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Pat Robertson's sell-out - by Joseph Farah
worldnetdaily.com — Why did Pat Robertson "sell out" and endorse Rudy Guiliani, "a lifelong pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-gun, self-described 'liberal' for the Republican nomination"? Farah also criticizes Robertson for selling his Family Channel to Rupert Murdoch, who "is, arguably, the world's most well-known and successful pornographer" in 1997.
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- CharelsMartelFn, on 11/09/2007, -0/+14Pat Robertson is brainless, clueless and bereft of any intelligent judgment regarding either theology or politics. Why does anybody listen to this buffoon?
- MoniqueMoniCat, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6no one does...especially anymore. look to dwindling financial help from evangelicals in his "ministry." of course, perhaps the big financial payoff from rudy's camp just might offset that. but at least the $ won't come from us little folk who tithe and give to ministries, rather than eat sometimes. shame on robertson! he's really puffed up with pride here. even if he did like rudy, which is his freedom of choice, he should've thought about how it would affect the folks that spend their earnings supporting him out of their small measly paychecks thinking he will help in the Christian causes like anti-abortion. i know because i am one of them and i also know lots of other people like me that give to his cause who have given when they didn't have but $50 in the bank. shame, shame, shame on robertson. IS HE GETTING SENILE?
- these3remain, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6The same reason they listen to and support the rest of the TBN charlatans - a lack of discernment due to not knowing the Word of God.
- TeachX3, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4AMEN!
- congresssucks, on 11/09/2007, -0/+20If Robertson is hearing voices from God again, it isn't the God I know.
- JohnFromChicago, on 11/10/2007, -0/+20This is shameful. I do not know what he's thinking or what his agenda is. Moreover, I don't know what Christian America is thinking by continuing to support this man. Giuliani is pro-choice, anti-gun, and anti-Constitution. Pat is abusing his position here, and I hope Christians hold him accountable and stop supporting his ministry, and stop watching his broadcasts. Betrayed. I feel betrayed.
- lazerus9, on 11/10/2007, -0/+15Anyone that claims to be a Christian,but has no trouble endorsing a candidate that is openly pro-abortion, is not a Christian.
- monboy2303, on 11/09/2007, -0/+11You can be assured, I will no longer turn on that channel. I am angry and ashamed of his decision.
- KJeffV, on 11/09/2007, -0/+11Robertson is apparently discounting what God can and will do by attempting to out-maneuver a "destructive" 3rd-party uprising. Hey, Pat: "Let go, and let God!" (w/apologies to 12-steppers) Either you believe His promises in His Word—not to mention thousands of yrs of recorded history of the same!—or you don't. And, I don't want to hear about Him giving you "a word," either. God doesn't endorse murderers.
A TV-producer friend in Hampton Rds tells me that she & the entire staff there cringe every time Pat opens up. - levibo, on 11/09/2007, -0/+11I just called Pastor Robertson's voice mail (I was supposedly patched through by CBN operator) and expressed my extreme disappointment and shock at Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani. Oh my Lord, I have to ask the same question Joseph Farah asked in his article; who IS Pat Robertson???? My heart is actually grieving, but I'm sure it will be angry sometime soon.
- Temlakos, on 11/09/2007, -0/+10Pat Robertson is a has-been. He showed that when he sold his Family Channel to Rupert Murdoch.
I like some of the other comments I've seen--especially the ones about discounting what the Lord can do. If the Lord could flood the whole earth, and then make enough of that water go away so that Noah and his sons could repopulate--and if the Lord could strike Sennacherib's army with a pestilence after Hezekiah laid his nasty-gram on the altar in the Temple--well then, the Lord could handle a little thing like a US Presidential election. - johnny2k, on 11/10/2007, -0/+12I can't even come close to saying how disappointed I am in Robertson right now! Wow, has he just totally lost it? Or, is there something much more sinister going on here? I know, there are many of us that are extremely afraid of what will happen to this country if Hillary Rodham Clinton should become the next occupant of the White House. What I think happened is that somebody convinced Pat that the only chance of defeating Hillary is with Rudy on the GOP ticket. Well, obviously, Pat Robertson unfortunately listened to the wrong people! Hey, Pat, have your people call our people, okay? I don't think it is too late to back off the Rudy Endorsement. Pat, if your advisers would just check out the web every now and then, especially those of us that really care about whether America survives or not, you would find out that there is an ongoing "surge", people that are posting their comments with all their heart, soul, spirit, and mind, about what it will take to save America.
