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The Obama Feminists: Why Young Women Are Supporting Obama
huffingtonpost.com — "The epic struggle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama reveals strong fault lines between some older and younger women, first underscored by no less than Gloria Steinem who scorned those of us supporting a male over a female." written by Ariel Garfinkel
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- drmavis, on 04/11/2008, -9/+62If you're voting for Hillary only because she has 2 X chromosomes, read this excellent essay!
- jabberwolf, on 04/11/2008, -16/+4Why young feminists are: Because they are stupid.
Old feminists supporting Hillary: Well... because they are old?!- raisputin3, on 04/11/2008, -8/+1WELL SAID!
- cheekdog, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5i'm a woman. i'm voting for obama. do i want to see a woman in the white house one day? you bet! but NOT clinton and NOT because of gender. i love my country too much.
- cheekdog, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1OOPS! bury
- jabberwolf, on 04/11/2008, -16/+4Why young feminists are: Because they are stupid.
- stretch611, on 04/11/2008, -7/+61A great article that mentions many of the reasons why Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama are in fact different. Anyone who thinks that Hillary and Barrack are the same should read this article an be enlightened.
- BigManOnCampus, on 04/11/2008, -31/+5I know full well that daddies have penuses and mommies have vaginas, thank you very much.
- sw33tsarin, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8But apparently you have no clue how to spell penis.
- BigManOnCampus, on 04/11/2008, -4/+1look up the plural of it.
- jchrome, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1That would be peni. FAIL.
- BigManOnCampus, on 04/11/2008, -4/+1look up the plural of it.
- sw33tsarin, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8But apparently you have no clue how to spell penis.
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/11/2008, -22/+5The ENTIRE article was Hillary/Bill/Gloria bashing and said nothing about how Obama is different. If you see anything different in this article then you are either blinded by your love for Obama or just an idiot..... or both.
- luciferin, on 04/11/2008, -1/+20"Obama stood up to say that Clinton has every right to remain in the race...he came to her defense, showing both a difference in style and principle."
"Obama's extraordinary world view resonates with our desire for a different future."
You probably didn't see that because you were blinded by your hatred for Obama. - brad3378, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1So true.
Their political platforms are basically the same, so I think that's why Obama's great speaking voice is often the tie breaker for many.
- luciferin, on 04/11/2008, -1/+20"Obama stood up to say that Clinton has every right to remain in the race...he came to her defense, showing both a difference in style and principle."
- DesignEx, on 04/11/2008, -3/+2Read it, but the fact remains that both their policies on important matters (Iraq, economy, health care) are extremely similar, and that is what people are supposed to be voting on.
- Gerz1219, on 04/11/2008, -1/+10Well, if their policies are very similar, then how can people base their preference on policy stances? You've just argued that voters *should* be weighing issues of character, integrity, and personality, since that's all that remains.
- stretch611, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5To me character and integrity are some of the most important qualities. When it is time to make a decision, would you rather have the candidate that is looking to see what they personally get from their decision or have them base their choice on how it will affect the general public?
- stonewaljacksn, on 04/11/2008, -3/+2thats retarded. people voted george bush into office cuz they wanted to have a beer with him. I will vote barack into office because hes a supposedly "good guy" who i can smoke a doobie with? You are an idiot if you vote based on personality.
- dagamer34, on 04/11/2008, -1/+5Because politicians change their policies all the time (Bush said we would never nation-build), so I'd argue that going after the small differences between policy are NOT important in a primary. Style of leadership however is, and we can see that they'd have a very different approach to leading this country.
- br0ck, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6These three issues can be best addressed by increasing government transparency and reducing the abilities of corporations to run our country. If you care about war, then how about attempting to reduce the influence of the military industrial complex? If you care about health care, then how about making earmarks public and make it impossible for congress members to get high earning jobs in the industry after they make favorable votes like Obama wants to do? Cleaning up the government will to more to fix these three issues than anything Hillary is proposing.
But, why vote on just three issues?
How about the "issue" of being able to compel our governments and other governments to work together and work with us to get things done? What if George Bush had actually had the ability to compel and convince and had been able to get a world coalition together to work with us in Iraq? Which will be better at this? Obama or Hillary?
What about the issues written about by George Lakoff the other day? They have striking differences when you look beyond war and health care an determine what the real important "issues" are: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/what-c ...
Read Obama's speech before the Iraq war and compare that to Hillary's vote to authorize the war. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_ ... Actually, her excuse is that she didn't understand what the 'authorization to use military force against Iraq was' which leads to a real big issue - integrity. Which candidate has honesty and integrity?
