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NYT: Hagee is as Bad as Wright, McCain Overdue to Denounce

nytimes.com — prominent African-Americans are regularly called upon to explain or repudiate what other black Americans have to say, while white public figures are rarely, if ever, handed that burden.McCain has continued to embrace a prominent white supporter, Pastor John Hagee, whose bigotry matches that of Mr. Wright. McCain has not tried hard enough to stop...

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  • alwor, on 05/01/2008, -18/+47Discriminating media, much?
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -14/+16Look how Hagee hopes the God damns America! Literally! How can such an anti-American, pro-Israel Zionist Cult Leader be allowed to walk free?

      http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/164550 ...

      CUFIs should be put on the terrorist watch list. They would murder to help bring about their "End of Days"

      Do you want them to?

      Do you, Jimmy?
    • Planets, on 05/01/2008, -9/+4Much much?
    • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -15/+10McCain already took care of this. It was an endorsement....at least McCain didn't go suck his dick for twenty years like Obama and Wright.

      John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -10/+8well if you think what Obama did with Wright wasn't sufficient, then what McCain did with Hagee isn't even a beginning.

        Whoops! Another shill team talking point vanishes into thin air!
      • publiclurker, on 05/01/2008, -8/+3In other words, McCain and Hagee are white and Obama and Wright are black. You just think you found a politically correct way of not saying the truth.
      • FairDinkumMate, on 05/01/2008, -6/+7So it's OK for McCain to have a solely POLITICAL relationship with Hagee but for Obama to have a relationship with Wright for 20 years based on spirituality is wrong even though he has denounced Wright's political views? I know which one scares me more!
      • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0"I did not have religious relations with that fat crazy man, Pastor Hagee..."
    • metric7, on 05/01/2008, -9/+5Hagee is a whackjob but not a mean spirited bigot like Rev Wright
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -6/+9Wright is not a "mean spirited bigot" he is a decorated Marine who loves America and leads a large Christian church. Hagee is a traitorous insane cult leader who values Israel more than America and wants to nuke Iran.
  • MrErr, on 05/01/2008, -21/+62Yes we should expose Haggee. He is has crazy ideas and they are not Christian.
    • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -32/+11Like what? Please use specific quotes and how they differ from the Bible.
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -22/+9Oh man Jimmy, I wasn't sure, but I see now you are a Christian Zionist CUFI.

        Are you part of a CAMERA-like effort where you are organized with others? Yes or No.

        Do you know if such efforts for CUFIs and/or Christian Zionists exist? Yes or No.

        Silence is tantamount to a tacit admission.
        • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2Maybe I just don't want to answer you because you're a leftwing wacko and are not interested in legitimate discussion. I have debated others who are interested in a logical discussion of the issues.

          But, you? Nah. Besides, look at your tirade and blather above. Heck, I wasn't even talking to YOU!

          I honestly don't know what you are talking about above using words like CUFI and CAMERA. But, it appears that you have some serious problems. Seek help, please.
      • FairDinkumMate, on 05/01/2008, -3/+7You are right to a certain extent Spaza - 'generally' Hagee's crazy opinions do not differ from the bible. That doesn't make the sane. He simply pretends to be able to not only interpret the bible but to interpret "God's will". Now I am not a strongly Christian person, but for ANYONE to claim not only to support a God but to know the SPECIFIC intention of said God at any particular time is quite freaky for me.
        Examples:
        September 18, 2006-National Public Radio's Fresh Air: Hagee said Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans for "a level of sin that was offensive to God." He referred to a "homosexual parade" held on the date the hurricane struck and this was proof "of the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."
        This is PROOF of nothing other than his bigotry!
        Hagee attributed the persecution of Jews throughout history, implicitly including the Holocaust, to disobedience, thereby attracting accusations of antisemitism:
        "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people!"
        I don't know about you, but claiming the HOLOCAUST had anything to do with ANY God is I believe extremely offensive to ALL religions!
        From Hagee's 1987 work Should Christians Support Israel?: his quote regarding the Catholic Church: "A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate." - I must have missed this bit in the bible! Please advise of the relevant passage Spaza!
        In his book Jerusalem Countdown Hagee claimed that Adolf Hitler's antisemitism derived especially from his Catholic background, and that the Catholic Church under Pope Pius XII encouraged Nazism instead of denouncing it. - Again, please provide a relevant biblical passage Spaza.
        On the September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, Hagee discussed Islam, stating, "those who live by the Qur'an have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews... it teaches that very clearly." - Spaza, please provide a biblical quote declaring a hate of Islam or even a Qur'anic quote declaring a hate of Christianity.

        Basically Spaza, your point is moot. Pretending to interpret God's will in the image of the bible is probably more offensive than simply trying to apply it's principles to those that don't believe or interpret it in the same way as you. The guy is a MORON & for you to even try to defend him exhibits your inability to separate support for your cause(McCain, the Neo-cons in general or whatever else you think you're supporting) from extremists. Bottom line, if you were a Muslim you would be Al-Qaeda!

        • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -2/+1"Now I am not a strongly Christian person, but for ANYONE to claim not only to support a God but to know the SPECIFIC intention of said God at any particular time is quite freaky for me."

          It shouldn't freak you out if you first consider that God is real and actually cares for humanity. Then, why wouldn't God slowly reveal His existences and His will to humanity?

          Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans, and homosexuality? If the Bible is to be believed, then why would God NOT use a hurricane to shake people loose from their evil ways? If the Bible is accurate, then God does NOT approve of homosexual actions (not inclinations, but actions).

          And the Bible says that God will only put up with crap for so long...then He takes strong action.

          Anyway, the whole Hurricane Katrina disaster was designed to change people's minds and ways, not simply kill them. God could have done that in one day quite easily.

          There is nothing in the Bible that directly points to Katrina being sent from God. This is true. But, there is a heck of a lot of secondary evidence and coincidences. Maybe God revealed to some Christians, like myself, through prayer or dreams that Katrina really was sent by Him.

          Jews and the Holocaust? I don't know.

          Catholic church? Well, all I know is that it was the Catholic church, not Protestants, that caused the Inquisitions and Crusades. That's a lot of hate, yes?

          Actually, Hagee is accurate in his assessment of Islam.

          http://jyte.com/cl/%E2%80%9Ckill-the-jews-and-the- ...

          There are tons of other analyses of the Koran and its statements to wage war on unbelievers. Just Google for it.

          Look, I'm not supporting Hagee or anyone. I don't sit here with a list of Biblical quotes ready to defend anyone and everyone. Please don't act like ALL evangelical Christians agree on everything. We don't.

          But, I just don't like people critiquing any Christian while not having a clue about the Bible, theology, Christian beliefs, or much else for that matter.
          • mxmj, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2I think you just outed yourself as en evangelical didn't you? That makes a LOT of sense.
            "Please don't act like ALL evangelical Christians agree on everything. WE DON"T."
          • JimmySpaza, on 05/02/2008, -2/+1@ mxmj

            You fail for not noticing that I was never trying to hide my faith. It was obvious to anyone who read my posts...except you I suppose. Why did you single yourself out like that?
          • mxmj, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1I fail because I've haven't read every post you've ever written? I didn't know you were and was pointing out something that could be a bias in your argument.
          • JimmySpaza, on 05/03/2008, -1/+1@ mxmj

            Everyone is biased when it comes to religion and politics. Am I biased because I am an evangelical Christian? Hmmm...no, I am actually biased because of my underlying beliefs and conclusions which caused me to become an evangelical Christian. There's a difference.

            Anyway, the message is more important than the messenger and should be evaluated independent of who did the talking...in my biased opinion. :-)
    • eclipse007, on 05/01/2008, -14/+26And here we have our dearest racist fascist friend JimmySpaza defending how Israel should nuke Iran and kill 70 million innocent people so that Russia and China attack israel and US comes to Israel's help and... oh, European Union are also the bag guys and according to Haggee, head of European Union is actually the Antichrist in this fairy tale of his!

      Anyway, all this ***** should happen so that Jesus comes back, from where and how I dunno! And he'll also give the promised land back to god's chosen people.
      • corfe83, on 05/01/2008, -15/+8"And here we have our dearest racist fascist friend JimmySpaza defending how Israel should nuke Iran and kill 70 million innocent people..."

