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- slythfox, on 11/28/2007, -10/+136It's unfortunately that many people are supporting those who they think will win, rather than who would best "serve" the United States.
In this way, the media is controlling the votes.- fractalman, on 11/28/2007, -3/+37Blame ESPN for promoting the winning team mentality. Americans want to identify with a winner, not a truther. Americans need to stop thinking in these terms and take an honest look at the candidates and select the candidate that most represents their desires. Until this happens, honest candidates will get pushed aside to make room for "Popular" candidates.
- thefandango, on 11/28/2007, -4/+21dugg up for blaming ESPN instead of fox, nbc, cbs, etc.
By the way did you see that highlight of Ron Paul dunking on Romney? no, because THEY ONLY COVER THE MAINSTREAM MAN!
/ lol- Tallon29, on 11/28/2007, -5/+6East coast bias!
- thefandango, on 11/28/2007, -4/+21dugg up for blaming ESPN instead of fox, nbc, cbs, etc.
- NikoKun, on 11/28/2007, -8/+4That sounded really familure... Isn't that how a dictator comes to power?
- Waterrat, on 11/28/2007, -3/+6 Yes it is...The media controls what we see,hear and read,and big business (the elite) controls the media.
If it's not good for big business,it WON'T be elected,now,or ever.
- Waterrat, on 11/28/2007, -3/+6 Yes it is...The media controls what we see,hear and read,and big business (the elite) controls the media.
- onetimer, on 11/28/2007, -4/+18I'm going to get dugg down for this, but shouldn't you be blaming those who are swayed by the media? The "media" isn't the one going into the booth on election day.
- WebWorker, on 11/28/2007, -9/+3How can you not blame the media? The fact is that people are enthralled by their televisions and are generally too lazy to switch channels after the Simpsons and Family Guy and are herded into the Fox News corral. There they are presented with "reality" after their trip into fantasy with cartoons, and wanting to be "smart and informed" they begin consuming the regurgitation and digesting it as "truth".
- onetimer, on 11/28/2007, -0/+11Again, that seems like it would be the fault of the viewers then. They are the ones who are tuning in after all.
- jcm267, on 11/28/2007, -6/+2Are you an American, WebWorker? The Simpsons and Family Guy are on the Fox Broadcasting Company and not Fox News. After the Sunday Night cartoon block there is the local news. Some stations are owned by Newscorp, but many many others are not. Newscorp doesn't treat the Fox Broadcasting Company in the same way that it treats the NY Post or Fox News. There really isn't a political agenda being pushed by the bosses at the Fox Network, as evidenced by their tolerance of the very shows in that cartoon block you mentioned. Even King of the Hill is pro-Democrat because they try to make Hank out to be the simple, good-natured, uneducated hick who blindly supports Republicans.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -3/+9The media is a HUGE part of the problem. Have you watched the debates? Gravel gets about 45 seconds to speak in each debate while they give Hillary 15 minutes. This is not democracy.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -8/+1easier than me hitting mute every time he speaks.
this guy is helping out the Republican Party. all he does is trash his own party.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -8/+1easier than me hitting mute every time he speaks.
- fractalman, on 11/28/2007, -0/+4To quote a great line from a movie, "A person is smart, people are dumb". The people are sheep and have been for decades. They have come to rely on the TV to tell them what to eat, what to were, what to drive, and this is the important one, what to think. Yes, blame the media, for guiding the people in the wrong direction. The people are in a trance, and they won't come out of it until someone awakens them. Wake Up America.
- ZachSka87, on 11/28/2007, -2/+2Well when the media says things like "You're not going to win, that's not gonna happen," to candidates like RP and MG, well, yeah. They are controlling the votes and contributing to the problem of Americans "Only supporting a winner and not a truther."
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -4/+2the media doesn't have to say it, i'll say it. they are not going to win. gravel is like the old guy standing in the street corner spewing out his grievances.
- WebWorker, on 11/28/2007, -9/+3How can you not blame the media? The fact is that people are enthralled by their televisions and are generally too lazy to switch channels after the Simpsons and Family Guy and are herded into the Fox News corral. There they are presented with "reality" after their trip into fantasy with cartoons, and wanting to be "smart and informed" they begin consuming the regurgitation and digesting it as "truth".
- rkettner, on 11/28/2007, -1/+9I like the message from Gravel, Kucinich, and Ron Paul... but HONESTLY, Mike Gravel is the only one of the three that just doesn't seem presidential at all. He may be thinking the right things, but his odd manner does seem a little crazy. It's great that he is there to keep the other candidates in line... but does anybody actually believe this man could run the country?
I DO believe that with Kucinich and Paul... but sorry (digg me down I suppose), but I just cannot see Gravel running the show.- doomcomplex, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2I'm with you. Gravel's right on just about everything, but he's also nutty as all hell.
- ScottoGato, on 11/28/2007, -0/+5He is the kind of bat-***** nuts that I like. He needs to be Kucinich's running mate. They would make a great team.
- mwalker05, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1agreed. one night while discussing politics with my friends (ok, so we may have been drunk) one of them says "im actually leaning towards hillary, i mean shes probably going to win anyway" the debate carried over into ihop, where i somehow found myself on the subject of why the us entered world war I..