As for supporting the troops, Obama has consistently worked to help veterans, stop the war and take blackwater to task. He is the top troop contributions to a democratic candidate are to Obama by far. One big vote difference is the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which Hillary voted for and Obama voted against. You can read about all the problems with it including the suspending of Habeus Corpus and the fact that it can be applied to US citizens at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_ ...
There are quite a few other things too like the fact that Obama has been introducing very compelling legislation (criminalize election day fraud, campaign finance reform, Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007, bill to stop military from using personality disorder discharges while not treating them, bill to increase transparency of gov't, bill to prevent veteran homelessness, coal to liquids financing, bill to eliminate health care imbalances, bill to require dept of defense to give troops protective equipment, bill to eliminate blackwater and other contractor immunity from criminal prosecution in Iraq, bill to officially state that force is not authorized against Iran. Compare this to Hillary has been working on (the 'make it illegal to burn the flag' act, video game family protection act, increase size of army by 80k, zero emissions building act).
Not to mention, Hillary--the candidate 'for families and children'--voted to allow cluster bombs with high failure rates specifically in civilian areas. 98% of cluster bomb deaths are civilians and 1/3 of those are children. She says that she did it so she wouldn't look weak on military issues, but a healthy donation from a cluster bomb munitions maker right before the vote tells a different story.
- Gerz1219, on 04/11/2008, -1/+10Well, if their policies are very similar, then how can people base their preference on policy stances? You've just argued that voters *should* be weighing issues of character, integrity, and personality, since that's all that remains.
- stonewaljacksn, on 04/11/2008, -3/+4anyone who thinks Obama and Clinton are different types of politicians should in fact look up their top campaign contributors.
They are both in the pockets of the most powerful businesses in this country.
- BigManOnCampus, on 04/11/2008, -31/+5I know full well that daddies have penuses and mommies have vaginas, thank you very much.
- Mimer, on 04/11/2008, -10/+52If you are voting for Obama, you should also read it, because this article shows great intelligence and clearness of mind in lining up the inherent feminism of Obama, and it deals with feminist values as core human values - not as men vs. women. To be a little personal, this kind of mind actually turns me on. Yes, in an erotic way.
- SteveIsTheDude, on 04/11/2008, -5/+9I know Digg is a "safe place" for you so I feel kinda bad doing this, but... YOUR A FREAK!!!
- m0tbaillie, on 04/11/2008, -1/+13YOUR != YOU'RE
- Kyan, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4Well maybe he means HIS A FREAK as opposed to HIS B FREAK. You really should give a guy the benefit of the doubt, ya know!
- m0tbaillie, on 04/11/2008, -1/+13YOUR != YOU'RE
- luciferin, on 04/11/2008, -1/+5Honestly, a woman as intelligent and well spoken as the author of that article is what does it for me...
...Half the time I was thinking "How the hell can I meet this woman." - karaokekidd, on 04/11/2008, -4/+1It's because he's black isn't it...
- SteveIsTheDude, on 04/11/2008, -5/+9I know Digg is a "safe place" for you so I feel kinda bad doing this, but... YOUR A FREAK!!!
- boudicon, on 04/11/2008, -6/+16Brilliant essay; should be read and shared by all..
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/11/2008, -14/+3You should read it before praising it. It's "brilliant"??? Really?
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/11/2008, -43/+7Rofl @ feminism. It's 2008 and there are women that are actually oppressed out there. And they don't live on this continent.
"Ironically, it was the male candidate rather than the female who exhibited one of the values of feminism, the unwillingness to accept the old style politics played by men for decades."
Nice writting skills, but you are a complete idiot.
And I say that as a profound hater of Hillary.- cobbwobbles, on 04/11/2008, -3/+21buried for shameful ignorance.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/11/2008, -23/+1Ignorance of what? The oppression of women in an article that talks about a woman running for president?
- eigenweasel, on 04/11/2008, -10/+3Look, the fact is that according to the politically correct rules which govern all public discussion, being black trumps every possible alternative and if you dissent from that view, people will pretend to disapprove of you so as to demonstrate their obedience to 'the rules'.
I think it sucks, but I can appreciate the beauty for those in power of a system so intimidating that it forces people to police themselves to the extent that, although in perfect privacy, they'll click a little red button whenever anyone with opposing opinions dares to articulate them.- MacEnvy, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4So you've got it all figured out, eh? And anyone who says differently is obviously stupid or scared of your opinion, eh? You're quite a "rule breaker", standing up for your right to free speech, aren't you?
