- Semirhage527, on 06/02/2008, -1/+53Thank you Newsweek!!! It's about damn time the MSM started calling Hillary on this bold-faced LIE.
- Buckeye17, on 06/03/2008, -4/+8I LIKE TURTLES!
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -2/+2Put your helmet back on. Your mommy told you that you can't walk around without your helmet on. You might get hurt, remember?
- scotticus, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1Helmet = fark.com
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -2/+2Put your helmet back on. Your mommy told you that you can't walk around without your helmet on. You might get hurt, remember?
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -1/+8What is so sad, is that after turning this primary into an ugly low down gutter level fight, Hillary has polarized her own party.
Obama will go into the general with a divided base of support. Hillary would go in with an even more divided base of support.
She has nearly made this a lose-lose proposition.
She is the epitome of a spoiler.
Let's all hope McCain continues with his gaffes. - SydBarrett420, on 06/03/2008, -1/+4Don't believe the ***** media spin that Hilary fans won't vote for Obama or will vote for McCain. No democrat is gonna vote for McCain.
- cyberprunes, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1Thank you. Once Obama and McCain square off , Democrats are going to remember that they are Democrats and do the right thing for their party. McCain is going to have real trouble reconciling his current views that put him in line with Neo-con ideology with the "Maverick" views that he held a few short years ago. There are glaring contradictions. It seems that he's selling out under Republican pressure. I mean why would a "maverick" seek out the endorsement of the ultra religious right. (ie Hagee and Parsley).
- SydBarrett420, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1Because he knows they turn out to vote, it's just pandering. The same thing Democrats do with illegal immigration.
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4Many will vote for Obama.
Many will simply not vote at all.
I cannot tell you how many times I have heard I will not vote for a black man. Or I will not vote for a muslim.
Ignorance is bliss, till it bites you in the ass.
- Buckeye17, on 06/03/2008, -4/+8I LIKE TURTLES!
- diggeradoo, on 06/02/2008, -1/+44Hillary ... stretching the truth ... telling fabrications ... come on! Can't be!
- gochuupsuh, on 06/03/2008, -0/+7We don't need another president who's willing to sacrifice the truth to get their own agenda across..
- Kashabear, on 06/02/2008, -1/+35Yes, thank you Newsweek! Maybe more of the msm will start telling the truth about this blatant lie, and the fact that we do not select the candidate based on popular vote!!
I get a laugh how the candidate who proclaims to be championing the "count all the votes" message has no problem with NOT counting all the votes in order to try to claim the title. That is the definition of hypocrisy.- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4She doesn't care how it is done, as long as she can steal this nomination away from Obama.
Even including the florida votes, where at least both candidates were even on the ballot, but didn't campaign, Obama leads her by 134,746 votes.
She's hoping people are stupid, or so blindly faithful to her that they don't care about honesty, and claims that because of the votes in Michigan, where Obama wasn't even on the ballot. Except, even then, he still leads her by 44,605 votes.
In other words, that is more votes than for any primary candidate in history ... for Obama. - cyberprunes, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1perception is 9/10ths of reality. Clinton's are masters of shaping reality. They almost pulled it off.
If the Obama campaign didn't run such a superb campaign it would be Clinton on top.
Barack Obama, a black man. a 1st term US Senator, a virtually unknown before the primary, a long shot by every margin has defeated the mighty Clintons. That is impressive to say the least.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4She doesn't care how it is done, as long as she can steal this nomination away from Obama.
- jbdobd, on 06/02/2008, -1/+30she misspoke!
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Yeah, what she meant to say was that we should all just wait and hope for Obama's assassination.
She knows it will happen. Really. Just wait. Please, won't someone do it? She's already asked obliquely. Does she have to come right out and say it???
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Yeah, what she meant to say was that we should all just wait and hope for Obama's assassination.
- tcbishop12, on 06/02/2008, -1/+33Smoke and mirrors, half-truths, lies and deception. If we get this demagoguery (as we have, continually) from the Clinton campaign, what could we possibly expect from another Clinton presidency?
No thank you, Hillary. No thank you very much.- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -5/+1What could we get from a Clinton presidency?
Oh *****. We shouldn't even think about the horrors.
But if you have the stomach for it, here it is (by the way, McCain is on board with these guys, too. Obama may just well be their "sleeper" candidate, because the CFR and Trilateral Commission have full control over which candidates are allowed to even run, so be cautious of Obama, too...)
http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/ ...