- BoBbOrAzE, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1Dream Team? http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3711/dreamteam2 ... hahahaha
- fractalman, on 11/28/2007, -3/+37Blame ESPN for promoting the winning team mentality. Americans want to identify with a winner, not a truther. Americans need to stop thinking in these terms and take an honest look at the candidates and select the candidate that most represents their desires. Until this happens, honest candidates will get pushed aside to make room for "Popular" candidates.
- s35wf, on 11/28/2007, -40/+27cool video; i like mike gravel. too bad the've already outcasted him.
Vote Dr. Ron Paul 2008!- sutherbj, on 11/28/2007, -5/+16How does Mike Gravel being 'outcasted' have anything to do with Ron Paul?
- borninda818, on 11/28/2007, -5/+3Ron Paul and Mike Gravel are both rediculously sincere. Just that is enough reason to vote for him. However at this point Mike Gravel is a lost cause. I suggest he drop out and make a statement telling his supporters to vote for Paul, or maybe Kucinich if they are dead set at staying democrat.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -3/+1if he supports PR, there is no need for more proof of how insane Gravel is.
he's totally lost it.
fortunately I think its only in your mind.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -3/+1if he supports PR, there is no need for more proof of how insane Gravel is.
- mempko, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Because Ron Paul and Dennis do not go far enough in their thinking and policies to change this country like Mike Gravel can. Vote for the national initiative...a true progressive improvement to our government. Power to the People!
- borninda818, on 11/28/2007, -5/+3Ron Paul and Mike Gravel are both rediculously sincere. Just that is enough reason to vote for him. However at this point Mike Gravel is a lost cause. I suggest he drop out and make a statement telling his supporters to vote for Paul, or maybe Kucinich if they are dead set at staying democrat.
- Democritus2, on 11/28/2007, -14/+12Cause these people are being mislead into thinking Paul is some kind of answer. Paul smells like a fake from get go, I trust him none.
Would the real Dr. Ron Paul please stand up?
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2003/tst122903.ht ...
Libertarian my ass, Certainly has voted for big business enough. Tends to vote down on civil rights too. Like Gay marriages/civil unions.
I gotta give it up for the people running his campaign though- brilliant form of marketing. Make the disenchanted think they have a hero.
Dugg down for Paul reference. Paul is not the answer- no one man is. - idhindsight, on 11/28/2007, -3/+9Buried for the goddamn Ron Paul spam. Cut it the ***** out already.
- keithburgun, on 11/28/2007, -2/+4Thing is, Ron Paul and Mike Gravel are VERY VERY different policy wise (Example, Gravel wants full national healthcare, Paul wants to dramatically reduce size of gov't) Both are good but it's not like "Oh, Well I can't vote for Gravel anymore cuz CNN said I can't" for one, and secondly even if that were true Paul is not a replacement.
- sutherbj, on 11/28/2007, -5/+16How does Mike Gravel being 'outcasted' have anything to do with Ron Paul?
- TheTaoOfBill, on 11/28/2007, -32/+11I'm sorry but Gravel is just whining at this point. There are other candidates who spoke openly and honestly like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. The difference is Gravel does not have a presidential personality and because of that he wasn't able to get enough support. It's that simple. Gravel has the personality of an old man yelling at all the young kids to stop skateboarding on the sidewalks. There is no chance in hell he would have won a general election with that kind of personality where as Kucinich and Paul at least have a fighting chance if they can just get the nomination.
- thirdoffive, on 11/28/2007, -6/+40>>There is no chance in hell he would have won a general election with that kind of personality
I wish more voters in the US would just lighten the hell up. I'm voting for Paul in the primaries but I'd vote for Gravel in a heart beat if he made it to the general election and Paul didn't.
The mentality most voters have of accepting corrupt thugs like Hillary and Rudy but being deeply offended by anything less than stoicism is just ass backwards in every way.
The masses left Dean over a yelp and picked Frankenstein's Monster errr... Kerry instead. That worked out great didn't it...- yabooyah, on 11/28/2007, -6/+2Gotta say, amen brother.
Namaste' - TheTaoOfBill, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Character is very important for a guy who (if he is doing his job right) should be meeting with leaders from all over the world. He has to be able to come off as a cool guy to talk to. Not someone who goes on an angry rant and insults everyone in the room.
- yabooyah, on 11/28/2007, -6/+2Gotta say, amen brother.
- ClosedCaption, on 11/28/2007, -2/+6What does "Presidential Personality" have to do with allowing Gravel into a debate? Anyone running for President should be allowed to participate not just the ones the media tells us are "front runners" or "top tier canidates". Sad day when someone is banned from debating because of their personality. Thats what got us GW Bush, the media asking "Who would you rather have a beer with?" type of *****
- capiCrimm, on 11/28/2007, -3/+2you have to admit GW would be one bad ass drinking buddy. I'm pretty sure he's got a stash too.