Perhaps those digging him down just disagree with the way he's presented his ideas. After all, that's why I dugg you down.
- MacEnvy, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4So you've got it all figured out, eh? And anyone who says differently is obviously stupid or scared of your opinion, eh? You're quite a "rule breaker", standing up for your right to free speech, aren't you?
- luciferin, on 04/11/2008, -1/+12Ignorance for what the ideas of Feminism actually entitle. I mean the feminism that is being written about in that article, not the 'bra-burning, man-hating" kind you're assuming.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/11/2008, -7/+1Oh really? This woman said that Obama was more of a feminist than the woman who's running for president because he didn't resort to male behaviour.
***** douche.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/11/2008, -7/+1Oh really? This woman said that Obama was more of a feminist than the woman who's running for president because he didn't resort to male behaviour.
- eigenweasel, on 04/11/2008, -10/+3Look, the fact is that according to the politically correct rules which govern all public discussion, being black trumps every possible alternative and if you dissent from that view, people will pretend to disapprove of you so as to demonstrate their obedience to 'the rules'.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/11/2008, -23/+1Ignorance of what? The oppression of women in an article that talks about a woman running for president?
- cobbwobbles, on 04/11/2008, -3/+21buried for shameful ignorance.
- actorboy, on 04/11/2008, -7/+49At its core, feminism is about equality of life, liberty and in the pursuit of happiness. To fight so hard for these things only to turn around and re-limit liberties by dictating for whom people can cast their vote completely counters progress made. Feminism, or any equality movement for that matter, is about freedom -- which includes freedom of choice.
- zephyr42, on 04/11/2008, -12/+9In its path, though, has also worked hard to destroy mans' identity.
"It's not that I don't think you can't open the door, far from it. No need to raise a fuss about it.... I do apologize for the polite gesture I was trying to give." -me talking to some lady.- petebot, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3one woman does not equal all women.
- modelcadet, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3My ex wasn't too happy with that particular answer...
- petebot, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3one woman does not equal all women.
- dshPls, on 04/11/2008, -3/+19Then say ***** feminism and rename yourselves something that encapsulates men too. We all want the same thing, equal rights, so fight for equality and don't focus on a certain classification.
- Kyan, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6Equalism!
- Pake, on 04/11/2008, -4/+13Equalism is about equality for all, not feminism which is dedicated only for the benefits of women. Just want to point that out as it irks me to no end to hear people bastardize the prefixes.
- luciferin, on 04/11/2008, -3/+5Equal- or femi- would be the root, not the prefix. -inism would be the suffix, that's why it's the same in both. Just want to point it out as it irks me to no end when I hear people bastardize our language.
No offense meant, my point is that you're just nitpicking in a world of criticism that is already filled with far to many "topics". There are hundreds of labels and you could spend hours trying to pigeon-hole things into it when instead you could just to say that you agree with some of the ideas of Feminism.- Pake, on 04/11/2008, -1/+5My mistake, it would be a root word in this case. My point remains the same in that feminism is not the same as equalism and anyone who says feminism is about equality for all is wrong. Just really tired of people trying to claim feminism is about equality for all people when historically it was to bring equality to women, but now it's used more to gain the upperhand than it is to create equality for all people.
- luciferin, on 04/11/2008, -3/+5Equal- or femi- would be the root, not the prefix. -inism would be the suffix, that's why it's the same in both. Just want to point it out as it irks me to no end when I hear people bastardize our language.
- Rimrock, on 04/11/2008, -3/+2Ahhh not. Wackos
- sploozo, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4Yeah that is true I wish they'd scrap the name feminism and go for humanism or something to that effect.
- zephyr42, on 04/11/2008, -12/+9In its path, though, has also worked hard to destroy mans' identity.
- whatthefu, on 04/11/2008, -33/+16How to get to the front page of Digg:
1. Write an article about why _____ is/are supporting Obama
2. Wait, that's it.- BrainCoder, on 04/11/2008, -7/+10This is actually true.
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/11/2008, -9/+2... sad .. .but true.
- dood, on 04/11/2008, -1/+121. Write an article that digg users like to read and share with others.
2. Yep, that really is it.
3. digg isn't mysterious. - dcmjzero, on 04/11/2008, -3/+1step 3: profit!
/someone had to do it.
- BrainCoder, on 04/11/2008, -7/+10This is actually true.