"The establishment of a New International Economic Order entails fundamental changes in political, social, cultural and other aspects of society, changes which would bring about a New International Order." - RIO: Reshaping the International Order, 1976 (p5)
"Society must also deliberately aim at creating employment for all those seeking it and at ensuring that the distribution over different types of jobs achieves a balance between the satisfaction derived from the job and the satisfaction of the needs of society. The latter necessitates that certain unpleasant (heavy, dirty, dangerous) activities be performed. If these activities can be learnt relatively easily, they could be performed by all citizens. Their efforts could be organized in the form of 'land' or 'neighbourhood armies' for work in rural areas, in the field of environmental care..." - 69
"Public power should be used to ensure that education is geared to meet the needs of individuals and the needs of society, that is, all individuals. The supply of qualified types of labour should be so planned as to equal, to the greatest extent possible, the demand for them by society (i.e. by the 'organizers of production')." - 69
"Growth in equality would make it less difficult for people to accept the principle of self-restraint in the satisfaction of material needs, the ideological cornerstone of the future 'steady state'. It would equally create the necessary social conditions for self-control of family size and the consequent reduction in population pressure; birth-control campaigns are likely to remain largely ineffective (unless enforced by coercion, which is clearly unacceptable) up to the time that peasants are freed from material insecurity, that infant mortality rates go down, and that the use of unpaid child labour is no longer necessary to make ends meet." - 162
"Public opinion is no phenomenon sui generic. It is in part the result of government policies and by definition politicians cannot hide behind their own creation. If some sectors of public opinion in the industrialized countries are immersed in the rhetoric and slogans associated with misunderstanding, then much of this may be inherited from their political leaders. And if these leaders are in part responsible for a situation which impedes acceptance of the need for change, then they themselves must be held responsible for changing this situation." - 110
Scary stuff. These are all part of a plan to implement a world government.
Hillary is right on board, no doubt. I'm pretty sure McCain is. I'm not sure whether Obama is, but there's a 50/50 chance that he is. - Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Knowing how Bill balanced the budget with billions in intergovernmental loans from the social security administration (you know the SSA everyone is financially worried about), I don't need to take much time to look at her campaigns fiscal policy in the primary to understand where she would go with a national budget.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1Where would she go with a national budget?
That is easy to see. She already put $20 million of her own family's dollars on the table in the hopes of buying this presidency.
I think she will enrich herself and all of her cronies the same way the bush group has done.
Maybe it won't be war profiteering and record oil prices, but she will do the same damage to our economy and our federal budget in whatever way best benefits her wealthy backers.
Anyone who has done any investigating into her supporters' financial dealings would be able to tell us what sectors of our economy will be turned upside down in order to benefit them. Maybe it's health care? Doubt it. Maybe it's selling technology to China? Don't know. Maybe it is liability litigation? Maybe.
Someone may know what the financial interests she serves really are.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1Where would she go with a national budget?
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -5/+1What could we get from a Clinton presidency?
- jforjools, on 06/02/2008, -1/+15After the very last primaries, the only way she can 'lead' is she counts Puerto Rico *and* Michigan (with zero votes to Obama.)...So, even if you give her Puerto Rico, she still needs to hold on to the belief that *zero* Michigan voters wanted Obama. (And still have to blow off the caucus voters.)
...so how again is it that this respects 'each vote cast'??
I hope this is all over tomorrow night. there is sooo much repair work to do in the party. And Clinton truly has bloodied up her opponent. (I'll take my words back when obama wins in Nov...and then I'll gladly say that their fight made him a stronger candidate. Til then, I still believe that she made 'fair game' out of a lot of stuff that the GOP would not have been able to touch--not without her touching it first.)- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+5She doesn't care whether zero Michigan voters wanted Obama or not.
All she cares about is that she tricked him into taking his name off the ballot, and she got the votes that he might have received.
In her mind, it isn't cheating unless you get caught. To her, it is like switching the chess pieces when your opponent goes to the bathroom.
That sucker never should have gone to the bathroom. Serves him right!
(I've known sociopaths like that throughout my life. They truly do not have the same sense of right and wrong that we normal people have.)
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+5She doesn't care whether zero Michigan voters wanted Obama or not.
