnbc-debate-polling/
Some say that he is spamming the internet polls. Come-on Really? Isn't it possible that his message happens to be one that the average internet user can appreciate? Have you heard his message?
If not check it out at freeme.tv its good stuff.
Go Ron! - wwallace, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28I dig this issue enough to contact the ITR and ICA. Ron Paul's position on tax is the BEST in the field!
- LeFou, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13As per my note above, they will ignore you. Contact the sponsors
Coldwell Banker Mid America Group, Realtors
FairTax.org
Krishna Engineering Consultants, Inc
Light Expressions by Shaw
- LeFou, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13As per my note above, they will ignore you. Contact the sponsors
- RobRobRob, on 10/11/2007, -1/+49Love him or hate him - you have to admit that Ron Paul is one of the most anti-tax politicians around. Why would an organization called Iowans for Tax Relief not want him? Perhaps Iowans for Tax Relief does not really care so much about lowering taxes.
- Pontifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23I think you've put your finger on it. Likewise, the Iowa Christian Alliance apparently doesn't care much for the Christian values of peace and sanctity of life. If I was a member of these organizations I would be incensed by the bait-and-switch.
- prudy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18Petiton for Ron Paul Iowa Forum Participation
http://www.petitiononline.com/rpwi2008/petition.html - UnFriendlyFire, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@Purdy
There is also another petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?rp063007&1
Please sign both and spread the word!
- jarrodhunt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+30"Washington, DC: Congressman Ron Paul has been recognized as a top advocate for taxpayers in the U.S. Congress for the tenth year in a row, earning the nonpartisan National Taxpayers Union’s annual award as a “Taxpayers’ Friend” for 2006. Only 30 of 435 members in the U.S. House of Representatives earned similar honors last year."
This is an clip from http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2007/pr022107.htm - mdh4ronpaul, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29Phone numbers to contact people at Iowans for Tax Relief...
David M. Stanley, chairman: 563-263-7203
Edward D. Failor, chief counsel: 563-263-3738
These two seem to be the ones in charge.
Steve Scheffler at the Iowa Christian Alliance can be contacted via 515-971-7363
These are in addition to the ones in the OP.- mr.t, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Had a talk with Failor.. give him a call...
- brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12I called Ed Failor and even though my phone is working perfectly, he said, he couldn't hear me multiple times and "I'm a very old person, I have hearing problems, I cannot understand you."
Is that his home phone number?
So, if you call him: warning: speak very slowly and loudly, he seems to have hearing issues.- lulu4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You got Ed's father, also works at ITR
The right number is 563-263-5459
- lulu4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You got Ed's father, also works at ITR
- malklaka2012, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I just left a nice long message for David Stanley, the ITR Chairman, pointing out the conflict of interest with Failor being McCain's campaign advisor, and pointing out Ron Paul's Congressional voting record. I implored him, on behalf of the voters of Iowa, and by corollary, the voters of this country, to invite Ron Paul into the June 30th Forum.
His voice mail is NOT yet full: call him!
(563) 263-7203
or
877-913-3600 Extension #3577
- remaxjon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+32Even if you don't like Paul you have to see this is *****. Digg this story the man belongs there
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17This is going to be funny, and it will backfire for these fake "Tax Relief" people.
- househarkonnen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22LETS SHOW THEM WHAT WE CAN DO...MR. ANUZIS KNOWS..NOW THESE FOOLS WILL KNOW.
Muahhahahahaha
Revolution!- katerick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22LOL. The Christian group's line has been busy for about an hour. The few times it does ring, no one picks up. And the tax folks all went home, leaving a secretary to take angry messages. The best part is that they'll all pretend we're just ten unemployed computer geeks--AND that Dr. Paul's campaign is practicing some sort of martian mind control on us so we all move in lockstep. The existence of a whole lot of angry people just doesn't occur to them. It should.
- Pontifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15They're probably hoping that the storm blows over this afternoon so they can get back to other things tomorrow. I for one will be making sure that they don't, and I know most of you will be joining me.
Failor and Sheffler should have consulted Saul Anuzis before giving Dr. Paul the finger.