- Flamancot, on 04/11/2008, -4/+42This article crystalizes the truth about feminism: that it is a progressive movement utterly dependent on change and social evolution. Voting for a woman is therefor not necessarily the right path to realizing true equality between the sexes. Obama brings a clear mind to this discussion and seems to be the only candidate with a healthy zeitgeist of change. His message is across the board, in favor of compassion and the recognition of ourselves in other Americans. This is why progressives of all different types are moving toward Obama, because he is one of the healthiest human beings I've ever known to run for office.. and that's something that comes through without fail everytime the man does anything. Ladies, he's your man. Obama ftw
- Rimrock, on 04/11/2008, -11/+2Thank you Mrs. Obama.
- Hillsfar, on 04/11/2008, -1/+5I think that's it. Obama is truly one of the healthiest - psychologically, mentally, emotionally - human beings to ever run for president - or any public office for that matter.
And his strong, loving, compassionate, intelligent, pioneering, understanding mother is the woman who deserves the credit.
- cobbwobbles, on 04/11/2008, -5/+39Not voting for Hill-dog just because we both have a vagina. Obama 08! Because it's about the issues, not the organs.
- amightywind, on 04/11/2008, -25/+3Obama is a race baiter and an anti-Semite. Its gonna be ugly this fall. Now we find he has terrorist sympathies (see the news of his relationship with 70's terrorist Bill Ayers).
- cobbwobbles, on 04/11/2008, -1/+12looooooool, back on Earth we research things before we believe them.
- petebot, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8A mighty wind of hot air...
- brad3378, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1If this election was about the issues, we would be talking about the differences in their platforms instead of their gender, their hair and their pastors.
- amightywind, on 04/11/2008, -25/+3Obama is a race baiter and an anti-Semite. Its gonna be ugly this fall. Now we find he has terrorist sympathies (see the news of his relationship with 70's terrorist Bill Ayers).
- mlwarrior, on 04/11/2008, -34/+15Younger women these days cannot resist a black man.
- MessiR10, on 04/11/2008, -5/+8I wish i was black :(
- petebot, on 04/11/2008, -3/+5I admit, that was funny...
- chuckDontSurf, on 04/11/2008, -3/+2I don't know why you're getting dugg down; that was hilarious.
- wageslaven, on 04/11/2008, -0/+48Can we *PLEASE* drop the politics of identity and start discussing policy?
I dont care what colour or sex these people are, I want substantive discourse and debate. I *do* support Obama (and before that Edwards and Kucinich) but its based on his politics, not his melanin.- wendelgee2, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6The fact that you don't care about color/sex is hugely significant. We're finally, slowly, moving beyond the problems that haunted our parents' generation.
- crazyhorse13, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2I would say that many people have been there for years. Just not the media.
- jedmed, on 04/11/2008, -2/+2Ironically, we are talking about policy.
Michael Douglas said it best in the movie An American President. "Being President is ALL about character." - brad3378, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2I've been saying this for months, but digg users don't seem to care so much about policies.
For Example:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Obama_s_Blueprin ...
This article about Obama's official platform was submitted 64 days ago yet at this moment it only has 54 diggs?
WTF? I'm not even one of his supporters and I've probably been promoting this article more than anybody else!
How can you call yourselves Obama supporters without reading the stuff that REALLY matters?
Don't you care about WHAT he wants to change?
- wendelgee2, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6The fact that you don't care about color/sex is hugely significant. We're finally, slowly, moving beyond the problems that haunted our parents' generation.
- evo8ftw, on 04/11/2008, -20/+3Because they are easily brainwashed
- kalrhael, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2only if it's a republican, apparently.
- headzoo, on 04/11/2008, -4/+18Why would a feminist vote for Hillary just because she's a woman, and not because she's the right candidate for the job? That's the same kind of discrimination that feminist have been fighting against.
- PopcornDave, on 04/11/2008, -0/+14Unfortunately you just answered your own question right there - because she's a woman. It's the same kind of thinking why people vote solidly Dem or Rep without looking at the person behind the party lines.
- brad3378, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2Why would a black person vote for Obama just because he's black, and not because he's the right candidate for the job? That's the same kind of discrimination that blacks have been fighting against.
Discrimination works both ways
- burn0ut, on 04/11/2008, -13/+1There's nothing sexier than a man in power.
- z3r0c0O1, on 04/11/2008, -19/+3***** Clinton, ***** Obama and ***** McCain. Ventura FTW!
- noloveIII, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3As a Minnesotan i can tell you despite some good ideas he is terrible as a leader/ politician. But I do commend him on calling out other peoples ***** and telling the truth to people. I would like to see him run the presidental debates.
