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Ron Paul Passes Fred Thompson In NH
usatoday.com — Ron Paul is now at 9% according to USA Today/Gallup, as opposed to 4% for Fred Thompson.
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- truthstream, on 12/21/2007, -5/+15Whats more, he is TIED with Huckabee (9%) and just 2 points behind McCain (11%)
- kazamx, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1But then there is a BIG jump to get any higher.. 3rd would be pretty sweet though.
- truthstream, on 12/21/2007, -3/+6oops - my mistake - he is 2 points behind Giuliani, not McCain
- jeanine22, on 12/21/2007, -9/+20my friend in NH was phone polled 4 times and only once Ron Paul was listed and even then at the very end after Tancredo and Hunter! polls are fixed....
- Minarchian, on 12/21/2007, -7/+22My mother was polled and Paul was NOT listed.
- reed311, on 12/21/2007, -13/+9I was polled and Ron Poll was listed. See, it's easy to make ***** up.
The problem with your conspiracy theory that is if Ron Paul wasn't included, he would be at zero percent. BTW, bitching about him being at the end is stupid. If someone truly supports Paul, they will wait until all the choices are read before voting. I mean, come on, do you think people are just going to randomly vote for a name before all of them are read?- Minarchian, on 12/21/2007, -6/+8You want to call my mother a liar to my face?
I didn't say conspiracy. You did.- chaosium, on 12/21/2007, -7/+5Sure, why not.
- metapop, on 12/21/2007, -5/+11"my friend in NH was phone polled 4 times and only once Ron Paul was listed..."
that might clear it up for you. if the polls aren't all the same, he may not be on some, but is on others. anyone applying common sense will know that polls aren't accurate. how inaccurate are they? we have no way of knowing. i think everyone's going to be quite surprised how well RP does in NH...- metapop, on 12/21/2007, -3/+5apparently, zogby agrees with me.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Zogby_Ron_Paul_W ...
- metapop, on 12/21/2007, -3/+5apparently, zogby agrees with me.
- understudy, on 12/21/2007, -2/+4Just because he is listed once, doesn't mean he is listed always. Likewise, just because he is not listed once doesn't mean he isn't ever listed. The problem is the inconsistency can do nothing other than hurt his numbers—whether in one poll or the poll averages.
_ - katie212, on 12/21/2007, -2/+3Don't you ever get tired of having your comments read only once before being DUG Down & BURIED you simpleton? You must like it...lol..!
- Minarchian, on 12/21/2007, -6/+8You want to call my mother a liar to my face?
- reed311, on 12/21/2007, -13/+9I was polled and Ron Poll was listed. See, it's easy to make ***** up.
- Minarchian, on 12/21/2007, -7/+22My mother was polled and Paul was NOT listed.
- truthstream, on 12/21/2007, -3/+18They just showed this poll on MSNBC - they showed Romney, McCain, Giuliani and HUCKABEE - not Paul even though he is tied with Huckabee...so I guess Huckabee with 9% has a chance in NH, but Paul with 9% does not!
- Todamont, on 12/21/2007, -6/+24They will sure be surprised when Paul gets like 60% of the votes.
- reed311, on 12/21/2007, -7/+6Nah, I think you'll be the one who is more surprised; since you seem to disregard all conventional logic. You need to stop looking at facts in a biased matter. 60%?? I mean, seriously, are you even old enough to vote?
- Ineedanap, on 12/21/2007, -0/+10He is unlinkely to get 60%, however over 30% is not. Ron Paul has won more straw polls than any other Republican candidate- He has massive support from people who( not LISTEN to this part- because its the important part) BELIEVE IN HIS MESSAGE AND HIM. Those are people who WILL turn out, who WILL get others to turn out, and who very possibly could change the face of American Politics in the next few weeks.
Poll numbers do not support his Money numbers- Im sorry, but I have Just as much of a problem with Mccains POLL numbers- the man cannot raise enough money to run and must use federal matching funds and LOANS !!! This is the exact opposite of Paul. Something is fishy in NH- and it aint the lobster. - katie212, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3There you go talking about "Logic" again, when logically you will be "Buried" for your spam ...so who is using "Logic" here? ...Hilarious!!
- Ineedanap, on 12/21/2007, -0/+10He is unlinkely to get 60%, however over 30% is not. Ron Paul has won more straw polls than any other Republican candidate- He has massive support from people who( not LISTEN to this part- because its the important part) BELIEVE IN HIS MESSAGE AND HIM. Those are people who WILL turn out, who WILL get others to turn out, and who very possibly could change the face of American Politics in the next few weeks.