- Arishia, on 06/02/2008, -1/+11Ugh, the spin....Out Hillary, and out gracefully, if that is even possible. What really cracks me up is that Clinton had the majority of members on the rules and bylaws committee that set the schedule for the primary process AND make the decision later about MI and FL, and all the Clinton machine her husband built, and the name recognition, and her husband's popularity, and more money (initially); all this to her advantage, and STILL she lost. Now she cries foul, whipping up her supporters to make a decision in November that is against their own interests, threatening the stability of entire party. Was all this really necessary? And to what purpose?
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1And this isn't even a "vast right wing conspiracy".
This is just the "vast rational people wing conspiracy".
Or the "Vast American people wing conspiracy".
Or the "Vast intellectually honest people wing conspiracy".
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1And this isn't even a "vast right wing conspiracy".
- bluevillage, on 06/02/2008, -1/+24How could she sell anything as commander-in-chief? She starts out a worse liar than even George W Bush was.
- SheilaNoya, on 06/02/2008, -1/+19Hillary supporters needed a disclaimer on those signs they were all carrying...
COUNT ALL THE VOTES
(unless they're in caucus states that Obama won, or any votes for Obama in Michigan) - LloydBentsen, on 06/02/2008, -1/+24Was the cigar reference intentional?
- AwakeningAZ, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Nope. And it was subsequently changed (from footnote)
- LloydBentsen, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Yeah, I made the comment before reading the article, which is normally not condoned here. I then got to the bottom, and well, yeah, saw that it was changed from how it appears on Digg with the original title.
- AwakeningAZ, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Nope. And it was subsequently changed (from footnote)
- happyseamonster, on 06/03/2008, -2/+9Monica has that cigar.
- ChileanGoD, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3http://images.usefulzero.com/d/302
- aigulf, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1I was wary...but it was well worth the click.
- ChileanGoD, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3http://images.usefulzero.com/d/302
- scairborn, on 06/03/2008, -1/+5About time someone called her on her *****.
- jstohler, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1Someone besides Digg?
- jentrax, on 06/03/2008, -7/+2
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -1/+3It's about the lesser of the evils.
When you hear McCain and Hillary talk about experience, that is political speak for I know how to fleece you 100 times worse then Obama.- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1You don't think that the extremely wealthy people who run this country do not understand this dynamic? The dynamic of "lesser of all evils"?
People like Kucinich or Paul or Gravel were made to look crazy right from the start. But if you understood how your personal interests differed from the elite and wealthy, you would probably identify with one of those three "crazy" candidates, who happened to be practically tenured political leaders who simply and only represented their citizens.
We keep letting ourselves be misguided by the corporate owned media into a box where we squabble over the selected political gladiators. We easily allow ourselves to dismiss the real change agents. We easily allow ourselves to be led into the same debates (abortion or pro life, family values or gay marriage, strong foreign policy or rational diplomacy, first amendment rights or protecting the children, etc)
Are we all suckers? We are allowing our nation to continue to be run by power and wealth, and not by its citizens.
We have the vote, if we care to use it to our benefit. We have the power, they just keep distracting and confusing and dividing us from using it.- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1I hate to say it, but we need to elect agents of change in Congress and the Senate first. Imagine we had elected Ron Paul. What would he accomplish? Both the Democrats AND Republicans would be against him, except maybe 1/5 of the Republicans. He would achieve nothing as special interest motivated Congressmen and Senators laughed at his proposals.
Then comes the other fact, it takes alot of money to run for office.
We need Election Law Reforms.
We need to take the money out of the equation.
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1I hate to say it, but we need to elect agents of change in Congress and the Senate first. Imagine we had elected Ron Paul. What would he accomplish? Both the Democrats AND Republicans would be against him, except maybe 1/5 of the Republicans. He would achieve nothing as special interest motivated Congressmen and Senators laughed at his proposals.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1You don't think that the extremely wealthy people who run this country do not understand this dynamic? The dynamic of "lesser of all evils"?
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -1/+3It's about the lesser of the evils.
- whatthefu, on 06/03/2008, -6/+1Why'd you change the title to "no cigar"?
- KLBP, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2The original title on the Newsweek article was "no cigar" but it was changed to "not quite" due to an unintended reference to Bill's oval office misdeeds involving a cigar. There is a note at the bottom of the article about the title change.
- thelastwarrior, on 06/03/2008, -3/+2*Bill Clinton's voice* America I never had relations with that woman....
