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Mike Gravel: Obama's Message is "Unadulterated *****"

yaledailynews.com — At a debate held at Yale University, Senator Gravel spoke of his plan to empower the people through the National Initiative (ni4d.us), and reaffirmed that he would stay in the race until Election Day. Gravel also criticized Obama for speaking of "fluff and tiddlywinks," and likened his message to "unadulterated *****."

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  • PeaceCzar, on 02/13/2008, -6/+13youtube DOT com/watch?v=mrNeiPy4bWY
  • 7Mystery, on 02/13/2008, -35/+10Mike Who? How many delegates does he have? None! I don't even think anyone voted for him hehe
    • TrevaLVF, on 02/13/2008, -6/+22That's because the Korporate media flat-out ignores him. This means, most Americans that rely on sources, like those talking heads with make up on their faces, for their information are likely to ask, "Mike who."
      • dshPls, on 02/13/2008, -17/+3No, it's because it's incredibly unpopular. Even Ron Paul has more delegates than this loser.
        • brad3378, on 02/29/2008, -0/+5Unpopular? Most people can't even recite the platform of a Frontrunner candidate let alone a candidate snubbed by the Mainstream Media
      • ncairns, on 02/13/2008, -10/+7"...Korporate media..."

        Jesus ***** Christ you kids, go back to reading your Kafka in the park where I don't have to listen to your tiresome sophisms.
    • SilentSpyder, on 02/14/2008, -1/+6If I had known he was still in the race I would have voted for him instead of Obama.
      • brad3378, on 02/21/2008, -1/+5So you voted without researching the candidates? No offense, but this seems typical for an Obama supporter.
  • benjaminj23, on 02/13/2008, -16/+17Awesome Gravel Quote. DIGG THIS!!!!!!
  • theuniversal, on 02/13/2008, -27/+26And Gravel's message sounds so un-***** doesn't it?: “If I’m president, I’ll only serve four years and I’ll spend them going around the country bullying people to become lawmakers,” he said, fighting back a cough. “And if they don’t, I will resign, because if they don’t care enough to become lawmakers and don’t vote to empower themselves, then I don’t care enough to be their leader.”

    Gravel's anger and his talk of love and peace don't match up for me. I think the guy is a fraud. The choice between Obama and Gravel is the choice between a real leader with some pragmatism pushing for more government transparency, and an angry and hypocritical conspiracy theorist. "Bullying people to become lawmakers" - like that's a good plan. LOL.
    • mempko, on 02/13/2008, -5/+24Gravel wants direct democracy (Real democracy) in this country which would push the government into transparency immediately if we want to. Obama has no real plan for change. What is funny is you are so brain washed by the media that it is not even funny. Real leader? What did Obama do in the senate? Anything? Anything at all? If Obama was a real leader, he would push for impeachment. We would have been out of the war by now. Gravel, when he was in the senate, released the Pentagon papers! Now that is a TRUE leader pushing for government transparency.
      • theuniversal, on 02/13/2008, -14/+7Look, Gravel is all talk with 0% chance of delivering anything. I think it's a fantasy to think we can go from where we are now to what Gravel wants with no steps in between. I prefer someone competent and pragmatic enough to make some improvements, and someone who can actually get enough people to support him. And, as I said, Gravel's bitterness and anger show through so I just don't buy that his 'peace and love' ***** is real.
        • Sgrimes, on 02/13/2008, -3/+16What the heck do you mean 0% chance of delivering anything? He filibustered BY HIMSELF for FIVE MONTHS! Alone! People back then critisized him - now they say he was brave, courageous. Mike is bitter and angry because the MSM and the DNC are completely ignoring him. You refuse to see him outside of debates and realize what a gentle, intelligent person he is. You refuse to see that he can SERIOUSLY change this country. Nothing is going to happen if we just let congress and our next president sit on their hands or twiddle their thumbs. We need someone who is going to get in there, clean ***** up, be tough, be powerful, and be steadfast in his resolves. Obama will do nothing. Come back to me in 4 years when we are still in Iraq, have invaded Iran and Syria and Pakistan, gone into further deficit, our economy is further in recession, Emperor Obama has closed the borders, liberties for LGBT citizens are gone....you come back to me then and tell me if you are proud of your vote. You come back to me and tell me that that the NI4D and the FairTax weren't necessary. I'll wait patiently and know all along that Mike is the RIGHT direction for our country.
          • duggreen, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2Nice post. At the very least, us Gravelutionists can be free of guilt. And, that's something that not even Obama supporters will have in a few years.
        • streak, on 02/13/2008, -3/+7Obama and clan are the ones in Fantasy Land. 18 months and out of Iraq? Obama is a johnny-come-lately to healthcare reform. He still believes smoking just 5, sometimes 10, cigarettes a day isn't a major addiction, yet he hasn't the fortitude to go cold turkey. Obama never voted against the Iraq war. He wasn't a senator until almost 2 years later. He had no vote, no constituents, no responsibility to anyone but himself, and no access to restricted government information. He's a pure opportunistic with less experience than George W. Bush.
        • duggreen, on 02/15/2008, -0/+3Wow, if Gravel can't deliver, then who can? No one even holds a candle to Mike in previous accomplishments, or personal fortitude.
      • brainboy77, on 02/13/2008, -6/+5you're an idiot if you think direct democracy will work in a country like the us. we can't even get a ***** delegate race right. gravel is all talk.
        • streak, on 02/13/2008, -2/+2Tsk, tsk. No need for name-calling. IMHO mempko is spot-on with his quips about Obama. Except that Obama's legislation wouldn't have us out of Iraq by now... it wouldn't be until next month. ROFL!!1!
          • ncairns, on 02/13/2008, -3/+2Does your Mommy know you're on the Internet?
          • streak, on 02/14/2008, -1/+2You've nothing better to contribute to the discussion than personal assaults? wow, just wow.
    • duggreen, on 02/13/2008, -5/+12Only young people see Gravel as being merely 'angry'. Older folks recognize a personality style that is far more game than aggressive. Too bad his qualities are lost on the young, he's by far the best candidate.
    • OneAndOnlySnob, on 02/13/2008, -6/+6The weird thing about Gravel is that he wants to abolish the IRS and replace it with a sales tax (FairTax). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure FairTax is pretty regressive. Aren't the democrats supposed to be against replacing our progressive tax with a regressive tax?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel#Political ...