        Eclipse, you seem to be assuming JimmySpaza is Christian and/or supports Christianity. From what I can see, he didn't defend those ideas, he just says they aren't necessarily at odds with what the bible teaches.
        • Zarokima, on 05/01/2008, -3/+7Hi, you're obviously new here. You've just had your first encounter with one of our most famous "trolls," JimmySpaza, though I would venture to say that's inaccurate since trolls tend to post stuff purely to incite inflammatory responses and Jimmy-boy here has shown himself to truly believe the bile he spews forth.
          • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -2/+1I'm not the one calling other Digg users racist and using bad language.
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -14/+8Completey true. Look how he curses America! He is an anti-American anti-Christian traitor and fanatic End-of-the-World cult leader. All CUFIs should be on the terrorist watch list.

      http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/164550 ...
    • Shiftgood, on 05/01/2008, -12/+16Seriously? who gives a *****? nobody on the LEFT gives a flying ***** about Hagee or Wright.... because.....
      THEYRE NOT ***** RETARDED.
      • withears, on 05/01/2008, -4/+6You win.
      • SoulDrift404, on 05/01/2008, -5/+9*****.
        I'm a liberal native of New Orleans. Hagee offends me on two levels--his comments about Katrina hitting my home because of a gay pride parade (pssst....God, if that was your objective, you drowned the 9th ward instead of Bourbon Street. Ooops!!)--AND because of his comments about Catholicism, my religion of youth.
        So yes, some of us DO care.
        • sodade, on 05/01/2008, -2/+2Yes, he is a douchebag - that's not the point. Keep it out of this election.
      • robthom, on 05/01/2008, -4/+2^^ That would be nice if it were completely true.
        But more accurately I would say a good portion of them have good heads on there shoulders and seem more capable of critical thinking from a moral POV than their counterparts on the right.
      • Laughsatyou, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2apparently you havent been reading the threads about Wright.
      • metric7, on 05/01/2008, -1/+1Sort much glass?
    • ICSU, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1The good old 'no true Scotsman' copout.
    • JlmAWP, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2Actually, we shouldn't expose him. A tit-for-tat strategy is just stooping to typical politics in Washington. If you're a real Obama supporter, you know that getting revenge is not what is going to solve problems. It's true, the MSM is being pretty unfair to Obama, but we can't let that deter us from what is really important.
  • Kangalanatolian, on 05/01/2008, -14/+17They should but will they? Now that there is a precedent with Obama, they will have to.
    • DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -7/+12You're forgetting something: being Republican means never having to apologize.
    • chaosium, on 05/01/2008, -5/+7"They should but will they? Now that there is a precedent with Obama, they will have to."

      Nasty comments about Catholics and Gays is part of what it means to be a Republican WASP, why would the media ever discriminate against someone for being a Republican?!
  • dinot, on 05/01/2008, -23/+32....b..b...b...but Wright...
    • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -13/+25Hahaha, the very reason this is on digg is because b..b..but Hagee. The two relationships (technically one relationship) are not even remotely comparable.
      • caferrell, on 05/01/2008, -17/+12You are right. They are different (but they are comparable)

        #1.- One black Presidential candidate is supported by a black preacher that goes off on a tear saying stupid stuff that attacks Israel
        #2.- One white Presidential candidate is supported by a white preacher that goes off on a tear saying stupid stuff that supports Israel

        They are not the same, but my question is this: Is number 2 OK because they are white, or because they support Israel?
        • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/01/2008, -14/+22#1 One Presidential candidate goes to a church for 20 years with a doctrine of racial superiority that is commit ed to advancing racial values, gives the preacher almost $100,000, makes him part of his campaign, and tells the whole world (including in his book) about how great the preacher is and how they are BFFs.

          #2 One Presidential candidate seeks the endorsement of a crazy preacher because he know it will help him get more votes, but doesn't give the guy any money, or change his positions to get the endorsement.

          One is bad, one is despicable.
          • p0s3r, on 05/01/2008, -4/+6Redbull, will you be my BFF?
          • goomba323, on 05/01/2008, -8/+7I can't wait for Obama to win so you guys can complain for 4 years about how the Democrats are destroying America....besides, it IS your turn after we had to endure 8 years the Republican ***** that is called Bush. Either way, Obama > Bush.
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -15/+6REV HAGEE HATES AMERICA and is a fanatic cult leader

          http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/164550 ...
          • hittnrun, on 05/01/2008, -5/+6Thgis is soooooooooooooo typical of the rat population. One of their heros gets caught with his pants down and the diggbots try to create a simliar situation but it just never works because McCain doesn't have a 20 year relationship with Hagee. Nor did he marry him, nor did he baptize his kids.

            I would say "nice try", but it is a fail. Thanks for playing....NEXT!
      • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -9/+18Clever way to frame it. But it's not about the crazy pastor supporting the candidate. It's about the candidate supporting the crazy pastor. I'm not going to be a broken record, you know the difference in the relationships and most likely choose to ignore it.
        • hittnrun, on 05/01/2008, -5/+7Well, no, they don't know the difference because Bush Lied and soldiers died, 9/11 was an inside job and all the other nonsense these idiots cook up in their pot smoked minds.

          Good post though.

          • chaosium, on 05/01/2008, -5/+2"Well, no, they don't know the difference because Bush Lied and soldiers died, 9/11 was an inside job and all the other nonsense these idiots cook up in their pot smoked minds."

            Well, Iraq is a complete and utter failure, but there are just as many democrat truthers are there are republican (ron paul ron paul ron paul) truthers.
  • Happy_Phantom, on 05/01/2008, -20/+42Can't we just focus on the issues? All this religious ***** is irrelevant.
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -19/+12CUFIs are insane religious fanatic cult members who value Israel over the US because they literally think they are bringing about the End Times.

      They are one of many of these "End of the World" cults whose members drink coolaid or commit mass murder.
      • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -16/+10Good thing it has NOTHING to do with McCain.
        • artemus, on 05/01/2008, -13/+10And yet he has Hagee as an advisor. Imagine that!
          • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/01/2008, -8/+16Please provide a quote from McCain where he says "Hagee is my ad visor" or something equally concrete.
          • greenbk, on 05/01/2008, -11/+8Semantics, Red Bull. McCain -- a Presidential nominee -- SOUGHT OUT Hagee's endorsement. You can bet there's going to be some advising going on whether or not McCain has 'anointed' Hagee with the title or not. Stop splitting hairs and account for the fact that McCain sought out someone who thought an American city should be basically destroyed. Account for it, or back it up, but don't ignore that reality.
          • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/01/2008, -7/+12By that logic, every single super delegate is the spiritual advisor of either Clinton or Obama.

            Actually, below I lay out the difference. One is bad, one is despicable.
        • pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -5/+7mccain's foreign policy of "bomb bomb bomb iran" is pretty in line with hagee's.
    • LukasSmith, on 05/01/2008, -10/+6Obamas religious master hates America and whitey. Since the US is majority whitey speaking for whitey I say we have a right to know what Obama plans for whitey and America in relation to the black community. I believe we have given them to much already. As Bill crosby says:
      'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk:
      Why you ain't,
      Where you is,
      What he drive,
      Where he stay,
      Where he work,
      Who you be...

      And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

      Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads.
      You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.

      In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched
      and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

      The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

      These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers
      for what ? ?

      And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

      I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an
      orange suit.

      Where were you when he was 2 ? ?

      Where were you when he was 12 ? ?

      Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol ? ?

      And where is the father ? ? Or who is his father ?

      People putting their clothes on backward:
      Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

      People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that
      a sign of something ?

      Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up ?

      Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and
      got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

      What part of Africa did this come from??

      We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans;
      they don't know a thing about Africa .

      With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap,
      and all of them are in jail.

      Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

      We have got to take the neighborhood back.

      People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with
      eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.

      We have millionaire football players who cannot read.

      We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs
      We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart
      with seven kids, you are hurting us.

      We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

      We cannot blame the white people any longer.'


      Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.
      • CeeAyy, on 05/01/2008, -2/+2His religious master? Wow... I commend you on stooping to a level that i didn't think was possible. It's one thing to say that he is a close friend or that he has been a big influence, but it is another thing entirely to call him his master. It connects them in the present in a powerful way and it means that Sen. Obama is exactly like Wright, which is not true. I have a hard time respecting your opinion when you frame something like that. It's sneaky. It requires dealing with the framing before we even get to the real point of the issue. I mean, do all men have a "religious master"? Your post is divisive and is MOSTLY a quote (taken out of context) from a man that hasn't been in touch with the everyday population in a long time. What does his quote have to do with Senator Obama? Nothing. If you read his quote in context you would know that he is not talking about "Black America", he is talking about POOR America, which is usually non-white in large cities. In sheer numbers the majority of poor people are "white" BTW, by a large amount.