- gannondork, on 06/03/2008, -0/+9Finally a politician that doesn't let facts and the truth get in their way.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1Finally?
I think that is what we've had for the past 8 years. We certainly don't want another one of those for the next four or eight years. This country cannot withstand that destructiveness.
I could name a bunch of historical figures who did the same thing. It never worked out well for the citizens.
I'm sure the citizens of Dresden finally figured out, during the fire bombing raids, that maybe this wasn't such a great political system.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1Finally?
- rameshpreddy, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4She sounds like my 3 year old when he does not get his matchbox cars after the haricut!! wah wah wah...
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/466315/
That is Hillary as a grade schooler. "Young Hillary Clinton"
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/466315/
- soccerman90, on 06/03/2008, -0/+16basically,
- Clinton is counting Puerto Rico, but they dont vote in the general election
- She is counting Michigan, even though obama's name wasnt on the ballet
- Caucases dont report a popular vote, and obama won alot of those
altogether this means obama is destroying clinton in the popular vote, super delegates, delegates and states won. He is leading the national gallup pole on who could most likely beat mccain. but you can still lie to yourself if you want coughhillarycough- superkendall, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1Note she is also campaigning for Puerto Rico to be added to the general vote - which many Puerto Rico citizens would like to see themselves.
Also, which part of "Clinton holds a slight lead in Gallup" did you not comprehend when you posted:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107626/Gallup-Daily-Bot ...- soccerman90, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1that pole you show is extremely close. But in a pole between obama and clinton, obama is winning
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107485/Gallup-Daily-Oba ... - soccerman90, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1im watching MSNBC right now and the new story at the bottom says
New Poll: Barack Obama 47%, Jogn McCain 44%
so obama is beating both Hillary and McCain
- soccerman90, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1that pole you show is extremely close. But in a pole between obama and clinton, obama is winning
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -4/+1Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general election?????
I'm going to admit that I am too lazy to google that fact. Please provide some information that proves that Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general election.
I know that D.C. doesn't have a voting senator or congressman, but they at least have a single electoral college vote. And I know for a fact that they vote in the general election. I can only assume that a protectorate also votes, and they have some fraction or whole vote in the electoral college.- KLBP, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general election because it is only a territory. To get a vote it needs to become a state. This is also true with other territories like the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Simona, etc. This is where Obama's 57 state misstatement came from, between the 50 states, the territories and Washington D.C. there are something like 57 primaries and caucuses.
There are basically three options for Puerto Rico they can: remain a territory and not have the right to vote in the general election; become a state and get to vote in general elections; or become an independent country. Each option has pluses and minuses that the citizens of Puerto Rico must weigh. Personally I'd like them to either decide to become a state or strike out on their own. Them remaining a territory seems to leave them in a state of limbo.
Hillary's talk about allowing Puerto Rico to vote in the general election is really just political pandering that she wouldn't follow through on.
- KLBP, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general election because it is only a territory. To get a vote it needs to become a state. This is also true with other territories like the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Simona, etc. This is where Obama's 57 state misstatement came from, between the 50 states, the territories and Washington D.C. there are something like 57 primaries and caucuses.
- SydBarrett420, on 06/03/2008, -1/+3They don't vote in the general election in any capacity.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -3/+1Really?
- superkendall, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1Note she is also campaigning for Puerto Rico to be added to the general vote - which many Puerto Rico citizens would like to see themselves.
- SemiSarcastic, on 06/03/2008, -11/+1WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN
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WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN,,, - D3koy, on 06/03/2008, -0/+5Look, if you only count the votes you want Clinton is cleaning up....
- VinnieDaMac, on 06/03/2008, -0/+10Some Clinton supporter started harassing me after a comment I posted:
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3338/clintonsup ...- sulthernao, on 06/03/2008, -0/+5It's probably a McCain troll....cuz it certainly doesn't sound like any 28 year old female.
- lanzemurdok, on 06/03/2008, -1/+2i suggest you submit that
- superkendall, on 06/03/2008, -5/+3Frankly it looked like she was kicking your ass there, in terms of points made.
And I like Hillary far less than Obama. - LordSnooze, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3here is the link in the image above:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24798368#2 ... - Darklordpazuzu, on 06/03/2008, -2/+1"polocies"
"this pussies"
Yeah, she/he/it seems really educated.
Seems to me you either got trolled and fell for it, or this person needs to be knocked off their high horse. And I love it how they mention age, gender AND that they're in college, along with their significant other. Simply amazing. If you ask me; troll.