- AnObserver, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21Someone is really afraid of something. Cowards. The only way Ron Paul will lose the day is if he is not part of the day. Way to go. Stack the deck. I should take you to Las Vegas. We could play the craps.
- rejoice3j, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20I'm on hold now for Iowans for Tax Relief...hopefully that's because so many others are calling to complain!
- bplv, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18"All circuits are busy"... can't even get a busy signal now.
- FluffyUnbound, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27The obvious problem here is that these groups are being disingenuous in using the names that they do.
If they were concerned about Tax Relief in the least, they'd like Paul well enough.
It's obvious that what's happening here is that some douchebag in these organizations is so militantly pro-war that he no longer cares about Tax Relief.
This is just one more example of the way in which the deep, deep sickness that now pervades the Republican party and the conservative movement has created a situation where the only issue that matters any more is the war [with a side of torture]. Oppose the war, and your other positions don't matter - you're no longer acceptable. Oppose the war, and it doesn't matter if you have the best anti-tax record in the Congress - Iowans for Tax Relief doesn't want you.
Why not just change the name of your organization to Iowans for Arab Genocide and be honest about it?- LinearChaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20I don't think that it is only republicans that are suffering from this deep deep sickness.
I see no candidate on the left besides Kucinich and Gravel willing to change the status quo. Don't be alarmed when Hillary gets into the White House saying one thing then doing something entirely different (against the will of the American people but in the "national interest" e.g. the interests of the war machine, the banks, and the global corporations). Once she gets the power she will probably become consumed by the expanded state and the authoritarian executive powers Bush and his neocons have worked so hard undermining the constitution for.
Pelosi bowing to AIPAC hawks and selling the Democrats up the river after the midterms exposed the establishment's hand. It's too bad for America that the swarms of useful idiots don't pay any attention to politics when making up their mind about who to vote for and think that CFR Obama or Hillary "Police State" Clinton are going to bring anything new to the table or change the status quo. They don't get into those rallies or climb to the top of the ladder because their agendas, regarding entrenched power at least, are fundamentally different.
The only different about the mainstream candidates are the lies they tell when trying to get elected, especially when it comes to wedge issues. - gmason08, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14@FluffyUnbound
Actually, I am afraid both of these organizations, like many, many others are little more than a false trail trap.
People are getting restless about the TAX/Spend and TAX/SPEND more and more scam so toss them a busy box organization to make them think they are doing something for "REFORM".
It is no different with the BIG MEGAPHONE "NEWS" sources for instance, their real purpose has nothing to do with keeping people informed about NEW info, it is to keep peoples heads filled with the info deemed useful to the power structure and to limit access to dangerous truths. - LinearChaos, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Don't be alarmed when Hillary gets into the White House saying one thing then doing something entirely different (against the will of the American people but in the "national interest" e.g. the interests of the war machine, the banks, and the global corporations). Deja Vu, anyone? Sound familiar? The same way that the neocons duped the conservative right with their message of "compassionate conservatism and no nation building" all the while authoring PNAC in their hawkish little think septic tanks. Those who don't pay attention are bound to repeat it. Who though "history" would be 8 years. Another wolf in sheep's clothing.
- teichenauer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I would like to recommend that everybody, especially Ron Paul supporters, do try to avoid name calling here. Digg.com is not South Park. Childish vocabulary use isn't going to change anybodies mind. Many people, myself included, would just as well read digg comments without having to flinch at the language being used.
- LinearChaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20I don't think that it is only republicans that are suffering from this deep deep sickness.
- Bossobass, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17I can't get a direct flight to Des Moines, so I'm planning to fly to Chicago and drive from there to demonstrate in person on June 30.
You have gotta be kidding me, the stones on these jackasses.
[I'm at the window now] "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it any more!"
Bosso- beckweth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4
If you are going to this shindig
RESERVE A SEAT HERE
Yes, Please Reserve a Seat for Me!
Complete the form below or call 1-866-218-4124
http://www.taxrelief.org/presidential_forum.htm
- beckweth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4
- LinearChaos, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Rally the troops. It's clobbering time.