- thirdoffive, on 11/28/2007, -6/+40>>There is no chance in hell he would have won a general election with that kind of personality
- yabooyah, on 11/28/2007, -17/+6Ummm...wowza! The last video I saw from Mike was "Rock". This one...umm...really does rock (rock?)...groove, yea, groooooove. Might say it's "groovy". Certainly kicks Rappin' Granny's azz. (Sorry Gran.)
Sorry that we suck so, Mike. Thanks for caring so much and trying so hard. Really. I weep that we forsake you. Weep for you and us. Bottom of my heart. Namaste'
ps: Gravelheads, assuming you place a premium on truth and integrity (that's why I would vote for Mike) you will, of course, have to join us in the Ron Paul camp and, well...tick tock and all. I understand though. No hurry, we'll be aight. I guess. I hope. Mostly hope. Just sayin' the door's open. Just sayin....- NightVortez, on 11/28/2007, -5/+5Rock was awesome, one of the most creative videos created by a politician.
- coheedcollapse, on 11/28/2007, -3/+5I'm sorry, but while I agree with a lot of Ron Paul's views and his sweeping idea on the integrity of the constitution, he disagrees on way too many issues that are important to me. If it comes down to him and some Democrat that I hate, I'll vote for him.
- x083, on 11/28/2007, -11/+34we need him more active in the debates to demonize hillary and obama for the true CFR globalist scum that they are.
- fractalman, on 11/28/2007, -3/+13Do what Ron Paul's supports did, e-mail the hell out of CNN and the rest of the MSM to have him included. If you don't take time to address the things that are wrong, nothing will ever get corrected. If you don't demand that they include him, they won't. Mike can't do this all by himself. Gravel supporters need to grab their keyboards, and tell the MSM how it is.
- Eleo, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3That's what we did.
- fractalman, on 11/28/2007, -4/+3Then there must not be that much support for Mike Gravel. The truth hurts. Go ahead and digg me down, it will make you feel better. I don't mind.
- Eleo, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3That's what we did.
- Anzat, on 11/28/2007, -8/+2***** you, you mindless conspiracy theorist douchebag.
Obama '08! - fuzzmeister, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Provide me with evidence that Obama is "globalist", and Gravel isn't.
- fractalman, on 11/28/2007, -3/+13Do what Ron Paul's supports did, e-mail the hell out of CNN and the rest of the MSM to have him included. If you don't take time to address the things that are wrong, nothing will ever get corrected. If you don't demand that they include him, they won't. Mike can't do this all by himself. Gravel supporters need to grab their keyboards, and tell the MSM how it is.
- mt066, on 11/28/2007, -12/+13Look, just because he wasn't able to generate enough of a following on his own isn't the media's fault. It's up to the candidates to do that. It's not the media's job to coddle every failing campaign out there. It's always mildly depressing to see a candidate slowly left behind in the race, but let's call a spade a spade: He isn't "being censored for being too honest," he's being left behind because he couldn't get the following that he needed to be a contender.
- PeppermintPig, on 11/28/2007, -3/+4People do need to help their candidates, but the media can be blamed for polling name recognition and then deliberately leaving out candidates solely based on that. Better to poll issues.
What I dislike the most, however, is the spin the media puts on during and after the debates. This should be more objective, but I don't expect objectivity from people with an agenda.- mt066, on 11/28/2007, -3/+4Oh yeah this is digg, so some vague accusations of bias should suffice. It doesn't seem like any candidate ever loses an election through fault of his own.
- mwalker05, on 11/28/2007, -1/+4whats wrong with you. the man is running for president. clearly he is a serious contender or he would never have made it this far. have you ever even watched a debate? they pander to the big names, giving them tons of air time, then they toss a pointless question, or a question that they thing will stump or hurt to one of these "hopeless chance" candidates like ron paul, dennis kucinich, mike huckabee, et al. (cant remember all the names but pretty much anybody other than romney, giuliani, mccain, hillary, obama, and edwards) if all candidates got an equal amount of time, or even, you know, debated with one another, we would all be better off.
- mt066, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1"....can't remember the names...."
Exactly.
- mt066, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1"....can't remember the names...."
- PeppermintPig, on 11/28/2007, -3/+4People do need to help their candidates, but the media can be blamed for polling name recognition and then deliberately leaving out candidates solely based on that. Better to poll issues.
- fractalman, on 11/28/2007, -12/+17Kucinich should have chosen Mike as a potential running mate instead of Ron Paul. It would have made a lot more sense than his announcement to choose Ron Paul. Ron Paul is not in this race for a VP position. He is in it to win. My best wishes to Mike Gravel.
- jcm267, on 11/28/2007, -9/+31) I thought Kucinich said he would be willing to be Ron Paul's VP
2) None of these candidates have a chance, so why worry about who their VP would be? - 01l0, on 11/28/2007, -1/+15Kucinich didn't "chose" Ron Paul. He said he wouldn't rule it out.
- fuzzmeister, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3Also, Gravel is in the same party Kucinich is in, which removes the near complete idealogical polarity Paul and Kucinich have on many issues (something which makes a partnership between them laughable).
- TheTaoOfBill, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3I really don't see what's wrong with them teaming up. On the issues that really matter like the destruction of our civil rights and our wars overseas they are one in a kind. And you guys act like the vice president really has all that much power. If you go by strict constitutionality the VP really doesn't have much power at all. I think a Ron Paul/Kucinich ticket would be great to finally getting an effort for bipartisanship in the white house.