- Jawoodyablowme, on 04/11/2008, -2/+0Terrible politician? ***** yeah! That makes him more qualified than the rest of these *****!
- Stryder81, on 04/11/2008, -1/+1I think Ventura would be good as the Secretary of Defense, or in that department.
As a leader? That's pushing it. it takes more than calling people out to be head of this country. - sqwirl, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1Yeah, good luck with that.
- noloveIII, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3As a Minnesotan i can tell you despite some good ideas he is terrible as a leader/ politician. But I do commend him on calling out other peoples ***** and telling the truth to people. I would like to see him run the presidental debates.
- horatiolust, on 04/11/2008, -9/+5Because they're idiots
- captainbethany, on 04/11/2008, -2/+22ARGHHHH Maybe I support Obama because I have a brain, and am able to see past sex/race? -->22yo chick. I get soooo pissed at young women who think somehow it's a good idea to vote Hell-ery because she's a female. Girl Power? Use your Brain Power! UUUGH!
Tina Fey, back me up. Oh.... jam.- lisaawesome, on 04/11/2008, -2/+15Seriously. My younger sister and quite a few of the less intelligent ladies I know are proudly voting for Hillary just because she is a woman and they wonder how men like Dick Masterson could ever think that women are incapable of making good decisions. Thinking with your vag is just as stupid as thinking with your dick.
- fridaporvida, on 04/11/2008, -0/+10I know a few men who voted for Hillary just because she is a woman. I had one friend tell me, 'Don't you think it would be better for the country for a woman to win this election than a black man?' My reaction: 'Whaaaaaaat? Did you seriously cast your vote based on that moronic reasoning?!'
Actually, of the few Hillary supporters I know, they all voted for her *just* because she is a woman. It's depressing :[
- DarkReign16, on 04/11/2008, -3/+6Run guys, this thread's been hijacked!
- Pherdnut, on 04/11/2008, -2/+12So simple a sophomore at Mt. Holyoke can understand it. Steinem and Ferraro have been acting like children.
- lostarchitect, on 04/11/2008, -1/+7Sophomores at Mt. Holyoke are probably among the top 5% of educated people on the planet, FYI.
- Pherdnut, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1The kid's still a sophomore.
- njcu, on 04/11/2008, -11/+3Well apparently its true... once you go black you never go back.... lol
- jriggs420, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2no no, it's:
Once you vote Barack you never go back.
- jriggs420, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2no no, it's:
- IronDonut, on 04/11/2008, -11/+10Feminists are supporting Obama because secretly they are in love with his HUGE caucus. (results) ha.
- skcoder, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2LOL
- 14justice, on 04/11/2008, -24/+5Why are young women supporting Obama? For the same reason his mother married his father: naivete.
- TeflonFong, on 04/11/2008, -1/+25I would prefer that the first woman president was NOT previously a first lady...I want the woman who sets the precedent to make it on her own and I think that would open more doors for women. It is not Hillary's fault that she was a first lady, but I don't think she realizes the precarious position she is in and what it means to the future of female candidates; using her "first lady" experience is not progressive at all
- KidDynamo0, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8I couldn't agree with you more. I think people should be looking at a woman like Katherine Sebelius. She has made it as a governor on her own merit. How is it progressive to be elected President after being the most known "wife" in America, and then have your name dragged through the mud because your husband cheats on you. However, you supposedly become strong because you stay with him. I am sorry but I have no issues with women as President, but just not this one. BTW, I hope Obama picks someone like Katherine Sebelius for a VP. She is accomplished, smart, and not a player of the victim card constantly.
- trenchcoat, on 04/11/2008, -14/+4Young women support Obama because he's got a big black hard...top. I was talking about his car. Get your mind out of the gutter.
- kingUssop, on 04/11/2008, -3/+17Older feminists were born in a time when their extremism seemed totally justified. Like Hillary Clinton and Tina Fey, all they see is "WOMEN POWER GOOD, MAN POWER BAD," which is you know, a generalization, even an offensive stereotype when you think about it. Thankfully progress is inevitable and younger feminists aren't so charged up on hate.
- Homerr, on 04/11/2008, -6/+13Obama = integrity
- badqat, on 04/11/2008, -12/+2Obama = just words
- RexxxMaster, on 04/11/2008, -0/+8Your math= Just words
- badqat, on 04/11/2008, -12/+2Obama = just words
- IslandDog, on 04/11/2008, -15/+8Obama spam.
