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Pennsylvania Crowd Doesn't Buy Barack Bashing
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com — On Monday, with the Pennsylvania primary just days away, Hillary Clinton continued to hammer Barack Obama over his comments that small town Americans "cling to guns or religion" because they are "bitter." The crowd didn't like the attack.
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- MotherGinSling, on 04/15/2008, -10/+39Hillary must be a self-hating masochist to keep hammering away on this.
- tharju, on 04/15/2008, -3/+14she kept saying this fund raising event in "San Francisco". I see what u did there Hilary.
- tjmb9, on 04/15/2008, -2/+2good point.
- TruthWatch, on 04/15/2008, -11/+0No, she's just tapping into what millions of americans believe - Obama is elitist, arrogant and completely disconnected from everyday americans.
- rottencod, on 04/15/2008, -0/+3Millions of Americans also can't find the US on a map of the world or tell you who the first President was. Just because millions of Americans believe something doesn't mean it isn't absolute nonsense.
- RubyTuesday, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I suppose many people in a certain socio-economic group that are very busy pursuing a career that demands all your time are indeed to some extenct disconnected from "everyday americans." I just don't believe that Clinton is anymore connected just because she claims Barak isn't. I also find it interesting that people who prefer things, simple, christian-centric and have a fear of highly educated people consider themselves "everyday americans."
- theaceoffire, on 04/15/2008, -0/+6My favorite line: "The Clinton campaign later said the disgruntled reaction to her remarks came from Obama supporters in attendance."
^_^ Must have a decent number of em. - ejhdigdug, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1It's all she's got.
- tharju, on 04/15/2008, -3/+14she kept saying this fund raising event in "San Francisco". I see what u did there Hilary.
- mathewsjw, on 04/15/2008, -41/+14more Hillary bashing??
wrong audience it was NOT in a "bitter", "gun toting", "clinging to religion" small town that Obama claimed is racist, guess it takes one to know one...- jinchoung, on 04/15/2008, -3/+5seriously though, i can't see how you guys are getting past the bosnia thing. have you ever been so tired you mistook the plot of die hard for your business trip? seriously, NO AMOUNT of fatigue can possibly account for that. and what's worse is that she some how, for some reason, thought she could get away with it??? a lot of words come to mind: insane, pathological, delusional, fugue, liar, reallypoorjudgment, reallybadchoicetoanswerflashingredphoneinthemiddleofthenight (because of aforementioned die hard hallucinations). i realize that it's kinda like shooting fish in a barrel around here but she keeps gettin' bigger in the tub and keeps handing out guns like it's goin' out of style. for me, that and the lame-o unexplanatory "i mis-spoke" officially terminates her credibility as a psychologically viable candidate.
- jbdobd, on 04/15/2008, -5/+57Silly Hillary to bring that up in front of a group of people who are so clearly an example of the most elite in America - Steelworkers.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -1/+22I hope that was sarcasm.
The US sold out on the steelworkers in the 80's. She took part in it, as part of her "35 years of experience"- iiviip3, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1Yes. It was sarcasm.
- ivansusanin, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4Gay Steel Mill: http://www.jibjab.com/view/162011
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -1/+22I hope that was sarcasm.
- dBass, on 04/15/2008, -3/+56Talk about a "Judas"! What party is she in again?
- BrendanSheehan, on 04/15/2008, -1/+10The Clinton Party - will at all costs, and if you can't win destroy your opponent.
- diggboi, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1It's amazing how tone-deaf this woman is to a crowd. Well, that and to the rest of America.
She clearly doesn't have them when she starts out by saying Obama was trashing her earlier (smattering of Boos and "No!"'s), but then she pushes right on ahead anyway. A defter politician (or thinker) would have been able to pivot out of that line of thinking and retreat so she didn't walk right into the "I know you were disappointed by his comments, too" crap. As it is, she lays that turd out there for everyone to see on national TV, with a crowd of Real People saying "No! Boo! You're full of *****, you shrew!" What a douchebag!
Ha! My 2 -year-old could have sensed she was losing the crowd and wouldn't have allowed what followed to transpire--it comes across in a neat little video clip for all the talking heads to show how Hillary is out of touch and manufacturing outrage that isn't really there. (She's a very advanced 2-yr-old.)
I'm starting to think these Clintons aren't so ***** smart as they think they are.
- colincornaby, on 04/15/2008, -7/+37Everytime I see her say something like this, I have to pause, and remind myself that she'd still be better than McCain if she ends up beating Obama.
It's getting harder to feel okay about that though.- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -0/+19You do know that this has been analyzed up and down, inside and out, and all around. If McCain faces Hillary in the general election, most of the moderates and undecideds, and many democrats will vote for McCain. If McCain faces Obama in the general election, it is a close match, and even possible for Obama to win.
It is also just common logic. Hillary is a polarizing candidate. The people that support her will support her blindly, and the people who absolutely despise her will oppose her blindly. Moderates and independents also have a bad taste for Hillary.