        Anyway... on to your quote of "Dr." Cosby... If you know enough to call him Dr Cosby, you also know enough to be aware that it is an HONORARY PHD. You know as well as I do that if you just quoted regular old Bill Cosby, it wouldn't hold as much weight. He is just another man with an opinion when you leave out his honorary title. That is not to say that what he says is not partially correct. My point is actually that you are being deceptive and divisive by how you used the quote and by your use of his title. At any other time he would have been referred to as just Bill Cosby.

        Oh, and I almost forgot... "Whitey"... really? Wow... Are you really serious?

        "I believe we have given them to much already."
        - LukasSmith

        What have YOU given to Black people and who is this "we" that you talk about? I don't remember seeing you at the meetings... lol. Please don't reproduce.
      • OralCavity, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1troll
    • sodade, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2Apparently not :( Can't we all just agree to bury both Wright and Hagee related crap? They are both douchebags, but we are gonna get one of these candidates and I want to see ***** details and hear promises. At this point, I don't ***** care what skeletons the MSM cares to digg up - I'm burying it. What the ***** are you going to do with this sinking ship once you get in office? That's all I care about. Isn't it time for some ***** pragmatism?
      • jaxcs, on 05/01/2008, -3/+2Not until McCain gets hammered for this guy's crazy statements.
        • Monk22, on 05/01/2008, -1/+1mccain hasnt been going to hagees church for 20 years. a bit different.
  • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/01/2008, -32/+52Has McCain ever defended Hagee as being "misunderstood" only to then to turn around and say he was ourraged a few weeks later?
    • treehugger87, on 05/01/2008, -14/+18I assume by this you are inferring that Senator Obama once described Reverend Wright as "misunderstood." I, however, can find no evidence that he ever said so.
      • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/01/2008, -13/+21You are correct, Obama said we needed to take Wright's comments "in context." I should have put "outraged" in quotes.
      • artemus, on 05/01/2008, -12/+14No, McCain never said that. But that again, McCain doesn't attend Hagee's church, so how are we to know what he thinks?
        • sonstone, on 05/01/2008, -6/+13Because Hagee is a public figure who has openly made his views public and McCain continues to accept the endorsement and speak positively about the man.
          • hittnrun, on 05/01/2008, -8/+7Using your logic, Obama has even bigger problems. He has been endorsed by Hamas. Somehow I am guessing this is "different" in some nuanced way. lol
          • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -5/+4@sonstone, I am calling you a ***** liberal liar.

            John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

            http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
          • SixOrSoPapers, on 05/01/2008, -3/+4@ hittnrun.. *sigh* I'll feed the troll.

            It is not nuanced at all. McCain solicited the support, Obama in no uncertain terms did not. McCain accepted the support, Obama in no uncertain terms did not. McCain praised Hagee, Obama denounced Hamas. That isn't nuanced - it isn't even remotely similar: all of the meaningful details are polar opposites.

            @ RepubOperative (troll #2)

            When Obama disowned comments, the republicans clamored for him to disown the man. Now he has. The point, that you seem to be missing, is that McCain has only taken the first step and people suggest the stronger step is in order.
    • ruyen, on 05/01/2008, -13/+51No. McCain has never said he was outraged at Hagee's comments or that he was misunderstood, that's the problem. In fact he actually pursued his endorsement. Something Obama didn't do with Wright.
      • macweirdo42, on 05/01/2008, -11/+24Thank you. In fact, Mccain has gone so far as to practically endorse Hagee's views, in that he commented that he admired Hagee's pro-Israel stance. Makes me feel good, knowing a presidential candidate admires the stance of a man who is pro-Israel because he believes it's part of bringing about the end of the world.

        You can go on all you want about Obama's personal relationship with Rev. Wright, but that's just it - it's his personal relationship, and frankly doesn't add up to a hill of beans. In no way in his entire campaign has Obama said or done anything to suggest that he agrees with Rev. Wright's views. We all associate with people with crazy views, hell, most of us are related to them - does it mean that you endorse a friend's crazy views if you don't stop associating with him after he makes those views known? I have a friend who's a rabid Creationist - does that mean that I secretly have a Creationist agenda? Back when I wasn't an atheist, my priest was very firmly anti-gay. Does that make me have some sort of anti-gay agenda?
        • patpl22391, on 05/01/2008, -5/+5Admire =/= Endorse
        • WriterSD, on 05/01/2008, -3/+4There's a huge difference between "associating" with someone who has crazy views and having that person be your spiritual mentor and part of your inner circle. The latter is very relevant.
        • FairDinkumMate, on 05/01/2008, -0/+3And there's a huge difference between having a spiritual relationship with someone(whilst disagreeing with their political views) & being associated with them for PURELY POLITICAL purposes!
      • MikeFallopian, on 05/01/2008, -6/+5What doesn "pursued his endorsement" mean? One of McCain's staffers called up Hagee's secretary and said it would cool if Hagee told people to vote McCain? Please, they have no relationship whatsoever.
        • Malacandra95, on 05/01/2008, -5/+9NYT: "Is it true that McCain actively sought your endorsement?"
          Hagee: "It is true that McCain's campaign sought my endorsemement"
          http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/magazine/23wwln- ...
        • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -6/+4@Malacandra95, I am calling you a ***** liberal liar, and the NYT should have known better.

          John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

          http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
          • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0"I did not have religious relations with that fat man...."
        • StarlessKnight, on 05/01/2008, -2/+3Repub, just because you copy and paste the same quote and link while changing how you insult somebody does not mean your point is valid. Your quote does nothing to refute the quote Malacandra95 has. The NYT article is a Q&A with Hagee, it's hard to say they're lying when it's in HAGEE'S OWN FLIPPIN' WORDS. *Sigh*
      • pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -4/+6he stood on stage and said he agreed with hagee too:
        Mr. McCain, who has been on a steady search for support among conservative and evangelical leaders who have long distrusted him, said he was "very honored'' by Mr. Hagee's endorsement. Asked about Mr. Hagee's extensive writings on Armageddon and about what one questioner said was Mr. Hagee's belief that the anti-Christ will be the head of the European Union, Mr. McCain responded that "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support.''
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/mccain- ...
        • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -5/+4John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

          http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
          • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0"I did not have religious relations with that man...."
    • oldgal, on 05/01/2008, -3/+1No, he only does it on unimportant things like the Iraq war.
    • jaxcs, on 05/01/2008, -3/+1Let's hound McCain about this for a couple of months and we'll find out.
    • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2“Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views, which I obviously do not"
      • jaxcs, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1if he doesn't agree, why seek his support? hypocrisy. opportunism.
    • mxmj, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1I would agree with Obama on this. Wright is a bit nuts, and seems to have no real grasp of the effect the things he says have on public opinion BUT how many people in the country can fill in the rest of that quote? All you hear on TV is those three words repeated endlessly.
      "The government gives them the drugs, [he is referring to the CIA's past(?) involvement in the smuggling of cocaine into the United States] builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people, [sixth commandment] God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. [obvious] God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.[also obvious]”
      Reverend Wright
      I am not a religious person but I agree with him in regards to this quote, and if you truly thought about it and did not just focus on those three words you probably would too.
  • lhbaker, on 05/01/2008, -16/+30Thank the Lord we won't be voting for our candidates becuase of what their pastors think. Oh, *****....
  • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -30/+76There is a Very Big Difference between Pastors Hagee and Wright.

    Hagee says "Send more minority kids to fight for Israel."
    Wright says "Don't send minority kids to fight for Israel."

    See why Hagee lives in a mansion and gets "protection" from MSM scrutiny?
    • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -9/+14Holy *****! I hope none of the candidates are long term friends and protégé to those nutjobs.
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -16/+6You mean like McCain and Hagee?
        • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -5/+18Really? Do you have any evidence or has McCain admitted it? Because your argument looks equivalent to you telling the cop he was the one speeding.
    • NighthawkBlack, on 05/01/2008, -5/+10Well put. Hagee also founded 'Christians United For Israel' and promotes a nuclear first strike on Iran so we can hasten along the end times. He even came out with a book recently titled 'In Defense Of Israel', where he claimed Jesus never was, nor claimed to be, the messiah. ***** maniac.
      • fedupamerica, on 05/01/2008, -3/+7Please provide pages and quotes that support your comments. I have watched Haggee before and it doesn't sound like something he would say. As a matter of fact. I believe he has warned of Amnadidajaj's plan to hasten the end times.
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -5/+1>As a matter of fact. I believe he has warned of Amnadidajaj's plan to hasten the end times.

