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Superdelegates Turned Down $1 Million Dollars From Donor
huffingtonpost.com — One of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top financial supporters offered $1 million to the Young Democrats of America during a phone conversation in which he also pressed for the organization's two uncommitted superdelegates to endorse the New York Democrat, a high-ranking official with YDA told The Huffington Post.
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- lsumed, on 05/19/2008, -2/+93I'm not surprised at all.
- FTWmovin2canada, on 05/19/2008, -5/+10I am... surprised that they turned it down, great ethics.
- jabberwolf, on 05/19/2008, -15/+3Coming from the Huffington post
are you surprised at anything?
Where is the bit about the army of darkness in the article or the new world order?
Might as well throw in Big Foot in the article - just as factual.- kurttrail, on 05/19/2008, -0/+8Better source of info than Fox, NewsMax, WorldNewsDaily, Townhall, the Washington Times....and the rest of the liars of a conservative bent.
- pintomp3, on 05/19/2008, -0/+7what do you have against worldnetdaily? are you saying soy doesn't make kids gay?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=533 ... - bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+6I read WorldNutDaily.
When I need a laugh.
- pintomp3, on 05/19/2008, -0/+7what do you have against worldnetdaily? are you saying soy doesn't make kids gay?
- kurttrail, on 05/19/2008, -0/+8Better source of info than Fox, NewsMax, WorldNewsDaily, Townhall, the Washington Times....and the rest of the liars of a conservative bent.
- HafizD, on 05/19/2008, -2/+108Talk about desperation.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 05/19/2008, -1/+6The guy who made the Power Rangers is trying to bribe Democrats?!?!?
- known, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Man is by nature a political animal. --Aristotle
- tcbishop12, on 05/19/2008, -1/+30Well, insiders state there's been laundered payola from the Clinton foundation to certain embedded folks in the MSM all along, so this attempt to buy 2 supers certainly doesn't surprise me either. What would be interesting is to hear about (and we won't - but it would be interesting to know for sure) is the supers who have accepted these Ickes brokered deals and have to keep quiet about it.
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -12/+2Would you also want to know the supers who have been purchased by Obama? Because his campaign has purchased quite a few of them.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -1/+6Citation, please.
Or are you pulling smears out of your ass, as usual?
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -1/+6Citation, please.
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -12/+2Would you also want to know the supers who have been purchased by Obama? Because his campaign has purchased quite a few of them.
- nolawi, on 05/19/2008, -4/+29this is ***** amazing! wow
- msjentay, on 05/19/2008, -0/+85Why is Clinton continuing to sully this race?
- MoralThreat, on 05/19/2008, -1/+5It's all she's good at?
- Gerz1219, on 05/19/2008, -2/+29Because deep down she really believes that she is owed the presidency after waiting her turn and putting up with decades of Republican smear tactics -- and how *dare* Obama come out of nowhere and take from her what she's rightfully earned?
When she formally drops out of the race, she's putting an end to her life's dream. That's why she's staying in as long as she can. Hillary's candidacy is a spectacular public display of grotesque delusion. - rmxz, on 05/19/2008, -0/+10Perhaps she wants the Republicans to win so she'd have another chance in 4 years; and perhaps she thinks the more she embarrasses the democrats the better chance that'd happen?
- 11b1p, on 05/19/2008, -8/+2because Obama is not exactly winning by mandate. Not that you would realize that from looking at digg alone.
- Gerz1219, on 05/19/2008, -0/+8If losing the popular vote by 500,000 votes while winning the electoral college by 200 votes is a mandate, then winning twice as many contests, half a million more votes, and 150 more delegates is a mandate. Obama is 16 points ahead in the latest national poll. Relentless bitchiness is not a viable metric for measuring a mandate.
- 11b1p, on 05/20/2008, -2/+1Tell me how many of the states he has won, would he win in the General Election
Now tell me how many of the states Hillary has won, would she win in the General Election.
Now compare the electoral college. If you want a Dem in the white house you need to vote Hillary.
Obama will MORE than be ready to take on the reins in 4-8 years. But the country is not ready for that yet. - jsmith39, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2@ 11b1p
I don't want 'a Dem' in the white house, I want the right person in the white house, that is not Hillary.
- 11b1p, on 05/20/2008, -2/+1Tell me how many of the states he has won, would he win in the General Election
- Gerz1219, on 05/19/2008, -0/+8If losing the popular vote by 500,000 votes while winning the electoral college by 200 votes is a mandate, then winning twice as many contests, half a million more votes, and 150 more delegates is a mandate. Obama is 16 points ahead in the latest national poll. Relentless bitchiness is not a viable metric for measuring a mandate.
- fluxingtontheIV, on 05/19/2008, -1/+9She's doing it for the single mother who never donates anything but gave her a donation. She's doing it for the little boy who sold his bicycle and all his video games so he could donate. She's doing it for the old lady sitting on her death bed who asks her daughter to get her an absentee ballot.