      I still respect Gravel a lot, but that seems way outta left field for him.
      • postingbh, on 02/13/2008, -1/+3The FairTax isn't necessarily regressive because of the rebate system. But there are indirect effects of the FairTax that make it great for low income individuals. Primarily, the Fair Tax discourages illegal immigration. Illegal immigration hits low income families hard because it means fewer low income jobs are available to American citizens. Currently, many illegals don't pay any income tax, but with a fair tax, they too pay taxes. Additionally, those illegals wouldn't receive a tax rebate. So money earned illegally doesn't go nearly as far, which lowers illegal immigration and helps out low income families.
    • streak, on 02/13/2008, -8/+5I love it! He's not getting many votes, but Gravel is calling it like it is with Obama. At least somebody is raising real questions about the serious b.s. and empty platitudes from Obama. Obama is a johnny-come-lately to healthcare reform, having only recently begun to quit smoking (is he still on the patch?) Obama is an opportunist who was against the war at a time when he held no office, had no constituents, had no vote, and had no access to sensitive information whose access is restricted to sworn government officials. If Obama's senate legislation had been taken seriously by his colleagues, we would have been out of Iraq by next month (right!) If elected, Obama will have less experience than JFK -- even less than George W. Bush! -- when they took office. Look at JFK's accomplishments: the Peace Corps, the Bay of Pigs invasion, the Vietnam War. If elected, do you believe Obama will stop at the Presidency? There's a vacant seat for the next Caliph, as well.
  • Ragingcnu, on 02/13/2008, -11/+15He's cynical, sarcastic, unrefined, and a little creepy (if you saw any of his commercials...) but, to his credit, he said some smart and accurate stuff during his time on the debate scene. He's wrong about Obama here though, but I laughed when I heard him say it
    • mempko, on 02/13/2008, -3/+15He is not wrong about Obama. Look at what theuniversal said. Look at how wrong he is about Gravel. He thinks Obama is a real leader pushing for government transparency. He doesn't recognize that Gravel released the Pentagon papers alone with the threat of being put in jail. Isn't that a real leader pushing for government transparency? What exactly has Obama done in the senate for you?
      • pictureDIGGER, on 02/13/2008, -3/+10You won't get a reply. When they are stumped, they just ignore it. That is one problem with this entire country. Everybody thinks everybody else is wrong without thinking/researching.
        • PeaceCzar, on 02/13/2008, -3/+11You've hit the nail on the end. Whenever stumped by an objective truth or contradiction with a candidate's message, they return to the irrational, false promises of "hope".

          Obama, nor his supporters can quantify or back up what they're saying when the facts are laid bare. Instead they'll get huffy and tell people they're cynics. It's mass brainwashing, is what it is.
    • ParaSwarm, on 02/21/2008, -0/+2What commercials were creepy? The one where he stared into a camera? That wasn't a commercial; I don't know how many times I've had to clarify this for people who are too lazy to do some quick research, but it was a project done by two art students at a university. He's clarified this several times.
  • kyeot, on 02/13/2008, -8/+9Its funny because its true -- Homer Simpson
  • Gemfinder, on 02/13/2008, -17/+9Okay, this guy was in my Friends list...
    He ain't anymore.
    He can go barefoot.
  • mempko, on 02/13/2008, -16/+39It is official, Obama people are brain washed.
    Obama wants 100,000 more troops.
    Obama has no plan to get out of Iraq.
    Obama's health plan is not single payer.
    Obama has no solution for education, he think no child left behind is a good law with underfunding! Is he insane! No child left behind was designed to cut funding from schools. It is ironic that he would say that.