          That's the stupidest thing I've seen said in this entire story, and that's pretty damn stupid.
        • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -0/+3Neo, are you disputing Ahmadinejad's words or Hagee's?
  • moolaismyfriend, on 05/01/2008, -34/+28Yay but McCain's pastor was making fun of black people and gay people.

    You see conservatives don't care about black people or gay people.

    Got it?


    • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -13/+29Hagee is McCain's pastor now?

      Wow, you haven't been following this very closely have you?
      • moolaismyfriend, on 05/01/2008, -19/+11Ohh I'm sorry so his association with McCain is different because he onle seeks advice from him every now and again?

        Thanks buddy.

        Hey why do you hate our troops?
        • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -12/+19I'd say an acquaintance is different from a person that is described by a man as being like a father to him, yes.


          Your welcome buddy.

          Hey, why are you a welfare recipient who sells crack in Harlem?
          • moolaismyfriend, on 05/01/2008, -18/+16Wow ok then when Bush's pastor and weekly faith adviser Ted Haggard was found out to be a meth addict and cheated on his wife and kids with a gay man you wrote to the White House asking for a formal apology?

            Right you spinless *****?
          • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -11/+15Nope, I sure didn't. Did you? I also didn't write Obama demanding an apology for Wright's comments either. Bush can surround himself with a closeted homosexual meth-addict if he chooses, and Obama can surround himself with a cheap Al Sharpton knock-off if he want to. That allows me to dislike both Bush and Obama with these two instances being just a couple of many reasons for that dislike. Where as it can make you look like a hypocrite for defending Obama and bashing Bush and/or McCain.

            By the way, do you have a point with any of this?
          • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -15/+16@PolishLogic

            Don't argue with an idiot. Sometimes onlookers who just showed up can't tell the difference.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -14/+13Good point sir, good point.
          • moolaismyfriend, on 05/01/2008, -5/+6Good point from Jimmy Spazza?

            LOL, you are just gutter culture.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3Coming from you, that's comical.

            ***** savage.
      • DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -4/+5Well, Rod Parsley, who happens to be Hagee's soul brother (as in, they're essentially clones), is McCain's "spiritual adviser". And yes, McCain also sought that out.
        • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -4/+2John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

          http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
          • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0"I did not have religious relations with that man...."
    • greenbk, on 05/01/2008, -17/+15Actually, Hagee is McCain's SPIRITUAL ADVISER. Much worse.
      • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -9/+21What? Hagee actually isn't spiritual adviser to McCain, and Wight actually is spiritual adviser to Obama.
        • greenbk, on 05/01/2008, -13/+5See my comment below. But still, whether McCain has USED THAT TITLE or not. He did SEEK OUT Hagee's endorsement. Sounds like an adviser to me.
          • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -3/+12I'm going to pretend you are correct, and then ask why it makes Obama and Wright OK.
          • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -3/+3Advisor = 'hey, how can I get the people in your community to vote for me?'
            How is that an endorsement of the hateful things he says? It's not like McCain repeats them
        • pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -4/+3masterm1nd is right, hagee isn't mccain's spiritual advisor. this guy is:
          http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/200 ...
      • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -8/+9greenbk: Please feel free to read up on that, then come back here and admit your mistake.
        • greenbk, on 05/01/2008, -11/+6Please feel free to read up on the fact that McCain courted Hagee's advice and endorsement to use Hagee's evangelical vote. Typical right wing. When it is something horrific like Hagee, split hairs and argue semantics but never EVER address the substance of the debate.
          • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -4/+9I really don't get where you're going with this? How can I address the issue when you've just changed it from incorrectly calling Hagee his spiritual advisor to now stating the fact that McCain courted him for an endorsement for the sole purpose of gaining 19,000 votes from active members and free publicity to hundreds of thousands of others via his broadcast ministry. That my friend is a political move. Much like Obama's denouncement of Wright was a political move as well.

            So what's your point? Are you expecting me to say that McCain using Hagee for political gain is bad? Sorry, but I don't think it is. Those wackjobs in his flock have to vote for somebody and if you can be that person, go for it. Nobody ever won an election by turning support away and towards another candidate. Considering that Hagee is a *****, I think he's ripe for being used and abused.

            As for Obama, his problem was magnified by the fact that he was directly connected for quite some time to Wright, and that Wright was a member of his campaign committee. So you can't say he didn't intend for this to be a part of his campaign. I'd be taking a much harder line on McCain if Hagee was his adviser, either spiritually or in a campaign member capacity. That wasn't the case, so I don't scrutinize the issue as much.

            As for right wing....you've got no ***** clue who I'm voting for, or if I'm even going to bother voting in November's farce.
          • Laughsatyou, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2apparently if someone doesnt agree with you and suck your *****, they must be a typical right wing.
      • greenbk, on 05/01/2008, -9/+8Actually, I thought he was McCain's SA but I guess he's not, my bad.

        Still, McCain did SEEK OUT Hagee's endoresement with the sole purpose of USING Hagee's "flock" to win political points and votes. The Wright controversy is entirely a media creation and something that Barack Obama did NOT intend to be a part of his campaign.

        Therein lies the enormous difference. And as people have pointed out, when Wright took his comments too far (accusing Obama of throwing him under the bus for political reasons) Obama got mad and made that clear to everyone. McCain got caught soliciting Hagee's endorsement, agreed it was an error in judgement and said on national TV: so what.

        When asked in an exclusive "This Week" interview with George Stephanopoulos if it was "a mistake to solicit and accept his endorsement", McCain replied "oh, probably, sure." Despite admitting his error, McCain made clear he's still "glad to have his endorsement."

        WTF is that?

        Just bizarre if you ask me.
        • hittnrun, on 05/01/2008, -3/+6Don't let the truth get in your way.
        • Laughsatyou, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5sounds more like your just bitter about the dirt on your man, and trying hard to label the republican candidate with the same issue. which its not. not even close.
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -16/+6HAGEE HATES AMERICA

        http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/164550 ...
        • PolishLogic, on 05/01/2008, -6/+15Well he sure as hell isn't alone. Read the comment section from any political story on digg.
    • bingobongony, on 05/01/2008, -3/+4I can't imagine that you actually think that your comment makes you look good.
  • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -47/+15Hagee is NOT like Wright.

    Hagee loves America and Israel. Wright hates America and Israel.

    Hagee says to treat everyone regardless of skin color with respect. Wright says white people created AIDS to hurt black people.

    Hagee says...well, you get the idea. Hagee is a pastor. Wright is a racist and black supremacist. Bottom line. And no amount of damage control and spin can ever change that leopard's spots.
    • eclipse007, on 05/01/2008, -19/+50Hagee wants to kill most of the world's population so that Jesus comes back and gives the promised land back to god's chosen people. I think this is a few orders of magnitude worse than anything Wright believes in.
      • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/01/2008, -13/+10I think you had better provide some quotes if you are going to accuse someone of wanted to murder most of the world's population.
        • hittnrun, on 05/01/2008, -10/+6This is a liars nest.

          McCain hasn't even won yet and he's got the diggbots cooking up their little whines and rants and skreeds. Trying out their little cooked up words and such.
          • bullcutter, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1McCain won't win. He's unelectable. Even the majority of his own party realizes this. You nominated a mediocre used car salesman that nobody really likes, but since he went through hell in his lifetime nobody's gonna call him out on this dilemma.
      • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -15/+3That is a gross mischaracterization of a fairly common interpretation of one part of the bible. Believe it or not, the armageddon stuff in Revelations is important to the faith of only a very small number of Christians who are generally avoided by the others. Since preachers go to seminary they generally study revelations and may have something to say about it but how one interprets that particular book is mostly irrelevant to the message that they preach.
        • 47f0, on 05/01/2008, -7/+10That is a very accurate translation of Hagee's book, 'Jerusalem Countdown'. And I suppose while you're wetting your panties about "gawdam America" that Pastor Hagee's despicable and loathsome remarks about New Orleans are fine. And McCain is still, and I quote, "proud to have his endorsement".
          • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -4/+3There are a number of other assumptions of the conditions under which the rapture will occur that make that hard to believe. Did he suggest killing Christians or preaching atheism because it is also commonly interpreted as saying that Christians will be of such a minority that they'll be relatively powerless to stop anything.
          • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -8/+3@47f0, I am calling you a ***** liberal liar.