- prudy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18There are several co sponsors
http://www.iowachristian.com/
Sponsored by: Iowa Christian Alliance & Iowans for Tax Relief
Co-Sponsored by: Coldwell Banker Mid America Group, Realtors, FairTax.org,
Krishna Engineering Consultants, Inc, & Light Expressions by Shaw
And lots of planned activities for the candidates. Well for 3 of them anyhow.
http://www.iowachristian.com/meet.htm- katerick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Excellent point.
Americans for Fair Taxation
PO Box 27487
Houston, Texas 77227-7487
Phone: 713-963-9023
Toll-Free: 1-800-FAIRTAX (324-7829)
Fax: 713-963-8403
Politics@fairtax.org - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Hit this forum where it hurts-- the advertisers!
I've had success with this with national TV and radio shows. Call the advertiser and say, I've heard that you're sponsoring this June 30 forum. They'll probably eagerly say "Yes!" Say, "I was considering doing business with you but I will not now because this forum says it's a tax relief forum and it has told my favorite tax-cutting candidate that he's not welcome. I don't think you should support an organization that decides that certain candidates' messages, even if that message is what the organization is all about, just aren't welcome." Perhaps you can say it more eloquently, but enough messages like that and Iowa Tax Relief will be experiencing "Sponsor Relief" as they have to pay for this by themselves.
Lighting Expressions by Shaw
clsmeltzer@shawelec.com
750 Alice's Road
Waukee, IA 50263
Phone: (515) 987-3808
Fax: (515) 987-3812
Coldwell Banker Mid-America Group
Julie Reeves
(515) 224-8810
JReeves@MidAmericaGroup.com
www.coldwellbankermag.com
Americans for Fair Taxation
PO Box 27487
Houston, Texas 77227-7487
Phone: 713-963-9023
Toll-Free: 1-800-FAIRTAX (324-7829)
Fax: 713-963-8403
Politics@fairtax.org
Krishna Engineering Consultant
1454 30th St # 104
West Des Moines, IA 50266
(515) 224-6300 - PontifexRex, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Here is a detailed contact page for Coldwell-Banker Midamerica Realty
http://www.midamericagroup.com/asp/management/mgmt.asp
- katerick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Excellent point.
- scudiac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16This is not surprising. Censorship plain and simple. Here is the contact info to let these people know how you feel:
Edward Failor
Iowans for Tax Relief
2610 Park Avenue
Muscatine, Iowa 52761
Phone: 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600
Fax: 563-264-2413
E-mail: itr@taxrelief.org
Steve Sheffler, President
Iowa Christian Alliance
939 Office Park Road, Suite 115
West Des Moines, Iowa 50265
Phone: 515-225-1515
Fax: 515-225-1826
E-mail: slscheffler@iowachristian.com - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10http://taxrelief.org/about_us.htm
"Iowans for Tax Relief lobbies for reduced state government spending and lower taxes for all Iowans. Lower state taxes bring better jobs and population growth. More people mean a broader tax base and enough money for government to provide services."
So, are they for tax relief, or not!? - shampoovta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23 I am a Dem. but I have read allot of digg stores about Ron Paul and this is BS. Ill help too with my digg!
- househarkonnen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Thanks friend
- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Hey shampovta.... Thanks for the tag team! Wel will do the same for you for Gravel or Dennis... But I don't think they are pulling the same crap with them are they?
This is called America isn't it? Or do we now live in the Hitler Era of censorship? - shampoovta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11 E-mail sent!
- scudiac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11I just called both lines TWICE and they were busy. Please phone, email or fax in your support Ron Paul!
- bloodrave, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13I just got an automatic error email back from the Christian Alliance email address. Says their mailbox is full. Hopefully it's full of Ron Paul! I'll be calling the numbers later today.
- scudiac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11My emails are bouncing too. I wonder if they disabled their accounts or what.
- arjunabrit007, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13I called and told them why I was calling, namely to respectfully request that as a US citizen I would like Ron Paul to be included in the Iowa debate.
I was told I would be out through.
I was.... to the recorded voice that says, "if you want to make a call please hang up and so on..."