McCain's campaign, and even McCain himself has said many times, even in the past few days, that they would much rather go up against Hillary because they understand this dynamic. - rv36116, on 04/15/2008, -4/+3We're ***** til' Sunday if any of these three clowns gets into office, lesser of 3 evils, yet again.
Let me know where the money is going to come from for this "magic healthcare" that the democrats are proposing or where the money is going to come from for "100 more years" of the Iraq war like Mccain wants...
Wake up, dems and repubs are on the same damn team.- mali1, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4You must be a Ron Paul supporter.
- kreneskyp, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4i think they would be equally as bad. The only chance is if mccain really is just pandering to the republican base and returns to his pre-campaign days where he leaned to the left.
- rentmitchum, on 04/15/2008, -1/+2I will not vote if Obama doesn't make the nomination, it won't matter if it's between Hillary and McCain.
- MickJT, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0Then you cannot complain. Whoever doesn't vote should never complain about their president. What if a hundred thousand more people thought the way you did? *sigh*. Australia and it's mandatory (illegal not to vote, yes, it's mandatory to register to vote too) voting system is what I like.
- LunaticFringe, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1I will vote for Ralph Nader if Obama doesn't make the nomination.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -0/+19You do know that this has been analyzed up and down, inside and out, and all around. If McCain faces Hillary in the general election, most of the moderates and undecideds, and many democrats will vote for McCain. If McCain faces Obama in the general election, it is a close match, and even possible for Obama to win.
- FINITEONE11, on 04/15/2008, -15/+61Hillary Clinton? more like Bitchy McBitcherson.
- mbauer14, on 04/15/2008, -29/+3thats a completely unwarranted attack on the first woman president of the united states. no united states president should such a negative connotation as "bitchy mcbitcherson."
- FINITEONE11, on 04/15/2008, -2/+30EASY THERE SOCCER MOM
- mbauer14, on 04/15/2008, -19/+4another negative connotation from another blind obama supporter. so what if i drive a 2007 honda oddysey? it gets great gas mileage and can fit all the kids. just because i am a soccer mom doesnt mean you have to describe me in such a demeaning manner.
- Fordi, on 04/15/2008, -1/+5sooooo.... pegged?
- petrodollar, on 04/15/2008, -0/+5The Odyssey gets only average mileage (17/25), despite the VCM.
- rentmitchum, on 04/15/2008, -0/+3lmao tell me this was all two friends setting up this series of comments. That ***** is too funny.
- lickmylovepump, on 04/15/2008, -3/+12EASY THERE CRABBY McCRABBYSON.
bitch. - hierophantus, on 04/15/2008, -0/+5Comedy gold.
- mbauer14, on 04/15/2008, -19/+4another negative connotation from another blind obama supporter. so what if i drive a 2007 honda oddysey? it gets great gas mileage and can fit all the kids. just because i am a soccer mom doesnt mean you have to describe me in such a demeaning manner.
- FINITEONE11, on 04/15/2008, -2/+30EASY THERE SOCCER MOM
- rockjunky116, on 04/15/2008, -9/+4Hint: when cleaning out your Honda Oddysey of cheetos crumbs and candy stuck to the seat, wear pants. It's obvious you're getting some of that crap in your vagina.
- thatdiabeticguy, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Hint: Honda Odyssey
- mbauer14, on 04/15/2008, -29/+3thats a completely unwarranted attack on the first woman president of the united states. no united states president should such a negative connotation as "bitchy mcbitcherson."
- aboyd, on 04/15/2008, -12/+27I'm voting for Obama, so I want to be clear that I'm not normally a Hillary supporter. Having said that, what are you guys hearing that I'm missing? There was some low mumbling at the beginning when she was welcomed, and then similar mumbling when she made her comment about Obama. Both "mumblings" sounded like very tame expressions, and I could not judge if they were positive or negative.
It seems good to say that Hillary sucks for making a mountain out of a molehill, and I'm glad the story gained no traction. But this seems like we're really reaching for it, guys. A few people go, "meh," and we decide that she was soundly booed? I don't get it.- lundeja, on 04/15/2008, -3/+27The audience doesn't have a mic on them.
- uptown, on 04/15/2008, -3/+30Notice that she pauses. She does this because she's trying to decide whether to continue her line of discussion due to the audience rumbling. It's not rubling of support .... it's distaste for what she's talking about. And it's probably people that realize she's exploiting the situation for personal gain rather than telling voters how she's going to help them survive the current recession.
- jinchoung, on 04/15/2008, -1/+6yep, listen to the audio and then look at her faltering reaction. it probably sounds loud and clear for her but the recording is only getting her. it's the "howard dean effect"... spin jockeys should get a mixing board... maybe a laugh track.
- Fordi, on 04/15/2008, -1/+20Turn up your volume. Most people are booing and saying 'No!'
- rebotfc, on 04/15/2008, -0/+14Listen to it with decent headphones , the crowd are clearly saying 'No'.
- sinurgy, on 04/15/2008, -3/+3Digg is just going through one of it's ever changing phases. Right now all you really need to do to get to the front page or get lots of thumbs up is rag on Hillary and talk up Obama.