/sarcasm (it might be needed)- dsunshine1, on 05/19/2008, -0/+7i hope he didn't sell any good games!
- winampman2, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2Yeah.. that's probably how Hillary is looking at it now. Just to make herself feel better. And to justify campaigning until June. Problem for Hillary is, shes the only person who would care about a dumb kid who sold his ***** to help pay her debt. Everyone else just wants her to either shut up or help Barack.
- Spoomeister, on 05/19/2008, -0/+5That all depends on what the meaning of the word "sully" is.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+9Because if she can smear Obama badly enough, and get McCain elected, she'll be able to have her "I told you so" moment, and rally her run for 2012.
- hivoltage815, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2in my opinion, the best theory of them all to explain her actions of hurting the democrats and racking up the debt.
- grlykool, on 05/19/2008, -0/+12So how much did Ben Smith get?
- lsumed, on 05/19/2008, -0/+7He won't say.
- carnak11, on 05/19/2008, -0/+51Her campaign will do literally anything to put her in the White House, including working behind the scenes to get McCain elected this year so she can return like a bad dream in 2012.
- boiboi, on 05/19/2008, -0/+75"I have no ethical standards." Amy Poehler as Hilary on SNL.
- stillcool, on 05/19/2008, -1/+19Wonder how many others their paying off. No wonder why she's broke, and in the hole for 20 million.
- grlykool, on 05/19/2008, -0/+6At least 20 million in the hole!
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+4That's okay. Their household can make it up by sending Bill on a few speeches to tout NAFTA and free trade with countries that she insists it would be a bad idea to open free trade agreements with.
$400k a pop.
Easy to make it back.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+4That's okay. Their household can make it up by sending Bill on a few speeches to tout NAFTA and free trade with countries that she insists it would be a bad idea to open free trade agreements with.
- ColonelJessup, on 05/19/2008, -11/+1Huh, huh, huh........... Hillary's "hole"................. huh, huh, huh.........
- ColonelJessup, on 05/19/2008, -5/+0Oh come on, that was funny. Apparently no one has seen Beavis and Butthead?
- DrLeePhD, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3I think you mean to say that you wonder how many others THEY'RE paying off.
- grlykool, on 05/19/2008, -0/+6At least 20 million in the hole!
- TheTruthHurts, on 05/19/2008, -3/+43you can read all about him here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Saban and not surprisingly he is a television and media proprietor from Israel
- paulvq, on 05/19/2008, -0/+9His company was responsible for bringing Power Rangers to the US.
Childhood me thanks him. Grown up me hates the bribes. - Archer007, on 05/20/2008, -3/+1People seem to be bashing Israel a lot on this site. It is illegal and unseemly when foreign countries can influence this election, but ensuring the continued existence of Israel is a challenge in and of itself. They are a country the size of NJ that has been invade multiple times, and those invasions only stopped when they got nukes. They are constantly fighting a war against enemies or proxy groups on all sides whose stated goal is to destroy them. So, cut them a little slack for cozying up to the US - but don't let them have undue influence.
- paulvq, on 05/19/2008, -0/+9His company was responsible for bringing Power Rangers to the US.
- Galvan, on 05/19/2008, -18/+8The Clintons are slimebags! It's that simple! I never voted for Bill Clinton in the 1990's. I did not vote for Hellary Rotten Clinton in 2008! The Clintons have lost what little respect I had for them. They have destroyed themselves and maybe even the Democratic Party in 2008. We will see if their damage can be overcome. The Clintons never fooled me! I'm from TEXAS.
James Partsch-Galvan
www.mayorgalvan.com (713)528-2607- ColonelJessup, on 05/19/2008, -5/+2You are a Mayor? You sound like a typical basement dwelling digger.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+5Yeee-Haw!
Gay hatin', trespasser shootin', bible thumpin' Texas!
The nation has already been ***** over enough by Texas politicians.- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2What's ironic about your comment is that, that "Galvanize for Galvin" video has him sounding campy enough to register on orbital gaydar.
Which is fine, and all, but very, very ironic for a Texan.
*sees "my ex spouse, Richard Partsch"* Oh, he is gay. Well, that explains the gaydar ping.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2What's ironic about your comment is that, that "Galvanize for Galvin" video has him sounding campy enough to register on orbital gaydar.
- bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Hey, this is cute. "Galvanize for Galvin".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-807937613 ...
And I almost thought this site was a joke.
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/Galvanism1998/
Until I saw this
www.mayorgalvan.com
Is this one for real?
http://www.migente.com/Galvan/
You've got some trendy music tastes. Do you use a Mac?
http://www.pandora.com/people/galvan
Here's the best way to meet Houston Liberals like James Partsch-Galvan…
http://liberal.meetup.com/cities/us/tx/houston/557 ...