- CaptShmo, on 04/11/2008, -0/+23I would think young women would want the first female president to set a GOOD example for future women presidents to come, not eliminate the chance of them ever being taken seriously which hillary just might
- Puisapres, on 04/11/2008, -13/+2It's so stupid to vote along gender lines; even though both Hillary and I are female, I would never vote for her. This fall I'll proudly be casting my ballot for the best candidate: McCain.
*Imagines the pro-Obama diggers having convulsions at my comment* - moeursalen, on 04/11/2008, -12/+3Misogyny lives on and thrives in the disguise of sophistry. But not on MSNBC, the Obama Channel:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/626991/ca ... - Jawoodyablowme, on 04/11/2008, -11/+0Sometimes I really think there's a robot digging these comments. One person will say something and get dugg down and then someone will comment on his post agreeing with him and get dugg up.
No wonder DIGG is considered the flakiest site on the net!
Now, I have to self-examine why the ***** I'm here.....- Jawoodyablowme, on 04/11/2008, -5/+1I rest my case.
- muchachoburacho, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4You got dugg down because your an idiot. Some people don't read the responses to stupid posts.
- Jawoodyablowme, on 04/11/2008, -5/+1I rest my case.
- bschonec, on 04/11/2008, -11/+1Probably because he's young, thin, attractive and supports unrestricted abortions.
But mostly because he supports unrestricted abortions...- fridaporvida, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4interesting argument.
...OMG. let's have unprotected sex immediately...that way by the time Obama is elected president, which he will be, I can get me one of them unrestricted abortions. ^_^
- fridaporvida, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4interesting argument.
- Ricemanstm, on 04/11/2008, -14/+4GlObama ra-ra rhetoric. The man stands for nothing, and his specifics are nothing more than generalities. Of course young people are going to go for him, because they don't know any better.
- SwordofKahless, on 04/11/2008, -12/+1Answer: Because they are dopey young girls, it is the trendy in thing and they are clueless of Obama's background.
- mxpx5678, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2I just submitted another essay on the same topic. Also an interesting read from less of an editorial standpoint.
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Feminist_Pitch_b ... - nickzee, on 04/11/2008, -11/+1Whatever Obama and Hillary will run in the same ticket...or the party will be split..
- RRJackson, on 04/11/2008, -15/+4Because he's not, "old 'n stuff..." Duh. If he's elected the sun will shine blue and there will be pink chiffon smileberry bushes growing in the fields of plenty. Until he urges Hamas to attack our men in the middle east.
http://ztruth.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/200 ...
By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America's Declaration of Independence.
The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week.
Hamas, responsible for scores of shootings, suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian population centers, is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.
The revelation follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed "concern" about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.
In his July 22, 2007, church newsletter, Wright reprinted an article by Mousa Abu Marzook, identified in the publication as a "deputy of the political bureau of Hamas." A photo image of the piece was captured and posted today by the business blog BizzyBlog, which first brought attention to it. The Hamas article was first published by the Los Angeles Times, garnering the newspaper much criticism.
According to senior Israeli security officials, Marzook, who resides in Syria alongside Hamas chieftain Khaled Meshaal, is considered the "brains" behind Hamas, designing much of the terror group's policies and ideology. Israel possesses what it says is a large volume of specific evidence that Marzook has been directly involved in calling for or planning scores of Hamas terrorist offensives, including deadly suicide bombings. He was also accused of attempting to set up a Hamas network in the U.S.
Marzook's original piece was titled, "Hamas' stand" but was re-titled "A Fresh View of the Palestinian Struggle" by Obama's church newsletter. The newsletter also referred to Hamas as the "Islamic Resistance Movement," and added in its introduction that Marzook was addressing Hamas' goals for "all of Palestine."
In the manifesto, Marzook refers to Hamas' "resistance" – the group's perpetuation of anti-Israel terrorism targeting civilians – as "legal resistance," which, he argues, is "explicitly supported by the Fourth Geneva Convention."
The Convention, which refers to the rights of people living under occupation, does not support suicide bombings or rocket attacks against civilian population centers, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America noted.
Marzook refers to Hamas' official charter as "an essentially revolutionary document" and compares the violent creed to the Declaration of Independence, which, Marzook states, "simply did not countenance any such status for the 700,000 African slaves at that time."
Hamas' charter calls for the murder of Jews. Among its platforms is a statement that the "[resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'"
In his piece, Marzook says Hamas only targets Israel and denies that Hamas' war is meant to be waged against the U.S., even though Hamas officials have threatened America, and Hamas' charter calls for Muslims to "pursue the cause of the Movement (Hamas), all over the globe."
