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- rolf, on 11/10/2007, -5/+50Mike Gravel and Ron Paul are so different in some ways, but so close. They are both anti-war and they are both mistrustful of the government: Ron Paul wants to limit the government and thinks politicians are not competent enough to handle most of the decisions they make, therefore they should stay out of it and pass it on to the states or the people. Mike Gravel has the same idea but by giving the people legislative power via direct democracy.
What I like about Gravel is when he doesn't have to fight for attention, he is so personable. I wish both candidates would win their respective primaries (Kucinich wouldn't be bad either.)- vanadium77, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2I hope you mean 'distrustful'; 'mistrustful' would indicate they trust the government against reason.
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5mis·trust /mɪsˈtrʌst/ [mis-truhst]
–noun
1. lack of trust or confidence; distrust.
–verb (used with object)
2. to regard with mistrust, suspicion, or doubt; distrust.
3. to surmise.
–verb (used without object)
4. to be distrustful.- idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Oh, well. English never let logic stop it before.
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5mis·trust /mɪsˈtrʌst/ [mis-truhst]
- DesuKN, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8What I also like is that Gravel isn't a republican
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3wow, i'll admit that i've neglected gravel a bit in my presidential candidate research, but this guy seems like a good choice aside from his stance on income tax.
Mike Gravel on the issues:
http://ontheissues.org/mike_gravel.htm
On Abortion:
* Any abortion decision should remain between woman & doctor. (Apr 2007)
* Stem Cell research should not be limited. (Jun 2006)
On Budget & Economy:
* Make Office of Scientific Assessment to avoid cost overruns. (Jan 1972)
On Civil Rights:
* Racism still with us in the 21st century. (Jun 2007)
* Unequivocally supports same-sex marriage. (Feb 2007)
* Politicians use fear to manipulate us all. (Feb 2007)
* Calling critics or doubters un-American is anti-patriotic. (Aug 2006)
On Corporations:
* Purpose of economy is to meet people's needs, not business. (Jan 1972)
One Crime:
* If you don't have any money, you don't get any justice. (Jun 2007)
* Eliminate mandatory minimum sentencing laws. (May 2007)
* Citizen Power includes abolition of the death penalty. (Jan 2007)
On Drugs:
* Drugs are public health issue, not criminal issue. (Jun 2007)
* FactCheck: Only 40% of inmates are black; not 70% as claimed. (Jun 2007)
* War on drugs loses an entire generation to our prisons. (May 2007)
* Legalize the use and possession of marijuana. (Feb 2007)
On Education:
* US schools fail because we're yoked by military. (Feb 2007)
* Citizen Power includes school vouchers. (Jan 2007)
On Energy & Oil:
* I started the nuclear critique in this country. (Apr 2007)
On Environment:
* Make Global Warming a matter of national security. (Dec 2006)
* Immediately sign the Kyoto protocol. (Nov 2006)
On Family & Children:
[No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.]
On Foreign Policy:
* Need president with moral judgment; most don't have it. (Jun 2007)
* US has no important enemies, so treat world as equals. (Apr 2007)
* Bi-lateral plus multi-lateral talks with North Korea. (Aug 2006)
On Free Trade:
* Trade agreements only benefit shareholders. (Jun 2007)
On Government Reform:
* Institute health care reforms by people's National Initiative. (Mar 2007)
* I've got no money; of course I'm for campaign finance reform. (Feb 2007)
* You can be empowered to vote on issues that affect your life. (Feb 2007)
* Repeal the Electoral College; enact federal term limits. (Dec 2006)
* National Initiative to allow citizen law makers. (Nov 2006)
On Gun Control:
* Require license & training for gun ownership. (May 2007)
On Health Care:
* End subsidization of the insurance companies. (Jun 2007)
* Doctors do a lot of testing today to cover their backsides. (Mar 2007)
* Single-payer health care plan via vouchers you can add to. (Mar 2007)
* Real reform impossible under mercantile lobbying system. (Mar 2007)
* Reforming employer-based system keeps historical accident. (Mar 2007)
* Vouchers provide freedom of choice and perhaps public plan. (Mar 2007)
* President has role to energize people for preventive health. (Mar 2007)
* Phase out Medicare and Medicaid over time. (Mar 2007)
* Citizen Power includes universal health care. (Jan 2007)
On Homeland Security:
* Cut Pentagon by more than 15%; we're squandering money. (Jun 2007)
* FactCheck: Yes, Iraq money could fund 21M scholarships. (Jun 2007)
* Threatening nukes is immoral foreign policy. (Apr 2007)
* Fighting terrorism with a war doesn't work. (Apr 2007)
* US is the greatest violator of the non-proliferation treaty. (Apr 2007)
* Filibustered the draft in '71, causing its expiration in '73. (Jan 2007)
* Raze Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib prisons to the ground. (Dec 2006)
* Cut US nuclear arsenal from 10,000 to a couple hundred. (Nov 2006)
* War on terror will fail like war on drugs & war on poverty. (Nov 2006)
* Fight terrorism with dogged global police work. (Nov 2006)
* Remove power to declare war from Congress-they've abdicated. (Apr 2006)
* Fought & beat Nixon White House on Pentagon Papers in 1971. (Apr 2006)
* Bush administration's secrecy is worse than Nixon's. (Apr 2006)
* Cut military budget in half--we don't need such "readiness". (Jan 1972)
On Immigration:
* Illegal immigrants come here for jobs; don't deport them. (Jun 2006)
On Jobs:
* Citizens Wage: individuals share in nation's total affluence. (Jan 1972)
On Principles & Values:
* Did not plan on presidency, but candidates are frightening. (Apr 2007)
* Let the people decide: Solution is with you, not leaders. (Mar 2007)
* Achieved much in Senate, but prefers governors for president. (Feb 2007)
* US citizens should be allowed to vote for or against laws. (Feb 2007)
* Came in 3rd for Vice Presidential nomination in 1972. (Jan 2007)
* Has campaigned in NH almost fulltime since April 2006. (Jan 2007)
* Citizen Power: democracy requires participation. (Jan 1972)
On Social Security:
* Put real money in the Trust Fund & invest it properly. (Dec 2006)
* Let beneficiaries leave surplus funds to heirs. (Apr 2006)
On Tax Reform:
* Tax code is corrupt & serves the wealthy. (Jun 2007)
* Wipe out the income tax! -- it's regressive. (Feb 2007)
* National sales tax; no exceptions; prebates for essentials. (Feb 2007)
* Supports a national sales tax to replace IRS. (Jan 2007)
* Repeal the income tax and close down the IRS. (Dec 2006)
* Tax system unfairness only superceded by incomprehensibility. (Apr 2006)
* Less regressive tax on poor; more capital gains on rich. (Jan 1972)
On Technology:
* Empower Congress to make independent scientific conclusions. (Jan 1972)
On War & Peace:
* Iraq funds could build 4 million homes for Katrina victims. (Jun 2007)
* Soldiers in Iraq are dying in vain; so just get out. (Apr 2007)
* Iraq war was lost the day Bush invaded-make it illegal. (Apr 2007)
* 2008 election will be decided by how Democrats handle war. (Feb 2007)
* Bush can sign bill to end war, or he can believe in God. (Feb 2007)
* Anyone who voted for the war should not be president. (Feb 2007)
* Bring the troops home now. (Feb 2007)
* Stop nuclear proliferation: the Cold War is over. (Feb 2007)
* Immediate withdrawal from the war in Iraq. (Jan 2007)
* Commence an immediate and orderly withdrawal from Iraq. (Dec 2006)
* Election was mandate for peace but carnage continues for oil. (Dec 2006)
On Welfare & Poverty:
* Citizens Wage: $5000 income from feds to banish poverty. (Jan 1972)
* Workfare is morally repugnant; why not "wealthwork"? (Jan 1972)
and unlike Ron Paul ( http://ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm ), Mike Gravel:
-doesn't want to make Bush's tax cuts for the rich permanent
-didn't vote for $140B in new tax breaks for corporations
-didn't vote against net neutrality
-isn't against human stem cell research or its federal funding
-isn't against abortion/family planning
-didn't vote to ban gay adoptions
-doesn't support school prayers.
-isn't a proponent of the Christian Coalition
-doesn't want to get rid of the department of education
-isn't _against_ federally-funded vouchers for _low-income_ DC students while voting _in favor_ of vouchers for _private and religious_ schools.
-is in favor of campaign finance reform
-didn't vote against increasing minimum wage
-didn't vote against restricting employer interference with unions
-and isn't generally pro-(big) business - SouthsideIrish, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4And what I don't like about him is he still wants to take my money at the point of a gun. The man is nothing like Ron Paul.
- notque, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3And that's why many of us like him.
- LucidHawk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I like that he can get ***** done.
But my major problem with him is that he wants to institute a sort of mob rule.. well not that bad but blah..
I can't see the positives in the national initiative its for Federal laws.