So you're liberal now?
I felt bad for Tammy-Faye too. But I didn't wish death upon those who didn't.
http://www.punkplanet.com/tags/james_partsch_galva ...
You didn't answer this.
http://ctchouston.org/advocacy/05q3alternatives.sh ...
What DO you feel about mass transit?
How quant, a Clinton death-list posted to Galvin.org
http://www.mail-archive.com/cia-drugs@yahoogroups. ...
This quite makes me think you're 100% insane.
"James Partsch-Galvan:
Are we also gonna see the death and birth of new global political systems by 2012? I believe that Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism are all failed systems of the Old Age 20th Century. I believe in Galvanism. Galvanists are galvanizing the globe. Galvanism will galvanize to victory in this New Age 21 Century. Houston/Galveston is the birthplace of New Age Galvanism. A Global Political, Social, and Economic System for a New Age Man! - We are seeing the beginnings of it right now here in Houston/Galveston where so many of the victims of Hurricane Katrina have come. We have see the extremes of people from Barbara Bush's insensitve remarks about the victims to the many, many people who have given so much of themselves. - I think the great galvanic global galvolution has begun here in Houston/Galveston. - Please galvanize and vote for James Partsch-Galvan for Houston City Council At-Large Position #3 November 8, 2005 (713)528-2607 "
http://www.survive2012.com/bast_theory.php?comment ...
Funny. I was able to find all of this information, but not ONE link about your platform, besides your horrendously designed Ron Paul themed web page.
Are the people in your district morons? Need I say more about Texas politics? - bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2And yes, I know there were a few spelling errors in there, but I didn't fix them because it would screw up the links posted.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2Actually, Digg seems to be preserving longer links now.
- bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Awesome! Thanks for pointing that out.. :)
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2Actually, Digg seems to be preserving longer links now.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3May I ask, sir, what is Galvanism? You allude to it on your web presences, but fail to define it. I can only find the scientific definitions* via google search.
I'm not asking as a matter of sarcasm - I honestly want to know what idea you thought was good enough to brand with your own name.
* biology: the contraction of a muscle that is stimulated by an electric current.
chemistry: the induction of electrical current from a chemical reaction, typically between two chemicals with differing electronegativites. - Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2By the by, if you want a model for decentralized galvanization toward action, look to Anonymous.
- imacbook, on 05/19/2008, -23/+7Why are my fellow Americans so dumb?
If you use the dollar sign ($) then using the word "dollars" or "dollar" too is inaccurate. The title of this topic currently reads "Superdelegates Turned Down 1 Million Dollars Dollars From Donor".
You make yourself look almost as stupid as the people who say "Pin number" and "ATM machine".- soot, on 05/19/2008, -3/+17I say PIN number and ATM machine.
- andretii, on 05/19/2008, -5/+16he uses a mac = must be better than us
- Pyehole, on 05/19/2008, -4/+10Pull the stick out of your ass.
- arch3r, on 05/19/2008, -1/+7And who made you the head of the Department of Redundant Redundancies Department? :D
btw: I'm from Jersey, I call it a MAC machine.- stonewaljacksn, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1HAHA! oh man Im from Jersey too and I totally forgot my Hudson County days when we called it a MAC machine. Apparently here in middlesex it's ATM.
- provost, on 05/19/2008, -2/+5when I refer to atm machine, i am actually referring to your mother as an ass-to-mouth machine.
Lighten the hell up.- unclecaveman, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2provost wins.
- damndj, on 05/19/2008, -22/+12My level of trust of the Huffington Post: 0
- NinjaBoy, on 05/19/2008, -1/+30OK this is a dumb question. But isn't this illegal? I mean giving someone money to change the way they vote. Not just anyone either, but a Superdelegate!
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -11/+6You do realize these aren't true "elections", right? This is nothing more than a process of the democratic party.
And for the record, many superdelegates have been "purchased". Not just by Hillary, but by Obama as well.- jamesLankford, on 05/19/2008, -3/+7of course these are true elections,
and where is your proof that many superdelegates have been purchased by Hillary and Obama- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -4/+6No...primaries DO NOT fall under federal election laws, and craptastic things, such as superdelegates, an internal function of the democratic party, have no relation to federal election laws. It's crap the Democrats made up...otherwise, how do you think democrats can disenfranchise every democrat who voted in Florida and Michigan...because the party makes the rules, not the federal government.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintel ...
How's that grab you? And Obama has been way more generous with the cash than Clinton. - RoflCoptah, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3finally someone with balls to admit obama is not perfect. i mean im pro obama, but we cant all be so onesided about this, how about some fairness? or am i asking too much from diggers?
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -4/+6No...primaries DO NOT fall under federal election laws, and craptastic things, such as superdelegates, an internal function of the democratic party, have no relation to federal election laws. It's crap the Democrats made up...otherwise, how do you think democrats can disenfranchise every democrat who voted in Florida and Michigan...because the party makes the rules, not the federal government.