Trinity Church did not respond to a phone message requesting comment.
Obama's campaign also did not reply to phone and e-mail requests today for comment.
Obama aide wants talks with terrorists
WND reported in January that Malley, an Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.
Malley also previously penned a well-circulated New York Review of Books piece largely blaming Israel for the collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David in 2000 when Arafat turned down a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem and instead returned to the Middle East to launch an intifada, or terrorist campaign, against the Jewish state.
Malley's contentions have been strongly refuted by key participants at Camp David, including President Clinton, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and primary U.S. envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross, all of whom squarely blamed Arafat's refusal to make peace for the talks' failure.
In February 2006, after Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian parliament and amid a U.S. and Israeli attempt to isolate the Hamas-run Palestinian Authority, Malley wrote an op-ed for the Baltimore Sun advocating international aid to the terror group's newly formed government.
"The Islamists (Hamas) ran on a campaign of effective government and promised to improve Palestinians' lives; they cannot do that if the international community turns its back," wrote Malley in a piece entitled, "Making the Best of Hamas' Victory."
Malley contended the election of Hamas expressed Palestinian "anger at years of humiliation and loss of self-respect because of Israeli settlement expansion, Arafat's imprisonment, Israel's incursions, Western lecturing and, most recently and tellingly, the threat of an aid cutoff in the event of an Islamist success."
Malley said the U.S. should not "discourage third-party unofficial contacts with [Hamas] in an attempt to moderate it."
In an op-ed in the Washington Post in January coauthored by Arafat adviser Hussein Agha, Malley – using what could be perceived as anti-Israel language – urged Israel's negotiating partner, Abbas, to reunite with Hamas.
"A renewed national compact and the return of Hamas to the political fold would upset Israel's strategy of perpetuating Palestinian geographic and political division," wrote Malley.
He further petitioned Israel to hold talks with Hamas.
"An arrangement between Israel and Hamas could advance both sides' interests," Malley wrote.
In numerous other op-eds, Malley advocated a policy of engagement with Hamas.- Stryder81, on 04/11/2008, -3/+7Aaron " Klein "
Find me articles that aren't written by " Zionists " then we might have something.- RRJackson, on 04/11/2008, -6/+2Ah, so what you're really saying is that you don't mind prejudice as long as it's just good ol' antisemitism. Which is really the subtext of this election. Do we vote for Clinton or McCain, who are loyal to our allies in Israel? Or do we vote for Obama, who has sympathetic leanings towards Hamas and radical Islam? Because Obama will be more likely to end the war, since it's against people whose ideology he sympathizes with, even though it means abandoning the tactical outpost we've established to protect the flank of our Israeli allies (among other things, of course).
- Stryder81, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1That is the problem, you can't have a " Reasonable " debate or argument about " Israel, Zionism, etc " without someone throwing in the " Anti-Semitic or Holocaust words " to distort the points.
That is like an African American saying " It's because I'm black " to ruin every point made or about to be made when it has nothing to do with a persons ethnicity and everything to do their ideology.
Zionists are NOT traditional followers of Judaism, they are Atheistic Jews who ( like the Neo-Cons in the U.S. ) use their Nationalism and Faith for political gain and power, nothing more nor' less.
- Stryder81, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1That is the problem, you can't have a " Reasonable " debate or argument about " Israel, Zionism, etc " without someone throwing in the " Anti-Semitic or Holocaust words " to distort the points.
- RRJackson, on 04/11/2008, -6/+2Ah, so what you're really saying is that you don't mind prejudice as long as it's just good ol' antisemitism. Which is really the subtext of this election. Do we vote for Clinton or McCain, who are loyal to our allies in Israel? Or do we vote for Obama, who has sympathetic leanings towards Hamas and radical Islam? Because Obama will be more likely to end the war, since it's against people whose ideology he sympathizes with, even though it means abandoning the tactical outpost we've established to protect the flank of our Israeli allies (among other things, of course).
- Stryder81, on 04/11/2008, -3/+7Aaron " Klein "
- YodaJones, on 04/11/2008, -9/+3Whew, now that this is over you can get back to ironing my shirts Hillary, you trollop.
- sircomix, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1Who are you, John McCain?
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/11/2008, -8/+1Hmmmm. Let's see how this logic works.
Premises
1) Hillary can't/won't silence the media when it exposes the racist Wright.
2) Hillary can't/won't silence Bill Clinton, James Carville or Geraldine Ferraro.