I am not going to be the one that endorses one candidate that can make a huge difference in how We the People actually run America, rather than THEM running OUR lives, so I'll allow some other patriots here to do that for us. I do that because there are some heroes here that do a much better job at expressing what we need to do. But my point here is to absolutely do what ever I can do to let Pat Robertson know that there are many of us that feel that we need to win the election in 2008 that DOESN'T have to involve voting for the lesser of two evils. We should have learned that in '96 when the best the GOP could do was Bob Dole.
IMHO, Giuliani won't beat Hillary, anyway. So, Pat, thanks again for the most pathetic strategy the Christian Right could come up with! What is so sad is how many voters that man will draw by his distorted political rhetoric. Being that Robertson can get so much press coverage just by opening his mouth, he should have thought much harder about the decision to endorse a person like Giuliani that is so far from being Christian, it makes me very sad to think about it.
Folks, we are the grass roots. Not Robertson. Your comments should be posted here as you never have done before. I don't care if you agree or disagree. This needs to be where you post your views. Was Robertson right? Has his endorsement hurt us? And is there something we can do to neutralize the damage that his endorsement of Giuliani has done to us? We want to take back this country, right? Talk! Let's show Pat that we can defeat Hillary without the likes of Rudy!- drachemorder, on 11/09/2007, -0/+11Robertson is about as wrong as it's possible to get. There is no difference in substance between Rudy and Hillary. If we endorse or support Rudy, we gain absolutely nothing even if he beats the Demonrats. We don't need to settle for the lesser candidate. Support the BEST candidate. If he loses, at least you can say you voted according to the dictates of your conscience. I couldn't live with myself if I voted for Rudy. Could you?
- Darel99, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4Amen, thats why every Christian should support Ron Paul. Not becuase of what he says but becuase he has a record to end Roe vs. Wade and he isn't willing to sell our naiton to the global elits.
- TeachX3, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5AMEN drachemorder!
- Darel99, on 11/09/2007, -1/+3Hey Johhny,
Your so close.... Just say it.... Ron Paul- johnny2k, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4RON PAUL!!!!!! Okay, I said it.... but my words are only words... ACTION is what we NEED! I've put up several good videos about Dr. Ron Paul on my youtube account (TheRealjohnny2k) in the last couple weeks. The latest one went over 3000 views in just the first few hours (my best ever!) Also, I didn't want to say it above, Darel, because my point in that post was more about Robertson's ill-advised endorsement. Yet, I was trying to leave it open for the rest of you to say who you were backing! I wasn't sure how long it would take... But thank you, Darel, for saying it!
- savvyconsumer7, on 11/18/2007, -0/+2Christian leaders are not showing good judgment this election cycle. When leadership speaks in accordance with God's word, we follow ... when they diverge, we depart.
I'm supporting Alan Keyes in 2008. He is the best candidate in the field.
- drachemorder, on 11/09/2007, -0/+11Robertson is about as wrong as it's possible to get. There is no difference in substance between Rudy and Hillary. If we endorse or support Rudy, we gain absolutely nothing even if he beats the Demonrats. We don't need to settle for the lesser candidate. Support the BEST candidate. If he loses, at least you can say you voted according to the dictates of your conscience. I couldn't live with myself if I voted for Rudy. Could you?