I have tried the other number and I have been waiting now for 8 minutes, about as long as light takes to get from the Sun to the Earth.
They clearly do not want the "light" of Ron Paul's case getting out now do they.
Good luck, Dr. Ron the World needs you - never mind this country. - scottdrock, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15I have sent a polite email to both of these dumbasses asking that they reconsider their decision to exclude Ron Paul. We all need to flood their email and...well, as I write this, I received an email saying that Sheffler's email was full! Guess I'll have to call! Give 'em hell, folks! If they don't invite him, I will fly to Iowa and picket the forum with my RP brothers and sisters.
- LinearChaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10President Paul is pop culture catchy
- rmcnnlly, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12THE NEO-CON, TAX AND SPEND REPUBLICANS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!
- tardmongerster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Sign the petition!
http://www.petitiononline.com/rp063007/petition.html - NtrmDscrptr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I called, and left a message for the Iowans for Tax Relief.
It took three minutes.
Call them at 563-288-3600 or 877-913-3600 - goldenequity, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Outrageous!
What would Jesus Do? Keep calling, knock and keep knocking heh,heh - wisdomssister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9C'mon people! Get real!! Tax relief -and yet you are denying the biggest proponent of tax relief the right to be heard all!?! I think you have your priorities mixed up. Stop chasing the money trail if you are really for the people and act like it.
- svandever, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Harness ther power of the internet. Send a "polite" email to the organizations involved. Sign the petition. The more we keep Ron Paul's name out there, the more power we can accumulate.
- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Tardmongerster......
Thanks for taking action.
Yes, everyone sign the petition
then first thing in the morning when they return to their office call them and share why Dr. Paul should be included. Just point out his record. A peacful and nice revolt but in their face...
By the way I have the Chairman's home phone number for the Iowa for Fair Tax group....
Call his home number and be nice. His wife said he would be home soon.... His wife seemed nice so be nice, OK?
Call David Stanley he is the chairman 1-563-263-7203
then sign the petition as tardmongerster posted already 80 have signed it.
http://www.petitiononline.com/rp063007/petition.html- RichardSLand, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Don't forget to call the Iowa newspapers and television news shows. I'm trying to find numbers now. If anyone can help with that, please do.
- misconstrued, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10That guy sounds old. Just got his voicemail. Looks like that is his home number...
- jeffs111, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Do not call their homes. They will turn this around on us if you do. The right thing to do is confine this to their offices. You want them to be fair, you should be fair as an example.
- malklaka2012, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Yes, be polite. I left a detailed, informative, but very polite message, in a tone that said I was simply providing information to him that he may not have as yet: i.e., not being scornful, but helpful. Maybe, after all, this guy does NOT know what "Failure" is up to, trying to exclude Ron Paul because "Failure" is backing John McCain? Maybe Chairman Stanley will go put his boot up "Failure's" keister tomorrow morning, once he hears all of the voice mails, faxes, e-mails, etc. ; ->
- jeffiner44, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I too am mad as hell. However, it is VITAL that we not call anyone's house and harass their families. I understand the anger. I am enraged. But making these calls only hurts the man we support! I am tired of reading articles that say that the ITR chose not to invite Ron because he is not a credible candidate and this is proven by the fact that his nutcase supporters are calling his house and threatening his children.
Remember the big picture. We need votes from Iowans. We need to appear as the injured party here. If we act like crazy anarchists his message of liberty and freedom gets lost. Please support Ron Paul. Help his campaign. By all means make phone calls, but be polite.
Point out Ed's inconsistencies, he says on the one hand that they are full, on the other he says if Hillary called and wanted to join the forum they would talk to her.
It is a line we extended a month ago, and the behavior of his supporters should be abhorred.
We can't give him fodder for this kind of argument.
The issue is, who are they to determine who is credible? Are they trying to influence a Presidential election by keeping information from Iowans? We need to fight them on that issue. They are trying to keep Christians in the dark and refuse to inform the public. Didn't the Romans do this sort of thing to another man that had a grass roots campaign going?