Don't get me wrong, I like Obama out of the 3 remaining candidates but the Hillary bashing is getting almost evangelical at this point and I don't think that is ever a good thing!- BrPyne, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4I don't know about you but the lady just pisses me off. If I want to hear Obama bashing I'll turn on Fox News, if I want to hear the people discussing the issue I'll read some digg comments. It just so happens Obama is the best candidate and everyone on digg knows this.
- callinthelaw69, on 04/15/2008, -4/+34"The Clinton campaign later said the disgruntled reaction to her remarks came from Obama supporters in attendance."
Uh huh. And the sky is green and water is yellow and grass is red.- uptown, on 04/15/2008, -1/+4Umm.... yeah, isn't that kinda the idea? They decide they don't like what you have to say, so they're not going to vote for you.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -2/+15Do you mean that the carefully screened audience, vetted and cleared before being offered an invitation, turned out to be Obama supporters?
I thought we all knew that after september 11th, 2001, no politician will ever speak in front of an audience that wasn't verifiably 100% behind them.
We all know that they even set up "free speech zones" a mile away from most venues, implying that everywhere else there is no free speech.
It isn't just Bush that does that. Both parties' national conventions used "free speech zones", both in Boston and in NYC in 2004. - chris1012, on 04/15/2008, -3/+1In Russia, sky IS green, water yellow, and gress red.
- lickmylovepump, on 04/15/2008, -2/+2you blowhard.
- mrshickadance9, on 04/15/2008, -5/+34I hope she cries again when she loses to Obama. It's hilarious watching her cry.
- Brammo13, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy. [licks tears.] Mm-yummy you guys!
- mrshickadance9, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I guess nobody gets the south park reference.
- mrshickadance9, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I guess nobody gets the south park reference.
- Brammo13, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy. [licks tears.] Mm-yummy you guys!
- hazard99, on 04/15/2008, -7/+10This is currently the most dugg story. Why is this being dugg again?
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -1/+11Because it is funny how the media and Hilllary (and even McCain) are trying to turn this into an insult towards rural Americans, while in reality, the people it allegedly insults agree with what Obama said.
Northeast Elitists, you know the new york journalist, or the politician, or the bankers and brokers who own them, don't understand the rest of America. They would say things like "those gun nuts" or "the angry and irrational uneducated labor block" as an insult. So when someone says "The people who have lost their jobs, who are uncertain about the future are angry, bitter and cling to their guns and their religion" they cannot understand that this actually is something these people can identify with. They all love their guns when you get into western PA, moving west into the middle finger of west virginia (the part where Wheeling and Moundsville, Weirton, Triadelphia are) into Bridgeport OH, St Clairsville, and all the way across OH into Indiana.
At least, when I went to College in Wheeling at the end of the 80's, I met a lot of people that would stand up and cheer if Obama made that statement to them. They all owned guns. They all resented the fact that the only remaining "steel mill" was actually just a nail factory making nails on a basically robotic assembly line, employing a dozen people total, using japanese steel. I think if you asked them if they were "bitter" they would have said "***** yes, I'm bitter! Not only am I bitter, I am ***** pissed off to high hell!"- Fordi, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I had a lot of fun in West Virginia, though I was living in what could only be described as its '*****' (ie: the mouth of the New River, described as WV's ***** because of what the place looks like on a relief map).
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -1/+11Because it is funny how the media and Hilllary (and even McCain) are trying to turn this into an insult towards rural Americans, while in reality, the people it allegedly insults agree with what Obama said.
- chubbybubba, on 04/15/2008, -13/+4Personally, I plan on voting for Obama. But, I have to admit what he said was extremely insensitive. If you see someone who's having a hard time you don't say,"oh *****... your life must suck... you must be hating life!" You don't call them bitter. You don't assume they are gun lovers or religious simply because they have no job. You don't call them anti-immigrant. You shouldn't assume they have antipathy to people who aren't like them. Barack laid a whole lot of assumptions and crap on innocent hard working people. That stereotypical ***** should be above him. What makes this all worse is that some people have NO Friggin idea why this upsets people. Baracks a good guy, he made a mistake. Why should he get a free pass? Hillary and McCain are right in calling him out on this. If he wants to be the pres, which I think he most likely will, he's got to be able to stand up and take a punch. The one thing that can end it for Obama which in my opinion is the same thing that ended it for Kerry... Arrogance.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -1/+10You know what? You actually can say that to someone going through hard times. They'll know that you have empathy for them
If you walked up to a homeless person and said "Damn, dude. It must suck to be homeless. Aren't you pissed off?" The guy would probably say "Don't you know it, man! This is *****! It is horrible!"
If you walked up to an unemployed steel worker and said "Doesn't it suck that all of the steel mill jobs are now in Japan and China? Aren't you bitter? Doesn't that piss you off?" the guy would most definitely say "Hell YES! This is unamerican greedy *****! You bet I'm bitter!!!"
