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Obama passed law requiring interrogations to be taped.
washingtonpost.com — You didn't know this because most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. This is how the man with more years in a legislative position than Hillary came to be labeled "inexperienced".
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- tcbishop12, on 05/12/2008, -16/+257The description is misleading -- this article identifies and praises Obama's legislative work and the means by which he brought opposing interests together for the common good, rather than demeaning it.
The problem in the heading that Sen. Obama wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused. Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.
This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.
Obama had his work cut out for him. But by showing his opponents that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many. Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping.
Obama has a "unique" ability "to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people." In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric. That's the mark of a true leader.- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -62/+10What divides you? Answer for real.
Then ask yourself, what can the President do about it?
Then realize that ***** means absolutely nothing.
The mark of a true leader is someone who had success in leadership.- bgrah449, on 05/12/2008, -8/+42Wow. "The mark of a true leader is someone who had success in leadership." That comment just made the short list of candidates for Most Vapid Tautology Ever.
Getting bills passed through conflicted legislatures - that's exactly what we need a President to do.- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -35/+3That's not a tautology.
A tautology has the followin form: A because of A.
My statement would have to be "the mark of a true leader is someone who is a true leader". True not implying any form of success, but rather the quality of being an actual "true" leader.
This man talks about initiative and determination, not leadership. Leadership is simply the activity of leading, which implies having followers and directing them towards a common goal. - desqjockey, on 05/12/2008, -0/+17EOAssoWipo- that is a clear tautology. True leader = Successful leader. 'True leader' is a set of weasel words that do not mean anything by themselves, but you set it up as a tautology in your statement. Can someone be an unsuccessful "true leader"? No, because of the way you defined it.
The president can do a lot to quell what divides us- compromising on the bills he is willing to sign with the opposition, naming cabinet level positions with smart independent people not "loyal Bushies"; and he can sure as ***** stir it up and march us to war by calling dissenters traitors if that is on the agenda.- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -11/+1"Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric. That's the mark of a true leader."
The argument made is that the mark of a true leader is to be a motivational speaker. My argument is that the mark of a true leader is actual leadership. - ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -8/+1Since I'm pretty sure you won't get it:
A. the mark of a true leader.
B. Success in leadership.
A is B.
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -11/+1"Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric. That's the mark of a true leader."
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -35/+3That's not a tautology.
- tharju, on 05/12/2008, -1/+10What divides you? Answer for real. (Religious vs. Scientist, Evolution vs. Intelligent Design, Pro Life vs. Pro Choice, Pro War vs. Anti War, I could go on.)
Then ask yourself, what can the President do about it? (President Job is to find a common ground from both sides in order to pass the laws that make sense for this country future. Yes you may argue he/she may be an appeaser. True leader don’t give in, rather they persuade)
Then realize that ***** means absolutely nothing. (You are an idiot; sorry I couldn’t find the reasonable answer.)
The mark of a true leader is someone who had success in leadership. (huh?)- sodade, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6I agree and wonder when the red staters will split the union. It has been a long time coming - let's just get it over with already. Face it america, we have irreconcilable differences that no politician can heal. For example, pro-lifers think that a holocaust is going on under their noses - if I believed that (which I very much don't), I would never compromise on the issue and I'd consider the other side pure evil - you can't resolve that kind of difference.
- MoofTheStoof, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8There's not enough of them. For the last 30 years less than a third of the country has been setting the agenda for all of us. Now it's ending because they've just about run the country into the ground, and the rest of us are finally fed up. Once the wedge issues fizzle in the face of real issues like economy, statecraft and war, their numbers dwindle and the adults end up with a solid, working majority. There's going to be massive turnout this Nov. that will not only put Obama into the White House, but will make a very solidly Democratic House and Senate, too.
- asskicker32, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4I hope youre right, moof.
- Terr01, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3President as lawless dictator above all US laws versus President as a guy in a suit with a job.
- bjornski, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5And we can see that the former just isn't working....
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5"(Religious vs. Scientist, Evolution vs. Intelligent Design, Pro Life vs. Pro Choice, Pro War vs. Anti War, I could go on.)"
Everything you mentionned has been decided, approved and written in law. One of them was even decided more than 200 years ago. What does Obama mean when he talks about division, be specific?
"President Job is to find a common ground from both sides in order to pass the laws that make sense for this country future."
The president doesn't have the power to pass laws. And he doesn't find common grounds from anyone else than his own staff.- tharju, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Are you saying this country is not divided? Why don’t you explain where you stand? And your reply to my comment is still childish. Please elaborate.
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1I haven't said anything, I'm asking the person who did to explain himself.
His explanation being inherently flawed, I ask again. - tharju, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2i did reply your questions in a sensible manner. Judging by your -100xdiggs, I rest my case here. Thank you. come again.
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Appeal to popularity is a fallacy.
- sodade, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6I agree and wonder when the red staters will split the union. It has been a long time coming - let's just get it over with already. Face it america, we have irreconcilable differences that no politician can heal. For example, pro-lifers think that a holocaust is going on under their noses - if I believed that (which I very much don't), I would never compromise on the issue and I'd consider the other side pure evil - you can't resolve that kind of difference.
- Infidelcastr0, on 05/12/2008, -3/+6President Bush managed to do plenty of horrible things.
- smotpoker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4Consider how many people derive much of their beliefs from MSM and [their reporting/exaggeration of] government statements. Then consider how many government officials make their statements based on special interests and partisanship.
Now imagine the credibility both branches of the government could have if they weren't always running around making disingenuous claims and attacking each almost strictly for personal gain or out of spite. Without those false or exagerrated claims fueling hatred and misleading so many, there would be much less hostility all around.
That is what Obama is trying to offer - a government where we *know* (or can easily determine) what is going on and where we have representatives of people once again rather than corporations. Instead of focusing on making big corporations bigger, their CEOs richer and vilifying everyone we should be trying to understand the sources of our problems and work on solutions that do not rely on force, deception or hatred as catalysts.
Many of us have seen, known and felt this for a long time but have not yet seen the belief adequately represented in the current political environment until recently (hence all of the new and enthusiastic support that has manifest recently) and thus many didn't realize how feasible it was until they saw how many others felt the same- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5You mean like a one party state?
That's called fascism. They are supposed to argue about everything.- smotpoker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2No, I mean like friends instead of enemies. Friends can disagree and debate civilly, without unnecessary lies/misdirection and hostility (which both parties are guilty of). It is not called fascism, it is called not being ***** dishonest pricks all day and night.
Many people choose ignore facts (and therefore reality) out of spite and many people do not know/believe what even is a fact simply because of who stated it and/or who they are affiliated with. We are supposed to be able to trust the people in our government to be honest or lose office promptly and be as fair as possible even when we do not agree.
How can you expect anyone to agree with anything or make appropriate decisions (in the government or day-to-day life) when everyone is privy to a different set of "facts"? How can we trust anyone (citizen or official) who incessantly and ruthlessly attacks everything you believe in or who you have caught citing "inaccurate" information multiple times?
We must have honesty and accountability in our government for it to function and not antagonize or lie to each other to the point that we are willing to ignore reality out of pure spite. How else can the majority accurately/efficiently determine who to support or how much of what they say is true? - ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1"How else can the majority accurately/efficiently determine who to support or how much of what they say is true?"
I suppose logic and education are out of the question.
It's ***** laughable how you all believe in this man. Reminds me of the 2000 elections. Most of you just feel bad about electing Bush the last time around. I was right about him too. - smotpoker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2"I suppose logic and education are out of the question."
Logic and education necessitate relevant and accurate information, which are exceedingly hard to determine. Flawed input (information/facts) results in flawed output (votes, beliefs and analysis of relevant factors).
Again, with so much inaccurate information and petty distraction, how can anyone *efficiently and accurately* determine wtf is going on? How the ***** can you read a book when you were taught the alphabet wrong? Digging through 50000 contradictory websites or observing 50000 different contradictory politicians for an extended period of time is neither possible or ideal for the majority of people.
"It's ***** laughable how you all believe in this man. Reminds me of the 2000 elections. Most of you just feel bad about electing Bush the last time around. I was right about him too."
I cannot speak for anyone else, but I voted in the last election because I felt I had to after 9/11 and the stupidity of the previous election. I voted Kerry because after the election theft and due to the war, I felt it was highest priority to get Bush out and make sure his loss would be uncontestable. If there weren't millions of lives at stake, I would have voted for Kucinich over anyone else.
Shortly after, I discovered Obama when a speech on religion in the government was replayed on the news; I reviewed his stances and was a supporter from then on and decided if he ever ran for president I would vote for him. He has disappointed me a few times in recent weeks, but in the end it is about voting for what matters most; fundamental beliefs.
Personally, I have always found petty underhanded antagonism rather distasteful and all-around detrimental to society. To many of us it is disheartening and we do not wish to live in a world where it seems impossible to succeed without hurting people (or helping to) and forfeiting fundamental beliefs. In my case at least, I am voting for an ideal. One that I had never seen represented in government before Kucinich and one that I had never had a shot at mainstream approval before Obama.