- jamesLankford, on 05/19/2008, -3/+7of course these are true elections,
- Gerz1219, on 05/19/2008, -2/+24Unclear. If a bunch of kids are holding elections for treehouse president, it's not illegal for one candidate to offer a pack of jelly beans in exchange for a vote. Since political parties are technically private organizations, primary seasons exist in an uncomfortable middle ground -- they are private in the sense that they are not directly administered by the government, but public in the sense that either a Democrat or Republican will inevitably become president. The FEC doesn't regulate primary season as strictly as general elections for this reason. Superdelegates have never really been in a position to override the pledged delegate leader, so this has never been an issue.
The funny thing is, it's illegal to offer a primary voter cash in exchange for their vote. But it's probably legal to offer a superdelegate money for their vote, and a superdelegate is worth about 30,000 voters. - atticus8, on 05/20/2008, -0/+7I wish someone asked the more basic question: shouldn't the concept of superdelegates be illegal? Or at least thrown out as total idiocy? I'll not even examine the very obvious question of how you reconcile such a concept in a democracy that tries to convince people that each individual vote matters: "hey buddy, your vote equals a good hundred thousand of us normal folks, because you are just super!" Why not bring back a council of barons and the landed gentry while we are at it?
No, my real problem with it is entirely practical. If superdelegates are just going to go with whatever the people decided the democratic primaries and caucuses, then why have them at all? If superdelegates are NOT going to go with whatever the people decided, then, from what I am hearing on the news and from what I believe in my mind, people will (rightly) go ***** by the fact that the superdelegates overturned the popular will.
But no one believes that is going to happen. That's why everyone feels safe saying "Obama will be the nominee"... because it's so outrageous to be practically unthinkable. So, again, why even have them?- RussellDovey, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1It's an internal mechanism of a political party, not an official part of the government. They can choose their candidate however they like. Those who lose can still run for president, they just won't have the power of a major party behind them.
- winampman2, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1I think most people in the party realize its stupid, but its hard to change. There are so many rules and regulations that have already been made concerning this system. Its like trying to get rid of inches/feet/miles and replacing it with the metric system. Not gonna happen in the US without a lot of work.
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -11/+6You do realize these aren't true "elections", right? This is nothing more than a process of the democratic party.
- Zlorp, on 05/19/2008, -0/+15this delegate/superdelegate thing is *****. they leave the REAL decision up to a handful of people whom they can more easily convince or dare i say bribe. its almost like they're afraid the voters themselves might pick the "wrong" person.
- Aikidi, on 05/19/2008, -3/+1Right, because the popular vote in the last primary yielded a winning candidate. Thats why its a good thing the majority of dems picked john ker....whoops
and bushy didnt even steal that won - marx2k, on 05/19/2008, -0/+4I give you the years 2000 and 2004
- StarlessKnight, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Then why didn't they pick the "right" person if you're implying the voters picked the "wrong" one in 2000 and 2004? Otherwise are you suggesting they did pick them in which case substantiating Zlorp's lament?
- marx2k, on 05/21/2008, -0/+0I'm suggesting that if you leave it up to the emotions of voters, they will pick the wrong one almost every time.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Then why didn't they pick the "right" person if you're implying the voters picked the "wrong" one in 2000 and 2004? Otherwise are you suggesting they did pick them in which case substantiating Zlorp's lament?
- mbraynard, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2If one of these two candidates still runner was strong enough, the SDs wouldn't be an issue at all. The SDs have never come close to deciding an election.
They weren't created to decide elections, either. They were created so that the common Democrat activist wouldn't have to run against his own elected officials for a chance to attend the national convention.
As a college student, I ran for a National Delegate slot at my state Republican Convention. *Every* slot to the national convention actually went to an elected official or a former governor - except one that went to the boss of the state's Christian Coalition.
I would much rather have had these 'super delegate' slots take the elected officials out of competition. (Though the quota system for gays, women, teacher, racial minorities, and cripples that the Dems have would not be helpful to me).
- Aikidi, on 05/19/2008, -3/+1Right, because the popular vote in the last primary yielded a winning candidate. Thats why its a good thing the majority of dems picked john ker....whoops
- Schmapdi, on 05/19/2008, -2/+15You know, I've been wondering who these few superdelegates are that Clinton has picked up lately - surely they are smart enough to tell which way the wind is blowing? Maybe we need to cross-reference a list of recent Clinton superdelegates with a list of recent Yaught purchasers.
- Kyan, on 05/19/2008, -3/+8Wow, I thought I'd seen most of the Intertubes' misspelt words. Apparently naught. Thanks, I doug you.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -3/+1Wow, I thought I'd seen most of the Intertube's grammar nazis.
Apparently not.- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Hey, I'm one of them!