It is elitist if you don't understand that the people supposedly being insulted are actually being insulted by the people calling an empathic candidate "an elitist" because that just shows that the people making that accusation are northeast elitists who have no clue about the plight of the average working class American. The people calling "elitist" to those remarks have only New York City and Washington DC as a reference point. I know how they think, I live outside DC, work downtown next to the white house, and travel to NYC regularly. But I've grown up all over the country, including in Harrisburg PA, and went to college in Wheeling WV, and have never gotten absorbed in the egocentric delusion of living in a world where every option is at your fingertips. I know that's how it is here, but I still recognize that it isn't that way when you get over 120 miles outside of one of the 11 major metropolitan areas in this country. People who live inside those rings live in the first world. Move outside, and much of the country looks like a 3rd world country. People living in schoolbuses with wood burning stoves, people living in trailers on the side of a cliff alongside a highway. You name it, anything goes.
But it is very modern and every convenience known to man is at your fingertips when you go to DC or NYC. So the others are just backwater fools, and Obama insults them by saying they are bitter. Or at least, the other two elitist candidates think that way.- innocentsinner, on 04/15/2008, -2/+3True, but it's still making assumptions. His words imply, for example, that people cling to religion -solely- because they're bitter. This, naturally, pissed off a lot of religious people. While I'm an atheist myself, I can see how someone could be less-than-pleased when someone implies that their faith is based on bitterness.
- orangedude, on 04/15/2008, -1/+6No, you're taking it the wrong way. He's saying A (people suffering hardship) --> B (increased tendency to cling to religion/guns/anti-immigrant). Not the reverse, that most religious people are bitter.
Also, you should realize why he made these statements when you read the whole context that the quote came from. He's saying that when people start caring about voting based on issues such as gay marriage and guns, they lose sight of one of the underlying problems in the community, which is the lost jobs and faltering economy.- innocentsinner, on 04/15/2008, -1/+4I understand what he was getting at. I'm just saying that the reactions are understandable.
- quisph, on 04/15/2008, -1/+6His words imply no such thing. If some religious people INFERRED that, it's their mistake.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1innocentsinner, YOU are making the assumption, especially being an atheist. Trust me, I'm not insulting you for being an atheist, I'm just saying that your understanding of how people who are not atheist is skewed by your experience as an atheist. I grew up a catholic. I went to catholic schools 7 out of 12 years, and then went to a Jesuit college in West Virginia. However, I haven't been to church in over 20 years, other than for weddings and funerals, and then only because that's where those events were being held. I dislike the concept of organized religion because I understand that human beings are corruptible, and any form of power tends to become corrupted over time because all institutions (government, religion, trade organizations, associations) are run by humans.
Howerver, I also understand how most rational people who are religious think. They are not like the zealots in the midwest who are making quick money doing something marginally immoral, turning to religion in order to make themselves feel better about their immoral actions in other parts of their lives. Rational people who have a faith are not like those "us or them" idiots, they have been educated in their faith, and do not need to demonize others in order to cling to their faith like many baptists, and fundamentalists.
When someone tells them that they "cling to," meaning that they become closer to their faith, because they are "bitter", meaning they are unhappy with the cards being dealt to them, they do not get pissed off. They recognize a person talking to them with a sense of empathy.
Now, this may sound judgemental, or presumptious, but an atheist will most likely believe that religious people would take offense to a statement like that because an atheist is uncomfortable with religion, has probably rejected a faith he was brought up on, and isn't entirely comfortable with his choice of being an atheist. So, like the baptists and fundamentalists, he is uncomfortable with or offended by any remark that might challenge their faith (or choice to not have any faith).
- orangedude, on 04/15/2008, -1/+6No, you're taking it the wrong way. He's saying A (people suffering hardship) --> B (increased tendency to cling to religion/guns/anti-immigrant). Not the reverse, that most religious people are bitter.
- innocentsinner, on 04/15/2008, -2/+3True, but it's still making assumptions. His words imply, for example, that people cling to religion -solely- because they're bitter. This, naturally, pissed off a lot of religious people. While I'm an atheist myself, I can see how someone could be less-than-pleased when someone implies that their faith is based on bitterness.
- ChadN, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1If arrogance kills Democratic chances, then Hillary "Occasionally I'm a human being like everybody else" Clinton is DOA past the primary. This is the same Hillary who mocked Obama ("sky will open, light will come down, celestial choir will sing") for his message of hope, and who is now berating him for him for addressing people's bitterness. No more dynasties, Clinton, Bush or otherwise. Period.
- aprestia, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I gotta tell you... I'm from Pittsburgh... and in my experience, the PA lower and lower middle classes are, in fact, pretty bitter. If they're not, it's because they're already planning on moving out of the region. I didn't find Obama's comments offensive, and I don't think most Pennsylvanians did either - except possibly for some republicans, who are not going to vote for either of them.
- chubbybubba, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Clearly you don't get it, and likely you never will. Being lower middle class doesn't make you bitter, being lower class makes you lower middle class. It may be hard for you to imagine, but people who have a lot less money than you may be just as happy as you (maybe even happier). This whole assumption that less money equals bitterness or less happiness is insane. Stop with the arrogance. If money doesn't guarantee happiness than less money doesn't guarantee bitterness.