People need be more active in states and more power to the states so we don't mess up the whole country together. I want the option of moving to a state that's not so dumb. I don't want to have to move to another country because of all this power mongering from the fed. The founders hated the idea of a democracy our nation was founded as a republic. Where the many cannot take away the fundamental rights of the few. A republic is more than just representative government it's also about our inalienable rights. Something George Bush clearly doesn't care about btw.
I can prove his health care plan is dangerous. And I don't like that he doesn't read much (he can't he is highly dyslexic).
- vanadium77, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2I hope you mean 'distrustful'; 'mistrustful' would indicate they trust the government against reason.
- nevergrowup, on 10/11/2007, -7/+63Jesus, Stephanpolous is an *****. I'm surprised both Ron Paul and Mike Gravel didn't smack that stupid smirk off his face, as if he was interviewing someone who thinks aliens killed JFK. Stephanopolous is a gatekeeper, a tool for the establishement. That is all.
- phenry50BMG, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13I agree. The perfect ending to both interviews would have had each candidate open hand bitch slap Georgie. I'm guessing he's the type that would just start crying.
- wm2010russ, on 10/11/2007, -7/+14seriously- in pauls interview with georgie, george told him "you arent going to win the election. i would bet every dollar and cent i had. what do you think of that?" george is such an ass
- JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8So hard, candid questions are only good if they are posed towards candidates you don't like? I wish more American politicians were questioned in such a manner. Regularly.
- wm2010russ, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3george didnt ask any hard questions- did you even look at the video? the "toughest" question he asked was a statement that neither gravel nor paul were going to win the election. if you want to see hard hitting journalism watch cavuto's or carlson's grilling of paul. george is an idiot journalist.
- ScottMaximus1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I would challenge his classification as a "journalist" rather than a "tool in a 5 piece suit"
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5It was the smirky way Steph* conducted himself, not the question.
- fritzbrown, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5IMO that's the point. Had GS treated both like serious candidates he would have been kissing their asses. Do you think GS would ever say "their's no way you're going to win" to Fred Thompson?
- wm2010russ, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3george didnt ask any hard questions- did you even look at the video? the "toughest" question he asked was a statement that neither gravel nor paul were going to win the election. if you want to see hard hitting journalism watch cavuto's or carlson's grilling of paul. george is an idiot journalist.
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I think Gravel handled it better than Paul.
- GabrielS, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Tool for the establishment? He's a Rhodes Scholar.
Oh wait. Nevermind. - EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4What?
You have problems living in reality?
Neither Gravel nor Paul has a snowballs chance in hell.
Paul would be an even greater disaster for this country than what Bush is, no thanks!
- fancypantscz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34This interview really hits at the core of why I support Gravel...
GS: The strategy you followed in the 1970’s did eventually end the war. You cut off funding. The war ended. But a lot of Democrats fear that the party paid a price and it kept them out of the White House for years.
MG: Well, George you just put your finger on it. What is more important, getting office or doing the morel thing and stopping people from dieing? I’ll tell you if that’s the sacrifice we gotta’ pay to stop these Americans from dieing and killing these Iraqis, I’ll pay that sacrifices every day of the week.
Its nice George shows this segment of the interview because television is often a promoter of false logic that justifies putting party before nation. Television would prefer that we participate in federal politics just like we consume the NFL; at home on our couches. We cheer for our favorite teams they place before us all season long. If 'our boys' have what it takes, we can faithfully cheer them all the way to a Super Bowl victory.
Federal Government is not the NFL. There are checks and balances provided by the constitution but the government as a whole is left to referee itself. It is not enough to passionately support a political party that is willing to win at any cost as we do a football team. Politicians can corrupt and destroy the government in an attempt to secure their own power just like the NFL would implode if there were no guarantee of independent referees.
Believe it or not, any government is reliant on people with a strong moral conscience. If we do not maintain a level of diligent criticism of our favored political party as they put their own empowerment before the welfare of the nation we are doomed to suffer the tyranny of our own neglect. Unlike being a loyal fan of an NFL team, maintaining a functioning democracy and protecting our freedoms require self-criticism, compromise, and real work. - sinizuh, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Oh, for a second there, I thought that was supposed to be with George Stroumboulopoulos, and I would have commented saying that the spelling was close enough.