- MoniqueMoniCat, on 11/09/2007, -6/+0basing any "evangelical snubbery" on pat robertson and that other so called evagelical guy from the baptist organization (whom i've never heard of) as detrimental to evangelicals or good for rudy is ridiculous. but i guess from an "outsider in the secular world," pat robertson and the like would seem like powerful evangelicals. however, to most evangelicals like me, robertson is not really one...anymore that is. he doesn't carry a lot of weight. we were bothered he came out and supported rudy, but after the shock wore off, we pretty much figure it's par for the course for robertson who is way past his hey-day in our world anyway, and this recent endorsement of rudy just sealed that for us. it's evangelicals like rob parsley, benny hinn, jensen franklin, john hagee, james robison that are MUCH MORE INFLUENTIAL, along with larry hutch and other great Christian leaders on TBN; and you can best bet they are with Huckabee.
- almonds646, on 09/11/2008, -0/+10you lost all credibility with your last sentence
- MoniqueMoniCat, on 11/09/2007, -2/+0reread what i stated before reacting emotionally, here's the first definition of "great" from the dictionary:
great (grāt) (adjective)
1. of much more than ordinary size, extent, volume, etc.; esp.,
designating a thing or group of things larger than others of the same kind the great cats are tigers, lions, etc.; the Great Lakes
large in number, quantity, etc.; numerous a great company
long in duration a great while
the fact is those preachers i mentioned from TBN do have huge followings of millions of viewers and supporters because of that they are extremely influential with folks that watch them and there are millions that do. and in that context they are great preachers. the "great" you are referring to is a secondary definiation of the word great. ask before you judge my brother.
remember you and me and any christian, all we are are servants of the most high God. i'd like to provide you with a definition of "servant," but time will not allow it. you seem to think you can speak to another sister in the Lord like you did when you were incorrect. read Matthew and the beatitudes and remember we are not to call each other a "fool," i believe Jesus said it was equivalent to murder.- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Calling someone a fool is the equivalent to murder??? Wow. We can call them "brood of vipers" instead. That's what Jesus and John the Baptist called some of the Jews.
For me, just the last word of your original post (Huckabee) made you lose all credibility with me.
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Calling someone a fool is the equivalent to murder??? Wow. We can call them "brood of vipers" instead. That's what Jesus and John the Baptist called some of the Jews.
- MoniqueMoniCat, on 11/09/2007, -2/+0reread what i stated before reacting emotionally, here's the first definition of "great" from the dictionary:
- skibob1027, on 11/09/2007, -0/+9Your lack of discernment regarding theology and the real leaders in Christianity is truly amazing.
- these3remain, on 11/09/2007, -0/+8Actually, truly frightening.
- these3remain, on 11/09/2007, -0/+10I'm sorry but discerning Christians realize that 98% of those who appear on TBN are at best charlatans and in most cases, false teachers. The only one that I can think of who appears on TBN who has any credibility with regard to Biblical Christianity is Greg Laurie - and they probably only buy time because that's the only network that they can get on since msm won't carry any real Christian programming. I would encourage you to learn to read and study your Bible for yourself in order to develop the discernment that Christians truly need in these last days.
- MoniqueMoniCat, on 11/09/2007, -3/+0and you lost all credibility, as someone who doesn't read and reacts emotionally to what i wrote. please reread what i said. i said they were influential and they are, they have tons of voting viewers and for that they ARE influential. whether we agree with their views or not, doesn't change my statement. i didn't say they were influential with me personally and i didn't judge their ministries. the truth is they have millions of viewers and for that they are influential. and by the way Laurie and Stanley are on TBN. personally i like chuck misler www.khouse.org. i just named the ones on TBN with the biggest following, thus they're more influential.