He wouldn't be the first president to have a polar opposite as a VP. In fact it used to be that the runner up of an election would be the VP.
- jcm267, on 11/28/2007, -9/+31) I thought Kucinich said he would be willing to be Ron Paul's VP
- mooseontheloose, on 11/28/2007, -19/+99This is what he wants to say...
America 1967 vs. School 2007
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1967 - Vice principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his own shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lockdown, the FBI is called, and Jack is hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors are called in to assist traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1967 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police are called; SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. They are charged with assault and both are expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.
1967 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra state funding because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. & nbsp;Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some Aspirin to school.
1967 - Mark shares Aspirin with the school principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug violations. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails high-school English.
1967 - Pedro goes to summer school, p asses English, and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. US Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover Independence Day firecrackers, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1967 - Ants die.
2007 - Homeland Security and the FBI are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1967 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in a federal prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.- oslointhesummer, on 11/28/2007, -13/+15As biased as this list is, it's still at least half-true...and that's still sad.
- Solis, on 11/28/2007, -4/+14Where's the bias?
- Toshibi, on 11/28/2007, -8/+7Too bad you're getting dugg down because that all seems sorta true these days. But you know, you didn't have to go all the way back to 67. Things were like that in 87 too.
Could be that it's completely irrelevant to the article though.- rarson, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2Are you kidding me? The late 80's is when everyone started to freak out. That's when people decided to go crazy with the "war on drugs" and DARE and all that other brainwashing crap. 1987 was a stepping stone between '67 and '07.
- demonsnake69, on 11/28/2007, -10/+5I understand the point you're trying to make here, but I really don't agree with Jeffrey and Billy being beaten as punishment. There's "old school" and then there's "***** school" -- hitting on kids whenever they ***** up qualifies as the latter.
- Lythium, on 11/28/2007, -4/+9Don't tell me you've never seen a kid who deserves to have his ass whipped. There's a world of difference between child abuse and corporal disciplinary measures.
- aeoo, on 11/28/2007, -2/+4Ass whipping may be deserved, but it's best left to parents and/or peers. The school officials have no business in ass whipping.
- rarson, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2It's rather funny, I grew up getting my ass beat, and it seems like those of us who've grown up with it and seen the next generation grow up without it actually seem to favor it. You'd think we'd grow up to be the "traumatized kids" that society thinks we should be, but we didn't. So while I understand that yelling at a small child is never productive, I often see kids behaving so badly that I would agree a spanking would be in order.
- Lythium, on 11/28/2007, -4/+9Don't tell me you've never seen a kid who deserves to have his ass whipped. There's a world of difference between child abuse and corporal disciplinary measures.
- Khendroc, on 11/28/2007, -8/+3Scenario #1: You missed the part where he has a trial and the jury, which also lives in the same podunk hunting town as Jack, acquits him. Mind you, this is for having the shotgun in a rack in the car. If he took it off the rack to compare it to the vice-principal's, well ***** them both. There are many better locations to compare weaponry.
Scenario #2: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight. Since the police and teachers don't show up, the one winning (let's say Mark) starts really wailing on Johnny, who ends up in the hospital with broken ribs, a punctured lung, two black eyes, etc. If you think this is an exaggeration, wake the ***** up. If it was a fight in the city, it wouldn't even get that ***** far. One of those kids would be dead or seriously injured within a matter of minutes, especially if you're ***** allowed to bring guns onto school grounds like you say.
The rest are just too difficult to explain briefly, but it's clear you've never been to an inner city school, or even a suburban school that wasn't in an affluent neighborhood. All of the situations you've listed as cut and dry are so far from that it's ridiculous.
And FYI, if Billy in scenario #4 was on the right path to becoming a businessman before his dad decided not to whip him, then I have strong doubts as to the presence of a GANG in his neighborhood. Also, what about the men who do beat and abuse their children and spouses? "Let's let it happen, just in case one of those kids grows up to be somewhat successful."
In short, read stuff. God damn it. How the ***** can people be so ignorant with internet access?- republicker, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3You didn't happen to hear something whiz over the top of your head, did you?
- BTime, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3"How the ***** can people be so ignorant with internet access?"
Hasn't stopped you now has it?- BoBbOrAzE, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1YES! ^^
- slenderdog, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1pussy
- VictoryGin, on 11/28/2007, -1/+7while i like the comparison... you should have named it "best case scenario America 1967 vs worst case scenario America 2007"
for example:"Scenario: Pedro fails high-school English"... i didn't realize any one who takes summer school automatically passes the subject. he could have still failed. Also, most people didn't go to college back then, especially people who barely graduated high school. - DrLZRDMN, on 11/29/2007, -2/+2Why are you posting things that your mother get in her email
FW: FW: RE: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: FW: America: then and now (Funny! list) - ricquejon, on 01/04/2008, -0/+1right on! In HP's founder the late David Packard's book, "The HP Way", he relates stories how one of his childhood hobbies was making pipe bombs. If he were born more recently he'd be in Guantanamo and Silicon Valley (if it were to exist) would have a different birthplace...