- lordmetroid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Maybe there are more channels of communication than these... Digg for alternative mail adresses, phone numbers and so on. Send a snail mail!
- Lisztman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08
I'm mad as hell, and I won't take it any more! - theroy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12From the Iowans for Tax Relief site-
"We support candidates who commit, in writing, to reduce the growth rate of government as a lawmaker."
From the Iowa Christian Alliance website-
"The Iowa Christian Alliance a non-profit organization that seeks to make a difference in the public arena regarding the issues that matter most. We stand for integrity in government, high moral values, constitutional authority, and Christian principles. Our purpose is to educate and influence voters and politicians to keep their commitment to both liberty and law; that America may continue to be one nation under God. We are not tied to any political party."
I can only conclude that Dr. Ron Paul is being excluded because his integrity in government, his high moral values, his stand on the Constitutional, and his Christian principles are not to the level of the other invited candidates. He meets all the criteria, where the others fall short.
It will only get worse the closer we get to the election.- Pontifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Of course, these organizations could just be establishment proxies, coopted to get out the vote for the anointed candidates by deceiving people who vote on principle. Perhaps Failor's inability to explain Paul's exclusion is due to Failor's having received marching orders from the GOP establishment.
Or is that just too cynical? - Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7
Thanks for sharing the post.... I didn't look at their sites just yet.
- Pontifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Of course, these organizations could just be establishment proxies, coopted to get out the vote for the anointed candidates by deceiving people who vote on principle. Perhaps Failor's inability to explain Paul's exclusion is due to Failor's having received marching orders from the GOP establishment.
- CBound, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Let us keep in mind that we should keep our calls and emails civil and refrain from saying anything nasty. I believe the more unpleasant the communication the more likely these organizations will keep resisting the inclusion of Dr. Paul in their meetings. We must leave a good impression with those that we hope to win over.
This in not to say that we must not get mad over such apparent snobbish behavior on their part, but we can be mad and civil at the same time. I say all this as a reminder. I don't see too much in the posts above to indicate that our communications have been overly nasty, just the possibility that some have been. We should also keep in mind these are private organizations and have the right to keep out whomever they please. - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12RP needs to have a rally of his own outside their venue, and I bet he can draw more people than they can.
The Christian Alliance is a nonprofit organization. If they refuse to rescind this "disinvitation", I suggest we not only call them a lot but we also request documents from them. All IRS tax-exempt orgs are required to provide their tax returns and original IRS documents upon request. Let's all request it from them and keep them so busy they can't spend any time on this so-called "forum" of theirs!
If they don't comply, we can complain to the IRS, and yoink, tax-exempt status taken away.
I am not a mean person but this just doesn't make sense and is very mean-spirited to boot. If the Tax Relief org is a 501(c)3 we can do the same to them.- Pontifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Tax-exempt organizations are not allowed to advocate a particular candidate or candidates, on pain of losing their tax-exempt status. They are already on very thin ice. Let's give them a nudge.
- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Out of the box... I like but but does that pertain to anyone? I'm not sure if it does.
I oppose this new censorship form 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%
What are they thinking. I hope a bunch of people from Iowa will take more action. Right now it's a Digg revolt. The compalaint we have will work best from someone from Iowa. But we must all do what we can to expose this issue. - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8That is an interesting point, yes, 501c3 organizations are not allowed to be involved in politics or lobbying. There is another form for political organizations that probably can do that. If the Christian Alliance (or the tax relief org) is a 501c3, to hold a forum and invite some candidates and not all (beyond a certain criteria, such as that they must be Christian) may violate their IRS standing. Hmmmmmm.....
- brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I just got an email that a supporter in Iowa is willing to file a lawsuit against the group for violating their own bylaws by conducting this forum and including candidates that do not go along with their bylaws at the expense of candidates who don't. He's going to serve the suit and conduct a press conference outside of their offices.
I think he has a good case. - adam.skinner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The last thing any supporter of Ron Paul should be doing is sicking the IRS on someone. That's the kind of big government tyranny we're trying to break free from!