next time you speak, read the words carefully before reacting emotionally. it is your discernment that is incorrect here.- these3remain, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2"Next time you speak, read the words carefully." Those who responded to your post, did read your words carefully. You need to reread your own post objectively and then you would realize that it comes across as one who gives credence to TBN charlatans ; e.g. your use of the adjective "great" describing them as well as calling them "evangelicals". They are not "evangelicals". Most are charismatics. Perhaps you are confusing the term with evangelists - it would even be questionable to call them that. I already noted that Greg Laurie was on TBN. I'm unconcerned about my loss of "all credibility" from you since you are obviously young in the faith as can be noted from your post. You seem to pride yourself for not judging the ministries on TBN. This is another mistake often made by those who do not know what the Word of God states. We are not to judge NON-BELIEVERS; believers we are to rebuke publicly for their sins , without partiality, according to I Tim. 5:17-25. I could continue to site passages regarding the same precept but it would be best for you to look them up for yourself so that you can learn to discern. Btw, take the log out of your own eye before you pronounce someone losing "all credibility" since you yourself don't read the posts completely and react emotionally rather than responding thoughtfully. While I think highly of Chuck Missler, there is no substitution for learning to read and study the Bible inductively. Too many Christians simply accept the teachings of others because they do not read and study the Bible for themselves.
- MoniqueMoniCat, on 11/09/2007, -3/+0and you lost all credibility, as someone who doesn't read and reacts emotionally to what i wrote. please reread what i said. i said they were influential and they are, they have tons of voting viewers and for that they ARE influential. whether we agree with their views or not, doesn't change my statement. i didn't say they were influential with me personally and i didn't judge their ministries. the truth is they have millions of viewers and for that they are influential. and by the way Laurie and Stanley are on TBN. personally i like chuck misler www.khouse.org. i just named the ones on TBN with the biggest following, thus they're more influential.
- drachemorder, on 11/09/2007, -0/+9You lost me when you said "Benny Hinn" and "influential" in the same sentence.
- these3remain, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3Apparently mcat was using "influential" to describe the vast audience of undiscerning Christians who follow these numbnuts.
- LifeguardMom, on 11/09/2007, -0/+9Amen to that - TBN is hardly a biblically based organization. They are showman - nothing more. And Hinn credible? This man is a proven liar and a charlatan. I had friends who worked for TBN 20+ years ago and had to leave because of the corruption and non-Christian leadership. If you want someone with true Christian principles, look to Greg Laurie, Oz Guiness or Charles Stanley. Stay away from TBN.
- almonds646, on 09/11/2008, -0/+10you lost all credibility with your last sentence
- nutz2u2, on 11/09/2007, -1/+7Let's be charitable here. Perhaps ol' Pat is just becoming senile.
- drachemorder, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Becoming? He crossed that bridge a long time ago.
- Darel99, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4
I have to question the authenticity of Joseph's Christian character when he states "I have known, liked and admired Pat Robertson for about 25 years – maybe more."
Pat Robertson without a doubt began with a principled center and has helped many all around the world with his vision but we must stand on principles and principles only. Keep in mind Pat Robertson is more like Sampson then any other biblical character where God gave him one last chance to tear the building down in his name. Though Pat has been past this point for a number of years he has proclaimed he was a prophet and told the entire world certain event would occur and the misguided, the ignorant Christian base simply patted Pat on his back after his prophetic words failed and still embraced him as a Christian leader. This should be a warning to every Christian, Why?
The Bible warns us all of false teachers and provides instruction with how they are to be handled. Pat is a false teacher and he has lost his way. The only reply a Christian should give him and to personal attempt to meet with him in person and take two or more brothers in Christ to meet with him and confront the issues... If he resists it's time the Christian community turns their back on Pat Robertson and every non profit he has set up. Your Christian gifts must fund other sources which offer similar or improved charitable sources. Their are many all you have to do is search for them.
I share this with you because January of this year myself and two other Christian's sought to meet with Pat to express our concerns and our meeting was denied. The only result we can offer is to eliminate all funding to every one of Pat's efforts. That includes Regent College, 700 club, Christian Coalition. Our church cut off funds to Regent yesterday and I typically give over $50K direct to the air hospital but my funding ended in Jan. You should end all funding to any Christian source which has lost it's way. Not long ago Pat invited Mitt to speak at graduation ceremony I suppose we now can conclude that Pat no longer believes in Christian Values at all.