I suspect many people who are into politics thrive on the conflict and dishonesty like a soap-opera or something. You either learn to love it or accept it as a state of existence that cannot be mitigated in any form and dismiss all attempts as folly. People are all as they always have been and always will be, huh? Well a lot of us believe that everything can be improved, we should always strive for perfection and help those around us in need - and we are willing to express that belief at the polls and with our income, especially now that we have a viable candidate who reflects it for the first time in my/our life - ElAssoWipo, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1Obama voted against Kuncinich's impeachment resolution, against Ron Paul congressional liability bill.
- smotpoker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2No, I mean like friends instead of enemies. Friends can disagree and debate civilly, without unnecessary lies/misdirection and hostility (which both parties are guilty of). It is not called fascism, it is called not being ***** dishonest pricks all day and night.
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5You mean like a one party state?
- bgrah449, on 05/12/2008, -8/+42Wow. "The mark of a true leader is someone who had success in leadership." That comment just made the short list of candidates for Most Vapid Tautology Ever.
- wild, on 05/12/2008, -7/+35[The mark of a true leader is someone who had success in leadership.]
I don't know about your knowledge of our state's politics, but getting anything done in Illinois politics takes a tremendous amount of leadership.
Gov. Blagojevich is a spineless ***** who risks legislation for his own hairbrained political point scoring. (See: Inserting a Seniors Ride Free provision into emergency funding to save the mass transit system in Chicago, nearly destroying the deal and tripling fairs while cutting service in half.)
Our state House and Senate are a bunch of morally vapid cronies who care more about getting revenge on each other than passing any real legislation.
And the mayor of our biggest and only world class city, Chicago, is as corrupt as his gangland friendly father, constantly putting friends and family in high ranking positions while they lack qualifications. (That isn't to say he hasn't used it to serve the city well, but nothing happens in Illinois without him buying off on it.)
Trust me when I say that what Obama accomplished here is very impressive from a leadership position, and its a shame it doesn;t get more play on the national stage.- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -21/+6That's determination. Not leadership.
The difference between a leader and a determined person is that the leader takes decisions that affect people. Obama doesn't make such decisions, he presents arguments to leaders. Being convincing is not leadership either. He's a good talker. The lawyer is not the judge.
Obama has a lot of experience with positives. He works to gain things. That's great. But it's not leadership.- kingmanic, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6Leadership is convincing people to do what you want without too many side effects or screw ups. There are many tactics and which ever one obama uses seem to work in the areas he's operated in.
- bgrah449, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Operator: You almost had me! I see now this was a Turing test. It was a very good attempt!
- bjornski, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5Then maybe it's time we need a "team leader" like that. The current trend of following a stubborn, stupid fool who doesn't give a tinkers damn about what anyone else in the team thinks, unless it's "Yes, sir!" hasn't been working out to well.
Maybe it's time the elected officials of the people acted a a team again, instead of enemies.
If that's our option, when compared against a "leader" such as we have now, I'll take it.- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1You mean like a politician that keeps talking about a one state government? They're selling fascism and you don't even realize it.
- wild, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8Well, it is determination, and leadership. He got things done and was the one figuring out how to do it.
And lets look at what this really says about Obama. He was able to get the unification he needed to pass the laws that were needed. As President, he won't be a lawmaker. He will be the executive leader, and it will be his job to help steer the course and work to get things done. He is influential when among the ranks. Imagine the potential for what he can do when he has the head job.- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -4/+1"He got things done and was the one figuring out how to do it."
That's called management.
Leadership: A leader is one who conducts, precedes as a guide to others in action or opinion, one who takes the lead in any enterprise or movement, one who is ‘followed’ by disciples or adherents, the most eminent member of a profession, a person of eminent position and influence, the first person in a file, one in the front rank.
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -4/+1"He got things done and was the one figuring out how to do it."
- piratehead, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Perhaps determination is part of leadership?
- JoeFelice, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Hey, not a bad comment, but what's with dissing every other city in the US?
I think the "world" would disagree with you.
Oh, and ElAssoWipo's definition pretty much disqualifies anyone in the legislature, which means all the current candidates.- YourDoom123, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1he meant illinois' only world class city... read more carefully
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -21/+6That's determination. Not leadership.
- EricAnderton, on 05/12/2008, -3/+4Awesome summary. Thank you for taking the time to write that. I have a renewed respect for this man.
- skribble, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Plagiarize != Summary
- sh4rkb1t3, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3I agree with the above comments because I believe Hilary Clinton would not make as good a president as Barrack Obama.
- t0x2c, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5Wow, way to copy your whole post from the article.
- Fordi, on 05/12/2008, -7/+3Hijack!
Apparently, Obama picked up four more SDs while I wasn't looking, so my assessment of the race needs updated!
Total
....Delegates: 3253
....SuperDelegates: 795
....Overall: 4048
Simple Majority: 2025
Standings
....Obama
........Delegates: 1590.5
........SDs: 279
........Overall: 1869.5
........Needed: 155.5
....Clinton
........Delegates: 1426.5
........SDs: 270.5
........Overall: 1697
........Needed: 328
....Remainder
........Delegates: 236
........SDs: 245.5
........Overall: 481.5
Projected
....Obama: 115.39
....Clinton: 103.49
....Needed SD's
....Obama: 40.11 (16.34%)
....Clinton: 224.51 (91.45%)
Clinton lead for delegate tie in all remaining contests: 46 Pt
Implied delegate gains by that lead
....Clinton: 172.5 (73.09%)
....Obama: 63.5 (26.91%) - Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -4/+0+1 point for that State law, unfortunately he also voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act which is federal, so -50 for that. Go ahead and copy his speech on that vote in as a comment, it doesn't matter how you try to justify it, the vote, and the people voting for it including Clinton, McCain and of course Bush, speaks for itself.
- IpecacNeat, on 05/13/2008, -1/+2The thing is, when you actually listen to why he voted for it, it makes sense. It was going to pass either way, so rather than throw away his vote, he used it to make some necessary changes. I'm sure you have heard all this before, but it need mentioning because people need to hear the whole story.
- Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -8/+3Care to explain all the times he voted "present" instead of taking a hard stance on a bill while he was in Illinois?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20ob ...- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1You're never going to get an answer.
- shortysmyname, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Out of 4,000 votes cast, I hardly call 130 "present" votes an issue.
- UTKEngineer, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Ask the bigger question.
The article says we should "judge him by his laws." But, after congratulating himself for two paragraphs, the author of this article only address one law and addresses it from a HUGELY biased view point ("Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes." source? evidence? *****?).
If we're really going to judge him by his laws, why don't we address the fact that he voted we AGAINST a law which would prevent homeowners from being charged on weapons violations if they use the weapon in their own home for legitimate self-defense? Or the fact he doesn't believe the 2nd Amendment has anything to do with self-defense at all?
Why don't we address the fact that he's radically pro abortion, voting against a law which would require health care be given to babies which survive an abortion?
How about the fact he claims to be for "common sense" gun laws. According to him, it's "common sense" to ban all semi-automatic weapons!
Yeah, please do judge (hang) him by his laws, all of them. No cherry picking allowed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics ...- IpecacNeat, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1I see all the things you posted, and I agree more with Barack than I did before. Thanks!
- Spudster, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3You copied this straight out of another article on Obama...
- Jareth86, on 05/13/2008, -0/+3"There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument."
Did you actually type this with a straight face? What do you actually think the goal of death penalty abolition is? It's not some kind of blind crusade to remove capitol punishment for the sake of removing it. - DSPoh, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I am a Veteran voting for Obama and I know I'm hijacking this comment a bit, but unfortunately I am fairly new on Digg and am having a hard time spreading the word about an important Veteran issue; the New GI Bill.
A vote is finally going to be made on this issue, but it will be extremely close, so Digg, the troops need your help.
Please Digg: http://tinyurl.com/5h4exx
The troops really need help! Please help spread the word.This is how you can really support the troops! That, and voting for Obama of course =).
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/12/2008, -62/+10What divides you? Answer for real.
- pedo, on 05/12/2008, -9/+199this whole article is a distraction. the real issue is flag pins! and madrassas! and that his name rhymes with osama! and his middle name is even worse! and he won't say the pledge! and he's an out of touch elitist! he bowled a 37! and he lived next door to tony rezko! and he's a member of the weather underground! his pastor said god damn america once! and don't forget he's a secret muslim! and i heard hamas likes him! ahhh!!! don't read that article! its a distraction!
- tcbishop12, on 05/12/2008, -41/+5I assume this is an attempt at humor by mis-statement?
- IpecacNeat, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1Nope, totally serious. TELL EVERYONE!
- NyteStarNyne, on 05/12/2008, -3/+36Personally, i'm deeply offended at him bowling a 37. He's not qualified to be president at all after this outrage.
- papipablo, on 05/12/2008, -0/+24For the record he had 47 in the 8th frame and was working on a spare. He also let two little kids bowl a frame for him. This truth must be spread as the bowling issue is not going to go away!
- fuhlavaflave, on 05/13/2008, -1/+2Shut the ***** up, Donny.