- mikey90210, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If you are forced to follow certain rules in a contest, but allow your opponents to ignore the same rules, what does that say about you? Especially when your opponent wrote the rules that you have to follow (see McCain-Feingold campaign reform act).
That said, Ron Paul is not the puppet master. If someone feels that this organization is breaking the law, they can take the time to file a suit/injunction. It depends on how exactly the organization is structured.
That being said, I hope that everyone can come to a reasonable solution without going to court. It does seem strange that an organization that has such close ties to McCain is specifically excluding Dr. Paul though. While I personally dislike lawsuits, there such a thing as discovery that can clarify who is actually funding these organizations. I think that Mr. Failor will try to claim attorney client privilege for the most part, i.e. he will probably say that he was engaged as a legal adviser, and therefore all of his links are privileged. However the press releases may weaken that, and of course there is judicial review, in camera, etc.
- TheKooch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5http://www.whitepages.com/10583/log_feature/pers_search_wo_email/search/FindPerson?firstname=Edward+D.&name=Failor&city_zip=&state_id=IA&default_listing=phone
- lulu4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ed and Andrea Sunrise the man in question Works at ITR McCain's top man in Iowa lobbyist for ITR at Des Moines
Ed Imperial the Senior, works at ITR also a lobbyist at DesMoines
- lulu4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ed and Andrea Sunrise the man in question Works at ITR McCain's top man in Iowa lobbyist for ITR at Des Moines
- Rillion, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Sadly theroy, I fear you're right. However, the fact that Paul has appeared recently on both the Colbert Report and the Daily Show heartens me a bit.
- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14
Folks although this is nonsense it really should open our eyes and see these organizations for what they really are.
I'm a Christian myself but when the strongest ally of eliminating unjust laws against Christians and other religious groups and the strongest opponent of taxes and he is bared from both requests I simply call this insane.
Just the other day Joseph Farah lied about Ron Paul's stand against Amnesty yet he has not retracted his comments.
It's real easy to see where peoples hearts are when they try to bar Ron Paul a true champion of all things good.
If your like me you are ashamed of fake groups and fake people.
Our action plan should be as follows:
1) Send a notice to all your e-mail buddies and have them digg this story to the top of digg. (Sure this is a ron paul issue but it goes much farther then this issue it's about censorhip. So go find all your independent buddies and Oboma friends who man not vote for Paul but point out what the real America is all about right now. It's about censorship on many levels.
2) Sign this petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/rp063007/petition.html
3) First thing in the morning and all day long on Wednesday simply call and voice your concerns with a positive tone. E-mail the same issues but be nice and professional even though we we may want to tell them what we really think. We really don't have to offer a hard sell because Paul's record says it all.
Just tell them this: "Washington, DC: Congressman Ron Paul has been recognized as a top advocate for taxpayers in the US Congress for the tenth year in a row, earning the nonpartisan National Taxpayers Unions annual award as a “Taxpayers’ Friend” for 2006. Only 30 of 435 members in the U.S. House of Representatives earned similar honors last year."
In closing the leaders of both groups should be ashamed of themselves for censorship. As for me I'm already ashamed of my party for trying to keep Paul from future debates.
I would suggest if we love liberty and freedom we must follow the 3-steps and I believe we will see a change. Paul, will without a doubt dwarf anyone with such topics.... The bottom line is Paul is a real threat and they are scared as hell to oppose Paul.
- deveio, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Here is Eds Home Phone Number: 563-263-3738
Have Fun!- jeffs111, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Don't call them at home. I think that is mean-spirited. Do unto others as you would do unto them. Call their businesses and keep at it every day.
- jeffs111, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I think I misquoted the golden rule but you know what I meant...
- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Hey Jeff,
I understand your point but we must take firm action.... If I made a mistake I would expect freedom loving people to call me on the carpet. So, we are calling them but being nice. I respect your point but don't agree.
If somone offended my daughther and tried to control her free speech at school you can bet I would call the teacher at home and speak with them with a calm but firm manner and if it wasn't resolved I would set an appointment to meet in person,
Our freedoms have been hurt in many ways and I say no more.... Don't you?