- kazamx, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Paul won't do as well as many supporters think. We know for a fact he has the support, but most of it can't be bothered joining the republican party. In recent polls during events in NH and Iowa only 1/4 were going to be able to vote. That means for every 10 people who vote ron paul another 30 can't because they haven't registered.
- reed311, on 12/21/2007, -7/+6Nah, I think you'll be the one who is more surprised; since you seem to disregard all conventional logic. You need to stop looking at facts in a biased matter. 60%?? I mean, seriously, are you even old enough to vote?
- plugman, on 12/21/2007, -1/+6If I've read the poll correctly,
Ron Paul is at 9% of "the people who aren't certain" (i.e., 9% of 43%),
and 5/57ths (8.8%) of the other 57%.
In all, that works out to about 9%. - JlmAWP, on 12/21/2007, -0/+5We should start conducting polls of only college campuses and see what happens.
- detree, on 12/21/2007, -0/+9Ron Paul is expected to get at least 40% of the votes in the early primary states according to historical projections of straw poll wins and campaign contributions. The public is also widely aware of the landline poll corruption and thus such polls are deemed irrelevant.
- Lolerdong, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2AWWW HELL YEAH, soon I will be able to keep my money and spend it as I please!!!! legalize coke and hookers to Ronnie
When it comes crashin, down and it's hurts inside...
I gotta be a man... it don't help to hide.
Well you've hurt my friends and you've hurt our pride
I gotta be a man I can't let it slide...
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Votes for Ron Paul from every man!
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FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS! - parrotheadmjb, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3that poll doesnt include independents, or democrats that have crossed over, he has more that 9% of the vote in NH
- WTC7WasPulled, on 12/21/2007, -3/+4Gallup was told to bring Ron Paul's polling number up because no one was taking their polls seriously. The people were simply outright rejecting their numbers. The real numbers are, Ron Paul is winning right now. The internet trends prove that. Romney certainly is not that high at all.
Like the "***** You Frank" piece by Penn and Teller on Frank Luntz proved, they can and often do manipulate the polls to be exactly what they want them to be through selective calling. I put no faith in polls, they are simply a measure of where the elites want him to be sitting. Do a Google trends search on Ron Paul traffic as compared to Mitt Romney, I think that will give you a more accurate real picture.- jefferygomer, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3I want to agree with you, but I'd like an article or something about how Gallup was told to bring Ron Paul's polling numbers up please.
My thumb is in your court. - onetimer, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Any proof to back up your ridiculous accusation? Gallup has been a reputable polling organization almost as long as Ron Paul has been alive. They wouldn't compromise their solid reputation to smear a candidate with little chance of winning.
Idiot, that "***** you Frank" wasn't about gallup, or any of the top-tier polling organizations.- kazamx, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2I don't think they try to be wrong, I just think that technology has left them behind. When a large % of certain market segments don't have landline phones anymore, its impossible for Gallup to represent them. In this case young educated people and college kids tend to be more likly Ron Paul supporters than your older voter. the problem is many of these people aren't polled.
- Humptydank, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2Let me ask you -- have you looked at what percentage of various market segments don't have land line phones anymore?
Have you looked at the demographics and voting characteristics of those segments and what the likely effect would be of the omission of their opinions in polls?
Because I have, and I'm sick of being the one who has to do the research when you just gobble up the Ron Paul party line and talk it out your ass. So I'm not going to tell you this time. Why don't you use the Internet that's sitting right in front of you and repost some actual sourced statistics right here, and let's all see together whether they still make your point.
Can't wait.
- Humptydank, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2Let me ask you -- have you looked at what percentage of various market segments don't have land line phones anymore?
- kazamx, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2I don't think they try to be wrong, I just think that technology has left them behind. When a large % of certain market segments don't have landline phones anymore, its impossible for Gallup to represent them. In this case young educated people and college kids tend to be more likly Ron Paul supporters than your older voter. the problem is many of these people aren't polled.
- jefferygomer, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3I want to agree with you, but I'd like an article or something about how Gallup was told to bring Ron Paul's polling numbers up please.
- redmonkey, on 12/21/2007, -5/+1When his neo-nazi connection, support terrorist from PLO(who killed Americans) or even his voted against do-not call list will be exposed to general public guess what happens?