- papipablo, on 05/12/2008, -0/+24For the record he had 47 in the 8th frame and was working on a spare. He also let two little kids bowl a frame for him. This truth must be spread as the bowling issue is not going to go away!
- wild, on 05/12/2008, -2/+35He bowled a 37 in only FIVE frames. Even in the fluff arguments, people leave out the details.
(He would have averaged a 72 in a full game, which while not great I can't say I have never done.)- Dazer, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4I predict, judging by media response for this, the next president will have to pass a mandatory bowling test before becoming president.
- dagamer34, on 05/12/2008, -0/+18Another funny thing was that the media didn't bother reporting that kids bowled his first 2 frames until he HIMSELF pointed that out. That's a little shady to me.
- bizkit00, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4didn't he have a 7 year old throw one of those frames?
- coyote1284, on 05/12/2008, -1/+15Great, now I gotta get a new sarcasm meter, you just caused mine to overload.
- t0x2c, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2Great, now I gotta get a new overload meter, you just caused mine to slowly corrode.
- ace429k, on 05/12/2008, -3/+3Great, now i gotta get a new slowly corrode, you just caused mine to rust
- coyote1284, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2Great, now I gotta get a new rust meter, you just caused mine to sarcasm.
- ace429k, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2Great, now I gotta get a new sarcasm, you just caused mine to YER A DICK!
- ace429k, on 05/12/2008, -3/+3Great, now i gotta get a new slowly corrode, you just caused mine to rust
- t0x2c, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2Great, now I gotta get a new overload meter, you just caused mine to slowly corrode.
- Infidelcastr0, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Nicely stated,
- lhbaker, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2That reminds me of 8 Mile
- kolinkoolface2, on 05/12/2008, -4/+1i am going to be honest i think i saw the bowling thing once on a news page on the net...? Don't know why you guys keep acting like it hurt his image or something. And his pastor has said a lot more then god damn america.
- coup, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0I agree (and I'm an Obama supporter)
- DragonForce4, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2i lol`d at your name
- starkruzr, on 05/13/2008, -1/+3Silly Pedobear. Obama isn't any more pro-lowering the age of consent than any of the other candidates.
- synaesthesia, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1In response to his poor bowling, theres only one thing that needs to be said: WE GO PLAY HOOP
- Groblisk, on 05/13/2008, -2/+1WHAT CAN BE WORSE THEN HIS FIRST NAME RHYMING WITH "OSAMA"?! WHAT CAN POSSI-
DEAR LORD
- tcbishop12, on 05/12/2008, -41/+5I assume this is an attempt at humor by mis-statement?
- actorboy, on 05/12/2008, -5/+29FTA (and description): "Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there -- and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously."
Legislation that protects citizens being ignored because of Washington snobbery. Remember that the next time someone throws around accusations of elitism.- headzoo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5Also remember that when people say he doesn't have any experience. He's been in public office since 1997. Clinton on the other hand has only been in public office since 2000.
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -10/+1wrong comment...icanhasbury?
- sh4rkb1t3, on 05/12/2008, -11/+1RON PAUL '08
- thcobbs, on 05/12/2008, -7/+6Yeah, why don't you show me more than just one bill that he got passed to show his leadership.
So far, in the US Senate, he's gotten a total of 2 out of 690+ bills enacted. Also, in the last year, he's been largely absent from his ACTUAL JOB so that he can try to get himself elected president (Missed almost 95% of all votes this past quarter). And in time he's been in the Senate, he's missed more votes than Hillary, and he's been there 4 years fewer....
Great leadership.- davidrools, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4ok I know it's from the Kos, but it does mention some legislation Obama was able to get through the Republican senate in his first two years in the office.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/21/164117 ...
Also, regarding his recent missed votes, there hasn't been much in the way of controversial legislation that required his vote to sway things. It's also to be expected from a presidential candidate. Same trends are seen with McCain. The fact that the primary is being dragged on also contributes.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?tab=vot ...- thcobbs, on 05/12/2008, -4/+4So, as long as a bill isn't controversial, he doesn't need to do his job and cast a ballot? I'm sorry, but if I'm paying his salary, I expect him to do his job.
- westerner22, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2His job is to become the next President. I checked his voting record, and he missed sessions where his one vote would not make a slightest difference. He went to Washington in April just to cast a vote on Equal Pay for women, which McCain opposed.
- thcobbs, on 05/12/2008, -4/+4So, as long as a bill isn't controversial, he doesn't need to do his job and cast a ballot? I'm sorry, but if I'm paying his salary, I expect him to do his job.
- CryRightardCry, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1LOL
You rightards fail on every issue, but you attack Obama for not doing ENOUGH?
I guess that's the rightard plan this year. Blast Dems for not doing enough to stop the Republicans the righards supported.
Geez ass, do you hear yourself?
You shill for the Bush regime and then whine that Obama doesn't do enough?
After the years of failure after failure of the regime you cheer for?
And you do it with a straight face, that's amazing.
It speaks volumes about your character.
It's not saying anything nice, either.
- davidrools, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4ok I know it's from the Kos, but it does mention some legislation Obama was able to get through the Republican senate in his first two years in the office.
- headzoo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5Also remember that when people say he doesn't have any experience. He's been in public office since 1997. Clinton on the other hand has only been in public office since 2000.
- arbouler, on 05/12/2008, -8/+49i get really pissed when i read transcripts of voters who say obama is totally inexperienced. clearly they were just the lazy voters who don't give a damn about researching their candidates. candidate research is the voters' responsibility; clearly the media never wanted to explain it to the public because they like to distract voters with reports of petty politics. it's easier to get better ratings if you instill gossip stories than substance on the news reports.
when news outlet put britney spears headline above the war, you know americans like to be fed with sensational issues rather than the critical issues. when you stand in line to pay at grocery stores and more shoppers prefer to flip the pages of us weekly than newsweek or time, you know something is ***** up with this country. when you see tourists and crazy fans with their camcorders recording the scenes of celebrities shopping or dining in west hollywood, there really is something that just does not make any sense.- wild, on 05/12/2008, -4/+22People still think Obama is a Muslim. That tells you the sort of lackadaisical attitude that people bring to their politics.
(I don't know what angers me more. The fact that people vote without being informed, or that they wouldn't vote for Obama if he was a Muslim.)- BadseedJR, on 05/12/2008, -1/+7But Fox News told me he was. Who am I to question that?
- Andrwmorph, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2But his name sounds vaguely Muslim so he must be!
- oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3He lived close to Chicago too! He must be related to Capone himself!
- ftx437, on 05/12/2008, -7/+4I've looked at his voting record (doesn't look as impressive as everyone makes it out to be) I've heard him speak (plays to what people want to hear (like everyone on else))...i still will not vote for him..
- oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2don't know about you, but he's bringing everyone out of the woodwork to vote for him. thats impressive.
- wild, on 05/12/2008, -4/+22People still think Obama is a Muslim. That tells you the sort of lackadaisical attitude that people bring to their politics.
- COlson87, on 05/12/2008, -52/+32I hope Obama wins; then I can quit my job so I don't have to work for private health care benefits. I bust my ass and work minimum wage ($13,520 a year). I pay over $1,350 federal, $405 state, $1,034 social security & medicare/medicaid income taxes, and a sales tax (which in Chicago is 10.25%) bringing my actual income down from $10,731 to $9,631. That's over $3,889 (or nearly 600 hours, or about 14 weeks of work, at $6.50/hour) almost completely wasted. I can barely afford the $1,500 per year it costs for a personal Blue Cross Blue Shield fully-covered PPO plan! But if Obama can balance the $60+ Trillion in liabilities (most of which are from Social Security and Medicare & Medicaid), provide a National Health Plan for everyone, and lessen the financial burden I face he's got my vote.
Then maybe I can go to a publicly subsidized university where students hand out slices of pizza to motivate unregistered students to vote for Obama. I can take ethics, philosophy, psychology, and other classes to help me form a better understanding of the world, and become more cultured and civilized. Sophisticated, much like the Europeans and Canadians which have been so far ahead in all their innovative technologies, world-class economic systems, and socialist/welfare state. My degree will earn me a position at a big company, but I won't actually produce anything but help facilitate, supervise, plan, manage, analyze, market, consult or defend in court what might be done if the company had time, money, or incentive to do it.
Or maybe I can keep promoting change, hope, and nagging people to making a difference so I don't have to. Dugg. /rant- rebotfc, on 05/12/2008, -6/+27Dude, you are obviously articulate, so please don't be offended when i say you need a better paying job.
- jerrolds, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6That Arts degree he got really paying off huh?
- popfrogs, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3I'm guessing English degree myself. There's no way he didn't attend college with such a well-written post.
- jerrolds, on 05/12/2008, -0/+6That Arts degree he got really paying off huh?
- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -8/+24Canada's health care budget divided by the number of tax-payers = about $300 per year.
So, $300/year for public healthcare ( hidden by income taxes ), vs $1500/year for private ( out of pocket ).
stop spreading anti-public-healthcare FUD- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -13/+7Of course you assume that every American has 300 dollars. You assume we will only have to pay 300 like canada. You also assume that Americans aren't the fattest people on earth with more health problems then any country in the world? I mean seriously Iook around you people. McDonalds and cigarettes are life here. The cost for universal healthcare in America would be astronomical. I bet Canada doesnt have 20 million illegal aliens with fake social security cards either.