- TehrooniAgain, on 06/03/2008, -13/+0John McCain will put the national interest ahead of partisanship, he will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. If John McCain is elected President, the era of the permanent campaign will end. The era of problem solving will begin.
****Special message to Digg's Admin: You can delete my account, you can block my IP, but you CANNOT silence the voice of truth and reason. Our country's LIBERTY is at stake. We will NOT ALLOW liberals and Muslim radicals to infiltrate our country's executive branch. Make no mistake: John McCain will win in 2008 no matter how much you try to censor the voice of FREEDOM. Go ahead and delete my account again, and I shall carpet message you to death you fascist morons.- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4I'm still a republican, though on the far right Libertarian fringe you guys are trying to push into the Democratic or Independent party.
Did anyone ever tell you to keep your mouth shut, because once it is open EVERYONE will know how stupid you are?
Really, go look up Obama's real life. He isn't a Muslim. A pissed off African American sure, but not a Muslim. And while everyone screams about him and Michelle hating America, well guess what. Just because we all like hearing the nominees make those "America is great" speeches, doesn't mean it is true. They are all on crack if they actually believe them. We have problems, the sooner we wake up and realize that fact the sooner we can fix them, and I would rather have someone pissed off in there dealing with them rather then a politician blowing smoke up my ass while he spends the time screwing up by the numbers.
I'm voting for Obama, though I hate most of his give the money away fiscal and foreign policies, they aren't much worse considering the Republican parties inability to use money wisely. I mean come one, bribing 200 some warlords to achieve the Surge for the election? Weak. Anyone with a brain knows why they gave Petraeus CentCom, he gave Bush an election year lull, despite the fact it was a short term solution. At least Obama has a record of reform in Illinois and the transparency act in the senate. And he realizes, we don't have the balls to stay in the Middle East and deal with their problems. We aren't the World War 2 generation, we are their spoiled grandchildren.
I respect McCain's record, I even understand that he was just playing the game in DC like everyone else.
BUT, McCain and Hillary are the epitome of what is wrong with Washington, they are true POLITICIANS, in every nasty way that word can be considered.
Turn your anger at the Republicans, start screaming at them to recognize that they need to return to their roots, because where I am sitting they are just another flavor of Democrat. I was willing to go along with them while they preached their message and give them a chance. THEY FAILED. The Republican Party is severely flawed, and if the Democrats weren't such a joke, excluding Obama and a few select others, I would switch parties. If the Libertarians make up a true 3rd party I WILL SWITCH.
Thankfully I can vote for Obama, and Republican Senators and Congressmen. God Bless America allowing me to temper our national leaders with a little bit of the other side.
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4I'm still a republican, though on the far right Libertarian fringe you guys are trying to push into the Democratic or Independent party.
- More4, on 06/03/2008, -1/+3goodby hildog!
- Weejay, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3Who wants a liar for president?
- duggdowncatisad, on 06/03/2008, -1/+0If you're old enough to remember a non liar in the white house, you're old enough to buy a beer in the states without a fake id
- lozzobear, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3I see what you did there subby, what with the Clinton and the cigar and the funny.
/Approves.
//Surprised we haven't seen it more! - tedivm, on 06/03/2008, -3/+0Lets ask President Gore how much the popular vote counts for . . . oh wait.
- scotticus, on 06/03/2008, -1/+5Several weeks ago I corrected a digger who called her a ***** for some reason or another. My argument at the time was that we, as a nation, needed to step above name calling and elevate our political dialog in a fashion that would move this country, in a bipartisan fashion, into the future. Sex, gender, or political affiliation should have little to do with the decisions we make. We stand on the precipice of peak oil (if it hasn't been reached already), the possibility of endless war, and unstable nations acquiring nuclear weaponry. Now is the time to elevate the discussion, and I felt at the time, that the political dialog should not be diminished by name calling.
To whomever I chastized: I deeply apologize. This bitch is a ***** *****. I humbly kneel before you in Hilary Clinton's *****. I would proudly elect a female president, but in the words of Chris Rock, I state: just not this one. - jeffinfremont, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1This will make Senator Obama's victory in November that much more satisfying, seeing as his primary battle was uphill against an opponent who failed to follow the rules of engagement, and made appeals to the judges every chance she had. Half of me believes that the general election will actually be easier for him to win, because the GOP looks old, tired, and very, very afraid.