- frikk, on 10/11/2007, -13/+1wait is "Stephanufalupagus" the guy's real name? I haven't read the article or watched the video yet (at work) - but I am having a hard time telling from comments whether this is a parody or not. When I read the name my mind tries to skip it and default to "Snuffalupagus"... hah
I want that name. - zapatar, on 10/11/2007, -4/+32Dug just for the making me laugh at "Stephanufalupagus"
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Nobody seems to have mentioned the obvious Sesame Street reference.
http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/1/1b/Snuffydonteat.jpg- nodonoug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6That's because you don't need to mention an implied reference...we all got it.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think you'd be surprised how many people didn't get PBS where they grew up.
- nodonoug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6That's because you don't need to mention an implied reference...we all got it.
- blitzman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0There's also George "Steponallofus".
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Nobody seems to have mentioned the obvious Sesame Street reference.
- pyrolyte, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34Gravel vs Paul in 2008!
- kingrooster, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20It'd be like voting for the greater of two goods! It's all backwards!
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9that would be quite the spectacle.
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9that would be quite the spectacle.
- EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3Yeah, I wonder which one 0f them will get the least votes in the primaries. My guess is Paul. Both of them occupying the bottom 2 places in their respective primaries.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2You would see record non-turnout on Election day!
5% of the population voting! - ktchpmn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I dislike Ron Paul because of his policies, but I would take him over any of the other republican candidates any day.
- kingrooster, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20It'd be like voting for the greater of two goods! It's all backwards!
- Jack9, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18I support Mike Gravel.
- rmeddy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5HEY Bird ,I need some smack, Bird
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Hey BIRD, I got the AIDS BIRD...
- Artie Lange - R.I.P.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Hey BIRD, I got the AIDS BIRD...
- ayeroxor, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4Names different from my own are fun to make fun of! Yay!
- grungemunky, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16We desperately need more people like Mike Gravel in our government.
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2video does not seem to be functioning, and alternative links?
- kinerry, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2SNuffaluffagus?
- doublegees, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10I hope that he becomes President, for his bluntness and honestly, plain and simple. If he does not, then PLEASE Mike Gravel fly north and become Canada's next Prime Minister!
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2North of Alaska?
- Ratm22, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Go Gravel!!
- tehpwnrate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14As much as I may not like a lot of his policies and ideas, I have to admit that he's an honest guy and seems to have the American spirit politicians--actually, make that representatives of the people--should have.
- Floobie, on 10/11/2007, -10/+9Gravel is the ONLY candidate worth voting for because he is a true leader with a track record to prove it. Ron Paul is just another politician. Watch interviews between Gravel and Paul side by side. There is no comparison.
- SouthsideIrish, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5So, when has Ron Paul voted for something that is against his principles? He is the only politician that has not sold himself out. Yes I disagree with him on some things, but at least I can understand why he voted the way I did. Gravel still will point his gun at me, and take my money against my will and use it for bs items.
- gulmargha, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1He would replace the income tax with a national sales tax. You would only pay if you buy certain types of items.
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1So only sticking a gun at people when they try and do some things :P
- gulmargha, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This "gun" you're talking about, it will *always* be there, so long as we cannot do everything ourselves. Anarchists and extreme libertarians say that we don't need the government for functions like keeping roads paved and trains running, but no matter what, we're going to have to pay someone to do it.
For example, no matter whether you have a private garbage company or a public one in your town, you're still paying for it, unless you yourself compact and compost your refuse.
Ron Paul's message is that he will devolve power back to the states for many things in order ot reduce the size and scope of Washington. How do states pay for things once Ron Paul starts taking apart crappy Federal institutions?
In education for example, without NCLB, in NY, you'll still have the New York Regents system. Don't think for a minute that taxes to support schools will just disappear when Ron Paul comes to power. Devolution means that the state government must now provide the functions that Washington was doing before. If DC is no longer paying for schools, then that burden is passed to the state government. While your federal tax is down, your local and state tax will go up to cover the deficit.
Under Ron Paul, in California, the CARB will replace the role of the EPA in that state, but that doesn't mean that a Californian will have no taxes, just less taxes.
The true benefit of devolution isn't in the loss of Federal taxes, its in the control that voters have over policy. It is easier to get CARB to raise air quality standards than it is for the EPA. It is easier to get the Regents to change education policy than the Federal Department of Education.
Gravel's answer is also in empowering the individual, but in a different way- instead of devolution of power, he suggests that the electorate of the US become the 4th branch of government, and offer a direct balance of power. Don't just dismiss his ideas, consider them. Even under a Ron Paul administration, where national government is limited, you could *still* have a role for people as the 4th branch of government. Gravel's proposal doesn't conflict with Ron Paul's, since it increases the power of the individual to effect change.