Though, I'm usually passive in my grammar nazism; that is, I'll correct the quotes in a post I'm replying to in brackets, to illustrate where the error was.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Hey, I'm one of them!
- Schmapdi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+5No he's right, I did butcher yacht for some reason. Guess its just not a word I use often...
- bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -2/+1Very true. Misspellings happen.
I just find grammar nazis to be FAR more annoying than a misspelled word or two.
Sometimes people can't help avoid an error or two. (the true dumb-asses stand out though). But people CAN avoid being an insufferable ass because someone else made a typo. - sryan8913, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2"
Sometimes people can't help avoid an error or two."
Just sayin' - bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Hey, kinda my point.
- bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -2/+1Very true. Misspellings happen.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -3/+1Wow, I thought I'd seen most of the Intertube's grammar nazis.
- Kyan, on 05/19/2008, -3/+8Wow, I thought I'd seen most of the Intertubes' misspelt words. Apparently naught. Thanks, I doug you.
- Lyk4n, on 05/19/2008, -1/+8Who needs the Clintons any more?
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+7Israel.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -1/+2Ah.
I had been wondering why I had blocked you; much of what you say I agree with, and I don't usually use the block button errantly.
I had probably blocked you for overzealous use of the term 'zionism' or some such nonsense, mistaking it, at the time, for anti-semitism.
But it's ok. I get now that there's a crazy fundie notion that Israel must be supported at all costs to enable the apocolypse, or some other such tripe (you can never really get a clear picture of crazies).
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -1/+2Ah.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+7Israel.
- Woaz, on 05/19/2008, -2/+14I wasn't aware that she had the funds to bribe superdelegates.
- dilton7, on 05/19/2008, -2/+20Does this explain the 21million in debts ?
- mach32, on 05/19/2008, -12/+5fabricated story
- ftc68, on 05/19/2008, -3/+7what evidence do you have to support your statement?
and don't say intuition or gut instincts. those things can guide an idea, but don't serve as legitimate evidence.- PolishLogic, on 05/19/2008, -3/+2Maybe he's got the same type of evidence that you have to support that this story is true: independant unnamed sources.
I'd buy the story a bit more if the sources made their name known. Easiest tactic of printing *****: "unnamed sources say", or "people are saying". Most stories that end up with retractions often cite unnamed sources, they're unnamed because either there are none, or the sources are full of *****.
- PolishLogic, on 05/19/2008, -3/+2Maybe he's got the same type of evidence that you have to support that this story is true: independant unnamed sources.
- breadfred, on 05/19/2008, -3/+5Thanks for providing back-up for your enlightening statement.
- msjentay, on 05/19/2008, -1/+2The Clinton's behavior throughout this campaign and their entire, scandalous political careers for that matter, is proof enough. If someone told me tomorrow that they'd kidnapped and threatened to cook a superdelegate's kitten for a vote I'd believe it - no proof or photos required! They're brilliant but deeply, deeply flawed and dishonest.
- ftc68, on 05/19/2008, -3/+7what evidence do you have to support your statement?
- jabberwolf, on 05/19/2008, -17/+10"TOLD THE HUFFINGTON POST"
Might as well insert " the fairies dust told me it was true! " - iamnotrich, on 05/19/2008, -8/+6coming from the huffington agh
- ethornquist, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1You know where Huffington's coming from.
And you sure know where Fox's coming from.
People have a right to give their opinion. Get over it.
- ethornquist, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1You know where Huffington's coming from.
- glucoseboy, on 05/19/2008, -1/+6Who's your Power Ranger baby?
Yes, it's that Saban. - thepeacemaker, on 05/19/2008, -1/+12I used to wonder what has Israel done (besides bombing our navy ship, spying on us, illegal occupation, etc) that they are our "closest ally and best friend in the world", if our politicians are to be believed. Well now I know - when it comes to our politicians, they simply out-bribe everyone else...
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+9They've done nothing for us. They're defended because of that damned ancient storybook. And because of WWII, if you don't agree with everything they say, and do everything you can do to help their lives, you're anti-Semitic.
Don't believe me? Ask two of their most vocal mouthpieces.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/- StarlessKnight, on 05/20/2008, -1/+1What wonderful and not-so-enlightening links.
- bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Hardcore Ziontologists.
What do you expect?
- bjornski, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Hardcore Ziontologists.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3I don't really get that assertion. In fact, I never seem to fall under it, at least not in real life.
One of my better friends, Noggah, is a devout Jew, travels to Israel at least yearly, etc. He doesn't even bat an eye when I question the asserted responsibility of the US to baby Israel. He actually has conceded that perhaps support of Israel should weigh more heavily on the many and strongly funded zionist charitable groups, and not so much on the taxpayer's dime.