An even more disturbing revelation was offered by none other then Pat. Pat confessed he is a 33rd degree Mason. My grandfather was a mason and on his death bed he confessed to things the Masons believed and supported and asked hia family to never support or become a member of the Masons. He wend on to discuss Albert Pike and stated he had Albert's book in a special place at home. I went to find the book after my grandfather passed away and the book itself is based on cult riddles, etc.
But he states clearly" When the 33 degree Mason fully understands the traditions he will behold the seething powers of Lucifer in his hands" With such revelation and Pat's own admission is it possible that Pat Robertson has been serving anther God all along yet appear to support Christ? With Pat's position with Rudy I dont' think we have to look to far away that Rudy supports many evil plans. This should be an even greater reason not to support Pat or Rudy at all.
As a Christian we need to return to the principles offered by aged old wisdom.
As a Christian I support Ron Paul all other fake conservatives exit stage left.- Takalth, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6I see Joseph Farah as an intelligent man with a few blind spots that he is slowly getting around, and his blind spot on Pat Robertson is probably a result of not studying him deeply enough.
Like Rush Limbaugh, he still clings to the Republican party who have repeatedly betrayed his principles as the people who can save the nation. Unlike Rush, he's beginning to figure out that the mainstream Republican leaders are just Democrats with a thin, fake Christian shell that helps them get votes. Likewise, he's beginning to recognize more and more how much politics is controlled by organizations like the CFR, Fed, and Bilderbergers, which is an important major step.
I think he's coming to the light, and by the time the primaries are here, I honestly won't be surprised to see him endorse Ron Paul, but right now, he's in the process (as I was a couple years ago) of having many of his lifelong world views challenged.- Darel99, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3I agree and I hope he does come around.... but I'm also the kind of person to call it like I see it :)
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Pat Robertson is a 33rd degree Mason??? I think you are lying. Got any publicy documented proof?
- Darel99, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Hi Djmdjm,
I understand how you may feel it's unbelievable that many of our Christian leaders have lied to us for many years. Sure evidence is important. I have an old clip that i recorded in November 2006 I think it was ABC or NBC. It was a late night interview regarding mega Christians. He was asked other then his nonprofit what other organizations he was proud to be a part of and it appears to me that he let it slip. When he mentioned he was a 33rd degree mason he quickly changed the conversation. The interviewer either didn't realize how valuable this information was or didn't care to discuss or was aware and didn't want to expose the issue. So go check the archives in November for ABC or NBC. In the days to come I will try to locate it and if I notice your post then I will offer improved details.
Also, My grandfather who was a high ranking Mason and confessed how evil the group is on his death Bed... He did see Billy Graham at a Freemson event and stated he had falsly mislead Christians for years. I did notice a lot of information on the Internet. Dr. Cathy Burns is at the top of her game of exposing fake Christian leaders.
I did find some details from Cathy regarding Billy and perhaps it will expand your thoughts to consider more details.
Freemasons Pay Tribute to Graham
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1742.cfm - michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2See Pat Robertson giving the Masonic sign of the devil's claw on the cover of Time Magazine from Feb. 17, 1986:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101860217 ...
See an explanation of this sign and other people using it:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/co ...
- Darel99, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2Hi Djmdjm,
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Darel, I also have a copy of that book I just bought fairly recently (Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike) because I knew it would be valuable in proving to others that Freemasonry is a Luciferian cult. "Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" - Albert Pike.
I also heard Billy Graham was a 33rd degree Freemason as well, and it doesn't surprise me one bit that Pat Robertson is one too. In fact, when I saw it reported on the news that he was endorsing Rudi Giuliani, my first thought was that this guy HAS to be one of *them*.
It's surprising how so many prominent or influential people are Freemasons. I just watched some videos on Youtube telling how many astronauts are Freemasons and that when they landed on the moon they consecrated it to the Freemason's god Lucifer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMRJsIsVxbA
I even saw video of Ronald Reagan giving Gorbachev a secret Illuminati handshake.- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Michael, as I said to Darel I say to you. I think what you said about Billy Graham is a total lie. Do you my man have some documented proof of this. False witness is a ten commandments breaker you know.