- gulmargha, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This "gun" you're talking about, it will *always* be there, so long as we cannot do everything ourselves. Anarchists and extreme libertarians say that we don't need the government for functions like keeping roads paved and trains running, but no matter what, we're going to have to pay someone to do it.
- 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1So only sticking a gun at people when they try and do some things :P
- gulmargha, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1He would replace the income tax with a national sales tax. You would only pay if you buy certain types of items.
- SouthsideIrish, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5So, when has Ron Paul voted for something that is against his principles? He is the only politician that has not sold himself out. Yes I disagree with him on some things, but at least I can understand why he voted the way I did. Gravel still will point his gun at me, and take my money against my will and use it for bs items.
- justinjstark, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Does anybody have a link to this that will actually work in adobe's flash player for linux?
- BrandonMills, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I had to digg you up from 0. You just got dugg down for a valid linux comment...on Digg.... Oh Digg, how far must ye fall from the Tech Gods before you realize that your political punditry will bear nothing but sour fruit?
- arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I'm voting for Gravel in the primary, and if he doesn't win the nomination, I'm writing him in at the general election.
- hppyfngy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I call him "George Standontopofthis." Heh, heh..
You know...Cuz he's short... heh heh.
Oh forget it. - OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"Stephanufalupagus" = dugg
- joonjoon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Gravel is awesome. It's good to have an election where there are candid, passionate patriots to support on both sides.
- pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9this clip just goes to show how the media pretty much pre-selects our candidates. they choose who to promote and cover, thus who we have to choose among. judging by the coverage, it will be a clinton/guliani election. god help us all.
- FREETHINKER2008, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I could not agree more, I for one will not let the media decide who the best candidate is. It is sad that so many people are behind Gullianni/McCain and Clinton/Obama, for no other reason than the media talks about them the most.
- dn11, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Mike Gravel - cast your vote for crazed senility
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8- kidcodea, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2you're an ass. no explosions so how could most americans digg it right?
WAKE DA ***** UP AND GET SOME SENSIBILITY IN THE PROCESS.
the world thanks.- dn11, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1i have no idea what the ***** you are talking about. i think you belong in Gravels ad - you're just as cryptic with just as little meaning or content.
dear "world": i didn't vote for Bush, I don't support the war, but Gravel is a lunatic.
- dn11, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1i have no idea what the ***** you are talking about. i think you belong in Gravels ad - you're just as cryptic with just as little meaning or content.
- kidcodea, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2you're an ass. no explosions so how could most americans digg it right?
- troymcdavis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1youtube link?
- Parthurs, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4If Americans don't vote for either Gravel or Paul your sheep.
- arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Paul is my sheep?
sorry, couln't resist.
- arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Paul is my sheep?
- kidcodea, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6gravel rox.
- Alpione, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0I can't stream video at work (you know, that thing you guys will do eventually when you get out of school?) Was Gravel able to complete a sentence without stuttering or spitting on himself? He came across in the last debate I watched as a yelling loon with just about zero in the way of public speaking abilities. That may be the furthest thing from the truth, but that's how my wife and I both saw him. Kind of like Ross Perot's crazy Veep candidate in '92...
- mikezerobot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What an asinine statement.
- diggerydood, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9George S. is a pompous, smug piece of crap.
- zenmasher, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2After years of Christian *****...Gravel makes me proud to be a Unitarian Universalist.
- sanman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I like George Stephanopolous -- he was willing to admit the what an ugly fake Bill Clinton was. That's the only reason why people here hate him, because they think Clinton is some sort of god, and wish death upon all heretics. Stephanopolous is the Clintonites' Trotsky.
- JinnRikki, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I like Mike (great bumper sticker!) but who ever told him that ridiculous campaign ad, where he stare at the camera for what seems like an eternity, was a good idea should be fired. The opposition will beat him to death with it. I'll vote for him in the primaries although I know the nominee has already been decided (Clinton). I want to vote for a democrat (won't even consider one of those bush clones running on the right) but I just can't support Hillary she's just to beholding to business and IMHO that's exactly why where so screwed today.
- majost, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Don't forget to register as a Democrat to vote in the primary election! Gravel has my vote!
- blackacre, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1unity08.com
I'd like to see a Gravel/Paul ticket. Even if their policies are quite different, it seems that they'd try to figure something out that actually works rather than just BS the public into oblivion. - Compared2What, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Mike Who. . . . . ?
- Alright, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Ron Paul's Army moves toward inevitable victory!
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