- rdoger6424, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1You don't live in PA do you?
- chubbybubba, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Clearly you don't get it, and likely you never will. Being lower middle class doesn't make you bitter, being lower class makes you lower middle class. It may be hard for you to imagine, but people who have a lot less money than you may be just as happy as you (maybe even happier). This whole assumption that less money equals bitterness or less happiness is insane. Stop with the arrogance. If money doesn't guarantee happiness than less money doesn't guarantee bitterness.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/15/2008, -1/+10You know what? You actually can say that to someone going through hard times. They'll know that you have empathy for them
- jontalisman, on 04/15/2008, -23/+12Buried for Obama spam.
- aprestia, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2It's not spam if it's about a major current issue in the race. This is all over the major news networks - I mean the source is CNN, the fact that more of these stories make it to the top page is simply a product of there being a high proportion of diggers who support Obama. That's not spam, it's democracy, and it's what digg, and this country, are all about.
- eyepatch100, on 04/15/2008, -2/+1"Buy Barack Bashing"
proof that "Alliteration alleviates all ailments."- uptown, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I though Johnny Cochran was dead.....
- Cattywampus, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Cochrane's thing was rhyming, not alliteration.
- uptown, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I though Johnny Cochran was dead.....
- DumbKid, on 04/15/2008, -5/+42Bitch, please
- BrendanSheehan, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Elitist ;)
- Plantagenet, on 04/15/2008, -22/+7Obama went to San Francisco and mocked the rural people of Pennsylvania for "clinging" to their religion and their guns. Regular folks who aren't political junkies are still figuring out who this guy is, and so far Obama is coming off as an arrogant liberal, just like Dukakis and Kerry.
- Cattywampus, on 04/15/2008, -2/+3If we see photos of him windsurfing or ordering a Philly cheesesteak with Swiss cheese, then we'll know he's totally gone down the John Kerry path!
- vocalyouth, on 04/15/2008, -2/+8He was just being honest about western pa. I've lived here my entire life and he didn't lie or exaggerate one bit. I don't even see anyone up in arms about this locally. Heaven forbid a politician say something true about people from an area. The people who are "outraged" have never been to western pa. Take a look around the dead steel mills and vacant houses all over places like johnstown and talk to the locals and you will see exactly what he was talking about. It's a depressed / depressing place. Obama's honesty on it made me like him a lot more.
- aprestia, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Yes yes, me too, I agree wholeheartedly. The few people from Pittsburgh who may have been offended would all have been republicans, who blame liberals for their problems already. And those who aren't "bitter" are in fact "disillusioned" with the region, and are planning on leaving.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Tonight's Real Time with Bill Maher (Friday, 4/18) confirms this. Timothy Scahill went to PA and met up with gun owners and bikers, and even long-time republicans said that his remarks about being bitter has made them decide to vote for him over McCain or Hillary.
- FATEorFORTUNE, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0well we did see him purposely sucking at bowling. come on, that was such a PR stunt.
- AsylumAleikum, on 04/15/2008, -15/+4Having striken gold in America, affirmative action babies Barack and Michelle continue to express disrespect for the country and her citizens. The Obama's evidently believe that "the typical white person" is a bitter, gun-toting, racist Jesus freak who lost his job 25 years ago and refused to go on welfare rolls.
Come November, the bitter voters will teach the uppity couple a lesson about America they will never forget.- ph1sh55, on 04/15/2008, -2/+3Sweet, you've conducted your own narrative. Besides showing the reading comprehension of a toddler, it's not half bad. Don't stop preachin, your insightful commentary is sure to attract followers. :) Git r dun am I right?
- hierophantus, on 04/15/2008, -1/+4I guess "affirmative action" baby Obama took your place at Harvard Law and became the law review editor, then senator, then president you WOULD HAVE BEEN if you hadn't had that damn white skin that cheats you of so many opportunities in this life.
- chubbybubba, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1I am not white. I plan on voting for Obama. I do have to agree with you though. I heard his "typical white person" comment. I've also heard him refuse to condemn a real American hater and black racist like wright and even took time to tell America what a hero wright was. Even though he is half white, his perception of white people may be seriously off. I think he could care less about the decent hardworking white middle class. I don't blame white people for concerns about Barack. I just don't see any alternative at a time we need to get soldiers out of the war.
- mstoneburner, on 04/15/2008, -15/+5It's awfully amusing to hear a 20-year member of a hateful church which bashes whites, jews, italians, and others criticize Pennsylvanians for their religious views.
Seriously, how can a presidential candidate who refers to the electorate as bitter, gun waving, bible thumping xenophobes be considered in any way electable?- yournightmare, on 04/15/2008, -2/+7He didn't criticize them for their religious views. In fact, he didn't criticize them at all.
- mstoneburner, on 04/15/2008, -5/+1Saying people are indifferent to people who don't look like them isn't criticism? NIce try, moron.
- rdoger6424, on 04/15/2008, -0/+3Saying people are indifferent to people who don't look like them IS criticism? NIce try, moron.