Of course, he's an ex art student from New York, so yeah - probably a little more progressively minded than some of the overzealously pro-Israel pundits out there.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/20/2008, -1/+1What wonderful and not-so-enlightening links.
- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+9They've done nothing for us. They're defended because of that damned ancient storybook. And because of WWII, if you don't agree with everything they say, and do everything you can do to help their lives, you're anti-Semitic.
- chrissku, on 05/19/2008, -3/+11Yea Hillary that's the way to do it...if you can't beat Obama fair and square try buying your way into the nomination. I can't understand why 60% of Americans think you're untrustworthy?
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -3/+3Are you saying Obama hasn't done the exact same thing? Because he has...but I suppose it is "fair and square" when Obama does it, no?
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintel ...- bjornski, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2Thank you for the citation this time.
- sryan8913, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1"superdelegates have received about $890,000 from Obama and Clinton in the form of campaign contributions over the last three years"
that doesn't even add up to the bribe claimed in the Huffington Post which was a single instance- badqat, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Oh...so it's the amount of the bribe that matters, not the fact that super delegates are for sale, nor the fact that both candidates have purchased them? Rich stuff! Gotta love the selective morals!
Besides...the one claimed in the Huff-and-puff Post isn't the Clinton campaign doing it, but a third party doing it. - Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Also the time span. In the last three years? That includes time when Obama and Clinton didn't even know they'd be running. This seems more like political inter-backscratching than campaign scandal.
A detailed breakdown of when these contributions occurred would be salient. - sryan8913, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1It's not selective morals its the fact that they are 'campaign contributions', which could mean anything and probably isn't anything as serious as a 1 million dollar bribe to TWO super delegates.
890,000 dollars worth of campaign contributions from BOTH campaigns combined to ALL the super delegates combined over the course of 3 years is a really small number and is indicative of standard American political procedure whereas a 1 million dollar bribe from, not Hillary Clinton, but one of her major contributors is indicative of Hillary Clinton catering strongly to large donors who are apparently desperate to see her running things for their benefit.
- badqat, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Oh...so it's the amount of the bribe that matters, not the fact that super delegates are for sale, nor the fact that both candidates have purchased them? Rich stuff! Gotta love the selective morals!
- allengeer, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1They are contributions from PACs, not the campaigns nor the candidates.
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -3/+3Are you saying Obama hasn't done the exact same thing? Because he has...but I suppose it is "fair and square" when Obama does it, no?
- tacklebox, on 05/19/2008, -2/+10turned down 1mil. Accepted 2mil.
- Kyan, on 05/19/2008, -2/+11A note to all ObamaMight Diggers: if you want to show the Young Democratss how much you really respect their decision ot not take this alleged bribe, send them a donation. 40,000 people giving 25$ will match the $1m they gave up to save their ethics.
Surely, this can be done as easily as a Ron Paul money bomb.- Kyan, on 05/19/2008, -0/+3five minutes is still not enough. :P
Here is the link:
http://www.yda.org/
Click on Contribute Today.- mali7, on 05/20/2008, -0/+0Hey, I am giving to YDA and NARAL too, right now! Thanks, why didn't I think of that. Go Obama. I am staying up all night in honor of Tuesday, May 20, 2008. The Night they tore ole Dixie Down, along with Hillary, and thank G_D Bill too.
- kbondelli, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2Great idea.
- ethornquist, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Good line
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Damned good idea. Doing it now.
- Kyan, on 05/19/2008, -0/+3five minutes is still not enough. :P
- strathound, on 05/19/2008, -2/+6I don't doubt this is true. In fact, I bet it's prevalent. However, anything from the Huffington Post should be considered ... biased. As always, it pays to check your sources and be a little suspicious of articles that come from partisan camps like this.
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -6/+2Not only is it a prevalent practice, but it's been done by Obama as well.
- ethornquist, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1[strathound] anything from the Huffington Post / Fox News should be considered ... biased. As always, it pays to check your sources and be a little suspicious of articles that come from partisan camps like this. [/agreed]
And now for something completely different -
VOTE COOLIDGE. HE'S DEAD.- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Eh, I've had enough ancient, near dead politicians for my life. No need to go one step further. Vote Maddox Chivan Jolie-Pitt in 2008!
- TheZorch, on 05/19/2008, -6/+1Uh, what that guy did was illegal. Its is a felony to try and buy votes for a Presidential Election.
- badqat, on 05/19/2008, -0/+5Uh, your understanding of election law is seriously flawed. Superdelegates are nothing more than an internal function in use by Democrats, and are in no way related to federal election laws.