            John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

            http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
          • dbs1221, on 05/01/2008, -2/+2@ RepubOperative
            "When asked in an exclusive "This Week" interview with George Stephanopoulos if it was "a mistake to solicit and accept his endorsement", McCain replied "oh, probably, sure." Despite admitting his error, McCain made clear he's still "glad to have his endorsement.""
            From interview here:
            http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/mc ...

            And that interview occured April 20th more than a month after your march 4th article (which by the way never mentioned McCain denouncing Hagee)
            My article does have a quote of McCain saying he still "proud to have his endorsement" so I'm goinng to call you a ***** ignorant liar
            and @47fo your right.

            P.S.
            If you are as a republican operative are indicative of the average employee of the republican party it's a wonder they get anything done.
        • rationalist, on 05/01/2008, -1/+4Not according to the most recent Newsweek poll of Americans:

          "A majority (55%) believe in "the Rapture," that before the world ends the religiously faithful will be saved and taken to Heaven; and more than a third (36%) say the Bible's book of Revelation is a "true prophesy" that predicts the end of the world as it will happen (47% say it's a metaphorical account)."

          http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl ...
          • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -5/+2That doesn't mean that it's important to them. A Christian believes in the bible and so they'll believe the general concepts of Revelations are true but it doesn't play a role in their faith. In all but a few denominations you could go to every church service for years and never hear a sermon about it. The book is so metaphorical that no interpretation is more obvious than another. The general concept of 'revelation' is about all that can be understood with certainty.
          • dbs1221, on 05/01/2008, -2/+1The rapture aside isn't what he said about catholics enough to warrant a denunciation or at least more media attention in lieu of the amount of Wright coverage.
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -17/+21You are completely wrong, you CUFI fanatic. As a devout Catholic, I see Wright as a true patriot and Christian pastor, and Hagee is a televangelist End-of-the-Word fanatic cult leader, that values Israel far more than the US and has NOTHING to do with Christianity -- in fact it's ANTI-Christian.

      This is not just my opinion, the vast majority of Christians feel the same way. You're all by yourself, cult member.
      • rationalist, on 05/01/2008, -5/+655% of Americans believe in the Rapture, and more than a third believe in a literal reading of the book of Revelation as a "true prophesy" (recent Newsweek poll, I linked to a release about it just above).

        And any shmuck that thinks AIDS is a conspiracy by white people is no better than the shmucks who claim it is their God punishing gay people. They are all *****, hateful, ignorant and destructive preachers, and the color of their skin is as irrelevant as their attitudes toward Israel. You are a hypocrite apologist who is led by emotion not reason, otherwise you would, as any rational person would, say "a pox on both their houses of worship".
    • 911ArtStudent, on 05/01/2008, -18/+2Wrong. Hagee loves Israel and couldn't give a ***** for the dumb goyim who fall for his message of Jewish supremacy.
      • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -3/+3Hagee doesn't say that the Jewish people are supreme over all other humans or are simply more worthy people to live. He says what the Bible says...that God, for whatever reason, chose the Jewish people to be His original messengers on the earth. God's choice, we do know, has nothing to do with anyone's inherent worth as a human being.
    • bullcutter, on 05/01/2008, -9/+16"Wright hates America and Israel."

      proof please. at least provide some evidence. you can't just say ridiculous ***** and expect it to stand on its own without any backing in reality.
      • DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -4/+5Well, calling response to Qassam attacks and suicide bombings "state terrorism" is one.

        Oh, and I could care less about Hagee's support of Israel. I don't want it.
      • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -10/+3YouTube - Wright says that Israel is responsible for 9/11
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnI431s1r6s
        • FairDinkumMate, on 05/01/2008, -2/+7Well you just lost any credibility you ever thought you could create because EVERYONE on DIGG(even Jimmy Spaza) has seen the 15 seconds before the cut-out section of video you just linked to where Rev.Wright says he is quoting AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR!
          Time to create a new alias - MORON!
      • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -6/+2Here are Wright's unedited sermons. Judge for yourself.

        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352661,00.html
        • mxmj, on 05/01/2008, -1/+1Imagine that, its on Fox News...
          • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -3/+1They report, YOU decide.

            Strange how you won't see these videos on liberal news websites. Well, maybe not so strange. I guess these UNEDITED videos don't help Wright's case...or Obama's candidacy. If they did, you'd see these videos aired every night from every leftwing venue.
          • mxmj, on 05/01/2008, -2/+2Wright is a bit nuts, and seems to have no real grasp of the effect the things he says have on public opinion BUT how many people in the country can fill in the rest of that quote? All you hear on TV is those three words repeated endlessly.
            "The government gives them the drugs, [he is referring to the CIA's past(?) involvement in the smuggling of cocaine into the United States] builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people, [sixth commandment] God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. [obvious] God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.[also obvious]”
            Reverend Wright
            I am not a religious person but I agree with him in regards to this quote, and if you truly thought about it and did not just focus on those three words you probably would too.
          • bullcutter, on 05/02/2008, -1/+2" I guess these UNEDITED videos don't help Wright's case...or Obama's candidacy."

            Well they certainly don't hurt. In the time since the Wright "scandal" broke, Obama has only GAINED delegates.

            But that's mainly because, despite the worst intentions of the Shillary camp and the loud/fat fags of rightwing radio, Americans still think for themselves, and they can figure out that Wright does not necessarily equal Obama.

            Anybody who honestly thinks Wright's sermons somehow make Obama anti-American is a bigoted retard and was already voting Republican anyway, so who gives a flying ***** about their opinion?
      • StarlessKnight, on 05/01/2008, -2/+4"Hagee is a pastor. Wright is a racist and black supremacist." What? Only white people can be Pastors now? You are not the sole arbitrator on who is or is not a pastor. In fact, being the head of a church larger than the size of your house, I'm pretty sure he's a pastor.

        "Wright hates America and Israel." No, Wright probably just "hates" the type of people you pretend (one only hopes) to represent.

        "Wright says white people created AIDS to hurt black people." Because white people (see the majority of those in power) would *never* do anything remotely like allowing minorities to suffer from a disease without treatment simply because they could... http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/ ...
        "For 40 years, the U.S. Public Health Service has conducted a study in which human guinea pigs, not given proper treatment, have died of syphilis and its side effects," Associated Press reporter Jean Heller wrote on July 25, 1972. "The study was conducted to determine from autopsies what the disease does to the human body."
        [...]
        "The Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began the study in 1932. Nearly 400 poor black men with syphilis from Macon County, Ala., were enrolled in the study. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for "bad blood," a local term used to describe several illnesses, including syphilis, anemia and fatigue."
        • JimmySpaza, on 05/01/2008, -3/+1So, white people (not GOVERNMENT controlled by a few men who happen to have white skin) hurt some black people in the past (syphilis)...and this justified Wright saying that white people created AIDS to hurt blacks?!? Please tell me that you're joking. The logic, or lack thereof, inherent in such a statement is alluding.
          • bullcutter, on 05/02/2008, -1/+1you're wasting far too much time on a non-issue.

            if you're a republican it should hardly matter to you because you were going to vote for McCain anyway (who is a traitorous ideological chameleon btw. at least Obama is who he says he is and doesn't pander to the masses by being spineless and flip-floppy about everything - saying or doing ANYTHING for fame & power - better get in all your praise for McCain now because by Dec. he'll be little more than a fuzzy memory!)
    • IHaveIssues, on 05/01/2008, -5/+11Who give a ***** about Israel. Let them fend for themselves.
      • mxmj, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2I agree that we are far too involved but if they were left completely to their own devices, it could be VERY bad for the world as a whole.
  • blindhammer, on 05/01/2008, -12/+54Yay! Religion! Dividing people since the dawn of civilization! Yay!
    • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -5/+3please make an Amotivational Poster for that one! I will buy the shirt on cafepress asap.
  • MarkusGarvey, on 05/01/2008, -12/+14"This country needs a healthy and open discussion of race. Mr. Obama’s repudiation of Mr. Wright is part of that. His opponents also have a responsibility — to repudiate the race-baiting and make sure it stops."...time to wash the dirty laundry!!!...
    • greenbk, on 05/01/2008, -3/+5So so true. I hate to be cynical, but it won't be happening any time soon. Race baiting is pretty much all they have.
  • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -11/+18Both pastors are completely nuts. Even if one is worse than the other, they're both completely wrong, so I think the relationship to the candidate is key.
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -13/+3Oh, brilliant strategy to still cream Obama!