Not "The Garage".
- oslointhesummer, on 11/28/2007, -13/+15As biased as this list is, it's still at least half-true...and that's still sad.
- onesidedsquare, on 11/28/2007, -10/+5ugh...this is rediculess....they should NOT be cutting ANY ONE out of the debates!
the primaries haven't even started yet!
-drtfa- arcooke, on 11/28/2007, -2/+3ridiculous*
- Tallon29, on 11/28/2007, -1/+7http://www.r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s.com/
- Anzat, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Yeah, dammit, I should be up on that debate stage too! THE FASCISTS!!! How dare they try to give some speaking time to whomever's going to actually be the next President. Why would we want to know what that person thinks?
- Akronos, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Did you guys bury him just because he misspelled one word?
- meshgiath, on 11/28/2007, -1/+5Direct Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S2zkh6ZOGE
- slashbot, on 11/28/2007, -15/+10Gravel lost it with his weird non-talking campaign video.
Seriously, this guy is going nowhere. His support has all gone to Kucinich- kidcodea, on 11/28/2007, -2/+4you want him talking? get on youtube and search his name. PLENTY of good info and talk there. From google camp to interviews, you have it all.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -3/+1I guess the point of his video flew over your head.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -2/+2it's stupid and he'll regret it eventually.
- rkettner, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2I know you are getting dugg down, and I probably will to... but I agree with you. Gravel is a little too weird to be presidential. I fully support the message... and also support Kucinich and Paul (though some of their ideas conflict)... but Gravel just isn't president material IMO.
- d03boy, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2"Presidential material" is exactly what we DON'T need.
- starkruzr, on 11/28/2007, -4/+2This is the first time I've ever seen you say something I agree with.
Gravel alternated between being just sounding plain unprofessional and sounding like a senile grandfather in the debates. I'm glad he's not around to embarrass the Democratic Party anymore.
- kidcodea, on 11/28/2007, -4/+2this is even better http://youtube.com/watch?v=pw9oJgf4UTc :D
GRAVEL FTW!- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1haha nice
- wolfie8914, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2That was freakin' weird.
- coheedcollapse, on 11/28/2007, -3/+14I hate the fact that anyone worth voting for never has a chance in hell because only liars and cheats get the general (read: Stupid) population to trust them enough to vote on them before they get into office and ***** all over us.
- PeppermintPig, on 11/28/2007, -5/+2If you're the kind of person who doesn't care about the issues very much, or perhaps that's another way of saying you don't follow politics (??), well, please, do everybody else a favor and stay home on election day. I'm not trying to be spiteful or trying to come down on the 'duty' which is voting, but honestly, if you put little emphasis on researching the candidates on your own time, then you may fall into a margin of error in which you are incapable of picking the candidate that best reflects your values, and that lack of effort will reflect when you pull the lever.
If you are unhappy with things as they are, picking the 'popular' candidate brings with it the high likelihood that you will get more of the same displeasure.- libertao, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3No need to do any research, Pat Robertson told me to vote for Giuliani--I assume he must be a very good Christian!
- PeppermintPig, on 11/28/2007, -5/+2If you're the kind of person who doesn't care about the issues very much, or perhaps that's another way of saying you don't follow politics (??), well, please, do everybody else a favor and stay home on election day. I'm not trying to be spiteful or trying to come down on the 'duty' which is voting, but honestly, if you put little emphasis on researching the candidates on your own time, then you may fall into a margin of error in which you are incapable of picking the candidate that best reflects your values, and that lack of effort will reflect when you pull the lever.
- Micoderre, on 11/28/2007, -14/+3One more Ron Paul or Mike Gravel story and I'm off of Digg for good. I'm all for notable stories regarding those two, but outright front-page campaigning is getting tiresome.
Digg programmers, please add a "No Ron Paul or Mike Gravel" viewing option.- SCThornley, on 11/28/2007, -3/+2Where F**K else are you gonna see this--STFU
- 01l0, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1***** OR GTFO
- WebWorker, on 11/28/2007, -2/+9Dude... here's a website you can go to instead http://www.foxnews.com/
- vade79, on 11/28/2007, -2/+3All these people speaking their minds about things, this open forum ***** MUST stop.
- rarson, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1No one is forcing you to click on, read, or even comment on, any of these stories. I suggest that if it's too hard for you to make yourself not click on them, then you should indeed leave.
- soot, on 11/28/2007, -4/+26He shouldn't be banned from the debates.
- offput, on 11/28/2007, -4/+5He's not banned from the debates. Only people polling above 1% get invited to the debates and his polling numbers are below that. Just because a bunch of geeks on a website think he's the ***** doesn't mean he'll incite the same frenzy in the voting populace. Deal with it or give up on democracy.
- pintomp3, on 11/28/2007, -1/+7and if you only give him a couple minutes to speak during the debates and never give him as much coverage as you do the corporate candidates, of course he won't get above 1%. self fulfilling prophesy.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -4/+3then demand attention. he cannot do that. there is no presence. he slouches. talks in dribbles.
and complain complain complain.
there are candidates that can talk eloquently, command attention, stand straight with strength, and basic good debate and public speaking skills.
gravel has none.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -4/+3then demand attention. he cannot do that. there is no presence. he slouches. talks in dribbles.