- Minarchian, on 12/21/2007, -2/+3It will be exposed as the frauds that they are.
As they already have been- redmonkey, on 12/21/2007, -3/+2It is not. A lot of evidence including picture and even breakfast with neo-nazi.
- 0nslaught, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4"Here, let me save you the trouble of doing any type of research into this..
Regarding Don Black, Stormfront, and the $500 donation:
"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday. "We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.
Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hp_7eNYJJfvcUXW ...
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Regarding the picture of Ron Paul and Don Black:
"First, this is an old picture from a Ft. Lauderdale public gathering, and Ron Paul wasn't screening everyone he posed with for political correctness. But more importantly, I'm not bald! I'm the guy in the middle. As previously pointed out, Kent Snyder is in the top left." -Don Black
Source: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=6157 ...
If you want to provide picture proof, it has to be a picture of Ron Paul sitting down having dinner with these type of people. No such picture exists because it never happened.
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Video of Ron Paul denouncing neo-nazi type groups and the donations they send:
PBS Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UBMO9XPec
Fox News Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPhrqllHzY
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The alleged confession of a neo-nazi claiming Paul has come to many meetings (warning, it is a hateful site): http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682
Most of the responses don't even believe the guy, and a lot of them claim that he is doing this to smear Ron Paul.
I also found this in the exact same thread: "There may be some confusion here between two restaurants in Arlington with similar names. I know for a fact that at different times in the past, both David Irving/AMREN and the National Alliance held several meetings at SALA THAI restaurant in Arlington. I don't know whether AMREN or other alleged "racist" organizations hold "regular" meetings at TARA THAI."
Also it should be noted that the Tara Thai resturant that is referred here is a block (or so) away from the Ron Paul campaign HQ in Texas.
Proof that the alleged Wednesday night dinners with some neo-nazi group are false:
FEC Report Proof: http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2007/ ...
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And, why not. Here is information regarding that newsletter decades ago that was written under Ron Paul's name
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41 ... - Minarchian, on 12/22/2007, -1/+1To redmonkey:
http://redmonkey.justgotowned.com
Merry Christmas!
- 0nslaught, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4"Here, let me save you the trouble of doing any type of research into this..
- redmonkey, on 12/21/2007, -3/+2It is not. A lot of evidence including picture and even breakfast with neo-nazi.
- 0nslaught, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2"Here, let me save you the trouble of doing any type of research into this..
Regarding Don Black, Stormfront, and the $500 donation:
"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday. "We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.
Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hp_7eNYJJfvcUXW ...
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Regarding the picture of Ron Paul and Don Black:
"First, this is an old picture from a Ft. Lauderdale public gathering, and Ron Paul wasn't screening everyone he posed with for political correctness. But more importantly, I'm not bald! I'm the guy in the middle. As previously pointed out, Kent Snyder is in the top left." -Don Black
Source: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=6157 ...
If you want to provide picture proof, it has to be a picture of Ron Paul sitting down having dinner with these type of people. No such picture exists because it never happened.
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Video of Ron Paul denouncing neo-nazi type groups and the donations they send:
PBS Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UBMO9XPec
Fox News Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPhrqllHzY
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The alleged confession of a neo-nazi claiming Paul has come to many meetings (warning, it is a hateful site): http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682
Most of the responses don't even believe the guy, and a lot of them claim that he is doing this to smear Ron Paul.
I also found this in the exact same thread: "There may be some confusion here between two restaurants in Arlington with similar names. I know for a fact that at different times in the past, both David Irving/AMREN and the National Alliance held several meetings at SALA THAI restaurant in Arlington. I don't know whether AMREN or other alleged "racist" organizations hold "regular" meetings at TARA THAI."
Also it should be noted that the Tara Thai resturant that is referred here is a block (or so) away from the Ron Paul campaign HQ in Texas.
Proof that the alleged Wednesday night dinners with some neo-nazi group are false:
FEC Report Proof: http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2007/ ...
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And, why not. Here is information regarding that newsletter decades ago that was written under Ron Paul's name
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41 ...
- Minarchian, on 12/21/2007, -2/+3It will be exposed as the frauds that they are.
- onetimer, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Since when did being tied for fourth place call for celebration? Even it paul beats Huckabee and Giuliani, he doesn't have a prayer of a chance against Romney. And if Huckabee wins Iowa, you can be sure as hell his support is going to skyrocket in NH, leaving paul in the dust.
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