So yes I do agree with doing to others as we would have them do unto us... If we don't take firm action and call them on the issues as we have already with the last Paul's debates them perhaps he would not have been in the last debate.
Again I respect your point but don't agree. call them at home, send letters and call them again at work in the morning. Make your point both informative and postive. We simply can't stand for this and we shall win.... If we keep things just at work then they can ignor our calls as they have in the past.
I tell you the truth if I was in Iowa I would head to the homes of these people and bull horn them outside and say nice things but make the point be known we live in america and they are unfit to lead their own non profits by censoring the best options.... President Ron Paul!
However, don't call them all night long stop at 8:30 PM and let them sleep to face us in the morning :) - lulu4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You gave the father's phone number. 563-263-5459 is the correct home number.
- jeffiner44, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I too am mad as hell. However, it is VITAL that we not call anyone's house and harass their families. I understand the anger. I am enraged. But making these calls only hurts the man we support! I am tired of reading articles that say that the ITR chose not to invite Ron because he is not a credible candidate and this is proven by the fact that his nutcase supporters are calling his house and threatening his children.
Remember the big picture. We need votes from Iowans. We need to appear as the injured party here. If we act like crazy anarchists his message of liberty and freedom gets lost. Please support Ron Paul. Help his campaign. By all means make phone calls, but be polite.
Point out Ed's inconsistencies, he says on the one hand that they are full, on the other he says if Hillary called and wanted to join the forum they would talk to her.
It is a line we extended a month ago, and the behavior of his supporters should be abhorred.
We can't give him fodder for this kind of argument.
The issue is, who are they to determine who is credible? Are they trying to influence a Presidential election by keeping information from Iowans? We need to fight them on that issue. They are trying to keep Christians in the dark and refuse to inform the public. Didn't the Romans do this sort of thing to another man that had a grass roots campaign going?- lulu4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Check out how ITR messed with several primaries in Iowa last year to take out long standing republicans and put in their chosen people. Non partisan????? I do not think so. ITR is about getting their candidates elected not lower taxes.
- jb4rp2008, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I find it surprising that a leader of a Pro-Life group would exclude Ron Paul from any presidential forum. Maybe your priorities are in the wrong place. Maybe your motives are more obvious now than ever. Who pulls your strings? It is certainly not un-born American babies.
Do the right thing and invite Ron Paul.
Jimmy Barber
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I find it surprising that a leader of a tax group would exclude Ron Paul from any presidential forum. Maybe your priorities are in the wrong place. Maybe your motives are more obvious now than ever. Who pulls your strings? It is certainly not fiscal conservative Americans.
Do the right thing and invite Ron Paul.
Jimmy Barber - fej64, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I called, left message
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Pasted from blog.lewrockwell
Iowans Against Tax Relief
Posted by Thomas Woods at June 19, 2007 03:33 PM
Well, well, well. It turns out that Edward Failor, executive VP of Iowans for "Tax Relief" and who refuses to allow Ron Paul to take part in his candidates' forum, is a fan of...GEORGE PATAKI! Does it get more hilarious than this?
I like this part, from the New York Sun: "Mr. Pataki could be a hard sell to small-government conservatives, given that state spending in New York has grown to a projected $75 billion in the coming fiscal year from $43 billion in 1995. Mr. Failor said the increases were the necessary result of growth brought on by aggressive tax cuts." Oh.
http://www.nysun.com/article/40382?page_no=1 - brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10I just called them and left a message. I mentioned that one of the candidates they're inviting, Mitt Romney, actually raised FEES (a sly way of being able to say you didn't raise "taxes") by $500 million a year as governor of Massachusetts. Other people might want to say this as well. It's from the "Boston Globe".
They invite a guy who raises taxes by $500 million a year but they don't invite the "taxpayers' best friend"??????? - NH4RonPaul, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Thanks for posting this and please, be nice when you write or call. Cite the facts.
Ron is the taxpayers best friend and pro-life!
Rudy is pro-choice... - erasedgod, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Maybe talking to some of these people will help.
http://www.iptv.org/iowapress/
http://www.inanews.com/about/findaniowanewspaper.php - Click on "Search Daily / Weekly". It returned about 300 newspapers between daily (39) and weekly (274).