- djSyndrome, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8But every American *does* have $300. Bush just gave it to them himself.
- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -9/+2Hmm most will probably waste it at Mcdonalds.
- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -1/+7Every american doesn't have $1000 either, so they go uninsured, go to the hospital when they're desperately ill (rather than starting to get ill), which costs the system more than if america just had social healthcare in the first place
- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -9/+7The thing is this problem of the uninsured is hyped nonsense. Even by the numbers that democrats give only 40 million people. The US has 300 million people. So actually that isn't so bad. The reality here is in fact when they say free healthcare they mean free healthcare as in the 40 million without insurance don't have the money to pay for it. Which means that you and I pay for it. So yeah we lose. Of course even the democrats have stated that of the 40 million not all are just too poor. Some just dont bother getting insurance for whatever reason other then poverty. The fact is that 300 million - 40 million = people who actually pay. People that can't afford health insurance typically dont pay much of anything taxwise. We the rest of America pay either way. Trust me.
- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2yes "only" 40 million people are at risk of dying in the streets.
plus the people with high copays. plus the people who the insurance company rejects because of "pre-existing condition" nonsense that are technically insured, not that it helps them - LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2yes 40 million people are really dying in the streets. Not. Some of those 40 million are fit and some simply have no interest in getting insurance. This whole people dying in the streets thing is overkill. Those who are going to hospitals The US taxpayer is already absorbing the cost of these peoples medical ailments and local governments are already getting burned for doing so. And don't expect any spectacular savings if we are all on the same plan. Because Americans are still the fattest unhealthiest nation on the planet. The risk of an American needing to burdern the insurance system isn't just possible, it is assured. A heavily burdened free service run by a huge bureaucracy where doctors can only pray for better treatment then they get when collecting money from medicaid and medicare. ANd hopefully we dont end up like Britain where we have to cut other programs to afford a medical system that doesn't always manage to be perfectly predictable. I say let nature take its course and I will keep my money in my pocket rather then bow down to the tragedy of universal healthcare.
- oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4201812.stm
"Broken down per person in the US, the cost [of the war in Iraq] so far is $277 per person"
Dude, shut up man. I'd rather my money had gone to public healthcare for everyone, and save the money I actually pay, than giving it to the iraqis in the form of bullets. dumb ***** - LukasSmith, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1stfu about my money dude. You do whatever the ***** you want with your money. Hello earth to moron I pay taxes too and have no desire to pay more taxes for this reason.
- oscenester, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1retard. you already are paying it. to shoot bullets at people for oil. and the price of oil still goes up. get an education
- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2yes "only" 40 million people are at risk of dying in the streets.
- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -6/+5If we don't have universal health insurance we pay for the poor's medical service through taxes. These people contribute little or nothing. We foot most of the bill. If we have universal health insurance we pay for our own insurance and the people who can't afford insurance. These people contribute little or nothing. We foot most of the bill. Can't you see there is no difference whatsover? Anyone who can see a difference is brain dead. This is seriously a "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation." People need to see this issue is just a political point generator.
- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Not like those lawyers or civil engineers who contribute tons to society... those poor people that do menial tasks like build our houses and stuff should be left out in the cold... bunch of vagabonds
- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1You mean illegal immigrants?
- oscenester, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2So if thats the case, wtf is your argument against it? if more people had access to proper health care, they would be able to receive much more preventative services, therefore decreasing the likelihood of requiring universal health care to pay for serious illnesses...
Or we can keep letting them get sicker, till right when they feel their worst, they come into our public hospitals and get overpriced emergency care which they never end up paying for, which ends up coming out of our tax dollars anyway.
- BadseedJR, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2The pharmaceutical companies will never let public healthcare exist if it takes away from their profits. All that will happen is that they will quote the government some ridiculous prices for drugs and care, the government will bend to their will, and we will all end up footing the bill and be in no better shape than before. It happens every time in our system... One good thing happens, then it "causes" 20 bad things and prices go up. Look at ethanol... now there's a food crisis because of corn fields supplanting other grains. It's all a sham.
- mcquitty, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6Perhaps you need some facts. First, planted corn acreage is down 8% (first link on google: http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/17176271.html )
It is down because growers can make more money from soybeans right now.
But you are right, because you said so... not because of facts.- BadseedJR, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1This wasn't even the main focus of my comment, it was a scenario. No, I didn't study it, but I know that other crops are being passed over and the prices are skyrocketing. My point was that one thing changed (government regulations of biofuels) and it "caused" problems for other businesses (Agriculture, check the WSJ for their profit margin increases this year). But hey, you got to prove me wrong on something that wasn't even pertinent to the comment. Congratulations.
- mcquitty, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6Perhaps you need some facts. First, planted corn acreage is down 8% (first link on google: http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/17176271.html )
- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -13/+7Of course you assume that every American has 300 dollars. You assume we will only have to pay 300 like canada. You also assume that Americans aren't the fattest people on earth with more health problems then any country in the world? I mean seriously Iook around you people. McDonalds and cigarettes are life here. The cost for universal healthcare in America would be astronomical. I bet Canada doesnt have 20 million illegal aliens with fake social security cards either.
- COlson87, on 05/12/2008, -21/+12The whole point was: If you got rid of the income taxes and stopped expecting the government to wipe your ass you'd have plenty of money for health insurance and wages would rise. If I was to say, work somewhere that offered health care benefits (Starbucks) for $40/mo (or $480/yr) I could very easily afford health care. Why would wages rise? Because you pay a hidden tax in lower wages from the FICA (not to mention FUTA) taxes. They're split between your employer at 7.65% (you) / 7.65% (employer) or 15.3% total. If you think Joe CEO hires you at the same wage with and without those taxes you don't understand some of the basic concepts in economics. 1. Give me back all my taxes. 2. Drop these socialist taxes, and I'll be nearly twice as rich (at $17,783 versus $9,631 after taxes).
Then maybe if we could get a stable currency where commodity and health care prices wouldn't rise faster than wages... Where can I find a candidate that supports all that?! A candidate that understands the American Dream and wants to protect it, i.e., hard work pays off.
Also, ***** Europe and ***** Canada. This is America. I am an American.- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -4/+13Business people fight to get the government to listen to their interests, that's why businesses pay less taxes. You should fight for your own best interest rather than theirs.
Less taxes doesn't benefit you as much as higher taxes + social programs would, since the fraction of your wage required to keep your health benefits up is significantly higher than the fraction of wages a business person needs to pay his, yours, and your best 10 friends's health care up to par.
Think of it this way, if health insurance is $1000. You make $10,000-ish a year. that's 10% of your income. Now take half that ( 5% ) from someone who makes $100,000 per year. that can pay for 5 people's health insurance.
And the only way they were able to make that money is by the community and stability that the state they do business in provides, so they do, in fact, owe it to the community to give some back. Try doing legit business (not profiteering) in a war zone and say that you don't need a government to provide some sanity & order to effectively conduct it. A healthy workforce is a productive workforce, and business is happy to fire you when you get sick, so something higher than the business owner needs to keep that in check.- mcquitty, on 05/12/2008, -6/+3You are flawed. Businesses don't pay taxes. You do. Just because they are hidden doesn't mean you don't pay them. Income tax for the business... who pays it? The consumer.
- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2note that I don't mention businesses , rather I intentionally chose to use "business people"
- enki25, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Wrong. Businesses wouldn't necessarily pass tax savings onto consumers. The price for any product or commodity is based on many factors, one of them being competition. And without tariffs we don't have much of an ability to level the playing field for foreign competitors who may not be taxed at the same rate.
This is all a red herring, however, because it has nothing to do with the original point. Governments use taxation to provide infrastructure. The parties paying taxes should be those who benefit the most from infrastructure. That means big business.
- mcquitty, on 05/12/2008, -6/+3You are flawed. Businesses don't pay taxes. You do. Just because they are hidden doesn't mean you don't pay them. Income tax for the business... who pays it? The consumer.
- Narcism, on 05/12/2008, -0/+9If "This is America. I am an American.", then shut up and live with it like everyone else.
And yes, I would like fries with that.- BadseedJR, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2America is based on change. It's written into the documents that it is founded upon. He can do whatever he wants to try to change it, just like you can live with it how it is if you want.
- amoro99, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2I think what you meant was "***** Health".
- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -4/+13Business people fight to get the government to listen to their interests, that's why businesses pay less taxes. You should fight for your own best interest rather than theirs.
- The_Red_Monkey, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2What I don't understand is why everyone holds up Canada as the ideal when their population is shrinking and they are not going to keep all of these public programs going.
We will see some severe consequences to our mindless spending since the economy has stalled and not growing and all of our programs require it to grow.
No one in Congress should be reelected so that we can have a balanced budget and thoughtful spending.- BrainInAJar, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4immigration is picking up the slack. Rather than having rednecks with guns on the border, canada lets skilled people in by the boatload because ultimately new taxpayers are new taxpayers whether they're white or not
- DryMaltExtract, on 05/12/2008, -1/+11I agree, lets cut all taxes, ***** the government! We will build our own roads, supply our own water, school our own children, we are the people! We can do it all on our own!
