- cheesegypsy, on 09/12/2008, -1/+15I'm expecting a lot of comments about the NATO business, about how she tied it to NATO membership. We have spent the better part of the Bush administration seeing how much we could provoke Russia, doing little more than stirring their nationalistic sentiment and making Putin's case for hardline leadership ever more viable. Missile defense systems in their backyard, NATO memberships, and plenty of saber rattling. Haven't we pissed off enough of the world? Our government's tax base is rapidly shrinking as we head into some deep economic ***** and the last thing we need is anyone even mentioning the idea of attacking Russia, or Iran, or whoever is on the Republican's hit list this week. No more hawks in the White House.
- Shaman760, on 09/12/2008, -2/+18Wow, not even in office yet and she wants to go and kill Russia? More of the same, more of the same. Can we afford this lunatic? Absolutely not!!
- jabberwolff, on 09/12/2008, -4/+0Cutting full answers... yep that's liberal clipping for you.
More of the same deception by leftist nuts. - uweckyle, on 09/12/2008, -0/+0Where did she say she wanted to "kill Russia"? All she said is that war with Russia is an option if a NATO state is attacked. Do you want her to say that we will never attack Russia in that situation, thus stating that we will not follow through with our NATO obligations? Pull your head out of your ass.
- jabberwolff, on 09/12/2008, -4/+0Cutting full answers... yep that's liberal clipping for you.
- AmericanElitist, on 09/12/2008, -2/+16wow, keep her as far away from the Presidency as possible, this nut will get the world anhilated. war with Russia? We can't even wage war on Afghanistan and Iraq effectively. Russia? Really? We are going to risk nuclear war if they invade Georgia again? It would be humorously stupid if she wasn't really truly on the Replublicon ticket for vp. Really. This person could be our vp. wow, I just can't even wrap my brain around how this could have happened. how did a screwball like this get on a mjor party ticket?
- riverrunner, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Not only could she be our VP, she could be the P. I wish it were just a joke but sadly its no joke.
- Boogalou007, on 09/12/2008, -0/+11This woman has no business being the governor of a redneck state, let alone the VP!!! WTF was McCain thinking??!! Christ!!!
- jabberwolff, on 09/12/2008, -9/+2FULL RESPONSE:
"Under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?" Gibson asked in the excerpts.
"Perhaps so," Palin replied. "I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help."
"And you think it would be worth it to the United States, Georgia is worth it to the United States, to go to war, if Russia were to invade?" Gibson pressed.
Palin replied that the United States needs to be vigilant, but she argued that steps such as economic sanctions should be considered first.
"It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a cold war, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us," she said.
Pretty dam good answer !! Would anyone like Obama (or even Mccain) answer that or simply dance around it?
Thanks for the propaganda but everyone is looking for leftist clipping of answers... nice try though.- oldhick, on 09/12/2008, -2/+1People digg down the actual quote in favor of the digg manipulated fear mongering... Crazy ***** people.
- Veronica98, on 09/12/2008, -0/+16Palin said that "Russia invaded Georgia unprovoked." NOT TRUE. BIG CHENEY LIE. Georgia sent troops to S. Ossetia to clamp down on the rebel province which doesn't want to be part of Georgia and really isn't. They are RUSSIAN citizens. After Georgian troops went in- then Russian troops went in. SHE DID NOT KNOW THIS. All proof below from NYT & British papers.
Georgia attacked S. Ossetia – they started it. And I tell you a secret- Karl Rove was in Yalta in late July and so was Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili and ROVE gave him the thumbs up.
That is why Putin declared a couple weeks ago that US Elections were the cause of the conflict – and everybody laughed when Putin blamed the White House. Rove gave tacit thumbs up to send in troops to Saakashvili and Randy Schuenemann, McCain campaign and Lobbyist for Georgia.
McCain tried to cover for her at the “Forum” tonight by saying out of the blue “Russia attacked a tiny Democracy Georgia.” Don’t let him get away with it.
From the NYT last week- Georgian troops attacked the capital of S. Ossetia. Russia responded as they ALWAYS said they would if Georgia attacked S. Ossetia. They are RUSSIAN CITIZENS IN S. OSSETIA. Now, Cheney says the “Separatists started it” in S. Ossetia and denies Georgia sending in troops to quash the “rebellion.”
Mr. Medvedev made it clear that he was stung by the criticism from Europe, which condemned Russia’s actions as “a disproportionate response” to a Georgian attack on separatists in South Ossetia. Asked whether the conflict was headed to a cold-war-type standoff, he cast Russia as the aggrieved party and referred pointedly to the Bush administration’s plan to place a missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic.
“I would like our respected partners to pay attention to the fact that we are not the ones broadening the borders of military presence, it’s NATO,” he said. “We are not the ones creating new bases, it’s NATO. We are not deploying the missile defense system, it’s NATO.”