- insonh, on 05/19/2008, -9/+4it doesn't matter who gets elected
we are officially a 3rd world ***** hole and have been since Ted Kennedy got elected in the 60's and started revamping the immigration system.
before then you actually had to have a sponsor before you got into the country who had to take care of you so you wouldn't be a burden on the tax payers.
anyone who thinks any of these clowns will do whats in the best interest of the people who pay the bills is either high or a complete moron
its over, done, the USA doesn't exists and hasn't for some time, the sooner everyone realizes that and starts talking to one another instead of screaming Libtard this, Repug that and throws every last one of these assholes out of office along with their cronies the sooner we can start over again and maybe, just maybe our kids might have a chance.
but somehow i don't think that's going to happen and in 4 years some other ***** will be coning you into believing they will change the system.
but don't worry you'll still have all the important things like
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
rock of love and flavor flave
the Hills
and all the other mindless ***** that important to you- crapmatic, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1You made some good points... your Diggs would have been higher though if you praised Obama in there somewhere, though.
- ethornquist, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1[QUOTE]it doesn't matter who gets elected[/QUOTE]
ya sure about that??
[QUOTE] we are officially a 3rd world ***** hole [/QUOTE]
You ever walked through Delhi? Pranced through the Philipine countryside? Think again. 3rd world my ass!! You may not like America, but I would rather be here than anywhere else.
[QUOTE]before then you actually had to have a sponsor before you got into the country who had to take care of you so you wouldn't be a burden on the tax payers.[/QUOTE]
Did the illegal immigrant send the troops and a half-billion a day to Iraq? I think you're confused, son. And you'd better thank the liberal immigration laws. They do jobs that would otherwise be yours.
[QUOTE] anyone who thinks any of these clowns will do whats in the best interest of the people who pay the bills is either high or a complete moron [/QUOTE]
Voters are, unfortunately, not drug tested. In some counties, however, they are discouraged from voting.
[QUOTE] its over, done, the USA doesn't exists and hasn't for some time[/QUOTE]
does grammar exist for you?!?
[QUOTE], the sooner everyone realizes that and starts talking to one another instead of screaming Libtard this, Repug that and throws every last one of these assholes out of office along with their cronies the sooner we can start over again and maybe, just maybe our kids might have a chance. [/QUOTE]
In the Philipines you can buy a cola for six pesos? Really! Move there and see. Talk is key, I will grant you that, but in the Philipines or in India, you will have all day to talk.
[QUOTE] but somehow i don't think that's going to happen and in 4 years some other ***** will be coning you into believing they will change the system. [/QUOTE]
By "*****", I am guessing you mean McCain will run again in '12 after losing in '08? Will he re-start the "Straight Talk Express" hooey? Great!!
Or is "Obama" the *****? Here's what's funny-though you make a few good points, your post makes YOU the *****.
[QUOTE] but don't worry you'll still have all the important things like
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
rock of love and flavor flave
the Hills
and all the other mindless ***** that important to you [/QUOTE]
You forgot America's Best Dance Crew, which is a most excellent show. Especially watched backwards on Tivo. - allengeer, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1i think you might be best served actually going to a third world ***** and realizing how ***** good you have it here.
I'm sure the poor people of Myanmar think that the US is a third world ***** hole. I bet when they walk down a street full of places to eat, or visit a doctor who actually can cure their ills, or just a basic thing like a public restroom they think what a third world ***** hole this is.
You ignorant *****. You are a scourge to humanity, like a pest that invades a beautiful garden, gnawing away for your own insolent selfish desire.
- kemp34, on 05/19/2008, -1/+2These folks are trash.
- Grumps, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2Politic = Bribe
- Scheissen, on 05/19/2008, -11/+5Huffingtonpost? haha shows how accurate this obamaspam is.
- gr3yn3t, on 05/19/2008, -2/+3name an instance where they've been wrong.
Biased? Yes.
Wrong? No.
- gr3yn3t, on 05/19/2008, -2/+3name an instance where they've been wrong.
- KomaSutra, on 05/19/2008, -8/+2I guess that means Obama's camp offered them 2 MILLION. After all, it is ALL about money. I mean its not like the American Peoples vote actually means anything now does it!
http://www.iurlz.com/demtools- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1No spamming! Bad Digger!
- firewall1, on 05/19/2008, -5/+6Enough - FFS - with the Huffingtonpost! Aren't there other sources that Diggers can use for Obama/Clinton/McCain news? About 1/4-1/2 of political link clicks I've committed here go straight to a Huffingtonpost article...
So many people here whine and complain about MSM being biased - well, the Huffingtonpost isn't?
Start using different sources please - this is ridiculous.- TecK415, on 05/19/2008, -2/+2Did something happen with this, did they make up stories?
- jbenson2, on 05/19/2008, -8/+3Prove it!
- TecK415, on 05/19/2008, -3/+4Add bribery to the list of all the slimy ***** that has gown down in Hillary Clintons campaign .
- TecK415, on 05/19/2008, -1/+1Gone***
- TecK415, on 05/19/2008, -1/+1I'm reading these comments, did the huffingtonpost make up stories? What's goin on?