      ***** Likud, ***** Shas!
      • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -4/+8If by brilliant strategy you mean common sense, sure. Let's say Hagee never existed and Wright was also to McCain what Hagee is to McCain. Who do you think this would hurt more, the guy that Wright endorsed, or the guy that Wright endorsed and also was friend and spiritual mentor of twenty years?
        • Kizilbash, on 05/01/2008, -7/+3Spiritual mentor? *shockhorror* Are you saying Obama is not a Muzzle-im?!!

          (And since this is Digg and the IQ is low...) /sarcasm off.
          • masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -1/+1According to Muslim law, he actually is Muslim by blood. But According to Obama, he doesn't practice.
    • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3In order to show that this is somehting that matters it would need to be shown that they didn't want an endorsement and advice simply for the purposes of helping them get more votes. Preachers know the kind of eople in their community well and they're influential people. Their advice and endorsement could help a candidate win a lot of votes. Generally, these kinds of associations are not direct reflections on the character of a candidate.

      An endorsement by an individual isn't an endorsement of the individual by the candidate. If some ass hole chooses a particular candidate it shouldn't be interpreted as a signal to non-ass holes not to vote for that person.
    • Kizilbash, on 05/01/2008, -10/+3Wright is pretty sane it seems to me. Hagee doesn't seem to have any connection to reality. So your premise is bogus.
      • hittnrun, on 05/01/2008, -0/+6Only people on "the koolaid" would think like you.
    • krnldmp, on 05/01/2008, -4/+2All pastors are completely nuts, and only have a job because of other nutty types.
    • pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -6/+3one blamed 9/11 on our past foreign policy, the other blamed it on the gays. the latter is far crazier.
    • jaxcs, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1If you grow up with someone, there are a lot of things that can form a bond that keeps the relationship going. But to seek out the support of someone whose opinions you know to be poison? I think that's worse.
  • 911ArtStudent, on 05/01/2008, -16/+17Let us not forget that Hagee has called the Catholic Church the Great Whore of Babylon and depicted them as gorging on the blood of the Jewish people. Hagee also maintains that Jesus was NOT the Messiah - a clear affront to Christian beliefs.

    Also, let's not forget that McCain explicitly sought Hagee's endorsement. It's not as if he had loose and inconvenient ties to the man. Obama at least has publicly distanced himself from Wright.
    • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -7/+4If you're going to make accusations like that with the implication that they're relevant you're going to have to provide some support to both points.

      Would it be wrong to seek the endorsement of a rabbi who also doesn't believe Jesus is the messiah and also doesn't have favorable things to say about the catholic church?
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -10/+3Yeah if the rabbi called himself a Christian!!!!

        Rev. Hagee calls himself a Christian, but he is anti-Christian, and a fanatical End-of-the-World CULT LEADER.
    • 911ArtStudent, on 05/01/2008, -7/+10Here you go 3tcp:
      1. Hagee has called the Catholic Church the Great Whore of Babylon and depicted them as gorging on the blood of the Jewish people: http://youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q

      2. Hagee also maintains that Jesus was NOT the Messiah - a clear affront to Christian beliefs:
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=m8khCJTDD44&feature=rel ...
      • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -3/+3It sounded like the jewish blood thing was a reference to historical events (inquisition) and the whore of babylon thing seems to be just trying to fit the pieces of revelations together. Considering the catholic chuch's power it's pretty common for them to fill some role described in revelations, one that has at times been assigned to the EU, UN, USSR, etc...

        He didnt' say that jesus wasn't the messiah but he said that jesus didn't say he was the messiah. This is confusing since most christians believe he did but maybe he he was implying that jews had reason to believe that jesus didnt' say that. I've never heard anything like that, sounds like he just wanted to sell books.

        Either way, his obsession with revelations and efforts to twist the words of the bible to imply that Jews weren't invited to become christians by Jesus are very unorthodox and show a willingness to try to make it so the bible says what he wants it to say.
        I don't like the guy, but he's popular and can speak for a lot of other peopel who are just as screwed up. There are no political implications for these opinions and the McCain's campaign seeking advice from a nut job over how to get nut jobs to vote for him doesn't imply that McCain believes these things. You may be able to become senator from Kentucky with these positions but not from Arizona.
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -5/+3Arizona is the state that gave us Jon Kyl, and wouldn't recognize MLKJr Day. Sure as hell it would turn out Hagee worshipers like McCain.
    • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -4/+5@911ArtStudent

      John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

      http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -5/+2You've already posted this *****, he didn't repudiate his support, and it was weak. What Obama heard was new to him. McCain has known for years the crap Hagee says that he just conveniently repudiated for political reasons. That he ever liked him at all is immediate grounds for disqualification as presidential material.
      • Gandalf101160, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2It would never fly, but I'd prefer a candidate who was an atheist. Keep your religion to yourself. "Religion is the opiate of the masses" I'm sure someone will brand me as communist for this quote and they could not be further from the truth. The problems of our country won't be solved with pray. It would take tough decisions, and bitter medicine no one would be willing to swallow.
      • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0"I did not have religious relations with that priest...."
  • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -25/+19Rev. Hagee HATES America and hopes God damns America!

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/164550 ...

    He is an insane traitorous anti-American anti-Christian fanatic End-of-the-World cult televangelist cult leader.
    • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -6/+11...and those are his good qualities!

      he's also fat, looks like jerry falwell, and his a terrible father. his kids chose to live with mommy, despite his country club golf course facing mansion, complete with private fireworks display on july 4th.
    • 47f0, on 05/01/2008, -6/+7Holy sweet mother of reason! Who the ***** is digging you down? All the lost souls that fat ***** Falwell cast loose with his long-overdue demise? How can anyone contrast a ticked off black pastor who remembers things like white-only restrooms, with a complete and utter psychopath like Hagee, who believes in the U.S.'s divine role in a nuclear Armageddon? Digg Emporer, Neo and me down, but have the guts to show yourself, you pitiful Neocon cowards.
      • DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -3/+9If you've seen what he's posted elsewhere, you'll know why I'm digging every one of his posts down, whether I agree with them or not.
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -7/+1Is that an allusion to your antisemitic fanatical anti-Israel Likudnik mentality being unable to accept my pro-Israel voice of peace and reason?

          That'd be yes, Bob.
          • DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -1/+6OK, maybe I should start having compassion on you, as you're obviously dyslexic.
          • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -8/+1That might be funny if it made sense.

            Very touching of you to show up and shill for your Christian Zionist brothers.

            digg should ban you for desecrating the Israeli flag.
        • CeeAyy, on 05/01/2008, -1/+1Digging down a post even if you agree with it because you don't like the person? What!? Why are you even on DIGG? I hope that's not the norm. That's one of the more asinine things I have read on DIGG, and that's saying something. Maybe I am mistaken in thinking that this site is about news and ideas, and not about people in a popularity contest. Do vote the same way? Did you vote for Bush? Do you always vote for the same political party?
          • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -1/+0At least he told us his asinine reason for his asinine action. Admitting he's asinine is the least asinine thing he's done. Or the most. In any case, Operation Troll is complete.
        • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -1/+0I dugg you up for enticing everyone look at my posts. Thanks for the extra attention.

          Troll Mission Accomplished
    • metric7, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3Nailed it.
  • 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -10/+16The bottom line is that politicians shouldn't have to denounce preachers like this. The application of theology to politics by preachers is not why people go to church. The only reason why Obama got caught up in this mess with his preacher is because the media was pushing the story and white people, scared by fiery black preaching, bit on it.
    Politicians have to connect with a huge number of influential people and it's probable that Obama was a member of that church because it's so freakin' huge and they'll all go vote and volunteer for a member of their church.

    It's stupid that we even know who Wright is. Obama was the victim of a sensationalist media. He isn't a different candidate than he was 6 months ago, the media just tries to make politicians their bitch by getting them to apologize for irrelevant nonsense.