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1There is an image of Billy Graham giving the Masonic sign of the devil's claw in the link I provided above. There's an abundance of references on the internet indicating that Billy Graham was a 33rd degree Freemason. Here is a page that references a book by former Freemason Jim Shaw, who eventually converted to Christianity, but claims that Billy Graham took part in his 33rd degree initiation: http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/deadly.h ...
He's also been listed on "Famous Freemason" lists by Masonic Lodge websites: http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/list.htm
I don't understand why you would find it so hard to believe these guys could be Freemasons. When you consider the nature of Freemason - its secrecy and conspiracy - and when you consider their goals of creating a One World Government, a One World Economy, and a One World Religion, it should be no surprise that while they secretly gain positions of power in our government, control of big corporations and central banks, and control of the Big Media, that they might also secretly try to gain control over some of the religious movement from within as well.
There's a lot more Freemason "Evangelists" than Billy Graham and Pat Robertson. The Bible has warned you of these types of guys:
1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,"
Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves."
2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;"
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1There is an image of Billy Graham giving the Masonic sign of the devil's claw in the link I provided above. There's an abundance of references on the internet indicating that Billy Graham was a 33rd degree Freemason. Here is a page that references a book by former Freemason Jim Shaw, who eventually converted to Christianity, but claims that Billy Graham took part in his 33rd degree initiation: http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/deadly.h ...
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Michael, as I said to Darel I say to you. I think what you said about Billy Graham is a total lie. Do you my man have some documented proof of this. False witness is a ten commandments breaker you know.
- Takalth, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6I see Joseph Farah as an intelligent man with a few blind spots that he is slowly getting around, and his blind spot on Pat Robertson is probably a result of not studying him deeply enough.
- these3remain, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Once again, most of the problems facing Christians in regard to men like Robertson is discernment. Christians need to learn to "rightly divide the Word of Truth" for themselves and stop accepting the barrage of false teachers that parade themselves around on TBN. Stop thinking that there is a political solution to the woes our nation faces when it is a spiritual problem. While we have a responsibility to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's the first priority is to render unto God what is God's. That means that the Body of Christ needs to repent,stop worshiping at the the altar of cultural relevancy and begin to live lives that are the full reflection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Quit following man - you will only be disappointed as reflected by the many posts here. Does God have a candidate that He wants us to elect? If He does, He will reveal that and in any event, whoever occupies the Oval Office will do so because of the sovereign hand of God. Either to hasten the day of Christ's return, or , according to God's mercies, extend the time to win as many as possible.
- KJeffV, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6Thank you!
- TeachX3, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6AMEN these3remain!!
- congresssucks, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5Since Bush, it looks like to hasten the day of Christ's return.
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6"Either to hasten the day of Christ's return, or , according to God's mercies, extend the time to win as many as possible."
Yes! All Christians should be supporting both possibilities, whichever is God's will, and should delight in it. Too many just seem overly anxious for the end to come without any consideration that just maybe it is God's will for the end to come at a much later time, providing the opportunity to win over more souls for Christ.- johnny2k, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4Very well said! Though I am still looking forward to when He comes back, I know that as long as I am still here, I still have more time to win over more people to Jesus, and I do not take that lightly! Amen, brothers and sisters!
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -2/+0Perhaps beneath the surface of this endorsement might be something that God is in on. Pat may know something that most Christians do not; especially those who do not like the idea of the Holy Spirit showing believers things to come (John 16:13). Although I do not think the man is a prophet I certainly know he is a believer. Although as a Christian, a Giuliani Presidency would be far far from what I would like. What I do know is that there are some (good)promises from God attached to the next two presidents for America. It does not necessarily mean that they be Christians for those promises to be fulfilled. Those presidents I believe will however be men as opposed to women.
- congresssucks, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3You sound a little puffed up.
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+0Why is that?