You'll care about medicaid when you're an old slob with little to no income and failing health.- BadseedJR, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1The government just contracts out local businesses to build that ***** anyway. I don't think anyone was proposing anarchy here.
- OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1roads are built by real estate devs if they're not paid out of property taxes. The fed gives some money for interstate highways, but that wouldn't be missed too much. Water public facilities are paid for by municipal bonds which are repaid through collecting property taxes and people's measly monthly water bill. Schools are the same thing. all the important stuff we need from govt is paid for by our property tax anyway.
INCOME tax is what we need to get rid of - that's the part that pays for junk entitlement programs. that's the part ron paul wanted to get rid of when everybody thought he was crazy.- enki25, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1You're comment is hilarious but only because of how ***** clueless you are. The federal investment in interstate highways over the last 50 years MADE this country. It's so intrinsic to all of our lives that we can't imagine what life would be like without it. You looked at some report somewhere claiming that the super wealthy would have no problem turning them into toll roads and you think it means the infrastructure investment was pointless. Please, stop praying at the alter of Ron Paul and open your ***** eyes.
- SocialPoison, on 05/12/2008, -2/+9And YOU don't seem to have a basic understanding of corporate greed. Honestly you beat your own argument. You set up a straw man saying you're a minimum wage worker. Then you say your quality of life would be better if your income wasn't taxed to death. But the reality is you'd STILL make a crappy wage after all the "socialist" ideas are removed, you'd find yourself with no health care or assistance. You'd be one medical accident away from being completely wrecked.
Also if you are actually a minimum wage fry jockey, get off the internet, *****, you can't afford things beyond basic needs. - blinkatron, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6I'm not trying to be an arse or anything... but how do you afford internet? Or do you just steal it from work?
- jamesLankford, on 05/12/2008, -2/+12if you made $13,520 last year and paid over $1,350 federal tax, then you deserve a minimum wage job
you're obviously too stupid to figure out how to read a basic tax form and do basic math
seriously, you're an idiot
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040ez.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040ez.pdf - papipablo, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5Maybe you should quit wasting money on an internet connection and use it to get a degree, turkey.
- xz9925, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2dood.. its [rant] [/rant] get your format right =)
/can't use proper html tags.. bummer - lhbaker, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2$1500 a year for health care? I want to work where you work, but I wouldn't be a chump and work for minimum wage. The last full time job I had, my premium for my family was $804 a month. That was our only option, and represented more of my income than everything but my mortgage, and then the difference was less than $100. The difference is, I was paying $9,600 annually for something I never used.
- enki25, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2I'm all for using irony to make arguments, but the national sales tax is a stupid idea and it'll never pass. Fixing health care in this country will save everybody money, individuals and companies. Nobody's claiming it's a panacea, but if you're arguing that the Republican plan is better you're much dumber than you sound.
- dreamtiger, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2This is the "Freedom" you morons are defending? The freedom to work a ***** job for peanuts under a government that doesn't give a rat's ass about you?
- rebotfc, on 05/12/2008, -6/+27Dude, you are obviously articulate, so please don't be offended when i say you need a better paying job.
- paintpro, on 05/12/2008, -23/+2.
- suzywang3000, on 05/12/2008, -28/+5great submission, great man... this needs to get to the FRONT PAGE!!... DIGG UP!!!
- bamafan71, on 05/12/2008, -5/+3the sad part is that digg is full retarded obama lovers.... go ahead digg me down
- suzywang3000, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2i dugg you down for the irony.
- bamafan71, on 05/12/2008, -5/+3the sad part is that digg is full retarded obama lovers.... go ahead digg me down
- mooseontheloose, on 05/12/2008, -36/+11Get this to the front page! What a hero Obama is! Man, those people being tortured will really thank him while they're being tortured because a little red light is blinking in front of them. Those videos will be sealed and never see the light of day, but who cares?!?!
Next up on the Obama agenda: passing a law that requires manufacturers to put a "Pollution is bad" sticker on their factory doors. THATLL SHOW 'EM!- NameTry2468, on 05/12/2008, -4/+6Would've made a big difference if we had a president who had the balls to enact this policy at the national level, don't you think?
- Calann, on 05/12/2008, -9/+44I would like to live in the kind of world that Barack Obama envisions. A world where individuals who are in positions of authority are monitored to ensure that they do not abuse this authority.
What kind of world would you like to live in?- EricAnderton, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5I'll bite.
How about the one you just described? Some higher degree of governmental transparency, amplified by the non-mainstream media (i.e. blogs) would do a lot to help.
Liars always generate discrepancies and inconsistencies that can be fact-checked later; no alibi is water-tight. Either you play fair, or be found out. It's that simple.- starkruzr, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Read David Brin's "The Transparent Society" for a description of how this might work and why it is necessary.
- hayzeus, on 05/12/2008, -5/+11I would like to live in a world with free candy and rainbow unicorns. I would also like to be able to ignite the hair of my enemies with my thoughts.
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8i prefer rainbow candy and free unicorns... my worldview declares war on your totally incompatible worldview.
- hayzeus, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5Check your hair.
- starkruzr, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1You mean you can't?
Bummer.
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8i prefer rainbow candy and free unicorns... my worldview declares war on your totally incompatible worldview.
- BadseedJR, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5One made of beer and bacon exclusively. Constantly renewing itself of course.
- ngomong, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Can we add chocolate, too? Gotta have chocolate, man... Also celery, grape jelly, Captain Crunch with the little crunch berries. Pizzas. We need two big pizzas, man. Everything on 'em. With water, whole lot of water.
And... Funyuns... Yeah!
- ngomong, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Can we add chocolate, too? Gotta have chocolate, man... Also celery, grape jelly, Captain Crunch with the little crunch berries. Pizzas. We need two big pizzas, man. Everything on 'em. With water, whole lot of water.
- LibrarianEtarip, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Why is this getting dugg down?
- dagamer34, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6You don't think 50 years ago the world we live in today was also a pipe dream? Seriously, you doubt what it means to have a non-white person have a decent shot at the presidency.
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5But he voted to continuie the patriot act.
- Thuktun, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2"Awk, Polly wanna cracker!"
http://lots-o-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/barack ... - Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1That link did not work, how about you just go to us.gov and look at his voting record. I will agree McCain and Hillary also voted to continiue the patriot act. But I do not plan on voting for them either.
- Kingmichael, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5He voted for a revised, toned-down version of the Patriot Act to replace our current one. The other option was to ignore the opportunity to get us some of our civil liberties back and just vote against it.
- Lazydriver, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1EXACTLY!
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Oh he only wants to take away half of our freedoms not all of them. I am definatly going to vote for him now. /sarcasm. Vote Ron Paul if you believe in the constitution and America freedom.
- westerner22, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2America's freedom includes womens' RIGHT OF CHOICE. Here is where Ron Paul disappoints me, as I otherwise like him. I am a libertarian with a strong Obama tendency. VOTE OBAMA! No-one is pro-abortion, read chapter on Faith in Obama's "Audacity of Hope"
- Thuktun, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2"Awk, Polly wanna cracker!"
- kolinkoolface2, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3me too, i want everything for free. Everyone deserves a house, college education, a car, computer, an xbox, a guitar, a north face jacket, an ipod, etc.
- Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Except the evil rich people, they should pay for everyone else to have those things. *
*Sarcasm - starkruzr, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Transparency is necessary to secure liberty. All the other ***** you quoted isn't. Buried for being a complete ***** imbecile.
- Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Except the evil rich people, they should pay for everyone else to have those things. *
- letherial, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1Might give the people some power, in a democracy? unheard of..
- EricAnderton, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5I'll bite.
- jedisushi, on 05/12/2008, -5/+19I am all for Obama, but this article was on the front page yesterday...
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_Judge_Him_ ...- thwoom, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4thank you, i thought something was familiar.
- bartofdahammer, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2I was going to say the same thing, i thought I had read this before.
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3but this is monday. sunday news missed most people. it came up again because diggers wanted it frontpaged again. deal. the system is working as it should.
- UTKEngineer, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2By maintaining a constant stream of pro Obama crap, even repeating old crap when no new crap is available?
- UTKEngineer, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2By maintaining a constant stream of pro Obama crap, even repeating old crap when no new crap is available?
- Latimer, on 05/12/2008, -24/+11Sheep... You're all sheep! And Obama is the shepherd!
- coyote1284, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5He may be leading us to shearing, at least it's not slaughter
- Infidelcastr0, on 05/12/2008, -2/+3Since your such an expert, please, tell us who to vote for. Inquiring minds want to know.
- amightywind, on 05/12/2008, -45/+17It is not surprising Obama comes down on the side of criminals and deviants. Standard liberalism. It is not enough that a suspect have his lawyer present during questioning. Obama wants to let them grandstand on YouTube as well. This is a perfect example of how Obomber is unfit to be President.
- FutureGuy, on 05/12/2008, -3/+21And why shouldn't it be on youtube, transparency is the key to good government.