- mstoneburner, on 04/15/2008, -5/+1Saying people are indifferent to people who don't look like them isn't criticism? NIce try, moron.
- yournightmare, on 04/15/2008, -2/+7He didn't criticize them for their religious views. In fact, he didn't criticize them at all.
- incredibilistic, on 04/15/2008, -1/+10This is getting old. Get beyond this crap for God's sake!!! If we're going to talk about how out of touch Obama and keep this in the news then we need to keep replaying the tape of Hillary getting off the plane in Bosnia and then post all three times she "misspoke" about he trip there.
- tvfilm, on 04/15/2008, -18/+4HI, IM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER AND IM AN IDIOT.
- thatspsychotic, on 04/15/2008, -1/+3HI, I CAPITALIZE EVERYTHING SO I OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT AND IM NEVER WRONG
- hierophantus, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Good for you. Now kindly go ***** yourself.
- george2gfm, on 04/15/2008, -11/+3Have you checked the polls? Last I checked Hillary was up 20 points...
- soot, on 04/15/2008, -2/+5By "the polls" you mean that one poll with the anomalous results.
- george2gfm, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/presi ...
7 points, my bad
- george2gfm, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/presi ...
- zephyear, on 04/15/2008, -2/+3american research group has a record of being horribly off track, right up there with zogby
surveyusa, followed by rasmussen are the most reliable - RebeL5K, on 04/15/2008, -1/+5Clearly you haven't checked the polls recently, then. Hillary HAD a 26% lead, but due to a series of indiscretions like Bosnia, Tuzla, Penn, Columbia, etc. she is now just 4 percentage points ahead of Mr. Obama.
And the poll has a margin of error of 3%. - jbdobd, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Clinton clearly has a commanding lead in both IN and PA. Given the tailor-made demographics of these states for her - theres no excuse for not winning them both easily by double digits. Anything less than a 20% win in both states is a sure sign that she can't win anything.
- soot, on 04/15/2008, -2/+5By "the polls" you mean that one poll with the anomalous results.
- Colindean, on 04/15/2008, -8/+2This election is becoming a farce. The media loves to focus on the personal blathering of these three dog-waggers instead of focusing on the issues, like foreign policy, monetary policy, adherance to the Constitution, and tax reform. It would probably help if McCain, Clinton, and Obama weren't basically the same with minor external differences. Paul's the only candidate left who is above this sophomoric bullcrap, and the media won't cover him because he doesn't make good TV.
- zephyear, on 04/15/2008, -1/+6durrhurrdurr, blind paultard speak
obama and clinton are similar yes, but you can't compare either to mccain
and don't give me your "durrhurr WAR WITH IRAN PAKISTAN" ***** speak
obama is left of center, clinton is center, and mccain is top right, and based on his republican pandering recently, far right soon - RebeL5K, on 04/15/2008, -0/+3Really? Because I could swear Dr. Paul dropped out of the race, as if her were ever a serious contender what with a whoppin' .5% of the popular vote (by the way, that's POINT 5 percent, not 5 percent) about a month ago.
- zephyear, on 04/15/2008, -1/+6durrhurrdurr, blind paultard speak
- DrBodyGlove, on 04/15/2008, -5/+3I am so freaken sick of this election already!!! Digg has become nothing but this election. What will we do when the damn election is over? On that note, I feel sorry for all women who had hope in Hillary! She was suppose to represent the entire women population yet all she is doing is harming the cause. Please someone write her to stop already! She already made over 100 million what else does she need. 100 million dollars later she is calling a black man an elitist? Wow! And she still has supporters? Must be same monkies who support Bush!
- rottencod, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4Yeah, isn't it annoying when millions of people who are normally apathetic about their political future start getting involved in the system and demanding a voice in our government? God, I hate that too. I wish people would just shut up and take what they have coming from whoever happens to be in whatever office is responsible for screwing them. At least Digg would be quiet. Maybe full of political prisoners fearful for their lives and afraid to speak their minds, but quiet.
- hooksie, on 04/15/2008, -2/+4I'm all for exposing Hillary, but how many of this same story do we need on Digg in one day ?
- tumatakuru, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1about 6
- BradBrown, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I'd agree that 6 is about the right number. I suffer from a short attention span, so what's news to me at 6am can still be new and refreshing when reported at 6pm. Now let me get back to the meth lab...
- scairborn, on 04/15/2008, -2/+5Anyone else find it interesting that HRC did her college roadshow at University of Pennsylvania... an Ivy League school that most pennsylvanian's (which I am) find to be an elitist school. Hmm, interesting choice.
- Chip53, on 04/15/2008, -11/+4Screw Obama. He's just another liberal political hack who knows how to work a crowd. Have some more kool-aid kids, it's good for you.
- somespecial, on 04/15/2008, -1/+6Pittsburgh is not a small town.
- jessehadden, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I lived there for 20+ years. Calling it a "small town" is being generous.