- congresssucks, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4Sound like you are trying to be the prophet. As far as Pat is concerned, " what good is salt if it has lost it's saltiness?" The times when God uses the pagans for his will is when great sanctions are in store for his people, Bible history. In other words when we haven't been to faithful. We should always resist Satan, not encourage him.
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+0Why is that?
- Darel99, on 11/09/2007, -0/+2I think you have joined "The Secret" and all the other false faiths to provide a summary as yours..... It's real simple read the bible and support Christians. It sounds as if you are more then willing to vote for a man who does not profess Christ and to me and other that is a shame.
Ron Paul is the only one running who has the record by back his words and to add he is a strong Christian. Did you notice his rebuke today of the fed chairman?- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Who said I would be voting for Giuliani and not a Christian in the primary? I will under no circumstances be voting for Ron Paul in the Primary though. I think he is an idiot based on what I heard him say about Iraq 4 months ago. That our immediate withdrawal from Iraq would not result in a bloodbath of genocidal proportions. Then he went on to say even if that did happen it does not matter, it is none of our business, or our responsibility. Another reason I would not be voting for him is because people like you and the others on this board that will be voting for him. I think you are a good representation of what a Ron Paul presidancy would be like.
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1You're right, people like Darel are a good representation of what a Ron Paul presidency would be like - well-informed with respect for truth and respect for the Constitution. You are a good representation of people who oppose Ron Paul. You are ignorant to important issues going on in the world, and still deny the truth even after someone lays out the facts for you. Case in point: Pat Robertson and Billy Graham being Freemasons, and what Freemasonry is all about, not to mention the whole situation in the Middle East and its purpose.
My suggestion to you is to do a lot of research on what these globalist groups are trying to accomplish, such as the Freemasons, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, etc. Ron Paul recognizes that our domestic enemies who make up our shadow government, who control our Big Media, who own our central banks and control our monetary policy, are all treasonous globalists. He recognizes that by restoring the Constitution to the rule of law and placing the limits on government that the Constitution sets, that these globalists will be rendered nearly powerless. He recognizes that they are more of a threat for concern than some Muslims in the Middle East. He recognizes that the efforts in the Middle East for nation building are more for the purposes of the globalist elite's agenda, than it is for our national security.
But if you'd prefer to stay ignorant to the truth and vote for anyone other than Ron Paul, you should know that all you'll get is more of the same. More big government, more big spending, more big debt, wide open borders, free trade and monetary policy that is destroying our economy and transferring all our wealth from the poor and average American into the hands of these elite. You may be considering voting for someone like Huckabee. He's a big government, open borders, liberal pawn of the globalist elite. He has their endorsement as well, and most likely will be tapped for Vice President under one of their "top tier" globalist elite club members.
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1You're right, people like Darel are a good representation of what a Ron Paul presidency would be like - well-informed with respect for truth and respect for the Constitution. You are a good representation of people who oppose Ron Paul. You are ignorant to important issues going on in the world, and still deny the truth even after someone lays out the facts for you. Case in point: Pat Robertson and Billy Graham being Freemasons, and what Freemasonry is all about, not to mention the whole situation in the Middle East and its purpose.
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1Who said I would be voting for Giuliani and not a Christian in the primary? I will under no circumstances be voting for Ron Paul in the Primary though. I think he is an idiot based on what I heard him say about Iraq 4 months ago. That our immediate withdrawal from Iraq would not result in a bloodbath of genocidal proportions. Then he went on to say even if that did happen it does not matter, it is none of our business, or our responsibility. Another reason I would not be voting for him is because people like you and the others on this board that will be voting for him. I think you are a good representation of what a Ron Paul presidancy would be like.
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3Sure, Pat Robertson is a believer alright - a believer that Lucifer is god and "The Great Architect Of The Universe". He's a 33rd degree Freemason. See Darel's comments above. Knowing Pat is a Freemason makes his endorsement of Giuliani not just unsurprising but expected.