    Gravel has a 120 day plan to get out of Iraq.
    Gravel has a singer payer health plan.
    Gravel supports eliminating IRS and replacing the funding with a federal sales tax
    Gravel does not want to bomb IRAN (unlike all the useless rhetoric Obama gives about Iran).
    Gravel supports Democracy.
    Gravel supports our constitution.

    Do not dilute yourselves people. Obama represents change only skin deep. It is obscene how superficial he is, along with Hillary.
    Check out how close he is to the republicans
    http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

    • PeaceCzar, on 02/13/2008, -8/+11Thanks for recognizing the simple clarity and distinction between Obama and Gravel.

      If Obama stands for these types of policies, what "hope" am I supposed to feel?

      Very dangerous stuff.
      • rz8472, on 02/13/2008, -4/+3Ok, I admit that Obama's speeches aren't as substantive as the other candidates', but on the other hand effective rhetoric is usually inversely proportional to substance. You can visit his website to get all of his policy positions in detail. Several points to make -

        1. Obama wants to pull out of Iraq, one brigade at a time, in 12-16 months
        2. I actually don't like Obama's healthcare plan for not being single-payer, but it is better than Clinton's "mandatory coverage", which is just a huge giveaway to insurance companies, and it will be better than what we have now.
        3. One thing he has repeated said in his speeches was to emphasize extracurriculars and the arts more in education, rather than just standardized testing. Isn't that antithetical to NCLB?
        4. Obama has said that he is going to talk directly to Ahmadinejad. Unless "talk" = "bomb", I don't see what you're getting at.

        Politics is all about comprimise - Obama is a deeply flawed candidate just like the rest. But I also believe that he is the most progressive and most likely to win out of all the viable candidates; plus the prospect of a Democratic Reagan and shifting the entire political sphere a bit to the left sounds appealing.

        One thing about that political compass - almost ALL the EU countries, which all do have UHC and are generally a lot more liberal than the United States, are on the same "Authoritarian Right" sphere. Along with the major liberal Canadian and Australian parties as well - http://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

        I'd appreciate it if you stopped referring to us as cultists from now on, or else we'd have to summon Cthulthu to exact bloody vengeance. Just saying.
        • mempko, on 02/14/2008, -0/+7The fact that Obama wants to "Talk" to Ahmadinejad, yes. However in the context of Iran being a problem. What our next president has to do is apologize to Iran (Mike Gravel would) for making them suffer for over 30 years.

          Also he is not the most progressive. Look at your own source..

          http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

          Gravel is the most progressive. Vote on your principles man! Not who you think will win.
        • citydragon, on 02/16/2008, -0/+1What you refer to as progressive is actually a bad thing.
    • ncairns, on 02/13/2008, -9/+2With those kinds of lies and distortions I would've thought you were a Paulie!
      • sweetholymosiah, on 02/14/2008, -1/+5evidence of your accusation?
    • Terr01, on 02/14/2008, -2/+3"Singer payer health plan"? "Do not dilute yourselves"?

      Spell check didn't help there :P
      • mempko, on 02/14/2008, -0/+4Like many people in this country, I am not a native English speaker. Have fun with your assumptions.
  • duggreen, on 02/13/2008, -7/+29The saddest part is that most of Obama's supporters actually want what only Gravel can deliver.
    • Gabberwok, on 02/13/2008, -4/+2LSD?
      • duggreen, on 02/15/2008, -0/+7Yeah, Gravel is for legalization of all drugs.
    • brad3378, on 02/21/2008, -0/+3Obama supporters don't follow issues......they can only follow what the MSM feeds them....... As far as the Media is Concerned, Mike Gravel only exists on the Internet and that's Total *****. The Media's real job should be to remain objective & give equal time for all candidates...... Not just the ones who will buy the most advertising time. It's time to Boycott CNN and drop our subscriptions to Cable Television.
  • Happy_Phantom, on 02/13/2008, -3/+22Now if you could only have a Ron Paul/Mike Gravel independent ticket. That would be interesting.
    • PeaceCzar, on 02/13/2008, -1/+2How would you feel about a Gravel/Nader independent run? Paul will be busy defending his House seat, as is Kucinich, who had to drop unexpectedly, but for that very reason.

      petitiononline DOT com/granad08/petition.html
  • lOvOl, on 02/13/2008, -2/+13I don't agree with Mike Gravel on many issues, especially social issues, but he is absolutely 100% correct that our problems are only going to get worse until we have direct democracy.

    Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans (especially the older ones) have become so infantilized that they want their dear leaders in Washington to solve all their problems for them. The truth is, very few lawmakers and presidents are more than one standard deviation above average in terms of intelligence. The best ideas rarely come from telegenic personalities you see through the boob tube, rather they come from people of all walks of life.

    99% of the ideas by any given person (even the smartest people) are total crap. However, occasionally someone either just stumbles on a good idea or through pure trial and error figures out a good idea through deductive reasoning.

    Just like with Digg or Reddit, in direct democracy, the crap ideas get buried and the good ideas rise to the top. In representative government, you are depending upon lawmakers to be far more intelligent and creative than the rest of the citizenry which may have been partially true back in the days of the founding fathers, but is no longer true today.

    If America had direct democracy, our economy would explode and we would be untouchable by any nation on earth so long as they stuck with the archaic authoritarian and representative forms of government which no longer function in a world as advanced and as complex as the one we have today.

    Good governance today depends upon the input and collective wisdom of all, not the delusions of grandeur of a privileged few.
    • Gabberwok, on 02/13/2008, -2/+3So you're saying you would want our country to be run like Digg? Now that's horrifying...
    • armnpsycho, on 02/14/2008, -0/+4Your rant was amazing and very thoughtful. I wonder how you could spur such a change in the way lazy Americans deal with their government currently. I believe that Americans have the ability to stand up and prosper, but they have been coddled for too long.
    • roadcollector, on 02/17/2008, -0/+0I agree completly.....Very well stated!
  • poopdigger, on 02/13/2008, -10/+0idiot...
  • N3tw0rk, on 02/13/2008, -0/+2Mirror: http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/23498
  • corevette, on 02/13/2008, -1/+8i'm tired of the election this year
    and i'm happy to report, america is screwed no matter which candidate we choose...some worse than others
    don't give me that ***** that optimistic *****...
    -countries will still hate us
    -healthcare will never be adequate
    -our economy is/will continue to fall apart
    yet, people will still wine over social issues like they're important
    • citydragon, on 02/16/2008, -0/+2Depends on the social issue. Civil liberties for example..
  • anarchytv, on 02/14/2008, -4/+11Mike Gravel would royally kick some ass and turn this country around. Obama is just telling liberals what they want to hear to try and get elected. There's no ass kicking in him. And quite frankly, I'm sick of all the Obama/Paul spam that both candidates election commitees are throwing constantly at Digg... crafting it to looking like 'grass roots' support / enthusiasm.
  • foreignwarren, on 02/14/2008, -10/+2Ron Paul - Spam.... Obama - REAL grassroots support (seen the voter turnout???) Gravel - past his prime and off his meds....but I do like the guy...just not for President.
    • Tyvon2000, on 02/14/2008, -2/+6No, Paul has REAL grassroots support... just browse around youtube for his rallies and see all the people making Ron Paul signs because no one passes out machine-made signs like they do at the Obama rallies. In fact, Ron Paul supporters are censored at Obama rallies. And what about that fund raising?
  • lovnhomeschooln, on 02/14/2008, -1/+8We need someone with backbone as president. Gravel has that - as well as experience. He has shown time and again that he is a man of his word and that he CAN get things done. And he is the only candidate with the guts and desire to speak out against the Military Industrial Complex. He is also the only Dem. candidate left who will end the war. Oh, and he isn't afraid of showing his true colors and saying what he means - unlike the others. What you see with Mike is what you get and I am more comfortable with that than all the dancing around issues and non-answers that Obama constantly throws out. The only thing the voter turn-out proves is that Obama is good at bringing in his flocks of sheep and herding them around with false hope and non-existent solutions. And it also proves that the MIC and the MSM can convince people to vote for who they want them to vote for.
    Mike Gravel - Real Experience, Real Solutions
    Free America - Gravel '08!
  • greevar, on 02/17/2008, -1/+9A vote for Mike Gravel is a vote to end corporate personhood.
  • Ferre1, on 02/27/2008, -0/+1From my Dutch point of view, the only candidate I feel comfortable with is Mike Gravel. Although I am Dutch, I'm also known enough and with enough influence in certain circles to get Mike Gravel a couple of extra votes because of my endorcement. http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t= ...
  • Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -0/+1Error 404 - Page Not Found

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  • Fallout911, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1It's disgusting how the media buried Mike's message....
    After his sacrifices for all of us this is the way we repay the man.
    Mike's actions have moved me and I'm sure many others to his cause and in that he can rest assured that his voice will always be heard.

    “We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will.” - Chuck Palahniuk
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