- powerfullogic, on 04/15/2008, -9/+5FAT white women of America who are 90% of Hillary's supporters, and who are unfortunately the majority in the USA. I have a message for you. Being for Hillary is not going to suddenly make you relevant. Vote for her if you want but that doesn't change the fact you are not attractive or wanted.
- marksism, on 04/15/2008, -1/+0iceburn!
- chubbybubba, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Good thing votes aren't ranked based on weight and gravitational pull.
- Railoc, on 04/15/2008, -11/+5I like Obama, but... This article is bull. He's down 20 points in Penn since those comments. :/
- orangedude, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4Source?
- jzuska, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1Jesus. You people will never believe he's down. HE'S DOWN 20 POINTS IN PA!!!!!!!
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/04/obama ...- rdoger6424, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Wow, you can't read your own source.
"Update at 1:30 p.m. ET: Nationally, however, Obama's lead over Clinton is holding steady, according to Gallup's daily tracking poll. It shows him ahead of Clinton 50%-40%, vs. 50%-41% yesterday.
Update at 6:10 p.m. ET: The Wall Street Journal's Numbers Guy examines ARG's track record. Its results have been more volatile than other pollsters, the Journal says."
- rdoger6424, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Wow, you can't read your own source.
- jzuska, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1Jesus. You people will never believe he's down. HE'S DOWN 20 POINTS IN PA!!!!!!!
- freshyill, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Yeah, it looks like those comments are really haunting him. http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
Jackass. - PhilLesh69, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Last poll I saw in Time Magazine showed Hillary with 49% and Obama with 43%, with a 4% margin of error.
And if you understand Hillary's situation, she needs to take PA with over 20% of the votes in order to not be completely out of the race.
(maybe that's why you are clinging to an old poll showing a 20 point lead???)
- orangedude, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4Source?
- frombeyond, on 04/15/2008, -5/+4It sounded to me like the crowd was agreeing with Hillary and booing Obama.
Ya gotta love Hillary doing shots of whiskey and drinking a big mug of beer lol. She'll do anything to win. She's shameless. I really love that about her. - icndvl, on 04/15/2008, -1/+2Why won't people just admit they are bitter?
- PhilLesh69, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1They do.
It's the out of touch northeastern elitists who heard that remark and just assumed it would offend the people who are, in fact, bitter.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1They do.
- jhkilroy, on 04/15/2008, -16/+2***** OBAMA ! HE IS A RACIST PIECE OF ***** ! ***** HIM AND ***** HIS FAT UGLY SCUMBAG WIFE! --- ***** U OBAMA ! ----
- orangedude, on 04/15/2008, -1/+9Whoa there, why so bitter?
- Goobernatorial, on 04/15/2008, -0/+6I didn't know Hillary had a digg account.
- Bbau01, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1LOL
- xerigen, on 04/15/2008, -2/+3This SAME EXACT VIDEO already made the frontpage of digg earlier and wasn't worth watching/reading about the first time. Come on now, people. Give me my digg back.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1If it wasn't worth watching/reading about the first time, how dumb did you have to be to click on it a second time?
Short term memory, much? Reading comprehension, much?
- PhilLesh69, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1If it wasn't worth watching/reading about the first time, how dumb did you have to be to click on it a second time?
- blake_mooney, on 04/15/2008, -0/+4HAHA, small town Americans don't cling to guns and religion...? That's a laugh!
- hillaryforum, on 04/15/2008, -8/+1More Obama spam...
- hillaryforum, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Oh, how surprising, to be buried by Obamabots!!!
- StinkyPete312, on 04/15/2008, -3/+6God it's good to be a republican!
- jzuska, on 04/15/2008, -2/+1Or not a Leftie
- chubbybubba, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Too bad you don't have a republican running for president.
- gkiltz, on 04/15/2008, -2/+2Remember: All three presidential candidates are ACTUALLY HUMAN! Even Hillary Clinton!
There si so much being said, and the campaign is so long that we all knew when it started that it was only a matter of time before ALL THREE managed to say something stupid!
Everybody had expected John McCain to go first!
He surprised us! He has gone last!
It is now HIS turn!
This could get messy!- marksism, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you *****." - John McCain, 1992, to his wife.
But to be fair, that's actually a great goddamn insult. If we could have a Presidential Putdown contest, McCain would be the winner hands down. - asskicker32, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/mcca ...
Youre just not paying enough attention... Also, he is staying out of the spotlight...
- marksism, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you *****." - John McCain, 1992, to his wife.
- BN2L, on 04/15/2008, -0/+5First off I like Obama but to be fair to Hillary it wasn't the crowd jeering it was maybe one or two people.
- Smuhamm, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0There were a lot of cheering when Obama spoke very little when Hilliary spoke, People are tired of this Sillyness, How is Hilliary more electable, she is having a hard time trying to beat Obama, and she is grabbing for straws and unfairly. Why hate the candidate that loves you enough and feels for your current plight enough to speak out against it and stand up for you. Who is going to vote against CHANGE and HOPE? Only those people who are miserable in their own hearts,those who are still stuck in a box. Woulldn't you want to go into your hearts get our of the box and feel what it is to experience REAL CHANGE, a different kind of Love for All bring....Peace and prosperity in new way.