“We were in constant dialogue” about the planned missile defense system, he said. “We asked why we needed it. But since the decision has been made, if the radar is going to be turned on, we have to respond to this. Because we got no reasonable explanation of why it was done.”
The long-simmering conflict in Georgia escalated quickly on Aug. 8, soon after Georgian troops attacked the capital of the separatist enclave of South Ossetia.
Moscow, which has long supported the separatists, responded by sending troops deep into Georgian territory, saying it was necessary to protect its citizens. Although South Ossetia is within Georgia’s borders, many people there carry Russian passports.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/world/europe/03r ...
Many factors are involved in the present conflict but the central one is straightforward: the majority of the Ossetes living south of the main Caucasus range in Georgia wish to unite with the Ossetes living to the north, in an autonomous republic of the Russian Federation; and the Georgians, regarding South Ossetia as both a legal and an historic part of their national territory, refuse to accept this.
Twice in the past century, when the empire to the north weakened and Georgia declared its independence, the southern Ossetes revolted against Georgian rule.
Russia’s policy is driven by a mixture of emotion and calculation. The Russian security establishment likes the Ossetes, who have been Russian allies for more than 250 years. They loathe the Georgians for their antiRussian nationalism and alliance with the US. For a long time they hoped to use South Ossetia initially to keep Georgia within the Soviet Union and later in a Russian sphere of influence.
That Russian ambition has been abandoned largely in the face of the Georgians’ determination to escape from this influence.
What remains is an absolute determination not to be defeated by Georgia and not to suffer the humiliation of having to abandon Russia’s South Ossete client state, with everything that this would mean for Russian prestige in other areas. Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin made it clear again and again that if Georgia attacked South Ossetia, Russia would fight. Georgian advocates in the West claimed that Moscow was only bluffing. It wasn’t.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe ...
Chronology.
November 1989 - South Ossetia declares its autonomy from the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic, triggering three months of fighting.
December 1990 - Georgia and South Ossetia begin a new armed conflict which lasts until 1992.
June 1992 - Russian, Georgian and South Ossetian leaders meet in Sochi, sign an armistice and agree the creation of a tripartite peacekeeping force of 500 soldiers from each entity.
November 1993 - South Ossetia drafts its own constitution.
November 1996 - South Ossetia elects its first president.
December 2000 - Russia and Georgia sign an intergovernment agreement to re-establish the economy in the conflict zone.
December 2001 - South Ossetia elects Eduard Kokoity as president, in 2002 he asks Moscow to recognise the republic's independence and absorb it into Russia.
January 2005 - Russia gives guarded approval to Georgia's plan to grant broad autonomy to South Ossetia in exchange for dropping its bid for independence.
November 2006 - South Ossetia overwhelmingly endorses its split with Tbilisi in a referendum. Georgia's prime minister says this is part of a Russian campaign to stoke a war.
April 2007 - Georgia's parliament approves a law to create a temporary administration in South Ossetia, raising tension with Russia.
June 2007 - South Ossetian separatists say Georgia attacked Tskhinvali with mortar and sniper fire. Tbilisi denies this.
October 2007 - Talks hosted by the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe between Georgia and South Ossetia break down.
March 2008 - South Ossetia asks the world to recognise its independence from Georgia, following the West's support for Kosovo's secession from Serbia.
March 2008 - Georgia's bid to join NATO, though unsuccessful, prompts Russia's parliament to urge the Kremlin to recognise the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
April 2008 - South Ossetia rejects a Georgian power-sharing deal, insists on full independence.
August 2008 - Fighting breaks out between Georgian and separatist South Ossetian forces. Georgia says its forces have "freed" the greater part of the Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/g ...- fxmulder, on 09/12/2008, -1/+0Anyone who ties their stories to the NYtimes or the London Telegraph has problems of their own.
- aadyss, on 09/12/2008, -1/+0WOW! Veronica.....do you talk ALL of the time???????? You can stop now; you have your one million words in for September and October. Thank you!
- davidpdx, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5Palin wants a war with Russia? Maybe she's about 25 years too late.
- oldhick, on 09/13/2008, -0/+1I don't recall her saying she "wants" war with Russia. In all seriousness, please find that quote for me! I think her view is ignorant enough without piling lies and misdirections on top of it.
What I read (and its the only time she's been asked from what I've been able to research) was "It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a cold war, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us."
I definitely don't want the McCain/Palin ticket to be elected, but I'd do anything to help people on Digg have a fair and honest debate about these issues. This election is too important for this crap.
NATO membership should NOT be offered to Georgia. Plain and simple. We wouldn't tolerate Mexico or Canda joining the old Warsaw Pact.