    I've seen more stories trying to bash candidates for their associations in the last few days than I have stories about McCain's health care reform plan the other day. You know, something actually involving the issues...
    • WriterSD, on 05/01/2008, -4/+3Actually, Obama said that Wright was like family, he was a spiritual adviser. Wright baptized his children and married Obama and Michelle. That's FAR closer of a relationship than attending a church just because "it's so freakin' huge."
      • jaxcs, on 05/01/2008, -0/+3They're friends. They moved in similar circles. The number of prominent blacks at their level is few and far between. Wright seems like a nice genial guy while speaking with Bill Moyer. But, and this should never be forgotten, he is a preacher and full of condemnation and hellfire. He condemns every bit as much as he praises. If you go to church, you know what I mean. All spiritual leaders have this quality about them, even the Dahli Lama (It was reported that during his historic speech in NYC a few years ago, the speech and demeanor the Dahli Lama used with his followers was vastly different from the one directed to the general public).
  • trotskyist, on 05/01/2008, -9/+16As bad a Wright?
    Hagee and Wright aren't even on the same planet in terms of crazy.
    • sonstone, on 05/01/2008, -7/+13True, Hagee ownz Wright in the crazy contest
      • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0Youtube of Hagge vs Wright crazy contest plz. Far better than boring RepublicRat debates.
    • MotherGinSling, on 05/01/2008, -5/+10Your right. Hagee is a hundred times as crazy. He would like to nuke the entire middle east to hasten Armageddon.
  • kolinkoolface2, on 05/01/2008, -9/+2i don't think your going to find anything that equates to Rev. Wright unless you go down to the deep south. Then you will begin to find the opposite side of the spectrum for Rev. Wright.
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -9/+3Rev. Wright is fine. "Rev." Hagee isn't even a reverand, because Christian Zionists aren't Christian, they're anti-Christian. Hagee is a fanatical End-of-the-World cult leader that hates America and Loves Israel -- so they can DESTROY Israel. Complete psychos.
  • tatinthehat, on 05/01/2008, -7/+11And the Evangelicals still won't understand why politics never mixes well with religion.
  • george2gfm, on 05/01/2008, -12/+7Wright is nuts, no one is close to that guy.
    • Mardala, on 05/01/2008, -5/+9BS.
      Don't forget our lame president got spiritual advice from a meth head. But I guess that doesn't count.
      • Laughsatyou, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2it counts, but this is '08 not '04.
    • sonstone, on 05/01/2008, -4/+11You should do some research on the crazy ***** that Hagee says. Here is my favorite quote:

      "The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."
  • Habemus, on 05/01/2008, -17/+32Has McCain ever regularly attended Hagee's church?
    Has McCain ever even been to Hagee's church?
    Has McCain ever endorsed Hagee as his spiritual leader or mentor?
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -18/+7Doesn't matter, he supports Hagee and legitimizes him. Obama has repudiated Wright, game over dumbass. You scum have to find a different talking point because that one doesn't work.
      • Habemus, on 05/01/2008, -5/+13WTF? When did McCain say he "supports" Hagee?
        You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to make up your own facts.
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -6/+4Oh, maybe when he HUGGED HIM for the fifth time?
      • twomeyw23334, on 05/01/2008, -4/+4So its ok to equivalize the relationships of Obama and McCain to these people but its not ok to point out the relationships are completely different? Do you realize how many wackos endorse every candidate. Is every candidate supposed to repudiate every jackass who supports them? Obama attended Wright's church for 20 years (apparently clueless about his views), had him baptize his children, wrote a book based off one of his sermons, had him work for his election campaign before this controversy started, and DEFENDED him until focus groups showed that he was beginning to severely hurt his campaign and Wright himself was clearly turning on Obama. These aren't talking points, they are clear facts.
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -5/+6Obama repudiated him when he heard words of Wrights he hadn't yet and disagreed with. Those are the "clear facts" of which you speak. Wright isn't a big deal, Catholics support him.

          McCain supports Hagee, a dangerous anti-Christian CULT LEADER who Catholics see as a total heretic blasphemer.

          The facts are you're comparing a patriot and loved pastor to an insane anti-Christian anti-American End-of-the-World CULT LEADER.

          WHOOSH your talking point goes bye bye
          • twomeyw23334, on 05/01/2008, -4/+2No, Obama waited until AFTER the focus group results before repudiating Wright, and there is no way you can honestly believe Wright never spoke on any of these issues for the first 20 years of their relationship. Hagee supports McCain, not visa versa, and mainstream Catholics definitely don't support the anti-semitic, Porsche driving, Chicago mansion living Wright . In fact, many black pastors have speaking out against him.
            McCain on Hagee, "I don't have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions. . . ."
            Yeah, thats a real endorsement, definitely equivalent to going to his church for 20 years and giving the guy tons of money as well as a position in his campaign committee. And I'm certain that some of those in Hagee's parish (yeah, McCain is not one of them) love him as well, so WOOSH! FAIL WRONG and every other infantile comment that clearly demonstrates you intellectual superiority right back at you.
          • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -4/+3>Catholics definitely don't support the anti-semitic, Porsche driving, Chicago mansion living Wright

            You are 100% backwards on that. Catholic priests have gone on video DEFENDING Wright. Catholics DESPISE Hagee and think he is a blasphemous heretic.

            Your attempts to portray Wright as super-rich are ridiculous, he is as well off as many pastors. HAGEE THE CULT TELEVANGELIST??? Oh lets see private jet, supermansions, his own network, etc etc etc.

            There's nothing wrong with Wright, I like him and a couple things he says is a bit off but that's part of the black experience of America. Most people feel the same way. Hagee is a ***** lunatic traitor who hates America and is a fat chickenhawk who wants to nuke Iran, FOR ISRAEL.

            WHOOSH your talking point goes bye bye, paid shill.
          • twomeyw23334, on 05/01/2008, -3/+3Ok, so your obviously a lunatic as well. Does that mean Obama needs to repudiate you too. Remember, according to your logic, the man is dictated by who supports him, not who he associates with.

            I never defended Hagee so don't really see why you persist on demonizing the guy to me. HE IS NOT MCCAINS PASTOR OR FRIEND OR MENTOR OR WORK FOR HIS COMPAIGN> HE IS NOT MCCAINS PASTOR OR FRIEND OR MENTOR OR WORK FOR HIS COMPAIGN> HE IS NOT MCCAINS PASTOR OR FRIEND OR MENTOR OR WORK FOR HIS COMPAIGN>
            Read that a couple of times. He is really not all that bad anyways other than a few things, its all part of the red neck hick egotistical pastor experience of America. Most people feel the same way (which apparently makes it acceptable) otherwise he wouldn't have a following.
            1second left, down 2 points, at the 3 point line..........SWOOSH, nothing but net, asta la vista baby!!! I'm off to collect my paycheck!
          • RuffRidr, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3"You are 100% backwards on that. Catholic priests have gone on video DEFENDING Wright. Catholics DESPISE Hagee and think he is a blasphemous heretic."

            One or two priests do not speak for the entire Catholic church. Find any citation of someone in an official position backing you up, or this is 100% a ***** talking point by you.

            "There's nothing wrong with Wright, I like him and a couple things he says is a bit off but that's part of the black experience of America. Most people feel the same way."

            What do you mean by the 'black experience'? Which of his statements are defending because of the fact he is black and not white? Is it the one where the US government invented AIDS to kill off blacks?
          • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -3/+1>One or two priests do not speak for the entire Catholic church. Find any citation of someone in an official position backing you up, or this is 100% a ***** talking point by you.

            Oh you mean like how the top members of the Catholic Church have condemned Hagee? Wright isn't an issue that the upper hierarchy cares about, they've said nothing which means they think he is fine. But when FOX news has gone to confront Catholic priests, they've gotten an earful of SUPPORT for Wright. Sorry *****, but just because the Pope isn't standing up yelling for Wright doesn't mean anything. In fact, our Church is standing up yelling AGAINST YOUR MAN HAGEE but you don't seem to care too much about that, huh?

            WHOOSH your talking point goes bye bye, paid shill.
    • exomni, on 05/01/2008, -8/+12"Has McCain ever endorsed Hagee as his spiritual leader or mentor?"

      Yes, with those exact words, actually:

      "I am very proud of Pastor John Hagee’s spiritual leadership to thousands of people" - John McCain
      • d3mag0gu3, on 05/01/2008, -4/+1How does that make Hagee McCain's spiritual leader? Lousy scum obamabot at it again. Also, Obama's book "Audacity of Hope" is from Wright's sermon. Did McCain ever title his book off of Hagee's sermon?
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -2/+2False equivalence of Wright and Hagee. Wright is a patriotic decorated marine and popular CHRISTIAN Pastor, who nobody has a problem with except people like you who are trying to go after Obama. Hagee is an insane anti-American anti-Christian End-of-the-World ultra-Zionist chickenhawk CULT Leader who advocates nuclear war and genocide. Hagee should be in prison and his cult disbanded. Wright is just fine.