- joeanon, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1Well it's a two edged sword to point out people's true flaws.
BUT that may be the only true way to enact change.
However, in my opinion, the only REAL problems are energy, medical and government mismanagement.
Globalism simply doesn't have a large impact on domestic jobs as we are always told.
We are a 14 trillion dollar economy and we do about 300b in trade with China.
That's just ... not a lot of the domestic GNP to be considered a MAJOR burden by almost any measure.
It's hard to really blame globalization when you start looking at the trade numbers.
The problem is government mismanagement. Federal researches have had biofuel solutions for replace the OIL economy since the 70s. ... really.
Yet we still live in a majority of unawareness.
BLAME YOURSELF !! - ErikHarrison, on 04/15/2008, -6/+1If you have a shred of decency and intelligence, Obama is your man. If you are stupid, there's McCain. If you are a fat, bull dikeish, lesbian, there is Hillary.
Obama, for a Bxtter America. x=e if you can't figure it out.- SwedishNinja, on 04/15/2008, -0/+5Oh yeah, well you're a homosexual communist nazi queer!
See, I can use nonsensical ad hominems too! - jessehadden, on 04/15/2008, -0/+3I prefer Obama to McCain, and McCain to Clinton (which makes me shudder), but I can't get behind your homophobic and marginalizing remarks. I happen to have several lesbian friends who are rather anti-Clinton. You only expose your own ignorance and intolerance when you talk like this.
- Jektal, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1What the ***** is with you feeling the need to sensor one vowxl in a word?
Douche. (the x=e, ha ha ha!)
- SwedishNinja, on 04/15/2008, -0/+5Oh yeah, well you're a homosexual communist nazi queer!
- astrotrain, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1Hillary has PA Governor Ed Rendell and Filthadelphia Mayor Nutter (yes that is real last name..seriously), on a leash. And who knows what other mayors in PA she has.
As it is now both Renell and Nutter have TV spots, praising Hillary (she must be throwing them a milkbone each time they back her up).
Now with those two figures on a leash, I think this is why she feels comfortable bashing Barack in the state of PA, there are no higher authority figures to rule against this action.- rdoger6424, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Right, because Bob Casey's a nobody.
- SolsPolaris, on 04/15/2008, -1/+3Damn the American people for clinging to the Constitution! The audacity of the Constitution (Freedom of religion, and the 2nd Amendment). I agree with Obama, the Constitution is a bad thing, right?
- Smuhamm, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0LOVE HOPE AND CHANGE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE TEND TO FOCUS THEIR VOTES WHEN THEY ARE HIT BELOW THE BELT ECONOMICALLY. HILLIARY NEEDED TO TAKE THIS OUT OF CONFIDENCE TO GAIN A FEW POINTS WHILE TEARING DOWN A FELLOW DEMOCRATE. IS THIS THE ONLY WAY SHE THINK SHE CAN WIN? SHE IS SHOWING NO LOVE.
- heatonstwin, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1LOUD NOISES!
- Smuhamm, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0LOVE HOPE AND CHANGE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE TEND TO FOCUS THEIR VOTES WHEN THEY ARE HIT BELOW THE BELT ECONOMICALLY. HILLIARY NEEDED TO TAKE THIS OUT OF CONFIDENCE TO GAIN A FEW POINTS WHILE TEARING DOWN A FELLOW DEMOCRATE. IS THIS THE ONLY WAY SHE THINK SHE CAN WIN? SHE IS SHOWING NO LOVE.
- SwedishNinja, on 04/15/2008, -0/+8LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!!
- bypapaker, on 04/15/2008, -1/+0http://www.rizetufad.com
- mile, on 04/15/2008, -1/+3We are clinging to guns and religion AND we are bitter because you polticians LIE, CHEAT, STEAL and yes, are idiots. ALL OF YOU. You all need to take a hike. Every one last of you. We all see right through you buffoons.
- Jektal, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1"man will never be free until the last politician is hanged with the entrails of the last priest"
- fieldhockey44, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1How has this gotten to the front page 3 times in 2 days?
- Smuhamm, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0R. Murdock is in bed with Hillary or vice versa, If they put it in the news and make people nthink that this is what is going to take Barack down, when they try and steal it no one will know, and they will blame it on this. The american people will not be fooled this time. Our eyes are on everything and our intuitions are keener than ever thanks to the Young People.
- MisterThirteen, on 04/15/2008, -1/+0Do you hear her voice? It sounds like shes beaten and has no where else to go anymore.
- skewh, on 04/15/2008, -1/+2"As smart as my husband is, he does make mistakes," Clinton quipped.
Priceless. - MightyAphrodity, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0LMAO, wow she is doing everything possible to lose the nomination for her party. She should avoid crying, stay on topic and stop man bashing. She's just coming off as a jerk. And since we're barely getting one jerk out of office no one is going to be clamoring to put her in unless she gets it together.
GO OBAMA! - eshin922, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Go away hillary. Go away.
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