- SocialPoison, on 05/12/2008, -4/+22Nice troll.
- kreneskyp, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5too predictable and his main argument was countered by the article.
- blinkatron, on 05/12/2008, -3/+12wtf, so you think innocent people should be beaten into confessions? this is a great bill that will prevent policy brutality. i don't understand how these interrogations shouldn't be public under the constitution.
- EricAnderton, on 05/12/2008, -3/+5Wow, troll much?
- Infidelcastr0, on 05/12/2008, -4/+11Holy *****, Whenever I see or hear a statement like this I hope for the good of mankind, that it's just trolling, and nobody can be this stupid, then I poke my head out and look around me, and realize just how many people are. Go polish your jackboots and get off my tubes.
- amightywind, on 05/12/2008, -7/+3Oh no. I am not trolling. I see Obama as the second coming of Jimmy Carter. I do not wish to participate in this leftist's social experiment for the next 4 years.
- MixMastaKooz, on 05/12/2008, -2/+8Yea, and this Rightist experiment for the last 8 years went swimmingly!!
- amightywind, on 05/12/2008, -7/+3Oh no. I am not trolling. I see Obama as the second coming of Jimmy Carter. I do not wish to participate in this leftist's social experiment for the next 4 years.
- CrackyJSquirrel, on 05/12/2008, -3/+7Yeah, because there has never been anyone wrongfully accused and serving time for a crime they didn't commit. I mean, I have yet to hear about any case where a man spent 20+ years in prison for murder only to be later found innocent by DNA. And if that ever happens, I can guarantee that the police interrogators had nothing to do with it.
- orangefly, on 05/13/2008, -0/+4why are republicans so antiamerican lately....???....
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -5/+8Two things they forget to mention. I'm still voting for Obama but he did vote to continue the patriot act. And he also voted to turn Chicago downtown into a Gun Free zone and only cops and retired cops are allowed to own guns with in the city limit. But hey everyone cannot be perfect.
- westerner22, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2He voted for a better acceptabl version than the alternative on the floor. See above.
- drkmccrthy, on 05/12/2008, -9/+0cool.
- johnchaney3, on 05/12/2008, -32/+9Obama is a harvard elitest bitter arrogant smug Senator from a city who just witnessed a shooting malay in which 36 people were shot and nine died....Did you hear that on the chanel seven news????
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6First off it was 23 people. I do not know what that has to do with Obama, he was not the mayor of chicago he was in the illinios senate. Theya re two different things.
- SocialPoison, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Channel seven is public access. So no.
- kreneskyp, on 05/12/2008, -2/+2getting into harvard on a trust fun makes you elitist. getting into harvard by working hard makes you.. a hard worker? funny how that works.
- CrackyJSquirrel, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5And please explain the correlation between the two? Or are you just trying to regurgitate ***** and explore your ignorance?
- drkmccrthy, on 05/12/2008, -8/+1cool.
- clippypog, on 05/12/2008, -8/+11But could Obama have saved the Speed Racer movie? if he wanted to?
- BXRWXR, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8No one is that big a hero.
- ilikesboobs, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Actually Hiro from Heroes is a pretty big hero. He could save speed racer I bet you.
- NOFXY, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1not even chuck norris
- BXRWXR, on 05/12/2008, -0/+8No one is that big a hero.
- exomni, on 05/12/2008, -11/+5This was already posted yesterday and it's currently at the #1 spot on Digg World & Business.
You fail.- NameTry2468, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1Hah! How about that. You got me, I hadn't noticed it. At least 350+ people are on the failboat with me.
- junkwheel, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1This is in the top 10, no fail here.
- The_Red_Monkey, on 05/12/2008, -9/+2So Obama was king or dictator and passed the law himself and their was no one compelling him? Both sides of the fence are crooks and on the take so who paid for this vote is my only question.
- bizkit00, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2he did the right thing and went through the process of courting right and left to support a moral bill. he himself paid for it in sweat.
- winnestow, on 05/12/2008, -19/+6he also passed laws allowing kindergardners to be taught sex education.
he also has visited 57 states - not a gaff.... he was thinking of the 57 islamic states.
caution supporters: he is not who you think he is- hayzeus, on 05/12/2008, -3/+13He also collects stray dogs, beheads them, and has sex with the neckholes. I know this because I heard it on the internet and EMAIL FORWARDS NEVER LIE!
- Infidelcastr0, on 05/12/2008, -2/+6Thanks for giving me even more reasons to vote for him.
- jayscot, on 05/12/2008, -20/+7Yes we get it. Obama passed a law.
Obama for Socialist Reform ...er social reform! - nbx909, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Sounds good, if I'm arrested I'd want it to be video taped. I got 3 things I'd ask for lawyer, a video of the interigation, and the bathroom every 20 minutes.
- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -17/+11Obama can travel through time and space, part the oceans, walk on water, turn one hamburger into many and fed the whole WORLD! halleluhiah. How does this propaganda keep being dugg up?
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1because previously, the only person who had been able to do this was Ron Paul. now there's another. I bet there are more out there we just haven't heard about yet. what if they discover their powers and use them for evil. I must find them, and help them...
- bizkit00, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5passing a morally just bill != miracles and propoganda, you've got it confused with his competitors' claims.
- LukasSmith, on 05/12/2008, -5/+1He didn't single handidly pass this bill. The only thing Obama can pass single handidly is gas.
- WTFppl, on 05/12/2008, -4/+2I maybe reading between the lines a little to hard here, but seems that Obama might be admitting to be powerless to stop the DoD, CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS and Army Intelligence from gather information with methods they choose to use. I'm sure most agencies aging field operatives will tell you that inhumane interrogation tactics are nothing new. Most tactics used are older that most Diggers.
But I said it before...This is going to be one hell of a presidential race between Obama and Paul! - TinternAbbot, on 05/12/2008, -3/+7No one doubts he has legislative and legal experience. People are concerned that he lacks federal experience.
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -0/+10yup. not enough professional lying and BS to fill the resume. He definitely pales in comparison to his democratic competitor.
- Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -4/+0His speeches more than fulfill the BS requirements and his books contain several lies. Add some ties to terrorists, an out there spiritual leader, dealings with a corrupt real estate developer, past drug use, and allegations of gay sex to pay for those drugs, and I think you've got a guy who will fit in nicely in Washington.
- kanvas, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2Do you mean executive experience?
You're right - he lacks that, and so do Hillary and McCain. I'm not sure any of them is "prepared" to be President; that job is arguably harder than any on the planet. We *can* however look at indicators of success. Look at how Hillary imploded when her campaign began to go poorly (lies and spin). Look at how McCain backpedaled from his maverick ways (claiming Hamas endorses Obama...really?). That's behavior under pressure. How did Obama handle pressure - potentially campaign-ending pressure in Rev. Wright? Like...a president (a real one, not Bush).
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -0/+10yup. not enough professional lying and BS to fill the resume. He definitely pales in comparison to his democratic competitor.
- IphtashuFitz, on 05/12/2008, -12/+4Buried. Duplicate from all of 24 hours ago... http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_Judge_Him_ ...
- NJank, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Buried, for complaining about the digg system working as it should...
- SqueakyWheel, on 05/12/2008, -23/+6Cult leaders like Obama only have yes men, and are very dangerous leaders
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Can anyone say GWB and the evangelsitic Church and you are right they are dangerous leaders. Look at the situation America is in now.
- CSINY, on 05/12/2008, -5/+0So why would you want another GWB? Didn't we have enough? He is just like GWB, tells you want you want to hear than does what he wants. We want someone with experience this time around.
- MixMastaKooz, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Actually, one of the best traits of Obama is that he seeks out opposing viewpoints when those closest to him cannot provide it to him.
http://digg.com/politics/The_Obama_I_know_3
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Can anyone say GWB and the evangelsitic Church and you are right they are dangerous leaders. Look at the situation America is in now.
- aserer511, on 05/12/2008, -8/+1so, is this something neccessary? what is the hope, that is discourages overly aggressive interrogation measures, or merely ex post facto punishes them? we need standards in interrogation practices and a clear 'this is too much' (which I believe waterboarding is well clear of ie. LEGAL), but we don't want to create an environment where the interrogators are worried about stepping on someone's toe every second of the procedure
- nastronomical, on 05/12/2008, -23/+5He is "inexperienced" you fools, no matter how you try to dress him up he still is Barrack Hussein Obama...deal with it sheeple.
- papipablo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+7Get a vocabulary, tool.
- nastronomical, on 05/12/2008, -9/+2ooooo i see a libtard is angry.
- Fordi, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8ooooo, I see wingnut has no argument.
- nastronomical, on 05/12/2008, -9/+2ooooo i see a libtard is angry.
- dirtdog4, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0go castrate yourself with a rusty tuna can you ignorant waste of lard.
- papipablo, on 05/12/2008, -2/+7Get a vocabulary, tool.
- CSINY, on 05/12/2008, -14/+3Well, now I can sleep better knowing that he passed a bill that does nothing for the economy or helps keep us safe from terrorists, as a matter of fact the bill may even protect criminals. Wow, so impressive!