Conclusions
A) Obama and Hillary are different.
B) Obama is a feminist.
Really? That's the logic? Interesting. - jaytek13, on 04/11/2008, -9/+0The only people who take the Huffington Post seriously anymore are already Obama supporters. The Huffington Post has managed to take political/liberal bias to a who new level. They are now officially worse than Fox News.
- petebot, on 04/11/2008, -0/+8The difference being that Huffington Post is an opinion web site, and Fox News is a news channel.
- malex, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3Actually, Huffington Post runs nearly as many pro-Clinton editorials as pro-Obama ones. So you're wrong there.
- hostingpursual, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8hillary should not be the first female president. if all the women who are voting for her only because she is a woman
are still sticking to her even after it all comes out about her being a liar,exaggerator,bitch and much more then they
are just stupid. They are willing to vote for any female to be president instead of a qualified female just to see a women
president before they die. selfish. - Nekura20x6, on 04/11/2008, -8/+1Elton John is right. The only reason these women support Obama is because they hate women. Misogynist jerks...
- brownrecluse888, on 04/11/2008, -6/+0Awesome, 2 obama stories in a row.....the Digg-Obama robot spiders are working in over time today. The above poster is correct, the ONLY way the Dems can win the general election is if they are on the same ticket which will unify the party, without that far too many dems will stay home.
As far as young women, or young people who support Obama, doesnt really matter, young people don't generally vote. The 18-26 has the lowest voter turnout, the same people that go to the rock star Obama rallies but are too hung over on Zima to show up to vote. Its the 60-74 year old crowd that ALWAYS votes.- muchachoburacho, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4Look at the primaries. That's not holding true.
- Gusbob, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1Look around you, its called CHANGE
- Julirocks, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8I'm so tired of telling people I'm a women's studies major and having people think I'm voting for HRC. I should pass this article around.
- Rizmaster, on 04/11/2008, -1/+7So even a sophomore in college can realize that Gloria Steinham is full of *****? There is hope after all.
- Stryder81, on 04/11/2008, -5/+1Basically in a nut shell it just sums up to what every other person, news source, etc. has said.
" He comes off as a nice guy, speaks well, seems to have a great character, etc etc. "
That is great and all, and just like Bill Clinton ( who was also * and still looks * as a nice guy )
he was bombing other countries while playing the Sax on Arsenio, Had Sanctions on Iraq ( that killed over 100+ people mostly children ) while he was shaking your hand and smiling.
These people all fail to look at their advisors ( or atleast tell in detail who they are ) they are the ones who will heavily influence the presidents decisions. - thatsmyaibo, on 04/11/2008, -6/+2Do young women want to vote Obama because it's the cool myspace thing to do?
- omegared, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2this comment is actually really smart if people think about it. , it show how people are trying categorize groups of people without look at the facts. For example, why do diggers think that if women that are feminist are voting for Hillary they are not smart or maybe they agree with her polices? Why is that Obama's supporters are starting to divide and insult people, Hillary supporters? For the record i support Obama but what is going on is interesting.
- Pherdnut, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Because while plenty of nasty stuff gets said on both sides, you won't find pro-Obama sites where misogyny is rampant like you will find Hill-dog supporter racism and hate at places like Taylor Marsh and the Clinton forums. Also, because I've never seen a nonidentity-oriented editorial on the situation, even from recent Obama converts that switched from Hillary. Hillary's diehards are embarrassing.
- Trails123, on 04/11/2008, -3/+0Gender and/or race do not determine one's character.
http://klintons.com
The Klintons are liars, cheats, and thieves!- Jawoodyablowme, on 04/11/2008, -3/+0It means everything. Thinking otherwise is naive.
This is America - on DIGG. Blacks can do no wrong, women should be in power, everyone is oppressed by the MAN.
- Jawoodyablowme, on 04/11/2008, -3/+0It means everything. Thinking otherwise is naive.
- Yoweigh, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4There's not a SINGLE Hillary supporter mouthing off in the comments after that article. I think they can't find anything to fault in it. Very impressive work by the author.
- citadelcap, on 04/11/2008, -4/+0STOP WITH THESE DAMN OBAMA POSTS ON DIGG.
IT"S ANNOYING. WE GET YOU LIKE OBAMA BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS TO LIKE HIM.- Pherdnut, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Support YOUR candidate then and shut up.
- buhbyebot, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1STOP? You want them to stop? You have a problem with free speech? The only thing I would like for you to do is STOP YELLING. It makes you look like a ***** idiot.
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