- republicker, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Irony?
- pintomp3, on 11/28/2007, -1/+7and if you only give him a couple minutes to speak during the debates and never give him as much coverage as you do the corporate candidates, of course he won't get above 1%. self fulfilling prophesy.
- offput, on 11/28/2007, -4/+5He's not banned from the debates. Only people polling above 1% get invited to the debates and his polling numbers are below that. Just because a bunch of geeks on a website think he's the ***** doesn't mean he'll incite the same frenzy in the voting populace. Deal with it or give up on democracy.
- Fallout911, on 11/28/2007, -4/+9I am a die hard Gravel supporter and will be one till the elections are over.
I will not "concede" because the media tells me to.
Oh and you can help Mike get part of his agenda passed without him winning.
It's the National Initiative for Democracy. www.ni4d.us
Pretty much gives the power back to the people from the corrupt politicians and corporations.
Also those that are for Paul should consider adopting some of Gravel's ideas or maybe emailing Paul's campaign about Mike for a possible position in his government in case Paul wins.- nakani, on 11/28/2007, -3/+2in his administration* (it's OUR government :)
- gdungan, on 11/28/2007, -11/+7he was not allowed to participate in the last debate because he didn't meet a monetary requirement...it has nothing to do with him speaking the truth. Stupid sensationalist description.
- Eleo, on 11/28/2007, -4/+13"Monetary requirement". Why should that be important?
- Waterrat, on 11/28/2007, -3/+7 Because only thee wealthy matter in this country.
- mt066, on 11/28/2007, -6/+2because it is a requirement for the debate.
- kidcodea, on 11/28/2007, -2/+6if you knew the whole story you wouldnt do such an ignorant comment.
and btw that monetary demand is a last minute excuse. - nakani, on 11/28/2007, -2/+5It's kind of hard to get funding for your campaign when you're telling the truth (i.e. not selling out to corporate lobbyists to get financed)
- pintomp3, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3the monetary index is sign of how much corporate influence and corruption a candidate represents. by your logic, hillary and rudy are the best candidates.
- Eleo, on 11/28/2007, -4/+13"Monetary requirement". Why should that be important?
- SCThornley, on 11/28/2007, -9/+14I thought about RP but thought twice when I realized what a scary fella he really is, I looked at Gravel and started to wonder more, this sealed it
I've voted republican in almost every election until GW was re-elected, then I started writing my own name in, Now I'm gonna vote for Gravel- rarson, on 11/28/2007, -0/+6So you voted for Bush the first time around?
- greevar, on 11/28/2007, -1/+7If the public treated the election of a government office like hiring an employee, they would be looking for the most qualified and not the name everyone knows. That's like hiring Johnny Depp as Centers for Disease Control head because he's famous.
- MikeFallopian, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Are you saying Captain Jack Sparrow couldn't kick the ***** out of a few diseases?
- nakani, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1You know that we pay government officials with our tax money, right? They ARE our employees.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1I think that was his point...
- fredJdukes, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1go try and fire one, see how far that gets you
- thentro, on 11/28/2007, -10/+4Why can't I get on the Dem debates? Because I am not a serious candidate. Why cant Gravel get on the Debates? Its teh conspiracy!!!
- depro9, on 11/28/2007, -2/+7Mike Gravel is a badass.
http://simplemission.typepad.com/photos/uncategori ...- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -4/+0you said "bad" but I think you mean "dumb"
- eliah, on 11/28/2007, -7/+3Alright, I might be missing something, but it seems like at least part of the reason Gravel isn't taken seriously is that he's completely unelectable. The same points that make people like us love him will keep swing voters from electing him should he take the Democratic nomination, which means nominating Gravel ensures a Republican president. Do we want that?
That said, I agree that it's stupid to bar him from debates.- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3You know he has been elected to office before right? And he stopped the draft and ended the Vietnam war? That sounds like a guy I would elect, since you know, we need to end the war and prevent the draft from being reinstated. I can't think of anyone that has a better record that's more relevant today.
But yeah keep thinking he's some unelectable crazy old man, vote Hillary, and start building your bomb shelter for WW3.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -1/+3You know he has been elected to office before right? And he stopped the draft and ended the Vietnam war? That sounds like a guy I would elect, since you know, we need to end the war and prevent the draft from being reinstated. I can't think of anyone that has a better record that's more relevant today.
- demonsnake69, on 11/28/2007, -1/+19I don't agree with Mike Gravel, but at least he speaks his mind and cuts through all the political *****.
- pintomp3, on 11/28/2007, -0/+5he'd dead on about most of his points, but his style of speaking doesn't go over well in the pretend debates hosted on the corporate media. if there was one thing i wish everyone would take away from listening to him, it's "follow the money".
- senorcool, on 11/28/2007, -7/+7I like the ideas the Gravel puts forth but he always just seems crazy and senile. This video didn't help his case.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2He's not senile. He's trying to make a point. I guess some people don't get it. I love his videos but you actually have to stop and use your brain to think about the meaning for a couple of seconds. That's probably why people don't understand him.