- alexgroomy, on 06/03/2008, -5/+0World's most popular business news!!!!!
http://www.sigmainfotech.com.au/current-economic-c ... - yellowsnowcone, on 06/03/2008, -2/+4basically, Obama should be winning by a far wider margin, but he isn't.
How is he stronger relative to Clinton when the margin is so narrow that you have tons of ink being spilled on who has the popular vote?
He should be kicking her ass but isn't.- joot2112, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1You have it backwards - Clinton was the shoo-in. She was the recognizable one, the one with big-pocket funding, the one everyone called a year ago. Obama is a 1st term senator, a black man, a man with a funny name. That he has made it as far as he has versus speaks volumes for his strategy. I look forward to someone of his caliber leading our country.
- powerfullogic, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1What a dumb bitch.
- toddhenkel, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Watched part of the Democratic Rules meeting over the weekend (yeah bad weekend). Interesting that it is not mentioned often how the party that cried foul so much about the Electoral College in recent elections has just as convoluted process internally. Not that they will, but superdelegates could actually override a popular vote? Scary. And not democratic by the true definition any more than the Electoral College. Both need to be overhauled. Where's the outcry these people count more than you and I?
- username484767, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1*****
- rushjaycarr, on 06/03/2008, -2/+0GASP! A Clinton! Lying! NEVER!
- kjhfuifh, on 06/03/2008, -3/+0hi guys would you like to enjoy more fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UQRY-T6h84 - raybury, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Don't respond to dishonesty with dishonesty! Newsweek is making a stretch to count votes that were never cast for Obama. Those are exactly the arguments the Clintons are trying to elicit with their ad.
- KLBP, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1The best and easiest way to fix the electoral college would be to end the practice of "winner takes all" and have all states follow the Maine and Nebraska method and use a tiered system where a single elector is chosen within each Congressional district and two electors are chosen by statewide popular vote. This would help bring the results of the electoral college more in line with the popular vote and prevent a repeat of 2000 where Gore won the popular vote but Bush won the Presidency.
In regards to the way primaries are run they serve a totally different function than does the general election. The primary nomination process is to help a party choose who they want to back for President. While it is confusing, the Democrats primary process is designed to help test candidates under different campaign conditions and to force them to really hone their campaigning skills. It is designed to result in long drawn out primary campaigns so that American's get to know the candidates better and so that candidates have to spend lots more time in each of the states and territories so that they learn more about each state's issues. Long drawn out primaries helps increase: voter registration; party membership; and voter turn out for the primaries. This should all translate into higher voter turn out in November.
The only serious failing with the Democratic primary process this year was with FL and MI violating party rules and moving up their primaries. Had MI and FL played by the rules the campaign would have still run on through the end, but MI and FL would have had fair primaries as well without all of the drama. - tuurd, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1I'd like to add a /facepalm ascii but I'm too tired to search for one.
The intent stands. - zacharytelschow, on 06/03/2008, -3/+1The Obamabots may not like it, but Hillary is the stronger candidate for president. Barack is just an empty suit with a shallow and unsubstantiated message of "Change, faith, and hope."
- intelno001, on 06/03/2008, -0/+0So, you're saying that "hope" is shallow? No wonder you're a Hillary supporter.
- zacharytelschow, on 06/03/2008, -1/+1You know what they say about assuming... I'm not a Hillary supporter; if the election were today I'd vote for McCain but am more of an independent. Also, there's hope and then there's doing something about hope, having a concrete plan to put into motion to improve the situation. Barack lacks this.
- intelno001, on 06/03/2008, -0/+0So, you're saying that "hope" is shallow? No wonder you're a Hillary supporter.
- costermonger50, on 06/03/2008, -0/+0Unlike the Lewinski scandal, which did involve cigars.
- gwayo, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1I heart Andrew Romano. He's been pointing this out from the moment the Popular Vote Claim became a Hillary mantra. I only wish this was a memo sent out to all those still loudly and doggedly proclaiming that HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE!! LIKE, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!! LIKE, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN [underline caps] DISENFRANCHISED [unlike those caucusgoers who are just friggin activists who have been manipulated by them Obama people and thus don't really count]!! GRRR!!! We Are Angry! Evil Dems! We Will Now Vote For McCain Because We Hate Obama Who Is Like The Worst Disenfranchisermisogynist E-ver!


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