- oldhick, on 09/13/2008, -0/+1I don't recall her saying she "wants" war with Russia. In all seriousness, please find that quote for me! I think her view is ignorant enough without piling lies and misdirections on top of it.
- barbiesnow, on 09/12/2008, -0/+9Sarah Strangelove .....no way, No McCain, No Palin.
- SheilaNoya, on 09/12/2008, -0/+11I'm sure Palin believes it's her Pentecostal "Duty from God" to wipe out the so-called "Godless Communists", along with the "Muslims" (her church preaches they worship a false religion). After all, she thinks the End Times are near and Armageddon is imminent. How far is she willing to go to fulfill the bible prophecy she so firmly believes in? How much destruction is she willing to create in an effort to "bring about the return of Jesus"?
Her extremist religious ideology, along with her "pitbull" attack style, makes her dangerous and unpredictable. I don't want her anywhere near the White House. I especially don't want her anywhere near our nuclear arsenal. - dixieluke, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4I understand that people in Russia are taking Palin seriously. Her statements lead me to believe that she's been coached by the Bush/Cheney group. McCain seems to have thrown aside any of his self-perception as a "manly" man to take on the most unprepared person he could as his surrogate just to win the Presidency. This speaks to his ego, but also to his weakness as a leader. If McCain wins this election, he will be ruled by Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Delay, and a host of others--the same group that has ruined our economy, has thrown us into unnecessary wars, who has threatened our standing with almost every other country--all because a powerful few don't want to give up power. I'll say it again. MCCAIN IS WEAK!
- DuggDowner, on 09/12/2008, -0/+6Palin is not Rove 2.0. Rove may be a traitor, but he's smart. And Palin, well she proved to America last night she doesn't quite have a grasp on the issues yet.
- Krisgi, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4McCain is rubbing his hands... At long last revenge on them risky ruskies...
Question: would a nation who has elected a President with special interests in petroleum prior to his being elected and coincidentally going to war with petroleum producers ALSO be capable of electing a President with special interests in getting even with Russia prior to his being elected and coincidentally going to war with.... guess who?
Now we just need to find some WMD´s in Georgia, even if it´s just in the metaphysical sense. No one in the US could give a ***** about the people of Iraq or Georgia until someone circled them on the US Strategic Interests Mapismundi.
It´s Operation Restore Democracy II... or is it III?
Thank god my son, who is 10 and has double nationality, could always renounce his US citizenship in order to avoid being drafted over the next conceivably war-torn decade. But what about other people´s kids?
We´ve got to get these people out of power NOW.
A lot of people have criticized me for saying that I would renounce my citizenship, too, if McCain wins... Well, I am already OUT of there, people, and thank you for suggesting that I leave but I beat you to it. Guess that makes me a visionary.
Fact is that I shouldn´t give a ***** about the US, but I do. That´s why I bother to get pissed off about things and vote. It would be easier and less embarassing to pretend that the US just doesn´t exist anymore for me... but I guess I´m just a sucker for happy endings. I got mine. I hope the rest of the Americans that I admire and respect get theirs, too. - PolishLogic, on 09/12/2008, -3/+1Well, you have to somehow counter Obama's statements that leave the option open for war with Iran.
- MrThinkingMan, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5I bet McCain will bomb Vietnam in revenge for a 30 year old grudge if he is elected! He is such a war-monger!
- aadyss, on 09/13/2008, -1/+0I'll take that bet. How about $500,000.
- PuterPrsn, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1If we are not going to back our allies, we need to remove ourselves from NATO. The whole purpose of the organization was mutual defense. It is obvious from the posters here that they do not feel that we should come to another country's defense for any reason. Therefore, we should remove ourselves from all treaties and alliances because those nations will no longer be able to count us among their friends and defenders.
I fail to see that defense systems threaten anyone. That's like saying putting in a burglar alarm and bars on the windows is inviting all criminals to attack your house. Or putting a defensive alarm on your car is open invitation to a car thief. - swrostmore, on 09/12/2008, -2/+1Rove has/had nothing to do with McCain/Bush foreign policy.
- aadyss, on 09/12/2008, -3/+0I think the more appropriate comment from the Palin haters would be "...i will not fight a war or protect my country EVER! We will negotiate away parts of the country we don't want and have a hissy fit if anyone wants to take away anything we want to keep. Poltroonery is our motto."
- kroses, on 09/14/2008, -0/+2These two neo-cons will not be content until the U.S. is blown up in retaliation by any one of several countries which are furious with us for our war-like behavior, especially in the past 8 years. If these MONSTERS are elected, God help us all, for that will be the end of the U.S. as we have all known it, up until now!!!!!
- levicro, on 09/15/2008, -0/+0
they better put more lipstick on her so she cant open those lips.... pitbulls need to be muzzled



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