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1No, the Huffington Post has not made up anything. They, while drawing vitriol from some Diggers for being biased towards the left, are factually correct, and take pains to get that way.
They do, on occasion, omit some of the story - but this usually is only when a story is strongly controversial, and I believe it comes more from having a higher proportion of left wing sources than intentional omission.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1No, the Huffington Post has not made up anything. They, while drawing vitriol from some Diggers for being biased towards the left, are factually correct, and take pains to get that way.
- majortom1981, on 05/19/2008, -9/+3Why do people continue to beleive the huffington post?
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Accuracy. Yes, HuffPost is a pundit soapbox. That aside, they do check their facts, unlike some pundit soapboxes I could mention.
*cough*foxnews*cough*
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Accuracy. Yes, HuffPost is a pundit soapbox. That aside, they do check their facts, unlike some pundit soapboxes I could mention.
- Spoomeister, on 05/19/2008, -1/+9He reportedly held the pinky of his right hand up to the corner of his mouth, while offering it.
Yes, they could tell, even during a phone conference. - FLUX, on 05/19/2008, -7/+5huffingtonpost =weekly world news
Im waiting for bat boy on main page - runCMD, on 05/19/2008, -8/+2laughing-out-loud at all the crap you guys believe.
- junkwheel, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1How about the DNC comes up with a better way to be able to pick a candidate should the primaries not do it?
The superdelegate system is *****. ***** thing sucks.- allengeer, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1WE'LL DO IT LIVE!
- viper001, on 05/20/2008, -0/+0Figures that the man behind Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers would support a dinosaur like Hillary.
- Sogladtobehere, on 05/20/2008, -1/+2American democracy at work. Why do the Democrats not boot her from the party for letting this go unanswered. If Hillary was any kind of leader, she would return this guys money despite her debt. She should say "Thanks for coming out, but that's not democracy."
- hiriumi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3How is this not a bribe?
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3A bribe is a payment to a government official to deliver a governmental favor that he has no right to deliver. As 'superdelegate' is not a governmental position, but a position of the democratic party - a private entity - this cannot be legally considered a bribe attempt.
There may be something in the democratic party bylaws about exchange of payments for votes, but I have not read the bylaws, and am thus unaware of it.
If anyone feels like doing the research here, I'd be happy to know. I'm not interested enough to look it up myself, as Clinton's no longer truly in the race - but it would be illuminating.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3A bribe is a payment to a government official to deliver a governmental favor that he has no right to deliver. As 'superdelegate' is not a governmental position, but a position of the democratic party - a private entity - this cannot be legally considered a bribe attempt.
- SaYork, on 05/20/2008, -1/+1I am finally beginning to have a little respect for politicians.
- MaXPL, on 05/20/2008, -9/+3wow STFU you queer hippie Obama followers. the guy stares at the podium for his words whilst hillary actually speaks with confidence. thats all i care from a leader, not bubu bu bu bu change. a guy stares at a podium and recites the word change a million times and you queers thing he's god.
- dizzythegreat, on 05/20/2008, -0/+4"queer" count: 2
"hippie" used as an insult: yes
grammar: no
internet abbreviation: yes
Wow, according to this, YOU'RE A DOUCHEBAG. Just thought you should know.- Gemfinder, on 05/20/2008, -0/+4And the lack of capitalization when using the first person nominative would make him a tin-plated douchebag.
That is all. - Crisender111, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2Good one!
- Gemfinder, on 05/20/2008, -0/+4And the lack of capitalization when using the first person nominative would make him a tin-plated douchebag.
- allengeer, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3wow what an articulate argument.
- Fordi, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2You can be faulted for failing to listen. Others cannot be faulted for understanding what you fail to.
- Gemfinder, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2I'm gonna print that comment out and frame it...next to LadyAmerica's thoroughly-researched case that Barack is the Anti-Christ and WestVirginiaRebel's cross-eyed chinless screaming rant on the WaPo blog. Just to remind myself that Americans can, indeed, sink ever deeper into mind-numbing idiocy.
- Crisender111, on 05/20/2008, -0/+3LOL. WTF? Thats all you want from your leader? He/She should speak with confidence?
Actors speaks with confidence. Maybe Tom Cruise can be your leader. I hear he follows an *awesome* cult which needs people like you.- thecatcantalk, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Hey, it worked for Reagan.
- dizzythegreat, on 05/20/2008, -0/+4"queer" count: 2
- ozodin, on 05/20/2008, -1/+1Saban, in a 2004 New York Times interview[3], ascribed his interest in politics to his concern for Israel: "I'm a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel."[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Saban#Concern_fo ...
You guys still wonder why you attacked Iraq? Or why Clinton vowed to destroy Iran if they touch Israel? Seriously. - Somedude2137, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2huffingtonpost is reporting this??? nahhhhhhh, can't be
- RyanMJohnson, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Is it just me or is $1 Million Dollars a little redundant?
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