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1You know Michael, you are being foolish. Believing that Pat Robertson and Billy Graham are 33rd degree or any degree mason. What proof do you have of this? Anything? Why would you spread such a malicious thing without eye witness accounts. You don't think after a half a century of these two God would not have exposed these two as Masons to all the world by now? Do you even know that Masons of that rank swore an oath to stand with and protect other masons even if it involves murder or treason? In other words a Mason who is a judge must find away to get the mason who committed any crime whatsoever off the hook. Masonry isn't a cult as most would understand a cult. It is a criminal Enterprise that has caused great damage to our country over the centuries. They only include that false religious stuff as part of their stupid oaths.
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Check out Darel's and my comments above for proof about Pat and Billy being Freemasons. God allows evil to exist in the world to the extent that it can be used for retribution or for some purpose according to God's will. Remember He allowed Jesus to be tortured and crucified for a purpose according to His will. As for Pat and Billy, they HAVE been exposed.
In addition to Freemasons helping each other stay out of jail, they also help each other in business dealings and promotions. It's more than just an ole boy's club though. It most certainly is a satanic cult. We mentioned Albert Pike above, who was one of the founders and the head of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. Pike was jailed for treason after the civil war, but his fellow mason President Andrew Johnson pardoned him. Some notable quotes from Pike's book "Morals and Dogma" prove that Masonry is most certainly a Satanic cult:
"Every Masonic lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion...Masonry, like all religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it... The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason… every man's conception of God must be proportioned to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence. God is, as man conceives him, the reflected image of man himself."
"The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black god... Lucifer, the Light Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light...Doubt it not!"
"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry... It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain."
- michael4lsu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Check out Darel's and my comments above for proof about Pat and Billy being Freemasons. God allows evil to exist in the world to the extent that it can be used for retribution or for some purpose according to God's will. Remember He allowed Jesus to be tortured and crucified for a purpose according to His will. As for Pat and Billy, they HAVE been exposed.
- djmdjm, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1You know Michael, you are being foolish. Believing that Pat Robertson and Billy Graham are 33rd degree or any degree mason. What proof do you have of this? Anything? Why would you spread such a malicious thing without eye witness accounts. You don't think after a half a century of these two God would not have exposed these two as Masons to all the world by now? Do you even know that Masons of that rank swore an oath to stand with and protect other masons even if it involves murder or treason? In other words a Mason who is a judge must find away to get the mason who committed any crime whatsoever off the hook. Masonry isn't a cult as most would understand a cult. It is a criminal Enterprise that has caused great damage to our country over the centuries. They only include that false religious stuff as part of their stupid oaths.
- congresssucks, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3You sound a little puffed up.
- thomas7, on 11/09/2007, -1/+3Pat Robertson has continually been a fall guy the media used when it wanted a dumb Christian to embarrass himself. Pat has done more damage to the faith than good. The only thing that keeps him from being a total waste is his operation blessing that helps the poor. To bad he does not understand that more children die in America daily than die on 911. We can still get a pro life candidate that is strong on defense. Huckabee
- art42, on 11/09/2007, -5/+1"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine."
George Washington- KJeffV, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4“To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.” — Geo Washington
- wethepeople1, on 11/10/2007, -2/+4Note to Joe Farah: Alan Keyes is the candidate to rally around in these desperate times......someone of unwavering backbone who will confront the anti-God forces circling around.......as far as "he is unelectable, it can't be done".......that IS un-American sentiment........it is the same sentiment voiced to our Founding Fathers, Patton, McArthur, etc., etc......furthermore, such sentiment is is an insult to all who have ever been members of our Armed Forces.......it is time to rally around a true leader, Alan Keyes, Republican.
- TrashDispatch, on 11/10/2007, -0/+2Alan Keyes ain't bad. In deed he is Very knowledgeable, articulate, detailed, and yeah, I believe a very good presidential candidate. However, most Americans are blinded to his pro-American policies, by his pastoral like presentations.
- quedice, on 11/09/2007, -0/+8"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible". George Washington, from his personal prayer book. Hey Pat, ask Rudy whom he serves. Not the God I know and love.
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