- Anzat, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1No, you really don't. His message is very straightforward. He hates the other candidates. OK, we get it. That's a legitimate position for a ranting old man, but it's not really a platform for a candidate. That's the problem with him.
I agree that he's not senile. He's just an angry old fart who doesn't care what anyone else thinks and enjoys getting some attention. Good for him. That doesn't make him senile, but it does mean he's not a useful contributor to the debate, let alone a good candidate. - senorcool, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1Are you serious? You need to use your brain to understand what he's saying?? He repeats the same thing over and over and it looks like it's aimed at middle schoolers with ADD. He is just saying incredibly cliche things that are wrong with this country.
- kidcodea, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1by notvoting on him, YOU make them cliche...
- senorcool, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1that didn't really make sense...
- kidcodea, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1by notvoting on him, YOU make them cliche...
- Anzat, on 11/28/2007, -1/+1No, you really don't. His message is very straightforward. He hates the other candidates. OK, we get it. That's a legitimate position for a ranting old man, but it's not really a platform for a candidate. That's the problem with him.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2He's not senile. He's trying to make a point. I guess some people don't get it. I love his videos but you actually have to stop and use your brain to think about the meaning for a couple of seconds. That's probably why people don't understand him.
- kjizzle, on 11/28/2007, -4/+8As if your opinions mattered. All hail king Giuliani.
- Damian91, on 11/28/2007, -3/+2This just really crushes me...
- ThinkFr33ly, on 11/28/2007, -9/+8What a bunch of *****. He wasn't "banned" from anything. The major networks have had rules in place since before Gravel even announced his candidacy. One of these rules is that you must be able to raise $1 million. Gravel is the only candidate who can't seem to do that.
So stop making ***** up simply because your candidate is a nut job that only has 4 supporters, including his family members.- pintomp3, on 11/28/2007, -2/+3why is that rule in place? a candidate isn't worthy unless he can't muster up tons of corporate and lobbyist money? the biggest sellout = the best candidate?
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -2/+2WHY are only millionaires allowed to be president???? ***** this system! This is not democracy!
- bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -2/+3raise a million
- mt066, on 11/28/2007, -4/+1Yes you little bleeding hearts: in real life, money DOES matter.
Plus, maybe it was a polite way of saying: "You poll way too low for us to waste valuable time on your opinions" - mwalker05, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2you think its fair that you have to be a multi millionaire to be president? a position that any natural us citizen over the age of 35 can hold? cnn was just looking for a way to cut gravel, and this was it.
- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1You are nuts.
You don't have to HAVE a million, you should RAISE a million.... an indication that your campaign has some support.
The major campaigns have raised 100 million. Ron Paul raised 5 million in 1 day.
If people are not willing to donate to your campaign, it is an indication that you have no support.
As the person above stated.... these rules were in place LOOOONG before Gravel got "banned".
- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1You are nuts.
- thentro, on 11/28/2007, -2/+4Ug, he said RAISE 1 Million not own 1 Million you idiots. He was on several debates, has a web page, got interviews, and month after month no one thought his campaign was worth enough to give him money to make it run. That means he failed. That means he does not have a support base. That meas no more TV time for you. Bye.
- kidcodea, on 11/29/2007, -0/+1lol
- wellstone, on 11/28/2007, -3/+4Look Its not over yet.... If we want this guy to take a stand for us we have to Stand up and shout it... we have to organize and we have to do it now....
http://groups.google.com/group/presidentgravel08
Lets make it happen now.- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -1/+0Can you tell me.... why would any Democrat support Gravel and not Obama or Edwards?
What will Gravel do differently, and is it worth voting for someone who, even if selected, will almost certainly lose in the general election?
- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -1/+0Can you tell me.... why would any Democrat support Gravel and not Obama or Edwards?
- oldhick, on 11/28/2007, -4/+3What???? The Dems, our saviors, the party of peace and prosperity and everything thats right in the world pulled a fascist stunt reminiscent of the neocon warlords by banning Gravel from debates? Wow, who would have thought that the Dems suck just as much as the Repubs? Oh yeah, anyone with their head not up their ass.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -2/+0Go back to your den and smoke some more crack
- oldhick, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Not a big fan of the crack. But I will go hit the peace pipe for you this evening.
- Chunken, on 11/28/2007, -2/+0Go back to your den and smoke some more crack
- Noiremorte, on 11/28/2007, -2/+17I like Gravel as well, but I like Kucinich more. It's a shame to see corporate America take over the debates the way they are. Every major candidate should have equal time. To be quite honest.... If someone like Paul, Kucinich or Gravel doesn't get elected, I think it's time for a revolution. ^_^
- BoBbOrAzE, on 11/29/2007, -0/+2DREAM TEAM!! http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3711/dreamteam2 ...
- jonmlm, on 11/28/2007, -4/+2checked out gravel2008.us per your command. um, it sucks. and it's not even done yet? its almost december , get in gear.
- Khendroc, on 11/28/2007, -5/+2Tbh I think the reason Gravel got shut out was for all those weird ass videos.