SueakyWheel you are right. If he becomes our President, we are going to have a lot of disappointed people. He is an empty suit that surrounded himself with great writers and marketers.- asskicker32, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5Really? Because he stood up to people to try to get the beatings and coerced confessions to stop? He felt he did the right thing and I agree. IF you think this is the wrong thing, at least respect the man for standing up to people for what he believes is the right thing...
- asskicker32, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I swear this was on Huffington post recently and it was originally posted on my 30th birthday!!!
- AtlanticVortex, on 05/12/2008, -10/+7It kills me to see how many people see this and go think this guy is the messiah. Wow, he passes a bill on video taping interrogations and now he is ready to run a country. I have nothing wrong with Democrats or Republicans, but I do not like politics on the far right or the far left. Obama is very liberal and has shown to faulter on issues such as the Patriot Act (not a good thing for a man touted as bringing about change). Oh well, I guess I should just deal with the fact that this site is going to be heavily pro Obama.
- saturnx8, on 05/12/2008, -5/+2"Oh well, I guess I should just deal with the fact that this site is going to be heavily pro Obama."
agreed, i might have to leave it since everyone is brainwashed on here - Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -3/+2He also consistently votes for laws that that go against the second amendment.
- Enochrewt, on 05/12/2008, -1/+0I have no problem with giving him a chance, it's just that his ideas of change are just a little too socialist. I would accept some of his socialist ideals if he was really going to be effective in clearing out the corruption and made a government that worked, but as to that, I have my doubts.
- bhod, on 05/12/2008, -1/+0why can't you guys just wake up and see the light. obama is change from the usual, you just have to hope and believe. most diggers see it, why can't you? gobama!
- motorhead9999, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Going to be heavily pro-obama?
Get with the program, I've been knee deep in virulent Obamamania on digg here the last month or so at least. Even if I WAS remotely for Obama, I'd be sick of all the ass kissing (which I think is very quickly going to 3rd base in relationship terms) going around. I mean...every 3rd article on either the front page or best of list is some random pro-obama article from some podunk blog.
- saturnx8, on 05/12/2008, -5/+2"Oh well, I guess I should just deal with the fact that this site is going to be heavily pro Obama."
- jerrycurley, on 05/12/2008, -5/+0Yeah...that damn snobbery! this should have been breaking news all across the country! They should have interrupted prime time to announce that he passed this law. Even if it was the Sopranos finale, they should have broken in with this important news!
damn snobs.- Tenhundfeld, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4What? Your entire post is just stupid. Nobody said Obama helping pass this law, from years ago, should be "breaking news all across the country."
All people are saying is that Obama has experience accomplishing goals in a bi-partisan fashion, experience that his rivals claim he lacks. That's the only reason it's news: it is some small amount of evidence to refute some claims from opponents.
I'm sorry if you'd rather have something else to entertain you. This is an important political year. You need to either adjust to that reality or maybe just stop reading stories about politicians, if it really bothers you that much.- jerrycurley, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0whining that it was ignored is (with some exaggeration) saying that it should have considered big breaking news.
- popfrogs, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1It's ok, I seriously doubt he's old enough to vote.
- Tenhundfeld, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4What? Your entire post is just stupid. Nobody said Obama helping pass this law, from years ago, should be "breaking news all across the country."
- saturnx8, on 05/12/2008, -9/+3He is passing laws stripping the 2nd amendment of value, power and purpose. obama passes laws banning guns, obamam puts innocent people in jail. obama gets funding from major anti gun organizations and has headed several major anti gun organizations. Obama wants to reevaluate the bill of rights to see what they really "mean". obama is a commie, socialist, marxist douche bag using race as a campaign ethic...
go ahead and drink the obama Koolaid, I won't- publiclurker, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0Commie, Marxist? That's not even good enough to be wrong.
- displaced1, on 05/12/2008, -8/+3Obamas name was put on the bill by more senior politicians to help him win an election here in Illinois and to help him get more of the black vote since they did not vote for him in a previous election that he lost. Just a FYI, most if not all the people freed from prison here in Chicago have been black.
- Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -2/+0This goes real well with his "present" vote on a bill to allow juveniles to be tried as adults, which was unpopular with some of the same black voters he could really use votes from.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20ob ...
- Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -2/+0This goes real well with his "present" vote on a bill to allow juveniles to be tried as adults, which was unpopular with some of the same black voters he could really use votes from.
- iamJack, on 05/12/2008, -14/+1Obamas Buddies:
Frank Marshal Davis-well-known Anti-American, Anti-Christian Radical, Poet, wrote " Christ Is A Dixie *****"; Member of Red Army, Extoles the Virtues of Communist Party; Member of Communist Party USA- Obama refers to "Frank" in his book, and lists him as his "Father Figure".;
BO filed reports with FEC revealing that one of his campaign finance bundlers is Jodie Evans- Whom is a Radical, Anti-American Activist who helped orchestrate a scheme that provided $600,000.00 in Aid to Islamic Terrorists in Iraq; she undermined U.S. Troops in Iraq, was working to help advance the Anti-American Marxist Regimes of Fidel Castro in Cuba, and Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
This is just a Few Known Buddies of obama, Man should he get into (God Forbid) the White House, he'll be hosting all of the Terrorists our Military is Fighting & Dieing over!!
Oh Yeah, He is Really (NOT) the man for our country!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5There were black people in the middle east during the time of christ. It is possible he could be black. But what is impossible is that he was the son of a God and had super powers. But at least the black thing is plausable. Anyways the rest of your rambling is just absurd.
- iamJack, on 05/12/2008, -3/+0Your TYPE of people are in for a Big Fall, Keep on living in your dream world w/your pimp looking out for you.
Bleeding Heart Liberals LACK The Guts to Research Your candidate, and See Truth for what this freak really is about! - Fordi, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I really wish the intelligent would learn better than to engage in debate with neocon dips. They use the tactic of strategic ignorance and dismissal on us, why can't we use it on them?
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Well I dunno if I am even going to vote for obama. I did in the primaries but Ron Paul keeps looking better and better. Hillary and Obama are really close when it comes to policy.
- popfrogs, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1That's not necessarily a bad thing. While I believe that RP has some good ideas, some of them are so far-fetched that he'll meet colossal resistance trying to implement them. Resistance = failure.
- dirtdog4, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0it's like arguing with cletus the slackjaw
- iamJack, on 05/12/2008, -3/+0Your TYPE of people are in for a Big Fall, Keep on living in your dream world w/your pimp looking out for you.
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5There were black people in the middle east during the time of christ. It is possible he could be black. But what is impossible is that he was the son of a God and had super powers. But at least the black thing is plausable. Anyways the rest of your rambling is just absurd.
- JibrilAdam, on 05/12/2008, -3/+10Obama passes the acid test. He has integrity, intelligence and mature to lead this nation. He is the only candidate that I see with energy and passion to lead America. You can rely on him in making those tough call decisions.
- JoeVet, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2"He has integrity, intelligence and mature to lead this nation" Unfortunately that is usually a fatal flaw in anyone seeking the office of the president. Americans like dumb, down to earth hicks who think (don't think) the way they do. Why do you think Hilary started doing beer and shots on the campaign trail? Obama had better start mispronouncing his words and play some flag football so his fellow 'Mericans can feel more comfy about him.
- Barackalypse, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2No you can't, just look at all the times he voted "present" in Illinois instead of taking a position that would be politically unpopular.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20ob ...- runCMD, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1He was grooming himself for something with more power. mind control : )
- miamilaw, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4
When discussing the various issues that arise out of the 6th Amendment, confessions, interrogations, etc., law students often come to ask law professors a very simple, yet illuminating, question: "Why don't police simply videotape interrogations/confessions?" This would solve the vast majority of questions regarding the validity of confessions and likely unclog the courts' dockets when defendants try to fight against the admission of their confession as evidence.
This is transparency, pure and simple. Those arguing that this type of law is "pro-criminal" is laughable and goes against the most fundamental of principles embodied in our Constitution - freedom from a tyrannical executive (i.e., King of England). Instead, one should ask why many police departments are adamantly against it. I don't think it's difficult to understand what they fear. - SqueakyWheel, on 05/12/2008, -9/+5Senator Obama is not African American according to U.S. Law. Senator Obama is an Arab-American according to U.S. Law.
- ngomong, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Funny, I just call him an American.
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Please prove that to me. And if he is, does it really matter? I mean he was born on american soil which makes him an american citizen. And any citizen that was born on american soil can run for presidency you know after reaching a certain age.
- Fordi, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Cite a source if you're going to make such a claim.
No, I'm dead serious. We need to make it a crime to spread ***** like this without evidence. - JoeVet, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2So that makes McCain a Panamanian immigrant.
- fuhlavaflave, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1What the *****, are you a Nazi? Is his nose structure off or something? Idiot.
- knumbknuts, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Any chance Obama got two laws passed in his ten years in politics... and we can get the *other* one on the front page tomorrow?
- bhod, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0fail. gobama!
- Cattywampus, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Actually I *do* know this, because this exact same article (which is from January 4th) was submitted yesterday under a different title.