Some of the other links on the site may be helpful too. Again, if contacting anyone, please be respectful. Obscenities and ignorance can't possibly help our cause.
That said, give 'em hell!- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7
Hi erasedgod,
An anti-god name is it? Well, thanks for the links to the media I did call the public tv source and used the link to the newspaper but it appears everyone has gone home. I will try again in the morning to get somone to do a local story.
Thanks for the post....
Pro freedom and pro Ron Paul
- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7
- Franky66, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11This is plain wrong. Ron Paul deserves to be heard!!
- Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10
I just tried to call Ed at home and it's been busy for at least 20 min... So keep calling him but be nice.... Be nice be nice. speak with firm conviction and win this fight. Folks I can see it now we are going to have to do this often. When Pau's site puts the word out we need to check the dialy updates once a day and act with postive fashion we should be willing to even go the scene of the crime and cofront the killers of freedom with facts in person. I know i have once so far... Do not back down on this issue. A line has been drawn in the sand and they will back down and invite paul.
I oppose censorship of any canidate evne Rudy.... Rudy is without a doubt the worst and look at Mitt didn't he increase taxes? I think he did but I don't know the amount. Does anyone know for sure how much Mitt increased taxes?- brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10$500 million a year in increased "fees" such as driver's licenses, marriage licenses, any sort of government fee.
Cut off $280 million to local towns, which then raised property taxes to make up the shortfall, raising property taxes by 5% and to the highest level in Massachusetts in five years.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/05/27/mitt_romneys_skeletons_in_the_closet/
"And, instead of raising taxes, Romney raised $700 million by increasing fees and closing corporate loopholes -- a practice corporations consider a tax increase."
He instituted an Internet sales tax, which he called a "tax loophole".
The Democratic National Committee has issued several press releases on this, yes they're biased, but they cite major newspapers for the whole thing.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/01/mitt_romney_the.php
Romney Raised Taxes and Fees Repeatedly. "In [Romney's] first year in office, the state increased hundreds of fees, making it more expensive to get a driver's license, marry, or buy a house." In 2003, Romney signed off on more tax and fee hikes than any other governor. [Boston Globe, 10/24/05; Congress Daily, 8/28/03]
B. Massachusetts Taxes Increased by 5 Percent. During the Romney’s administration, Bay Staters saw their taxes burden increase by 5.1 percent in real terms. [Massachusetts State-Local Tax Burden Compared to National Average (1970-20060, The Tax Foundation]
C. Romney Raised Taxes on Businesses. "Governor Romney has taken great pride in forcing businesses to pay a more equitable share of state taxes over the past two years. Last January he filed a bill to tighten the tax code for the third time." [Editorial, Boston Globe, 5/6/05] - Darel99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Hey thanks brightmidnight....
Wow, I didn't realize Mitt was such a fake tax fraud. - jeffiner44, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Please don't call the man's house. It hurts Dr. Paul's credibility. Instead of the story being that the ITR are a bunch of bigots and election fixers, it has become, they are a peaceful freedom loving group who made a little decision and the rabid Ron Paul supporters are attacking his children and breaking the law by attempting to hack into his computer. We need to take the high road.
Call his advertisers. Call the NY Times, the Washington Post, the attorney general of Iowa, the IRS to see if they are keeping in line with their articles of incorporation, call the BBB and complain about the group. Call local churches and ask to speak to the pastors. Ask them if they are aware of how poorly Ron Paul is being treated.
This needs to be about how badly Ron is being treated, not how badly his supporters are treating others. We have no room for hate.
Keep your eye on the big picture, we want votes in Iowa! Always be polite, make your opponent look like the lunatic. - lulu4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Check out how ITR messed with several primaries in Iowa last year to take out long standing republicans and put in their chosen people. Non partisan????? I do not think so. ITR is about getting their candidates elected not lower taxes.
- brightmidnight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10$500 million a year in increased "fees" such as driver's licenses, marriage licenses, any sort of government fee.
- CPMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Just one more day in this sad, ever-growing idiocracy...
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