- ZenFountain, on 11/28/2007, -6/+7Did anyone actually follow the Gravel campaign? He raised less then $200,000 and held under 20 campaign events, i.e. he was not even campaigning. When he was a guest on Real Time his giant note card, which was a sheet of paper folded in half, fell out of his jacket. He has nothing interesting to say about policies besides yelling at the other candidates and trying to make a scene. The primary "debates" are a terrible format anyway, he was invited to the first 10 (?) or so and saw his polling rise from 0% to 0% and his campaign contributes rise from zero to barely enough for an Amtrak ticket. Sorry, but you have to start narrowing the field as this point in the game.
- mwalker05, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2its hard to change people opinions of you when you only get 1 minute out of 3 hours. watch gravel's alternative debate, in which he breaks down all the democratic candidates in real time during the last debate in october. then come and let me know what you think of him.
- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1Or, instead of relying on the debate to get him attention, he could go out and campaign and gain support for his position.
Of course he isn't "really" running for president, so he won't do that... and he is crazy so no one will vote for him.
So we have reached the correct conclusion: he has no chance in hell, and doesn't belong in the debates. - jonmlm, on 11/29/2007, -1/+1anyone on youtube can have an alternative debate and break down all the other candidates, point is, that doesn't make a candidate.
- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1Or, instead of relying on the debate to get him attention, he could go out and campaign and gain support for his position.
- mwalker05, on 11/28/2007, -1/+2its hard to change people opinions of you when you only get 1 minute out of 3 hours. watch gravel's alternative debate, in which he breaks down all the democratic candidates in real time during the last debate in october. then come and let me know what you think of him.
- GrooveStix, on 11/28/2007, -1/+4Let this man talk, dammit!
- brownr21, on 11/28/2007, -9/+1This guy is definitely NOT the coolest candidate. Obama is black, nuff said.
- jcm267, on 11/28/2007, -3/+7Go away, racist.
- slenderdog, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1sho nuff homes
- spyd3rweb, on 11/28/2007, -5/+2PaulGravel '08 and '12
- keithburgun, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3I'm voting for Gravel
- dustinhansen, on 11/28/2007, -6/+4Obama FTW
- mwalker05, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1you know how when people win the lottery they say "im going to disney world" or "im going to buy a huge house" or "im going to invest and live off the interest" well, i would run for president, since thats about the only way a normal citizen would ever be able to do it.
- Stryder81, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1I do enjoy Gravel and wouldn't mind him as president but people have to also know this detail. Gravel in every debate talks to people like they are stupid ( I definitely don't have a problem with that when alot do deserve that way of talking down to )
Aside from support, that I think is the 1 main thing that holds him back, not anything else.
The difference between Gravel and Paul ( aside from Republican standards and Democrat standards ) is that Paul is very articulate, he knows exactly word for word what something says and how it plays out or how to go about it. Gravel says " Stop and think for a minute, " then goes onto break something down where the viewer will end up feeling dumb as dog ***** ( because they are ). - bacon_skoda, on 11/28/2007, -7/+2will the republicans stop supporting Gravel and democrats stop supporting Paul?
their only reason of existence is to destroy their own party. - Anzat, on 11/28/2007, -2/+1This is where Gravel belongs... ranting on YouTube. He's good at that. Being President, not so much.
- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -0/+0Well said.
- tehbored, on 11/28/2007, -0/+2I think Dennis Kucinich would make a better candidate and he's polling fourth! It's too bad Mike Gravel wasn't able to raise enough money but I prefer Kucinich anyway.
- snkscore, on 11/28/2007, -4/+0Here is the deal....
If you aren't going to go out and campaign, and (remember this is the important part) ... get support from people, then you don't belong in ANY debates, you don't even belong on digg.
Let's put it this way.... depending on which poll you look at Gravel either has 0% or 1% support among Democrats with a Margin of Error of 1-3%.
Which means that Mike Gravel has statistically the same number of supporters as I do: none.
It isn't the job of the debates to put on insane crackpots who have no support, in the hopes that the debates GET THEM support. They should be out campaigning FIRST, to show they have a shot in hell, and then they will be included. - PresRob, on 11/28/2007, -0/+5I have been surprised that the two guys I am most likely to vote for are also the two oldest in the race, Gravel and Paul. Unfortunately, It looks like MG will not get even the chance that Paul is getting. Both guys have basically the same messages (though I agree more with MG) and yet, the Democrats seem determined to push a candiate made to mirror the GOP mainstream.
- mcraigw, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1It is an interesting video.... It doesn't tell me anything about his positions on any of the issues except for the statement "give peace a chance" which is repeated many times, but even that doesn't really tell me anything and could be interpreted in any way you like.
- slenderdog, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1So he really is qualified to be president after all.
- FatHed, on 11/29/2007, -7/+1That dude is an idiot.
Look up the National Initiative for Democracy crap, and think about it, perhaps read some history, and learn why it's retarded. - PersianCowboy, on 12/03/2007, -0/+2Go Mike! Kick their Ass!!!
- vide08, on 12/07/2007, -0/+1for those who don't know Mike: give him a chance
for the supporters: keep going
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