          That McCain EVER REMOTELY associated with Hagee is grounds for immediate disqualification as President, for hating Christianity and America.
          • 140Suffolk, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2Thank you for your opinion. It will be given all the weight and consideration it deserves.
            PS - Fortunately YOU don't get to disqualify candidates.
  • Habemus, on 05/01/2008, -13/+11Quoting Masterm1nd's astute observation:

    It's not about the crazy pastor supporting the candidate.
    It's about the candidate supporting the crazy pastor.

    It's not about the crazy pastor supporting the candidate.
    It's about the candidate supporting the crazy pastor.

    It's not about the crazy pastor supporting the candidate.
    It's about the candidate supporting the crazy pastor.

    Big difference! Which only the blind cannot see.
  • MikeFallopian, on 05/01/2008, -10/+22McCain's link to Hagee is practically non-existant. He said he was happy to have the guy's endorsement and the votes that entails - what politician wouldn't be? He hasn't endorsed Hagee's nutty views and they don't have any sort of relationship. This is a sad and cynical attempt to balance out the Wright issue - which I agree has drawn an excess of attention.
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -12/+6Wrong, Obama has publicly repudiated Wright, McCain publicly embraces Hagee. Hagee is 10,000 times worse and insane, and anti-Christian to boot.

      your talking point evaporates before your team's eyes!
      • RepubOperative, on 05/01/2008, -3/+3John McCain repudiated any views Friday of a prominent televangelist who endorsed him last month "if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." McCain has come under fire since televangelist John Hagee endorsed him Feb. 27, but until Friday his response had been tepid. But he said Friday he had been hearing from Catholics who find Hagee's comments offensive. Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has called the Roman Catholic Church a "false cult system." Hagee's endorsement had been intended to shore up McCain's support among evangelical Christians.

        http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/ny-txtca ...
        • EmporerTitus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0"I did not have religious relations with that Pastor...."
    • facelesscoward, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2What politician wouldn't be? Anyone with a grain of awareness and moral fiber. This man is infinitely worse than Louis Farrakhan or Rev. Wright or anyone who Obama had to come out and publicly denounce. He literally wants millions of people dead to fulfill some fairy tale Armageddon fantasy. It's absolutely terrifying to think that these people should have any political relevance in 21st century America.
  • flogistan, on 05/01/2008, -8/+8The times loves Hagee ten times more than McCain ever could. Hagee is a bajillion times worse than wright.
  • vinnyvenus, on 05/01/2008, -12/+20John Hagee is not Mccain's pastor. Maccain did not attend Hagee's church for twenty years. Hagee did not baptized Mccain's children. Hagee did not conduct Maccain's marriage. So we cannot compare Hagee and Wright.
    • MotherGinSling, on 05/01/2008, -10/+10You're right. McCain's got a far worse problem with Hagee. He actually went out of his way to seek the endorsement of Hagee, who is anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, and anti-gay. Hagee believes Jews are responsible for bringing persecution upon themselves, he believes U.S. foreign policy should actively help bring about the Rapture, and he believes Americans’ sins led to Hurricane Katrina’s destruction. Confronted with these inconvenient facts, McCain won’t denounce or reject any of this.
      • p0s3r, on 05/01/2008, -7/+10Because, somehow on some bizarro planet, seeking an endorsement is 10x more damning then spending 23 years at his church, having your house blessed, inspiring titles of your books, marrying you and your wife, baptizing your kids, and being the recipient of over $100k in donations! Because those none of those things imply that you endorse that persons views at all! Just random happenstance!

        Thanks for putting it in the proper perspective.
        • twomeyw23334, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3Don't forget hiring him to work for his campaign committee.
        • txchica, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2@twomey, where did you get your info that Hagee was hired to work for McCain's campaign committee?
          • p0s3r, on 05/01/2008, -0/+3He's talking about Wright. Wright was part of Obama's campaign until Obama through him under the bus for political expediency.
          • CeeAyy, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2Actually, he did NOT throw him under the bus for political expediency. He REFUSED to throw him under the bus as was expected to do, by most people, and he took the "hit" for it that he knew was coming. Only after Wright's most recent ridiculous comments did he "throw him under the bus". Senator Obama was in a no-win situation from the beginning of this story. If he completely disassociated himself from Wright, then he would have been seen as the typical politician. If he kept close ties he was done. As a politician, he actually did the smart thing. As a person he did the right thing.

            Now, here is my question... If Rev. Wright did a lot of baptisms for his congregation, are all the parents of those children bigots? Are those children bigots. Is his congregation filled with bigots? Are they all robots who all say and do exactly what the reverend wants them to do without question? How about this... If the priest in your church is holy, does that mean that everyone in your congregation is holy and follows his word to the letter and does exactly what he says that they should do? Of course not. The last time I checked, everyone in church is a sinner.
          • txchica, on 05/02/2008, -0/+1@P0s3r, thanks for the clarification.
    • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -11/+5Wrong, Obama has publicly repudiated Wright, McCain publicly embraces Hagee. Hagee is 10,000 times worse and insane, and anti-Christian to boot.

      your talking point evaporates before your team's eyes!
      • p0s3r, on 05/01/2008, -2/+9Lets fast forward 20 years. If by then McCain hasn't given a big speech on religion in America where he says Hagee is right and everyone else is wrong, then 1 month afterwards doesn't hold a press conference to disown Hagee, then you'll have a point.
      • 140Suffolk, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1Evaporates? Nobody is falling for this you know. Obama is cooked. And he's got plenty more skeletons waiting to come out.
  • briansearles, on 05/01/2008, -4/+8Why does it matter again if you know or are friends with people who are nuts? Obama is nothing like Wright and McCain is nothing like Hagee. Why does any of this even matter?
    • 140Suffolk, on 05/01/2008, -4/+3Obama is a LOT like Wright. Otherwise he would not have gone to his church for 20+ years and brought his daughters. Otherwise he would not have just given him $20,000. Otherwise he wouldn't have taken the title of his book from one of Wright 's stupid sermons.
      You don't go to the concert if you don't like the band.
      • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -4/+2How sweet of you to shill for your Christian Zionist cousins. You both have the same cause, right, so you'll lie for them if they'll lie for you!

        Please continue spreading anti-Israel antisemitic Likudnik hate.
        • 140Suffolk, on 05/01/2008, -2/+3Which is the lie? Did Obama NOT go there for 20+ years? Did he NOT bring his daughters? Did Obama NOT contribute $2K? Did he NOT take the title of his book from a Wright sermon?
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -1/+2No, the lie is you saying any of it is the least bit of an issue compared to McCain and his insane End-of-the-World anti-America anti-Christian cult leader, who you support because he supports the psycho Likudnik chickenhawks like you.
  • kds405, on 05/01/2008, -7/+11Who listens at church anyway? Obama was probably playing Gameboy.
  • pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -3/+6to be fair, hagee is not mccain's spiritual guide. rod parsley is:
    http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/200 ...
  • krnldmp, on 05/01/2008, -5/+7This whole bag of garbage with the reverends and pastors and ***** has been in the news too long. Who cares what these church freaks think.
    • twomeyw23334, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3Nobody, we care what Presidential candidates think, and if they think these church freaks are cool, thats worrisome.
      • 140Suffolk, on 05/01/2008, -2/+3Right you are. It's a way to find out what they REALLY believe. And we found out that Obama likes to listen to hate-America hate-whitey hate-Jews speeches. Everybody's got a hobby, you know?
        • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -4/+1You are spreading lies. Wright does not hate Jews, or whites. He is far more of a patriot than your chickenhawk ultra-Zionist traitor ass could ever comprehend. He is a decorated Marine, and leads a large HALF WHITE congregation. Wright is openly defended by the Catholic Church.

          Now try and aim your vitriol at Hagee, the cult leader you approve of because he wants to nuke Iran.
          • 140Suffolk, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5Did the US government invent AIDS to kill blacks? That's a call to violence as if you believe your government is trying to kill you then violence is justified. Do all former marines get a pass on anything they say for life?
          • neocognitism, on 05/01/2008, -3/+1Once I said Zionism wasn't a problem, but people give me a pass on that now when I turned out to be completely wrong.
  • Ne007, on 05/01/2008, -2/+7Meanwhile, as Americans bicker about religious nutj