Buried for being a duplicate submission... and one that's four months old, to boot. - SqueakyWheel, on 05/12/2008, -10/+9The Senator has sponsored and passed 2 Bills in the US Senate - one for the Congo and one that makes lobbyists stand when they eat. Impressive work for 4 years on the job.
- knumbknuts, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3For some reason, that reminds me of the old joke:
"Why don't Baptists have sex standing up?"
"They're afraid it might lead to dancing." - lhbaker, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3Accusations, but no links. Big surprise.
- knumbknuts, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3For some reason, that reminds me of the old joke:
- TheMayor, on 05/12/2008, -9/+2Osama taught me how to breathe, he sent my mother a get-well card when she had her spleen removed.
Osama 08--Oh ya!!!- JoeVet, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Is that the best the right wing extremists have is equating Obama with Osama? How sad.
- popfrogs, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1You gotta feel sorry for them, their only viable candidate is currently drawing social security and calls people under 30 "youngsters". The good thing, though, is that McCain lets anyone sit on his lap for photo shoots.
- JoeVet, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Is that the best the right wing extremists have is equating Obama with Osama? How sad.
- bravo369, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7it's amazing to me that videotaping questioning and interrogations isn't a requirement aleady. how can law enforcement be so eager to present a signed confession into evidence yet be so against the process used to obtain that confession. This could also help them too in some cases. I'm sure there's plenty of people accusing police of coercing a confession in the hopes of having it thrown out during the trial. A videotape would fix that.
- Unearthly, on 05/12/2008, -5/+4I would read the article, but the first two paragraphs contained enough grammatical errors that I am forced to close the site. Someone who is trying to change my beliefs on Obama, or anyone for that matter, should at least learn how to maintain the same tense throughout the article. Why not just digg an article that says "Obama r gud four Amreika"
Fail. 0/10- Haecceity, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2I'm fairly literate and found no grammatical errors in the first two paragraphs, although I did notice that your own grasp of English ("I am forced to close the site") is idiosyncratic at best.
- Unearthly, on 05/13/2008, -1/+0"idiosyncratic" impressive. So how long ago was that the Webster Dictionary word of the day? I imagine you have had that little nugget in your pocket waiting for quite a while. Since it more commonly is defined as being peculiar, please elaborate on how the sentence you quoted is "idiosyncratic". How is being upset at grammatical fumbles and closing the document peculiar?
- Haecceity, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Are you commonly surprised when another person has a more extensive vocabulary than you have? Words like "idiosyncratic" are a normal part of my everyday usage. It's an unfortunate side effect of a lifetime of reading.
The grammar of the sentence is peculiar for a number of reasons, including the fact that it switches tenses half-way through: "the sentence contained ... I am forced to close." Interestingly this is the same thing that you accuse the author of doing, although I didn't note any time he did that in mid-sentence.
- Haecceity, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Are you commonly surprised when another person has a more extensive vocabulary than you have? Words like "idiosyncratic" are a normal part of my everyday usage. It's an unfortunate side effect of a lifetime of reading.
- Unearthly, on 05/13/2008, -1/+0"idiosyncratic" impressive. So how long ago was that the Webster Dictionary word of the day? I imagine you have had that little nugget in your pocket waiting for quite a while. Since it more commonly is defined as being peculiar, please elaborate on how the sentence you quoted is "idiosyncratic". How is being upset at grammatical fumbles and closing the document peculiar?
- westerner22, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2You sound like a pompous ass!
- nessus359, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1Hmm someone who can read, write, and is articulate is a pompous ass?.. Let's see Obama can write, read and is articulate, so by your logic he is a pompous ass? The world needs more people that are literate, articulate and well read.
- a6n28f, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I think you should start by editing your own submissions. There is no proper usage for 2 marks of ellipsis, your second fragment is not a question and there is a hyphen in "well-read."
- nessus359, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0You are correct. But then again, I don't claim to be any of these things.
- a6n28f, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1I think you should start by editing your own submissions. There is no proper usage for 2 marks of ellipsis, your second fragment is not a question and there is a hyphen in "well-read."
- nessus359, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1Hmm someone who can read, write, and is articulate is a pompous ass?.. Let's see Obama can write, read and is articulate, so by your logic he is a pompous ass? The world needs more people that are literate, articulate and well read.
- Haecceity, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2I'm fairly literate and found no grammatical errors in the first two paragraphs, although I did notice that your own grasp of English ("I am forced to close the site") is idiosyncratic at best.
- iamJack, on 05/12/2008, -11/+5See Patriotpost.com,
Stopthe ACLU.org,
WorldNetDaily.com,
ObamaExposed.com,
ObamaTruth.org- DreKor, on 05/12/2008, -3/+11also see, *****.com
- michael43, on 05/12/2008, -4/+1see: *****.com
- bhod, on 05/12/2008, -2/+0lies, lies, all lies. i will not look at those sites because i know the truth about obama already. he's the best and nothing you say will stop me from voting for him. you'll see, when he's president, everything will change. gobama!
- Evolutuon, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2stoptheACLU.org? Against a site about protecting rights?
- DreKor, on 05/12/2008, -3/+11also see, *****.com
- ykinc, on 05/12/2008, -6/+5My fellow employees and I had a scaring theory about Hillary's insistence on continuing to run for president:
We suggest, that the real US government rulers are going to assassinate Obama soon.
This was our first suggestion as we discussed about Obama. He could be THE person, who can really change the world to the positiv. And this is something that many bad humans don't want.
I hope we err and were paranoid at this moment.. We are all with Obama.- AtlanticVortex, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2You are an idiot plain and simple...
- ykinc, on 05/23/2008, -0/+0No you. Plus a looser too.
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Agreed ykinc is an idiot. And secondly he is running for president not for king. He cannot just make change happen. He still has to deal with the senate, congress, lobbyist, foreign powers, people in his own cabinet etc. That is a good thing though. The president is not supposed to have that much power, that is the reason that we have 3 branches of government.
- JoeVet, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2It won't be a government assasin. It will be a right wing redneck who blames immigrants for his lack of employment.
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -1/+5Im not a big fan of racism. But seriously the whole redneck thing is starting to annoy me. Really not everyone who lives in the country is redneck. I mean it does not bother me a lot when people use it. But I see it used more often to blame all the problems on rednecks. Rednecks wont vote for obama etc. Maybe some people just are conservative and do not like Obama. But I am just rambeling now.
- popfrogs, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Look at the Nascar numbers and tell me that the majority of the US isn't composed of rednecks. Yeah...
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Look at the amount of Hip Hop video numbers and tell me that the majority of the US isn't composed of N-Words Yeah... What I just said was definatly racism. I will admit I made a racist statement above. But so did you. That is all I am saying. And I made my racist statment as an example I did not really mean it unlike your Nascar analogy.
- skyisking, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0Hey buddy wouldn't Obama be the best person to be a sort of manchurian candidate? He is yound, likely to win and very likable! I don't think corporations or governments would use Hillary, a person who everyone hates, as a placement?
- motorhead9999, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0Who do you work for? Rense.com?
Jesus...you guys aren't just paranoid, you've been drinking way too much kool aid too...
- AtlanticVortex, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2You are an idiot plain and simple...
- lead2thehead, on 05/12/2008, -0/+5I'm surprised the "inexperienced" argument still flies. Before she took her senate seat, the only political experience she had was being married to the president.
- Kenzan, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6All of this stuff and more is available to the public at the library of congress' website.
It's a fairly sad state of affairs when most Americans won't spare an hour or two to see the track records of the candidates in blinding, unbiased details for free and only with a few clicks of a mouse.
The choice is mind-bogglingly clear based on the evidence.
Face it America, you don't deserve Obama.- RamsesII, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4"Face it America, you don't deserve Obama."
The fact that he's winning by every mathematical measure suggests to me that we do.
- RamsesII, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4"Face it America, you don't deserve Obama."
- AtlanticVortex, on 05/12/2008, -5/+6Thank god for Obama, with this legislation passed I think he is now ready to change politics. Never mind the fact he voted for the Patriot act, or the fact that he has done little in Congress. Yep, a true and natural born freedom fighter...
- RamsesII, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6"Never mind the fact he voted for the Patriot act"
Wrong. That's Clinton spin (she, by the way, DID vote for it when it was first introduced. Obama wasn't even in the senate then).
Here's a run down of Obama's actual voting record on the Patriot Act (a renewal of which he joined a filibuster to prevent). http://lots-o-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/barack ...- AtlanticVortex, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Wow, a user blog... Very legit source.
- AtlanticVortex, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Wow, a user blog... Very legit source.
- bhod, on 05/12/2008, -2/+0silly altanticvortex, you don't know *****. he only voted to reauthorize the patriot act after he had made it easier to swallow by removing bad stuff from it. he wasn't even in the senate when it was first passed. gobama!
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2He still voted to continuie the patriot act. If you do not have a problem with that. Then you really do not care about the 4th and 2nd amendment. But o well most americans do not.
- Hetman, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I didnt mean second amendment I meant first. But you get what I am saying. And obama does vote regularly against the second amendment also. And it is messed up because he is a lawyer that should be easy.
- RamsesII, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6"Never mind the fact he voted for the Patriot act"
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